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(And risk of mass extinction event? Nope, as the official Q&A in the link denied such thing.) |
("many fans find the Chief God far more sympathetic than the Monster Lord", "many fans want to comfort her rather than see her lose" <- 'many fans'? Huh... And "doesn't really work as a villain"? Why nead 'really-working-villian' in such genre?) |
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So what's the problem? | So what's the problem? | ||
Well, while everyone more or less likes the entries themselves, the setting around them is pure [[skub]], built on a mixture of fetishized [[rape]] and the sort of unintentional [[grimdark]] only a [[/d/M]] [[Magical Realm|building a world entirely for his penis to the exclusion of all other cocks]] could create. That didn't stop it from getting an english-translated hardcover first volume printed thanks to [[Life With Monstergirls|this | Well, while everyone more or less likes the entries themselves, the setting around them is pure [[skub]], built on a mixture of fetishized [[rape]] and the sort of unintentional [[grimdark]] only a [[/d/M]] [[Magical Realm|building a world entirely for his penis to the exclusion of all other cocks]] could create. That didn't stop it from getting an english-translated hardcover first volume printed thanks to [[Life With Monstergirls|this]]. The first encyclopedia is written from the perspective of a human. The second one is written by Saphirette Spherica, a formerly human monster girl. | ||
==The Setting== | ==The Setting== | ||
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==The Factions== | ==The Factions== | ||
===Monster Lord=== | ===Monster Lord=== | ||
The aforementioned Big Chief Succubus, her human husband, their daughters, and pretty much every | The aforementioned Big Chief Succubus, her human husband, their daughters, and pretty much every mamono in the world. Want to bring about peace between humans and monsters by making human man/monstergirl relationships the norm of the world. To be fair, though, the vast majority of "normal" mamono don't really have a lot of ideological indoctrination so much as help her goals by trying to find someone to slip 'em the d - the Monster Lord basically leeches off of their "mamono mana", which increases when they fuck, to boost her own strength. | ||
Thanks to [[Mary Sue|blatant creator favoritism]], the Monster Lord has so many ludicrously-overblown advantages piled up on her side it's honestly more incredible she hasn't instantly won the conflict seconds after starting it. And the fact that her ideal world would look like ''Brave New World'' as run by a particularly sick combination of [[Nurgle]] and [[Slaanesh]] is something of a turn-off for a lot of readers. Seriously, go read [[Chakat|this page]], mentally find+replace all the furry stuff with this-setting stuff, and see how accurate all the descriptions still are. | Thanks to [[Mary Sue|blatant creator favoritism]], the Monster Lord has so many ludicrously-overblown advantages piled up on her side it's honestly more incredible she hasn't instantly won the conflict seconds after starting it. And the fact that her ideal world would look like ''Brave New World'' as run by a particularly sick combination of [[Nurgle]] and [[Slaanesh]] is something of a turn-off for a lot of readers. Seriously, go read [[Chakat|this page]], mentally find+replace all the furry stuff with this-setting stuff, and see how accurate all the descriptions still are. | ||
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====Zipangu==== | ====Zipangu==== | ||
The | The Japan of the setting, not technically loyal to the Monster Lord but still held up as the shining example of what she wants to achieve, with humans and monstergirls living together relatively peacefully, though often with monsters dominating humanity in the bargain. Often a source of various Eastern versions of already-released mamono. | ||
====The Land of Mists==== | ====The Land of Mists==== | ||
Like Zipangu, only | Like Zipangu, only Chinese instead of Japanese. | ||
===Pandemonium=== | ====Pandemonium==== | ||
A faction operating out of a timeless demiplane. Allied to | A faction operating out of a timeless demiplane. Allied to another god called "the Fallen God", they're basically extremists on the Monster Lord's plan who seek to convert men and women to go to a dimension (Pandemonium) that consists essentially of one eternal, never-ending orgy. KC only made three profiles for this faction - the Dark Angel, Dark Valkyries and the Dark Priest - and often doesn't touch it for ages between profiles. Since they have their own dimension, they aren't all that interested in altering the rest of the world, instead seeking converts to leave with them for Pandemonium. | ||
===The Gods=== | ===The Gods=== | ||
