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[[File:Impscale.jpg|500px|right|thumb|The Imperium of Man. Where's your [[Star Trek|Federation]] now?]] | [[File:Impscale.jpg|500px|right|thumb|The Imperium of Man. Where's your [[Star Trek|Federation]] now?]] | ||
'''Battlefleet Gothic''' is | '''Battlefleet Gothic''' is an out-of-production [[specialist game]] made by [[Games Workshop]], where players control fleets of spacecraft. | ||
It is set in the Gothic Sector, bordering the [[Eye of Terror]], where [[Abaddon]] has launched his Twelfth [[Black Crusade]] in order to obtain the Imperium's [[Blackstone Fortress]]es. <strike>Don't ask how the Tau are there; Warp storm or some shit should be all the hand wave you need.</strike> The rules for ships that are aligned with the [[Imperium_of_Man|Imperium]], [[Chaos]], [[Ork]], or [[Eldar]] ''and'' were present in the Gothic War are in the main rulebook. Rules for ships other than that were released later in other publications with rules for playing games ''not'' necessarily set in the Gothic Sector - the largest and most relevant of which is ''Battlefleet Gothic - Armada'', which contains rules for ships belonging to other major factions in [[Warhammer_40,000|40k]]. (Note that in ''Armada'' does not state that the factions, fleets and ships described were necessarily in the Gothic Sector, it is intended to expand the game to any void war in the whole 40k galaxy). | It is set in the Gothic Sector, bordering the [[Eye of Terror]], where [[Abaddon]] has launched his Twelfth [[Black Crusade]] in order to obtain the Imperium's [[Blackstone Fortress]]es. <strike>Don't ask how the Tau are there; Warp storm or some shit should be all the hand wave you need.</strike> The rules for ships that are aligned with the [[Imperium_of_Man|Imperium]], [[Chaos]], [[Ork]], or [[Eldar]] ''and'' were present in the Gothic War are in the main rulebook. Rules for ships other than that were released later in other publications with rules for playing games ''not'' necessarily set in the Gothic Sector - the largest and most relevant of which is ''Battlefleet Gothic - Armada'', which contains rules for ships belonging to other major factions in [[Warhammer_40,000|40k]]. (Note that in ''Armada'' it does not state that the factions, fleets and ships described were necessarily in the Gothic Sector, it is intended to expand the game to any void war in the whole 40k galaxy). | ||
Some people still think that BFG is one of the best or at least most fun games that GW have ever made. Particularly assuming you just ignore the [[Necrons]], and everyone playing | Some people still think that BFG is one of the best or at least most fun games that GW have ever made. Particularly assuming you just ignore the [[Necrons]], and everyone is playing competently, much fun can be had by all, doubly so when the optional limit on assault boats is used so that escorts are worth a fuck. Any game that encourages you to plow through the middle of the enemy so that you can shoot all your guns at once has got to be pretty good. Also, the flavor of the game is pretty fucking awesome actually, what with the various planet-demolishing shenanigans and just plain gorgeous rule book. | ||
Also, in the land of 30cm range weapon batteries, it used to be that the man with an unerring ability to guesstimate his Nova Cannons on target was king. Putting the 1cm hole onto a 3cm ship base at 100cm range and straight fucking up a cruiser is just beautiful, though of course that takes a fair amount of skill. Alternatively, this can be achieved by building your own board and making apparently random stars bigger and brighter and knowing the distances between them. | Also, in the land of 30cm range weapon batteries, it used to be that the man with an unerring ability to guesstimate his Nova Cannons on target was king. Putting the 1cm hole onto a 3cm ship base at 100cm range and straight fucking up a cruiser is just beautiful, though of course that takes a fair amount of skill. Alternatively, this can be achieved by building your own board and making apparently random stars bigger and brighter and knowing the distances between them. And then later rules revisions changed the Nova Cannon rules so that the template scattered instead of having to guess the distance to target (as part of the general change from "guess-range" weapons to scattering between 4th and 5th editions), rendering the whole thing moot. | ||
In general it is outclassed by Battlefleet Neoclassical due to its purposeful use of rich ornamentation, elegant arcades, isolated decorative elements, superior shielding and medium range arsenal. When compared to the geometric designs, smooth lines, sparing use of ornamentation, forward acceleration and missile and lance arsenal of Battlefleet Art Deco it is clearly outmatched. Can go toe to toe with Battlefleet Ultra Modernist despite its use of vast fleets of cheaply mass produced fighters, and typically can best Battlefleet Romanesque in a straight up shooting fight unless severely outnumbered. | In general it is outclassed by Battlefleet Neoclassical due to its purposeful use of rich ornamentation, elegant arcades, isolated decorative elements, superior shielding and medium range arsenal. When compared to the geometric designs, smooth lines, sparing use of ornamentation, forward acceleration and missile and lance arsenal of Battlefleet Art Deco it is clearly outmatched. Can go toe to toe with Battlefleet Ultra Modernist despite its use of vast fleets of cheaply mass produced fighters, and typically can best Battlefleet Romanesque in a straight up shooting fight unless severely outnumbered. Battlefleet Baroque was at one time rumored to be the next line of improved Gothic-class ships, until everyone determined that it was going to cost several quadrillions of credits just to rename the already existing ships without changing any hardware as not even the most ardent specialist transhuman mechanopriests were able to actually determine what was functionally different about the new ships compared to the old one. That said, whether or not a gunners' deck harpsichord would truly improve Imperial gunnery remains a point of heated debate to this day. | ||
Battlefleet Brutalist was a rush-job aimed at producing sturdy, striking miniatures with simple, blocky, robust structures. Ork fleets looked great, everything else looked hideous. | |||
==Factions== | ==Factions== | ||
===[[Imperial Navy|Imperial Navy]]=== | ===[[Imperial Navy|Imperial Navy]]=== | ||
Of course this wouldn't be a GW game without the [[Imperium]] being represented. | Of course this wouldn't be a GW game without the [[Imperium]] being represented. [[Imperial Navy]] ships look like giant fucking Vaticans with warp drives and cannons. It is rumored that in the lower decks there's like...villages of lost workers, but nobody gives a shit. According to the rule book they have massive fucking crews and apparently zero actual technology to move shells weighing hundreds of tons into gun breeches and such. The book shows slaves running on massive treadmills to move them about. Wouldn't your navy work better if you used like... machines or something? If only we had a bunch of crazy ass priests who are fucking insane about technology on board to sort that shit out for us! This probably had something to do with with the fluff being from 3rd edition, in which Grimdark levels were at their highest to the point of being [[Grimderp|retarded]]. | ||
In general, the Imperials are good at torpedoes and nova cannons and other stuff. They also have 6+ front armor, which isn't that big of a deal, but it's nice y'know. | In general, the Imperials are good at torpedoes and nova cannons and other stuff. They also have 6+ front armor, which isn't that big of a deal, but it's nice y'know. | ||