The original masters of the world, led by a Chief God, who was gravely injured by the Monster Lord and her husband while trying to kill them both to stop their plans | The original masters of the world, led by a Chief God, who was gravely injured by the Monster Lord and her husband while trying to kill them both to stop their plans. | ||
The original Chief God created humans, but for an unknown reason was worried about their numbers. So they created monsters to slaughter humans in sufficient numbers to cull them before eventually creating the program of the Heroes and the Monster Lord: the Heroes get empowered when humans are too weak to disrupt the monsters' attack by killing their demigod leader, the Monster Lord, throwing monsterkind into disarray so that humanity has time to recover, and then eventually a new Monster Lord rises up and starts the same shit over again. Said Chief God also forced the other gods to get in on this - Poseidon supports the new Monster Lord because she's sick of having to kill people with tidal waves, storms, and sea monster attacks. | |||
Currently split between those who support the Monster Lord's plan and those who support the Chief God in trying to slay the Monster Lord and return things to the original cycle. Mentioned goddesses in the first faction include Poseidon, Eros, Ares, and Dionysus. Hilariously, [[Derp|the english translations refer to every single god thus far as a goddess, and most of them are named after a deity that was originally male,]] though the Japanese text refers to them using gender neutral pronouns which is slightly less odd. | |||
What if the Chief God wins, then all those sexy monstergirls? They immediately revert back to being hideous monsters, and the mamono mindset of "love humans" will be forced to return to "kill humans" and most monsters will not be able to resist it. So a Chief God victory means restarting the original cycle, and anyone who has a mamono lover, is going to wind up being '''killed and eaten by his wife'''. And it's plain and explicit ''fact'', straight from KC. | |||
KC has put out that it's officially fact that the Chief God will accept nothing less than the restoration of the old cycle, and doing so will result in countless grisly deaths as every former-mamono reverts to a man-eating monster and devours her spouse. | |||
====The Order==== | ====The Order==== | ||
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==(Unintentional) Grimdarkness== | ==(Unintentional) Grimdarkness== | ||
<s>Think the new Monster Lord is any better? Only if you don't mind the fact that she's bungling her job, and so mamono have swapped "kill and eat humans" for "kidnap and rape" humans. Or the fact her stated goal is to drive human women ''extinct'' so human men have to marry monstergirls, and so she is actively seeking to convert (physically and mentally transform) all women into mamono. To say nothing of the fact that, because the Monster Lord and new Chief God are fighting, a side-effect is that mamono can only birth more mamono, rather than mamono daughters and human sons as per her preferred endgame. So, potentially, the Monster Lord could cause '''a fucking extinction event''' if she doesn't sort something out before there are no human women left and all the human men are dead of old age. And she's not slowing down on the "convert all human women into mamono" front anytime soon, by the way.</s> This threat was officially denied by KC since he stated that the Monster Lord's plan will eventually succeed. [https://ask.fm/k_cross/answers/127378863701 *] | <s>Think the new Monster Lord is any better? Only if you don't mind the fact that she's bungling her job, and so mamono have swapped "kill and eat humans" for "kidnap and rape" humans. Or the fact her stated goal is to drive human women ''extinct'' so human men have to marry monstergirls, and so she is actively seeking to convert (physically and mentally transform) all women into mamono. To say nothing of the fact that, because the Monster Lord and new Chief God are fighting, a side-effect is that mamono can only birth more mamono, rather than mamono daughters and human sons as per her preferred endgame. So, potentially, the Monster Lord could cause '''a fucking extinction event''' if she doesn't sort something out before there are no human women left and all the human men are dead of old age. And she's not slowing down on the "convert all human women into mamono" front anytime soon, by the way.</s> This threat was officially denied by KC since he stated that the Monster Lord's plan will eventually succeed. [https://ask.fm/k_cross/answers/127378863701 *] | ||
Kenkou Cross | According to Kenkou Cross, the english encyclopedia descriptions were in fact grossly exaggerating both the nymphomania of the monstergirls and the intentions of the Monster Lord - the unintended grimdarkness was in fact the product of shoddy translation work. As a result, he made MGE wiki to cease hosting shoddy translated versions of his material when they refused to ban anyone espousing those interpretations, and only lets other sites host them on the condition that they prevent anyone from voicing their unhappy opinions. | ||