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The above statement fails to point out that the Imperial Navy is the most diverse fleet in the game, comprising of no less than six fleet lists and sports more cruiser classes, in every subtype, than any other fleet in the game. | The above statement fails to point out that the Imperial Navy is the most diverse fleet in the game, comprising of no less than six fleet lists and sports more cruiser classes, in every subtype, than any other fleet in the game. You can take Space Marine or some Chaos ships as reserves and sport up to four re-rolls (more than any other fleet - except [[Abaddon]] who gives one re-roll every turn, so really Chaos have more than any other fleet since there's usually more than four turns in a game). Nova cannons are so powerful that it is considered poor gamesmanship to take more than three in a tournament list (1500 points) while many even advocate to using the one-per-750-points restriction and most of your basic cruisers can be upgraded to carry them. The six up prow is a huge help since most hurt comes from the front, and it lets you take [[Awesome|power rams]], a nice but situational point filler. Your average range is 30 cm, and only two basic cruisers can push to 45. Your 60 cm weapons are few and far between. Nothing fancy, you are the baseline that is used by other factions to set out their niche. | ||
With all the options in the world, the biggest reason why the Navy fails to win many matches is that it is predictable by nature (hurr hurr, Imma fly at you while booming mah nova cannon, trying to fly between your lines to blast your arse off with both sides) and everyone and their pet otaku has a fleet. Easy to play, a real pain to master. | |||
On the other hand, its toolbox fleet approach means you’ll always have what you need. It’s up to you to make sure everything is where it needs when it needs to be. Pick a method you want to use to make the other side die and then build your fleet around supporting that method. Like, if you want to focus on charging face-first with torpedoes and ramming, make sure you have some interceptors to help protect you from dangerous shit flying at said face. If you want to hang back and blast away from a distance, add elements to your fleet that protect you from countermeasures while complementing your approach in the offense. | |||
In any case, the Imperial Navy is clearly intended to fight like angry Space Romans. So, get your power rams and assault boats ready! | |||
===[[Fleets of Chaos|Chaos]]=== | ===[[Fleets of Chaos|Chaos]]=== | ||
The [[Chaos]] fleet is pretty similar to the Imperial Navy, but emo'd up. | The [[Chaos]] fleet is pretty similar to the Imperial Navy, but emo'd up. They are a bit faster than their [[The God-Emperor of Mankind|corpse-god]] worshiping counterparts and have the largest selection of ships, making them superior to any other fleet (except sometimes Necrons) if correctly built. For various reasons, the Chaos ships look totally different from the Imperial ones, not just Imperial ones with tentacles and spikes and crap. They later made some ship that was supposed to be the 'old' Imperial ships that were bastard chimeras of both and they were ugly as all fuck and somewhat terrible, which raises the question of why the Chaos fleet is actually any good. | ||
The reasoning behind the different looks of the Chaos and Imperial fleets is due to building techniques changing. Older vessels are mostly "keel built", meaning they were built upward from their keel and thus have a low, wide look to them. Meanwhile newer ships are mostly "spine built", meaning that the dorsal spine was made first and thus they have a tall, thin look. Additionally, the more recent Imperial ships have been built or retrofitted with an armored prow, while the Chaos ships lack one to allow for more speed. It stands to reason that older Imperial ships would look like the Chaos ones (which is why reserve fleets use Chaos classes and models) and any new ships turning traitor would look like Imperials. | The reasoning behind the different looks of the Chaos and Imperial fleets is due to building techniques changing. Older vessels are mostly "keel built", meaning they were built upward from their keel and thus have a low, wide look to them. Meanwhile newer ships are mostly "spine built", meaning that the dorsal spine was made first and thus they have a tall, thin look. Additionally, the more recent Imperial ships have been built or retrofitted with an armored prow, while the Chaos ships lack one to allow for more speed. It stands to reason that older Imperial ships would look like the Chaos ones (which is why reserve fleets use Chaos classes and models) and any new ships turning traitor would look like Imperials. | ||
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Chaos sports the second most diverse fleet in the game with the second highest complexity and ship count. While they lack the strict durability and torpedo numbers of the Navy, they make up for it with absurd firepower, assault boats, better speed and overall better ships for fewer points. | Chaos sports the second most diverse fleet in the game with the second highest complexity and ship count. While they lack the strict durability and torpedo numbers of the Navy, they make up for it with absurd firepower, assault boats, better speed and overall better ships for fewer points. As a result they have some of the best ships, point per point, in the game. Your average range is 45 cm with lots of 60 cm options, and a few 30 cm options. They also have a pretty flexible set of upgrades, including putting [[Chaos Space Marines]] to improve leadership and boarding. | ||
Where Chaos suffers is their lack of durability to incoming fire and ordnance. | Where Chaos suffers is their lack of durability to incoming fire and ordnance. You quickly start missing that six-up armored prow after you watch your prized Repulsive grand cruiser get erased by a lucky round of fire. But that isn't much of a hindrance, because the only thing a 6+ prow is good for is ramming and eating torpedoes, and most of the time you're not plowing nose-first into the enemy lines anyway, and your side armour is precisely the same as corpse-god ships get. | ||
Also, Chaos ships can have Marks of Chaos, and daemon-possessed ships, and the [[Abaddon|planet killer]], and [[Exterminatus|activated blackstone fortresses]], which are [[Games Workshop|expensive]] in terms of points (750 apiece). | Also, Chaos ships can have Marks of Chaos, and daemon-possessed ships, with some options being such a cheese even Elfdar feel their pants getting soggy, and as centrepiece models you have the [[Abaddon|planet killer]], and [[Exterminatus|activated blackstone fortresses]], which are [[Games Workshop|expensive]] in terms of points (750 apiece) but can shoop da whoop an enemy ship or two off the table. It also has four god-specific lists that add up upgrades and unique ships, sometimes cheesy, sometimes outright rapey. Nothing beats the priceless look on your enemy's face when your Conqueror starts counting how much boarding action power it has. | ||
=== Necrons === | ===[[Necron Fleets|Necrons]]=== | ||
[[Necrons]] have like 5 different kinds of ship and according to fluff are fucking nasty to fight. | [[Necrons]] have like 5 different kinds of ship and according to fluff are fucking nasty to fight. They are also the most powerful fleet, and have light cruisers that can blow apart battleships without a scratch, due to having the only armor saves of the entire game (no joke here) and a shitton of close-ranged weapons, and anyone who thinks they're outrunning you in a straight line had better prepare the lube, thus being unkillable and murder incarnate; if you want to reenact the [[Star Trek|Battle of Wolf 359]], this is your go-to choice. The drawback is that Necron ships are worth way more victory points dead then they cost to put on the table; losing even one can quickly turn into an unrecoverable points deficit. But there is no defeating a Necron fleet that outnumbers you, not in the fluff, not in the game. They remain OP, but then again, they are like millions of years old and are the most advanced ships in the game so that sounds about right. | ||
===[[Eldar Space Fleet|Eldar]]=== | ===[[Eldar Space Fleet|Eldar]]=== | ||
[[Eldar]] ships look | [[Eldar]] ships (well, the corsair ones anyway) look suspiciously similar to the Minbari from [[Babylon 5]]. With only about six ships in the original rulebook, they were somewhat gimped from the get-go. They have shiny fields of awesome to protect them from lances and the like, but gun batteries fuck them up so hard it's retarded, particularly since they HAVE to dip into battery range to fire (the fields are basically naval-scale holofields which obscure the exact position of the Eldar ships, making them difficult to hit with pinpoint weapons, but doesn't help much against the "spam more dakka" approach to conventional battery gunnery). Also, the cruisers are so frail and lacking in firepower that they're worthless, so they're left with a fleet of escorts. While they're pretty fucking awesome for what they are, they melt when sneezed at, so the Eldar are pretty bad except in specific scenarios that let them abuse the fuck out of their movement rules. If the sunside edge is towards the enemy, you are fucked and there's just no reason to play. | ||
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Take the above, and add in that the Eldar sport the most powerful torpedoes in the game (with re-roll to hit, and only being hit by turrets on 6's, which is hands-down the best torpedo in the game. Even considering imperial Vortex torpedoes.) Also, their flyers are ridiculous, with re-rolls to hit, and 4+ SAVES for tiny fliers. | Take the above, and add in that the Eldar sport the most powerful torpedoes in the game (with re-roll to hit, and only being hit by turrets on 6's, which is hands-down the best torpedo in the game. Even considering imperial Vortex torpedoes.) Also, their flyers are ridiculous, with re-rolls to hit, and 4+ SAVES for tiny fliers. Also, they have weapons batteries that always get the full shots (unlike all other factions, which only get a fraction of their shots for the final rolling). And also, lances that can hit multiple times with a single lance shot. | ||
Also, they have weapons batteries that always get the full shots (unlike all other factions, which only get a fraction of their shots for the final rolling). And also, lances that can hit multiple times with a single lance shot. | |||
Then add in the super awesome Forge World Eldar cruisers, and the fact that the Eldar got a damn battleship in the second release, which has EVERYTHING the Eldar have for weapons. Ridiculous cannons. Powerful multi-hit lances. The nasty torpedoes. And the dangerous as fuck flyers. | Then add in the super awesome Forge World Eldar cruisers, and the fact that the Eldar got a damn battleship in the second release, which has EVERYTHING the Eldar have for weapons. Ridiculous cannons. Powerful multi-hit lances. The nasty torpedoes. And the dangerous as fuck flyers. | ||
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The buggers are nasty. Not negotiable. | The buggers are nasty. Not negotiable. | ||
Between this and canonical stuff like an Eldar Ghost Ship surviving a direct hit from an ancient Ark Mechanicus' secret Archeotech "Chrono Cannon" that apparently fires black holes (Emperor only knows what that weapon was originally designed to destroy back in Dark Age of Technology), and leaving only damaged as described at the end of the book Priest of Mars by [[Graham McNeill]]. Be prepared for some insane Eldar trickery when facing off against these skinny mother fuckers. | Between this and canonical stuff like an Eldar Ghost Ship surviving a direct hit from an ancient Ark Mechanicus' secret Archeotech "Chrono Cannon" (that is a very misleading way of describing what happened) that apparently fires black holes (Emperor only knows what that weapon was originally designed to destroy back in Dark Age of Technology), and leaving only damaged as described at the end of the book Priest of Mars by [[Graham McNeill]]. Although, it was crippled and the only reason it wasn’t destroyed is because the shot hit (or clipped) a fin instead of being a proper blow. Otherwise it’s existence would have explosively and literally deleted itself. Be prepared for some insane Eldar trickery when facing off against these skinny mother fuckers. | ||
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In the end the Eldar are a fun race but suffer badly from a case of lack of diversity which makes it hard for them to build a competent list with anything but as many Eldar hellbores and aconites as possible. | In the end the Eldar are a fun race but suffer badly from a case of lack of diversity which makes it hard for them to build a competent list with anything but as many Eldar hellbores and aconites as possible. | ||
=== Tau === | ===Tau=== | ||
The [[Tau]] have two choices of fleet. Their initial fleets were composed of refitted modular merchant ships and scout vessels. After getting their shit wrecked, they got together and finally built combat ships. Players have the option of the modular, adjustable, Merchant fleet (boxy) or the efficient, effective Combat fleet (sleek). None of the ships' names are | The [[Tau]] have two choices of fleet. Their initial fleets were composed of refitted modular merchant ships and scout vessels. After getting their shit wrecked, they got together and finally built combat ships. Players have the option of the modular, adjustable, Merchant fleet (boxy) or the efficient, effective Combat fleet (sleek). None of the ships' names are pronounceable. "to pronounce it correctly, I would have to cut out your tongue." | ||
The most effective Tau weapon is (surprise!) missiles. Meaning, torpedoes which can adjust speed and direction, which is unique for standard torpedoes in the game (there are guided torpedoes for the IN, but they can malfunction, and do not have the adjust speed gimmick). Other than that, They have starship-sized Ion cannons (lances) and massive railguns (macrobatteries). The other little gimmick they get is that their bomber flyer, the [[Manta]], gets a 4+ save, simply for being massive as fuck. | The most effective Tau weapon is (surprise!) missiles. Meaning, torpedoes which can adjust speed and direction, which is unique for standard torpedoes in the game (there are guided torpedoes for the IN, but they can malfunction, and do not have the adjust speed gimmick). Other than that, They have starship-sized Ion cannons (lances) and massive railguns (macrobatteries). The other little gimmick they get is that their bomber flyer, the [[Manta]], gets a 4+ save, simply for being massive as fuck. Extra bonus is the ability to get an aura that lets you turret more effectively and ignore the column shift of battery at long range. Though you still don't get the 60range guns and your firepower is below the waterline. | ||
Without using allies Tau fleets suffer horribly at the hands of Elfdar, Chaos and Necron foes. And if anyone gets to board you, you get your shit wrecked because your crew power is half of that of the basic enemy most of the time. | |||
Your "combat" fleet sacrifices a lot for that tasty 90 sharp turn, being even less effective than your blocky cruisers of merchant fleet, getting even more assraped by Chaos, Elfdar and Necron, but they get the lances, so they are not as prone to one-sided ownage at the hands of 6-armour-all-around marines, though you go below the average in terms of air superiority and torpedo power when you start building combat-fleet instead of merchant-fleet, so try mixing them for best results, keeping your 6-hitpoint protectors squadroned behind beefier hero class to avoid sudden cripples. | |||
=== Tyranids=== | ===[[Ork Fleets|Orks]]=== | ||
The [[Orks]] look like the most fun to paint <span style="color:#33aa33;">DAT'S TROO, DA ORKSES HAVE DA BEST SHIPS COZ DEYZ A PROPA COLOUR, NOT LIKE DEM UMIES....'EY BOSS, WHYZ DEM 'UMIE SHIPS DAT COLOUR? DEM 'UMIES AIN'T SURPOSED TER BE LIKE DAT, DEY MENT TER BE ALL PINK AN SOFT, NOT GREEN LIKE US ORKSES...WAAAGH!!!...</span> , their ships are ramshackle at best and if you used gum instead of super glue to make them it would probably be more thematically accurate... and gross. In theory their random strength heavy batteries are pretty cool, it turns out that random translates alternately into 'pathetically ineffective whenever it's important' and 'did exactly what any other weapon system would have done' inside the game. However, fleets of ram ships are pretty awesome, because nothing is funnier than ramming the shit out of people. | |||