He also likes to argue that the "blame" lies squarely on his Western fandom, since they don't get the overworked-Japanese-salaryman mindset that apparently makes his setting such a paradise. It hasn't worked because, really, when you get right down to brass tacks, his [[Butthurt|little tantrum]] boils down to the DM failing to understand why anyone ''wouldn't'' want to enter his [[magical realm]] unless there was something wrong with them, compounded with the fact that letting his penis do all the thinking blinded him to the unintentional grimdarkness he was putting in without even realizing it. So if he didn't want it to be grimdark, he shouldn't have written himself into a corner where grimdarkness was the only logical explanation for how everything was still working. Though, admittedly, his attitude wasn't helped by anti-fans sending him hate-mail and death threats. | He also likes to argue that the "blame" lies squarely on his Western fandom, since they don't get the overworked-Japanese-salaryman mindset that apparently makes his setting such a paradise. It hasn't worked because, really, when you get right down to brass tacks, his [[Butthurt|little tantrum]] boils down to the DM failing to understand why anyone ''wouldn't'' want to enter his [[magical realm]] unless there was something wrong with them, compounded with the fact that letting his penis do all the thinking blinded him to the unintentional grimdarkness he was putting in without even realizing it. So if he didn't want it to be grimdark, he shouldn't have written himself into a corner where grimdarkness was the only logical explanation for how everything was still working. Though, admittedly, his attitude wasn't helped by anti-fans sending him hate-mail and death threats. | ||
"All The Tropes Wiki" (an unofficial archive of TvTropes that hosts all the PROMOTIONS the advertising companies threw a shitfit over) theorizes the grimdark is actually intentional after all, a sort of saccharine-flavored crapsack world where the glass is only half full (as opposed to Warhammer 40k where the glass is half empty with holes drilled along the bottom). It's not a nice place to live, rape and kidnapping are so common on the frontiers almost everyone is desensitized to it, and roving packs of [[Amazon]]s and [[Drow|Dark Elf]] slavers aren't sugarcoated at all... but there's plenty of people living decent lives and there's still plenty of ways things can get better. | "All The Tropes Wiki" (an unofficial archive of TvTropes that hosts all the PROMOTIONS the advertising companies threw a shitfit over) theorizes the grimdark is actually intentional after all, a sort of saccharine-flavored crapsack world where the glass is only half full (as opposed to Warhammer 40k where the glass is half empty with holes drilled along the bottom). It's not a nice place to live, rape and kidnapping are so common on the frontiers almost everyone is desensitized to it, and roving packs of [[Amazon]]s and [[Drow|Dark Elf]] slavers aren't sugarcoated at all... but there's plenty of people living decent lives and there's still plenty of ways things can get better. | ||
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* [https://ask.fm/k_cross/answers/114716374101 The Order and the Chief God will never have victory against mamono.] | * [https://ask.fm/k_cross/answers/114716374101 The Order and the Chief God will never have victory against mamono.] | ||
* [https://ask.fm/k_cross/answers/127378863701 During the 'current' generation of human&mamono, it is certain that the mamonos will be able to give birth to Incubi, thus meaning that the Monster Lord's plan will eventually succeed.] | * [https://ask.fm/k_cross/answers/127378863701 During the 'current' generation of human&mamono, in imminent future, it is certain that the mamonos will be able to give birth to Incubi, thus meaning that the Monster Lord's plan will eventually succeed.] | ||
* [https://ask.fm/k_cross/answers/117249680981 Even after completely defeating the Chief God, the Monster lord will not execute the Chief God.] | |||
==For more information...== | ==For more information...== |
Revision as of 05:46, 22 February 2018
This article contains PROMOTIONS! Don't say we didn't warn you. |
This article or section is about Monstergirls (or a monster that is frequently depicted as a Monstergirl), something that /tg/ widely considers to be the purest form of awesome. Expect PROMOTIONS! and /d/elight in equal measure, often with drawfaggotry or writefaggotry to match. |
The Monster Girl Encyclopedia is a NSFW encylopedia fleshing out a setting of monstergirls written and impressively illustrated by Japanese hentai creator Kenkou Cross. The artwork is great (if somewhat contentious in content). Some of the premises are as interesting as they are "enjoyable".