===Dark Eldar=== | |||
The [[Dark Eldar]] are like the [[Eldar]] up to eleven, except you have no battleships. You are pretty much the epitome of glass cannon in this game, you hit hard and move ridiculously fast but if the enemy gets so much as a mean look your way you spontaneously combust. You have exactly two ship choices (a cruiser and an escort), rarely a good sign, although their ships have fully customisable weapon loadouts (unlike most other factions, where each ship has fixed armaments with maybe a couple of options). Funny enough, your maneuverability is HORRIBLY worse than that of elfdar. You don't get 180' turns and an extra move in ordnance phase, you can just come to new bearing super-effectively. | |||
===Tyranids=== | |||
[[Tyranids]] are extremely deadly at close range, all ships besides the Hive Ship are expendable in the extreme, reasonably durable, and ridiculously deadly at boarding. But oh man are you fucked if your Hive Ship bites the dust. Also everyone who plays them just uses 'nid bits to scratch build their fleet. Unfortunately, the hive mind rules mean that a Tyranid player can only control one or 2 ships every turn. The other ships are forced to use an Instinctive Behavior algorithm that acts like basic programming for the ship (although in all likelihood this is what you were going to do anyway). This effectively means that a Tyranid player doesn't actually get to make decisions for his fleet most of the time. | [[Tyranids]] are extremely deadly at close range, all ships besides the Hive Ship are expendable in the extreme, reasonably durable, and ridiculously deadly at boarding. But oh man are you fucked if your Hive Ship bites the dust. Also everyone who plays them just uses 'nid bits to scratch build their fleet. Unfortunately, the hive mind rules mean that a Tyranid player can only control one or 2 ships every turn. The other ships are forced to use an Instinctive Behavior algorithm that acts like basic programming for the ship (although in all likelihood this is what you were going to do anyway). This effectively means that a Tyranid player doesn't actually get to make decisions for his fleet most of the time. | ||
'''Alternate View''' Well the control of the ships is based on the number of consecutive successful | '''Alternate View''' | ||
Well the control of the ships is based on the number of consecutive successful Leadership tests. So have a lucky hand with Ld9 and nothing to worry. Even if you don't, the wonderful Instinctive Behavior will probably guide your ships towards your enemies... or the next planet... | |||
But with that said, bear in mind that the hive has a huge fleet with an incredible amount of ships. Your amount of escorts alone exceeds other fleets by 3 or 4 usually. The bio-enhancements can make them pricey, but not all are needed, since only your super short-ranged battery gunnery (which is Tyranid space-puke basically) and your ability to EAT enemy ships will secure you victory. They come in numbers. Bodies over Bullets! In a huge scale... | But with that said, bear in mind that the hive has a huge fleet with an incredible amount of ships. Your amount of escorts alone exceeds other fleets by 3 or 4 usually. The bio-enhancements can make them pricey, but not all are needed, since only your super short-ranged battery gunnery (which is Tyranid space-puke basically) and your ability to EAT enemy ships will secure you victory. They come in numbers. Bodies over Bullets! In a huge scale... | ||
=== Space Marines === | ===[[Space Marine Fleets|Space Marines]]=== | ||
The [[Space Marines]] are essentially the Imperium's mighty glaciers. Just like their ground pounders, except apparently the chapter serfs defend the ship and operate everything. | The [[Space Marines]] are essentially the Imperium's mighty glaciers. Just like their ground pounders, except apparently the chapter serfs defend the ship and operate everything. They have armor like the Necrons do, on the two ships that aren't just Imperial escorts with a new paint job (you do know that SM have their own escorts?*). Those armored ships also have very powerful short-ranged bombardment cannons that are good, but thankfully aren't common enough to be broken. They excel at boarding and going toe-to-toe with the enemy, like everywhere else. They do this by regular boarding (where they get pretty big bonuses), hit-and-run raids by [[Thunderhawk]] (which serve as fighter and assault boat at the same time, while also having a 4+ save due to, you know, big armour and stuff. surprise!), or by simply shooting squads of Marines across space into the other ship (e.g., boarding torpedoes). They also can do [[Terminator]] teleport attacks when they are close enough. Much hurt to be had. | ||
*After the initial release, which intended that you pay a bit extra to get regular Imperial escort ships with space marine crew, GW released models for actual specific SM escort-class ships. Those looked incredibly goofy, pretty much like beat-up bananas, and the crappy white-ish paintjob they had for the GW site were not really helping either. FW then decided to be awesome, and released better kits for them, which were absolutely beautiful. | *After the initial release, which intended that you pay a bit extra to get regular Imperial escort ships with space marine crew, GW released models for actual specific SM escort-class ships. Those looked incredibly goofy, pretty much like beat-up bananas, and the crappy white-ish paintjob they had for the GW site were not really helping either. FW then decided to be awesome, and released better kits for them, which were absolutely beautiful. | ||
=== Adeptus Mechanicus === | ===Adeptus Mechanicus=== | ||
The [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] are pretty much the Imperial ace custom squadron. | The [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] are pretty much the Imperial ace custom squadron. They operate Imperial Navy vessels with a shiny paint job and upgrades (offset by higher prices and/or downgrades). Apparently, they use servitor slaves instead of human slaves, and occasionally use auto-loaders. Progress! Get an Explorator ship, which is like an Imperial Capital ship but shinier and goofier. Your crews are techpriests and servitors, so you get better repairs but your shit gets wrecked by boarding action quite heavily. Maybe they should Blood Ravens themselves some Secutarii. | ||
== Homebrew rules == | To show off his abilities Archmagos Zibbit installs better turrets on every ship out there (extra lulzy considering you can roll for area support turret on some ship(s)) and your cruisers get a shiny lance dorsal turret to mess up the Chaos lovers day. You also get to ride the magnificent pimp ride known as Ark Mechanicus, basically a wet dream of every imperial out there, a souped-up Retribution battleship with nova cannon, best upgrades Mechanicus has to offer and a pricetag that feels awkwardly low for that amount of awesome in one place. The only downside? It is the only battleship that doesn't get the mandatory +1 turret that imperials would get if taken as AdMech ships, having a general 4-turret value that can be overcome with enough bombers. So a simple Retribution in AdMech list is pretty much immune to bombers and can hardly ever get torpedo damage, while the shiny pimp wagon can get hurt. | ||
As mentioned above one of the best ways to make the game more enjoyable is to limit the number of fighters, bombers, and assault boats allowed. | |||
All in all the best way of playing imperials in a campaign is Adeptus Mechanicus, because you can refit that refit-cruiser after being refitted for rolling a high leadership. | |||
==Homebrew rules== | |||
As mentioned above one of the best ways to make the game more enjoyable is to limit the number of fighters, bombers, and assault boats allowed. This limits the maximum number of these craft to not exceed the number of hangar bays available on the capital ships, rather than the original treatment of the hangars like nonstop factories (which encouraged building up truly gigantic waves of fighters and bombers on your end of the table before sending them across all at once). This prevents the game from devolving into something resembling the sky over the Pacific circa 1945. Not that there's anything wrong with that mind, but it's not Battlefleet Gothic. | |||