So what's the problem?
Well, while everyone more or less likes the entries themselves, the setting around them is pure skub, built on a mixture of fetishized rape and the sort of unintentional grimdark only a /d/M building a world entirely for his penis to the exclusion of all other cocks could create. That didn't stop it from getting an english-translated hardcover first volume printed thanks to this. The first encyclopedia is written from the perspective of a human. The second one is written by Saphirette Spherica, a formerly human monster girl.
The Setting
A brief summary is pretty simple. A Succubus has become Monster Lord, god-like ruler of all monsters. Taking the throne for herself, the Succubus has enacted a plan to bring about her vision of peace upon the world: transforming all monsters into lusty monstergirls, known in universe as mamono, and setting them out to score themselves human husbands. Peace through mutually-ensured copulation, you might say. She even convinces the Hero who is sent to slay her to join her in her rebellion against the Chief God and become her husband.
The Factions
Monster Lord
The aforementioned Big Chief Succubus, her human husband, their daughters, and pretty much every mamono in the world. Want to bring about peace between humans and monsters by making human man/monstergirl relationships the norm of the world. To be fair, though, the vast majority of "normal" mamono don't really have a lot of ideological indoctrination so much as help her goals by trying to find someone to slip 'em the d - the Monster Lord basically leeches off of their "mamono mana", which increases when they fuck, to boost her own strength.
Thanks to blatant creator favoritism, the Monster Lord has so many ludicrously-overblown advantages piled up on her side it's honestly more incredible she hasn't instantly won the conflict seconds after starting it. And the fact that her ideal world would look like Brave New World as run by a particularly sick combination of Nurgle and Slaanesh is something of a turn-off for a lot of readers. Seriously, go read this page, mentally find+replace all the furry stuff with this-setting stuff, and see how accurate all the descriptions still are.
Part of her eventual endgame involves causing monsters to have male incubus children, in addition to their own female offspring. Again, most monsters have no interest in actively conquering human lands so complete assimilation of humans into the "new humanity consisting of incubi and monster girls" will, probably, take a while. It's been a few centuries now and things are still in a relative stalemate, though every once in a while something dramatic happens, especially since lately one of her daughters, Derulla, has taken it upon herself to probe the human kingdoms for weak links, and has already destroyed the nation of Lescatier by exploiting its internal flaws.
Sabbath
A sub-faction under the Monster Lord's banner, led by baphomet mamono and primarily staffed by cults of witches, many of whom joined for "eternal youth" without reading the side effects too closely. This group is comprised entirely of loli mamono and is dedicated to spreading lolidom (in both senses of the word) over the world. Or, in other words, they want to convert women into loli mamono, convert non-loli mamono into loli form, and convert human men into "Big Brothers" (lolicons). They're the monster's primary source of R&D for various weird and sexy inventions. While each branch of the Sabbath is run by a baphomet, the organization as a whole is led by the strongest baphomet of all. This same baphomet also leads the Mamono Lord's army and holds considerable influence in the world of monsters. Surprisingly she is noted to still be single, perhaps because baphomet normally only marry men who can beat them in battle, but more-probably so the lolicons in the audience can still hold onto hope of tappin' dat semi-jailbait ass.
Zipangu
The Japan of the setting, not technically loyal to the Monster Lord but still held up as the shining example of what she wants to achieve, with humans and monstergirls living together relatively peacefully, though often with monsters dominating humanity in the bargain. Often a source of various Eastern versions of already-released mamono.
The Land of Mists
Like Zipangu, only Chinese instead of Japanese.
Pandemonium
A faction operating out of a timeless demiplane. Allied to another god called "the Fallen God", they're basically extremists on the Monster Lord's plan who seek to convert men and women to go to a dimension (Pandemonium) that consists essentially of one eternal, never-ending orgy. KC only made three profiles for this faction - the Dark Angel, Dark Valkyries and the Dark Priest - and often doesn't touch it for ages between profiles. Since they have their own dimension, they aren't all that interested in altering the rest of the world, instead seeking converts to leave with them for Pandemonium.