While it may be regarded as optional, the rule limiting attack craft numbers to not exceed number of launch bays in the fleet ''was'' included in the last set of rules for BFG, so it isn't really a homebrew thing any more. Still, feel free to allow the 'nonstop factories' variant in your games, since it's quite lulzy to play. | While it may be regarded as optional, the rule limiting attack craft numbers to not exceed number of launch bays in the fleet ''was'' included in the last set of rules for BFG, so it isn't really a homebrew thing any more. Still, feel free to allow the 'nonstop factories' variant in your games, since it's quite lulzy to play. | ||
==[[/v/|Vidyagaem]] [[Battlefleet Gothic: Armada]] == | To make up for lance weapons being over-the-top better choice compared to weapon batteries, a homebrew rule can be introduced as well. Just make lance weaponry suffer -1 to hit rolls if the target still has shields up. After all, lore-wise lances do have issues with void shields, and it has more than one instance where it's explicitly stated to be the reason ordnance boats are to be paired with lance-boats and most ship designs having both weapon types. | ||
Homebrew missions are also a thing, because GeeDubs fails at making missions that don't favor one side too much, and random generation of terrain takes up a shitton of times. | |||
Some projects, like Battlefleet Gothic:Revised, or just BFG:R, tried to reduce the copious amounts of books required to play it, and even reduce the balance inconsistencies. BF:XR took up the undertaking, but sadly the desire to keep the original rulebook intact is a major hindrance to any attempts to balance the game, no matter how much pointcosts are tweaked. Still, if one seeks to play the game it's handy just because the rulebook incorporates all the fixes of 2010 FAQ had. | |||
There's also [[Pirate lords of 40k]] that expand on the boarding battles via Kill Teams style. | |||
==[[/v/|Vidyagaem]] [[Battlefleet Gothic: Armada]]== | |||
[http://www.pcgamer.com/battlefleet-gothic-armada-announced/ Someone has decided that it is a good idea to make it a videogame (And it damn well is). IT'S HAPPENING.] | [http://www.pcgamer.com/battlefleet-gothic-armada-announced/ Someone has decided that it is a good idea to make it a videogame (And it damn well is). IT'S HAPPENING.] | ||
And it looks awesome, including Marks of Chaos from the FOUR gods, also pre-order will include the Space Marine and Tau fleets (which are also included with the game if you buy it in the first 2 months after release, so you can benefit from reviews of the finished product and not have to pay extra for them down the road) and a nice 10 percent discount, and we are working in the [[Battlefleet Gothic Armada]] article as it is in its opening beta, meanwhile watch the trailer: | And it looks awesome, including Marks of Chaos from the FOUR gods, also pre-order will include the Space Marine and Tau fleets (which are also included with the game if you buy it in the first 2 months after release, so you can benefit from reviews of the finished product and not have to pay extra for them down the road) and a nice 10 percent discount, and we are working in the [[Battlefleet Gothic Armada]] article as it is in its opening beta, meanwhile watch the trailer: | ||
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Fast forward 2 years, the announcement for a sequel are out with a whole lot more factions to it. The first trailer looks pretty awesome. The second trailer is even better. | Fast forward 2 years, the announcement for a sequel are out with a whole lot more factions to it. The first trailer looks pretty awesome. The second trailer is even better. | ||
== External Links == | ==External Links== | ||
* <strike>[http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/landingArmy.jsp?catId=cat480005a&rootCatGameStyle=specialist-games Battlefleet Gothic] on [[Games Workshop]]'s website -- look under "resources" for the rules.</strike> Dead because GeeDubs routinely purges their website. | * <strike>[http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/landingArmy.jsp?catId=cat480005a&rootCatGameStyle=specialist-games Battlefleet Gothic] on [[Games Workshop]]'s website -- look under "resources" for the rules.</strike> Dead because GeeDubs routinely purges their website. | ||
* [https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0Bw_dULEfC3rbYzUyNjQzZTAtMDZiMS00ZjRlLWJjNzMtYTE5YmNjZjdjODQ1/edit Battlefleet Gothic 2010 Compendium], a set of updates made by a bunch of community members who worked with [[Specialist Games]] before GW axed it. | * [https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0Bw_dULEfC3rbYzUyNjQzZTAtMDZiMS00ZjRlLWJjNzMtYTE5YmNjZjdjODQ1/edit Battlefleet Gothic 2010 Compendium], a set of updates made by a bunch of community members who worked with [[Specialist Games]] before GW axed it. It includes updates and FAQs to the main rules and all official fleets, plus new fleets for the Imperium (including the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]], the [[Inquisition]], and [[Rogue Trader]]s), the forces of [[Chaos]], the [[Eldar]], the [[Ork]]s, and the [[Tau]]. You can also get the whole compendium as a complete book [http://www.darkreign.org/sites/default/files/BFG%20FAQ%202010_0.pdf/ from DarkReign]. (dead link) | ||
* [http://afterimagedan.blogspot.com/2012/10/battlefleet-gothicrevised.html Battlefleet Gothic: Revised], an effort to rebuild BFG from the ground up. | * [http://afterimagedan.blogspot.com/2012/10/battlefleet-gothicrevised.html Battlefleet Gothic: Revised], an effort to rebuild BFG from the ground up. The original coordinator retired from the project in July 2012 (which is a shame, since he had [http://www.battlefleetgothicrevised.com/ a slick dev blog]), but development is continuing actively at the [http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?board=7.0 Specialist-Arms forum]. | ||
* [http://yenlowang.free.fr/warhammer-forum/BFG/BFG_-_Additional_Ships_Compendium_1.4.pdf Battlefleet Gothic Additional Ships Compendium] | * [http://yenlowang.free.fr/warhammer-forum/BFG/BFG_-_Additional_Ships_Compendium_1.4.pdf Battlefleet Gothic Additional Ships Compendium] | ||
* [https:// | * [https://rr30k.com/the-battlefleet-heresy-compendium/?fbclid=IwAR30z2AIjp1nrfoFgT_1ysl040FVEMj2dVj0GD5jmSjN_Kizc4zDUN3YL-o Battlefleet Heresy] A ridiculously thorough home-brew by the Remembrancers' Retreat podcast out of Richmond, VA for playing BFG set in the Heresy years. Rules for each of the Legions, as well as Imperial Army and Mechanicum. Currently in its fourth edition, compiled in a red-book-esq pdf. | ||
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[[Category:Warhammer 40,000]][[Category:Battlefleet Gothic]] | [[Category:Warhammer 40,000]][[Category:Battlefleet Gothic]] |
Latest revision as of 17:24, 17 June 2023
Battlefleet Gothic is an out-of-production specialist game made by Games Workshop, where players control fleets of spacecraft.
It is set in the Gothic Sector, bordering the Eye of Terror, where Abaddon has launched his Twelfth Black Crusade in order to obtain the Imperium's Blackstone Fortresses. Don't ask how the Tau are there; Warp storm or some shit should be all the hand wave you need. The rules for ships that are aligned with the Imperium, Chaos, Ork, or Eldar and were present in the Gothic War are in the main rulebook. Rules for ships other than that were released later in other publications with rules for playing games not necessarily set in the Gothic Sector - the largest and most relevant of which is Battlefleet Gothic - Armada, which contains rules for ships belonging to other major factions in 40k. (Note that in Armada it does not state that the factions, fleets and ships described were necessarily in the Gothic Sector, it is intended to expand the game to any void war in the whole 40k galaxy).