The Gods
The original masters of the world, led by a Chief God, who was gravely injured by the Monster Lord and her husband while trying to kill them both to stop their plans.
The original Chief God created humans, but for an unknown reason was worried about their numbers. So they created monsters to slaughter humans in sufficient numbers to cull them before eventually creating the program of the Heroes and the Monster Lord: the Heroes get empowered when humans are too weak to disrupt the monsters' attack by killing their demigod leader, the Monster Lord, throwing monsterkind into disarray so that humanity has time to recover, and then eventually a new Monster Lord rises up and starts the same shit over again. Said Chief God also forced the other gods to get in on this - Poseidon supports the new Monster Lord because she's sick of having to kill people with tidal waves, storms, and sea monster attacks.
Currently split between those who support the Monster Lord's plan and those who support the Chief God in trying to slay the Monster Lord and return things to the original cycle. Mentioned goddesses in the first faction include Poseidon, Eros, Ares, and Dionysus. Hilariously, the english translations refer to every single god thus far as a goddess, and most of them are named after a deity that was originally male, though the Japanese text refers to them using gender neutral pronouns which is slightly less odd.
What if the Chief God wins, then all those sexy monstergirls? They immediately revert back to being hideous monsters, and the mamono mindset of "love humans" will be forced to return to "kill humans" and most monsters will not be able to resist it. So a Chief God victory means restarting the original cycle, and anyone who has a mamono lover, is going to wind up being killed and eaten by his wife. And it's plain and explicit fact, straight from KC.
KC has put out that it's officially fact that the Chief God will accept nothing less than the restoration of the old cycle, and doing so will result in countless grisly deaths as every former-mamono reverts to a man-eating monster and devours her spouse.
The Order
The chief religion of the setting and a fairly standard weeaboo take on Medieval semi-Christianity. Dedicated to the Chief God first and foremost, their duty is to ensure humanity lives safe, moral lives. To this end, they train divinely-empowered Heroes to go out and fight monsters. It's kind of unclear if they don't know that the new Monster Lord wants to end the cycle, or if they do know and are deliberately lying to general people so they still believe that all mamono want to kill and eat them.
A lot of fans like to portray them as essentially a fantasy take on the Imperium of Man, but, really, that particular interpretation doesn't hold much water. If nothing else they aren't racist, having been on excellent terms with a number of non-human races before current events left humankind alone. Shit, settings material outright states that monsters are always happy when the Order comes crusadin', because it means they're about to enjoy the fantasy equivalent of a massive speed dating party. Due to the very nature of their teachings, the Order's men are such good people that most of them can't bring themselves to actually hurt a mamono when they meet one. Consequently, mamono consider Order men damn fine husbando material, and are eager to capture and "convert" them when they show up.
There are Order soldiers and heroes who will kill monsters readily of course, but given monsters will still fight and even kill to defend themselves it's dangerous work. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on one's perspective), the goddess of war protects both side of the war, and getting killed in battle is rare, so lots of beaten knights just end up getting convinced "the hard way."
(Unintentional) Grimdarkness
Think the new Monster Lord is any better? Only if you don't mind the fact that she's bungling her job, and so mamono have swapped "kill and eat humans" for "kidnap and rape" humans. Or the fact her stated goal is to drive human women extinct so human men have to marry monstergirls, and so she is actively seeking to convert (physically and mentally transform) all women into mamono. To say nothing of the fact that, because the Monster Lord and new Chief God are fighting, a side-effect is that mamono can only birth more mamono, rather than mamono daughters and human sons as per her preferred endgame. So, potentially, the Monster Lord could cause a fucking extinction event if she doesn't sort something out before there are no human women left and all the human men are dead of old age. And she's not slowing down on the "convert all human women into mamono" front anytime soon, by the way. This threat was officially denied by KC since he stated that the Monster Lord's plan will eventually succeed. *
According to Kenkou Cross, the english encyclopedia descriptions were in fact grossly exaggerating both the nymphomania of the monstergirls and the intentions of the Monster Lord - the unintended grimdarkness was in fact the product of shoddy translation work. As a result, he made MGE wiki to cease hosting shoddy translated versions of his material when they refused to ban anyone espousing those interpretations, and only lets other sites host them on the condition that they prevent anyone from voicing their unhappy opinions.