Some people still think that BFG is one of the best or at least most fun games that GW have ever made. Particularly assuming you just ignore the Necrons, and everyone is playing competently, much fun can be had by all, doubly so when the optional limit on assault boats is used so that escorts are worth a fuck. Any game that encourages you to plow through the middle of the enemy so that you can shoot all your guns at once has got to be pretty good. Also, the flavor of the game is pretty fucking awesome actually, what with the various planet-demolishing shenanigans and just plain gorgeous rule book.
Also, in the land of 30cm range weapon batteries, it used to be that the man with an unerring ability to guesstimate his Nova Cannons on target was king. Putting the 1cm hole onto a 3cm ship base at 100cm range and straight fucking up a cruiser is just beautiful, though of course that takes a fair amount of skill. Alternatively, this can be achieved by building your own board and making apparently random stars bigger and brighter and knowing the distances between them. And then later rules revisions changed the Nova Cannon rules so that the template scattered instead of having to guess the distance to target (as part of the general change from "guess-range" weapons to scattering between 4th and 5th editions), rendering the whole thing moot.
In general it is outclassed by Battlefleet Neoclassical due to its purposeful use of rich ornamentation, elegant arcades, isolated decorative elements, superior shielding and medium range arsenal. When compared to the geometric designs, smooth lines, sparing use of ornamentation, forward acceleration and missile and lance arsenal of Battlefleet Art Deco it is clearly outmatched. Can go toe to toe with Battlefleet Ultra Modernist despite its use of vast fleets of cheaply mass produced fighters, and typically can best Battlefleet Romanesque in a straight up shooting fight unless severely outnumbered. Battlefleet Baroque was at one time rumored to be the next line of improved Gothic-class ships, until everyone determined that it was going to cost several quadrillions of credits just to rename the already existing ships without changing any hardware as not even the most ardent specialist transhuman mechanopriests were able to actually determine what was functionally different about the new ships compared to the old one. That said, whether or not a gunners' deck harpsichord would truly improve Imperial gunnery remains a point of heated debate to this day.
Battlefleet Brutalist was a rush-job aimed at producing sturdy, striking miniatures with simple, blocky, robust structures. Ork fleets looked great, everything else looked hideous.
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Of course this wouldn't be a GW game without the Imperium being represented. Imperial Navy ships look like giant fucking Vaticans with warp drives and cannons. It is rumored that in the lower decks there's like...villages of lost workers, but nobody gives a shit. According to the rule book they have massive fucking crews and apparently zero actual technology to move shells weighing hundreds of tons into gun breeches and such. The book shows slaves running on massive treadmills to move them about. Wouldn't your navy work better if you used like... machines or something? If only we had a bunch of crazy ass priests who are fucking insane about technology on board to sort that shit out for us! This probably had something to do with with the fluff being from 3rd edition, in which Grimdark levels were at their highest to the point of being retarded.
In general, the Imperials are good at torpedoes and nova cannons and other stuff. They also have 6+ front armor, which isn't that big of a deal, but it's nice y'know.
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The above statement fails to point out that the Imperial Navy is the most diverse fleet in the game, comprising of no less than six fleet lists and sports more cruiser classes, in every subtype, than any other fleet in the game. You can take Space Marine or some Chaos ships as reserves and sport up to four re-rolls (more than any other fleet - except Abaddon who gives one re-roll every turn, so really Chaos have more than any other fleet since there's usually more than four turns in a game). Nova cannons are so powerful that it is considered poor gamesmanship to take more than three in a tournament list (1500 points) while many even advocate to using the one-per-750-points restriction and most of your basic cruisers can be upgraded to carry them. The six up prow is a huge help since most hurt comes from the front, and it lets you take power rams, a nice but situational point filler. Your average range is 30 cm, and only two basic cruisers can push to 45. Your 60 cm weapons are few and far between. Nothing fancy, you are the baseline that is used by other factions to set out their niche.
With all the options in the world, the biggest reason why the Navy fails to win many matches is that it is predictable by nature (hurr hurr, Imma fly at you while booming mah nova cannon, trying to fly between your lines to blast your arse off with both sides) and everyone and their pet otaku has a fleet. Easy to play, a real pain to master.
On the other hand, its toolbox fleet approach means you’ll always have what you need. It’s up to you to make sure everything is where it needs when it needs to be. Pick a method you want to use to make the other side die and then build your fleet around supporting that method. Like, if you want to focus on charging face-first with torpedoes and ramming, make sure you have some interceptors to help protect you from dangerous shit flying at said face. If you want to hang back and blast away from a distance, add elements to your fleet that protect you from countermeasures while complementing your approach in the offense.
In any case, the Imperial Navy is clearly intended to fight like angry Space Romans. So, get your power rams and assault boats ready!
Chaos[edit]
The Chaos fleet is pretty similar to the Imperial Navy, but emo'd up. They are a bit faster than their corpse-god worshiping counterparts and have the largest selection of ships, making them superior to any other fleet (except sometimes Necrons) if correctly built. For various reasons, the Chaos ships look totally different from the Imperial ones, not just Imperial ones with tentacles and spikes and crap. They later made some ship that was supposed to be the 'old' Imperial ships that were bastard chimeras of both and they were ugly as all fuck and somewhat terrible, which raises the question of why the Chaos fleet is actually any good.
The reasoning behind the different looks of the Chaos and Imperial fleets is due to building techniques changing. Older vessels are mostly "keel built", meaning they were built upward from their keel and thus have a low, wide look to them. Meanwhile newer ships are mostly "spine built", meaning that the dorsal spine was made first and thus they have a tall, thin look. Additionally, the more recent Imperial ships have been built or retrofitted with an armored prow, while the Chaos ships lack one to allow for more speed. It stands to reason that older Imperial ships would look like the Chaos ones (which is why reserve fleets use Chaos classes and models) and any new ships turning traitor would look like Imperials.
Chaos is good at having MOAR DAKKA on their ships, and using their speed to rock balls.
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Chaos sports the second most diverse fleet in the game with the second highest complexity and ship count. While they lack the strict durability and torpedo numbers of the Navy, they make up for it with absurd firepower, assault boats, better speed and overall better ships for fewer points. As a result they have some of the best ships, point per point, in the game. Your average range is 45 cm with lots of 60 cm options, and a few 30 cm options. They also have a pretty flexible set of upgrades, including putting Chaos Space Marines to improve leadership and boarding.
Where Chaos suffers is their lack of durability to incoming fire and ordnance. You quickly start missing that six-up armored prow after you watch your prized Repulsive grand cruiser get erased by a lucky round of fire. But that isn't much of a hindrance, because the only thing a 6+ prow is good for is ramming and eating torpedoes, and most of the time you're not plowing nose-first into the enemy lines anyway, and your side armour is precisely the same as corpse-god ships get.
Also, Chaos ships can have Marks of Chaos, and daemon-possessed ships, with some options being such a cheese even Elfdar feel their pants getting soggy, and as centrepiece models you have the planet killer, and activated blackstone fortresses, which are expensive in terms of points (750 apiece) but can shoop da whoop an enemy ship or two off the table. It also has four god-specific lists that add up upgrades and unique ships, sometimes cheesy, sometimes outright rapey. Nothing beats the priceless look on your enemy's face when your Conqueror starts counting how much boarding action power it has.