He also likes to argue that the "blame" lies squarely on his Western fandom, since they don't get the overworked-Japanese-salaryman mindset that apparently makes his setting such a paradise. It hasn't worked because, really, when you get right down to brass tacks, his little tantrum boils down to the DM failing to understand why anyone wouldn't want to enter his magical realm unless there was something wrong with them, compounded with the fact that letting his penis do all the thinking blinded him to the unintentional grimdarkness he was putting in without even realizing it. So if he didn't want it to be grimdark, he shouldn't have written himself into a corner where grimdarkness was the only logical explanation for how everything was still working. Though, admittedly, his attitude wasn't helped by anti-fans sending him hate-mail and death threats.
"All The Tropes Wiki" (an unofficial archive of TvTropes that hosts all the PROMOTIONS the advertising companies threw a shitfit over) theorizes the grimdark is actually intentional after all, a sort of saccharine-flavored crapsack world where the glass is only half full (as opposed to Warhammer 40k where the glass is half empty with holes drilled along the bottom). It's not a nice place to live, rape and kidnapping are so common on the frontiers almost everyone is desensitized to it, and roving packs of Amazons and Dark Elf slavers aren't sugarcoated at all... but there's plenty of people living decent lives and there's still plenty of ways things can get better.
Future of Monster Girl Encyclopedia world
In Kenkou Cross's Q&A site, there's some Q&As which briefly hinting out the future of Monster Girl Encyclopedia world.
- The Order and the Chief God will never have victory against mamono.
- During the 'current' generation of human&mamono, in imminent future, it is certain that the mamonos will be able to give birth to Incubi, thus meaning that the Monster Lord's plan will eventually succeed.
- Even after completely defeating the Chief God, the Monster lord will not execute the Chief God.
For more information...
What? You're still here? You wanna know about the monstergirls we keep insisting prop the whole thing up?
So Why Is This Here?
You may be asking just why this page is here, and what possible relevance it has to /tg/. Well, there's a couple of reasons.
Firstly, /tg/ loves monstergirls, plain and simple - and for all its many faults, the MGE is a widely recognized and well-detailed MG setting which both has consistently appealing artwork and does not shit it up with some of the more hardcore /d/ fetishes, like vore. Whilst the MGE's setting could definitely be better, it could very, very easily be a lot worse than it is.
Secondly, ever so often, a thread pops up on /tg/ about adapting the setting in some way. If it's not anons asking how they can stat up a given mamono race as either PCs or NPCs, it's a thread asking how you might rework the setting for use in running your own campaigns, or even a simple "your last character/party gets dumped into the MGE world; what happens?" idle chatter-thread.
/tg/ Races
Being a Monstergirl Fantasy World, it's natural that a lot of the entries in the Encyclopedia correspond to various races and monsters present in more mainstream works.
- Amazon
- Angel
- Basilisk
- Beholder
- Catfolk
- Centaur
- Chimera
- Cockatrice
- Cyclops
- Demon
- Dhampir
- Doppelganger
- Dragon
- Drider
- Dryad
- Dwarf
- Elemental
- Elf
- Fairy
- Familiar
- Ghost
- Ghoul
- Girtablilu
- Gnome
- Goblin
- Golem
- Gremlin
- Griffon
- Harpy
- Hellhound
- Illithid
- Incubus
- Jiangshi
- Kappa
- Kitsune
- Kobold
- Kraken
- Lamia
- Lich
- Lizardfolk
- Manticore
- Medusa
- Merfolk
- Minotaur
- Mummy
- Nightmare
- Ogre
- Oni
- Orc
- Pixie
- Ratfolk (the Large Mouse in particular is based on the Giant Rat)
- Redcap
- Roper
- Sahuagin
- Salamander
- Satyr
- Scylla
- Selkie
- Shoggoth
- Siren
- Skeleton
- Slime
- Sphinx
- Succubus
- Tanuki
- Therianthrope
- Troll
- Unicorn
- Vampire
- Werewolf
- Wight
- Will-o-Wisp
- Witch
- Yeti
- Yuki-onna
- Zombie