Necrons[edit]
Necrons have like 5 different kinds of ship and according to fluff are fucking nasty to fight. They are also the most powerful fleet, and have light cruisers that can blow apart battleships without a scratch, due to having the only armor saves of the entire game (no joke here) and a shitton of close-ranged weapons, and anyone who thinks they're outrunning you in a straight line had better prepare the lube, thus being unkillable and murder incarnate; if you want to reenact the Battle of Wolf 359, this is your go-to choice. The drawback is that Necron ships are worth way more victory points dead then they cost to put on the table; losing even one can quickly turn into an unrecoverable points deficit. But there is no defeating a Necron fleet that outnumbers you, not in the fluff, not in the game. They remain OP, but then again, they are like millions of years old and are the most advanced ships in the game so that sounds about right.
Eldar[edit]
Eldar ships (well, the corsair ones anyway) look suspiciously similar to the Minbari from Babylon 5. With only about six ships in the original rulebook, they were somewhat gimped from the get-go. They have shiny fields of awesome to protect them from lances and the like, but gun batteries fuck them up so hard it's retarded, particularly since they HAVE to dip into battery range to fire (the fields are basically naval-scale holofields which obscure the exact position of the Eldar ships, making them difficult to hit with pinpoint weapons, but doesn't help much against the "spam more dakka" approach to conventional battery gunnery). Also, the cruisers are so frail and lacking in firepower that they're worthless, so they're left with a fleet of escorts. While they're pretty fucking awesome for what they are, they melt when sneezed at, so the Eldar are pretty bad except in specific scenarios that let them abuse the fuck out of their movement rules. If the sunside edge is towards the enemy, you are fucked and there's just no reason to play.
Alternate View
Take the above, and add in that the Eldar sport the most powerful torpedoes in the game (with re-roll to hit, and only being hit by turrets on 6's, which is hands-down the best torpedo in the game. Even considering imperial Vortex torpedoes.) Also, their flyers are ridiculous, with re-rolls to hit, and 4+ SAVES for tiny fliers. Also, they have weapons batteries that always get the full shots (unlike all other factions, which only get a fraction of their shots for the final rolling). And also, lances that can hit multiple times with a single lance shot.
Then add in the super awesome Forge World Eldar cruisers, and the fact that the Eldar got a damn battleship in the second release, which has EVERYTHING the Eldar have for weapons. Ridiculous cannons. Powerful multi-hit lances. The nasty torpedoes. And the dangerous as fuck flyers.
To sum it up: Eldar are, together with the Necrons, the best fleets in the game. And this is said by a BFG veteran who does not even play Eldar.
The buggers are nasty. Not negotiable.
Between this and canonical stuff like an Eldar Ghost Ship surviving a direct hit from an ancient Ark Mechanicus' secret Archeotech "Chrono Cannon" (that is a very misleading way of describing what happened) that apparently fires black holes (Emperor only knows what that weapon was originally designed to destroy back in Dark Age of Technology), and leaving only damaged as described at the end of the book Priest of Mars by Graham McNeill. Although, it was crippled and the only reason it wasn’t destroyed is because the shot hit (or clipped) a fin instead of being a proper blow. Otherwise it’s existence would have explosively and literally deleted itself. Be prepared for some insane Eldar trickery when facing off against these skinny mother fuckers.
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As strong as their torpedoes and planes are they suffer a huge problem when building a fleet, originally there were only 6 Eldar ships , this has since been improved but practically your only choice to play the amazing torpedoes is in a half dead spasticated escort and you have to bring an entire 250 point cruiser which will fuck you over as it dies within a turn of coming into range of seeing the enemy even with your fun ordnance moves.
In the end the Eldar are a fun race but suffer badly from a case of lack of diversity which makes it hard for them to build a competent list with anything but as many Eldar hellbores and aconites as possible.
Tau[edit]
The Tau have two choices of fleet. Their initial fleets were composed of refitted modular merchant ships and scout vessels. After getting their shit wrecked, they got together and finally built combat ships. Players have the option of the modular, adjustable, Merchant fleet (boxy) or the efficient, effective Combat fleet (sleek). None of the ships' names are pronounceable. "to pronounce it correctly, I would have to cut out your tongue."
The most effective Tau weapon is (surprise!) missiles. Meaning, torpedoes which can adjust speed and direction, which is unique for standard torpedoes in the game (there are guided torpedoes for the IN, but they can malfunction, and do not have the adjust speed gimmick). Other than that, They have starship-sized Ion cannons (lances) and massive railguns (macrobatteries). The other little gimmick they get is that their bomber flyer, the Manta, gets a 4+ save, simply for being massive as fuck. Extra bonus is the ability to get an aura that lets you turret more effectively and ignore the column shift of battery at long range. Though you still don't get the 60range guns and your firepower is below the waterline.
Without using allies Tau fleets suffer horribly at the hands of Elfdar, Chaos and Necron foes. And if anyone gets to board you, you get your shit wrecked because your crew power is half of that of the basic enemy most of the time.
Your "combat" fleet sacrifices a lot for that tasty 90 sharp turn, being even less effective than your blocky cruisers of merchant fleet, getting even more assraped by Chaos, Elfdar and Necron, but they get the lances, so they are not as prone to one-sided ownage at the hands of 6-armour-all-around marines, though you go below the average in terms of air superiority and torpedo power when you start building combat-fleet instead of merchant-fleet, so try mixing them for best results, keeping your 6-hitpoint protectors squadroned behind beefier hero class to avoid sudden cripples.
Orks[edit]
The Orks look like the most fun to paint DAT'S TROO, DA ORKSES HAVE DA BEST SHIPS COZ DEYZ A PROPA COLOUR, NOT LIKE DEM UMIES....'EY BOSS, WHYZ DEM 'UMIE SHIPS DAT COLOUR? DEM 'UMIES AIN'T SURPOSED TER BE LIKE DAT, DEY MENT TER BE ALL PINK AN SOFT, NOT GREEN LIKE US ORKSES...WAAAGH!!!... , their ships are ramshackle at best and if you used gum instead of super glue to make them it would probably be more thematically accurate... and gross. In theory their random strength heavy batteries are pretty cool, it turns out that random translates alternately into 'pathetically ineffective whenever it's important' and 'did exactly what any other weapon system would have done' inside the game. However, fleets of ram ships are pretty awesome, because nothing is funnier than ramming the shit out of people.
Dark Eldar[edit]
The Dark Eldar are like the Eldar up to eleven, except you have no battleships. You are pretty much the epitome of glass cannon in this game, you hit hard and move ridiculously fast but if the enemy gets so much as a mean look your way you spontaneously combust. You have exactly two ship choices (a cruiser and an escort), rarely a good sign, although their ships have fully customisable weapon loadouts (unlike most other factions, where each ship has fixed armaments with maybe a couple of options). Funny enough, your maneuverability is HORRIBLY worse than that of elfdar. You don't get 180' turns and an extra move in ordnance phase, you can just come to new bearing super-effectively.
Tyranids[edit]
Tyranids are extremely deadly at close range, all ships besides the Hive Ship are expendable in the extreme, reasonably durable, and ridiculously deadly at boarding. But oh man are you fucked if your Hive Ship bites the dust. Also everyone who plays them just uses 'nid bits to scratch build their fleet. Unfortunately, the hive mind rules mean that a Tyranid player can only control one or 2 ships every turn. The other ships are forced to use an Instinctive Behavior algorithm that acts like basic programming for the ship (although in all likelihood this is what you were going to do anyway). This effectively means that a Tyranid player doesn't actually get to make decisions for his fleet most of the time.
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Well the control of the ships is based on the number of consecutive successful Leadership tests. So have a lucky hand with Ld9 and nothing to worry. Even if you don't, the wonderful Instinctive Behavior will probably guide your ships towards your enemies... or the next planet...
But with that said, bear in mind that the hive has a huge fleet with an incredible amount of ships. Your amount of escorts alone exceeds other fleets by 3 or 4 usually. The bio-enhancements can make them pricey, but not all are needed, since only your super short-ranged battery gunnery (which is Tyranid space-puke basically) and your ability to EAT enemy ships will secure you victory. They come in numbers. Bodies over Bullets! In a huge scale...
Space Marines[edit]
The Space Marines are essentially the Imperium's mighty glaciers. Just like their ground pounders, except apparently the chapter serfs defend the ship and operate everything. They have armor like the Necrons do, on the two ships that aren't just Imperial escorts with a new paint job (you do know that SM have their own escorts?*). Those armored ships also have very powerful short-ranged bombardment cannons that are good, but thankfully aren't common enough to be broken. They excel at boarding and going toe-to-toe with the enemy, like everywhere else. They do this by regular boarding (where they get pretty big bonuses), hit-and-run raids by Thunderhawk (which serve as fighter and assault boat at the same time, while also having a 4+ save due to, you know, big armour and stuff. surprise!), or by simply shooting squads of Marines across space into the other ship (e.g., boarding torpedoes). They also can do Terminator teleport attacks when they are close enough. Much hurt to be had.
- After the initial release, which intended that you pay a bit extra to get regular Imperial escort ships with space marine crew, GW released models for actual specific SM escort-class ships. Those looked incredibly goofy, pretty much like beat-up bananas, and the crappy white-ish paintjob they had for the GW site were not really helping either. FW then decided to be awesome, and released better kits for them, which were absolutely beautiful.
Adeptus Mechanicus[edit]
The Adeptus Mechanicus are pretty much the Imperial ace custom squadron. They operate Imperial Navy vessels with a shiny paint job and upgrades (offset by higher prices and/or downgrades). Apparently, they use servitor slaves instead of human slaves, and occasionally use auto-loaders. Progress! Get an Explorator ship, which is like an Imperial Capital ship but shinier and goofier. Your crews are techpriests and servitors, so you get better repairs but your shit gets wrecked by boarding action quite heavily. Maybe they should Blood Ravens themselves some Secutarii.
To show off his abilities Archmagos Zibbit installs better turrets on every ship out there (extra lulzy considering you can roll for area support turret on some ship(s)) and your cruisers get a shiny lance dorsal turret to mess up the Chaos lovers day. You also get to ride the magnificent pimp ride known as Ark Mechanicus, basically a wet dream of every imperial out there, a souped-up Retribution battleship with nova cannon, best upgrades Mechanicus has to offer and a pricetag that feels awkwardly low for that amount of awesome in one place. The only downside? It is the only battleship that doesn't get the mandatory +1 turret that imperials would get if taken as AdMech ships, having a general 4-turret value that can be overcome with enough bombers. So a simple Retribution in AdMech list is pretty much immune to bombers and can hardly ever get torpedo damage, while the shiny pimp wagon can get hurt.
All in all the best way of playing imperials in a campaign is Adeptus Mechanicus, because you can refit that refit-cruiser after being refitted for rolling a high leadership.
Homebrew rules[edit]
As mentioned above one of the best ways to make the game more enjoyable is to limit the number of fighters, bombers, and assault boats allowed. This limits the maximum number of these craft to not exceed the number of hangar bays available on the capital ships, rather than the original treatment of the hangars like nonstop factories (which encouraged building up truly gigantic waves of fighters and bombers on your end of the table before sending them across all at once). This prevents the game from devolving into something resembling the sky over the Pacific circa 1945. Not that there's anything wrong with that mind, but it's not Battlefleet Gothic.
While it may be regarded as optional, the rule limiting attack craft numbers to not exceed number of launch bays in the fleet was included in the last set of rules for BFG, so it isn't really a homebrew thing any more. Still, feel free to allow the 'nonstop factories' variant in your games, since it's quite lulzy to play.
To make up for lance weapons being over-the-top better choice compared to weapon batteries, a homebrew rule can be introduced as well. Just make lance weaponry suffer -1 to hit rolls if the target still has shields up. After all, lore-wise lances do have issues with void shields, and it has more than one instance where it's explicitly stated to be the reason ordnance boats are to be paired with lance-boats and most ship designs having both weapon types.
Homebrew missions are also a thing, because GeeDubs fails at making missions that don't favor one side too much, and random generation of terrain takes up a shitton of times.
Some projects, like Battlefleet Gothic:Revised, or just BFG:R, tried to reduce the copious amounts of books required to play it, and even reduce the balance inconsistencies. BF:XR took up the undertaking, but sadly the desire to keep the original rulebook intact is a major hindrance to any attempts to balance the game, no matter how much pointcosts are tweaked. Still, if one seeks to play the game it's handy just because the rulebook incorporates all the fixes of 2010 FAQ had.
There's also Pirate lords of 40k that expand on the boarding battles via Kill Teams style.
Vidyagaem Battlefleet Gothic: Armada[edit]
Someone has decided that it is a good idea to make it a videogame (And it damn well is). IT'S HAPPENING. And it looks awesome, including Marks of Chaos from the FOUR gods, also pre-order will include the Space Marine and Tau fleets (which are also included with the game if you buy it in the first 2 months after release, so you can benefit from reviews of the finished product and not have to pay extra for them down the road) and a nice 10 percent discount, and we are working in the Battlefleet Gothic Armada article as it is in its opening beta, meanwhile watch the trailer:
- Gameplay trailer
- Narrative trailer, featuring, of course, FAILBADDON THE (H)ARMLESS!
- The official website
- The launch trailer.
Fast forward 2 years, the announcement for a sequel are out with a whole lot more factions to it. The first trailer looks pretty awesome. The second trailer is even better.
External Links[edit]
Battlefleet Gothic on Games Workshop's website -- look under "resources" for the rules.Dead because GeeDubs routinely purges their website.- Battlefleet Gothic 2010 Compendium, a set of updates made by a bunch of community members who worked with Specialist Games before GW axed it. It includes updates and FAQs to the main rules and all official fleets, plus new fleets for the Imperium (including the Adeptus Mechanicus, the Inquisition, and Rogue Traders), the forces of Chaos, the Eldar, the Orks, and the Tau. You can also get the whole compendium as a complete book from DarkReign. (dead link)
- Battlefleet Gothic: Revised, an effort to rebuild BFG from the ground up. The original coordinator retired from the project in July 2012 (which is a shame, since he had a slick dev blog), but development is continuing actively at the Specialist-Arms forum.
- Battlefleet Gothic Additional Ships Compendium
- Battlefleet Heresy A ridiculously thorough home-brew by the Remembrancers' Retreat podcast out of Richmond, VA for playing BFG set in the Heresy years. Rules for each of the Legions, as well as Imperial Army and Mechanicum. Currently in its fourth edition, compiled in a red-book-esq pdf.