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:[[Alignment|Lawful Good]], with an explicit Code of Conduct. However, fuckup paladins who decide to embrace evil had the option to multiclass into the evil prestige class Blackguard (described in the DMG), which receives bonus abilities if the character trades in levels of Paladin. Some settings strip the alignment restrictions off, notably ''[[Eberron]]''. | :[[Alignment|Lawful Good]], with an explicit Code of Conduct. However, fuckup paladins who decide to embrace evil had the option to multiclass into the evil prestige class Blackguard (described in the DMG), which receives bonus abilities if the character trades in levels of Paladin. Some settings strip the alignment restrictions off, notably ''[[Eberron]]''. | ||
:[[Pathfinder]] made a number of mechanical improvements (''beefy'' ones, Pathfinder paladins are ''badass''), but mostly left them alone conceptually. Now they cast spells off charisma rather than wisdom ([[MAD|and praise Saerenrae for that]]), and their Smites, on top of granting better defensive and offensive bonuses, ''keep Smiting'' until they either Smite something else or the Smitee is dead. (Sure, it can ''theoretically'' run out in twenty-four hours, but nothing suffering from a Smite is going to live that long. The Code of Conduct was also softened a little to allow paladins to more easily be team players and not 100% stick-in-the-mud party cops. | :[[Pathfinder]] made a number of mechanical improvements (''beefy'' ones, Pathfinder paladins are ''badass''), but mostly left them alone conceptually. Now they cast spells off charisma rather than wisdom ([[MAD|and praise Saerenrae for that]]), and their Smites, on top of granting better defensive and offensive bonuses, ''keep Smiting'' until they either Smite something else or the Smitee is dead. (Sure, it can ''theoretically'' run out in twenty-four hours, but nothing suffering from a Smite is going to live that long. The Code of Conduct was also softened a little to allow paladins to more easily be team players and not 100% stick-in-the-mud party cops. One problem, if you can call it that, is that the paladin is perhaps ''too'' badass: he's more specialized than some of the other martials, but if the DM keeps throwing evil outsiders or undead into the campaign as [[BBEG]]s, a modestly-well-prepared paladin will be able tear through them like a holy-powered buzzsaw without a lot of effort, since he deals better focus damage than any of them and is immune to shit like ''mummy rot'' that might dissuade another class from taking risks around one. If the final boss keeps getting one-shoted by a well-timed Smite Evil ''litany of righteousness'' combo, it may very well be time to invest in "moral complexity." (Read: making the BBEG a neutral alignment so the pally can't just disintegrate him.) | ||
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Born to raze hell
Paladins are a class from Dungeons and Dragons. They are divine warriors of a somewhat more martial bent than Clerics, receiving a variety of powers generally focused around smiting the enemies of their god. Many a fictitious maiden has benefited from a Paladin's Laying On of Hands (HURR HURR HURR).
The burden Paladins bear to follow a strict code of conduct else they fall is often abused by dickish DMs, who seem to derive some sort of twisted pleasure out of forcing a player's Paladin into hideously arbitrary situations where any choice they take results in falling from grace and the stripping of powers. Even otherwise reasonable DMs seem to turn into complete dicks when presented with a chance to make a paladin player's life a misery. As a result, many avoid playing paladins entirely due to bad experiences with evil DMs.
Your party will never have to deal with the dilemma of "you can only save one: the baby or the nun" situations unless you have a paladin in the group.
Dragonladieshere and Beldak_Serpenthelm tell it like it is
There is none of that, "Oh well if you're truly sorry, there's nothing I can do." horseshit. No, he coup de graces your ass because he's a goddamn paladin. His job is killing evil. You know what his job doesn't entail? Being a sympathetic ear for every whiny NE or CN or LE douchebag who's only being evil because the world is unfair to him or every punk that lets his own dislikes or laziness overcome his own personality. You know what unfair is? Being able to know what kind of person everyone is before you even talk to them. Smelling evil so potent on a motherfucker that you want to sink your fingers in his chest and pull that tar out until the screaming stops. Having the psychotic urge to murder people that you've never even met, for the sole reason that your God decided that you ought to be his right hand without your choice in the matter, that's unfair.
But unlike Evil McBlacknails over there, that Paladin puts on his helmet, sharpens his sword, and then continues walking through crowds of people day by day, resisting the urge. Seeing evidence of injustice so black it makes him sick. Seeing murderers and rapists walk the street, watching good men hang as evil ones pull the lever. Saving his righteous violence for when the situation exactly, specifically, precisely calls for it. Surgically removing that which is most evil. Because he's a Paladin. And if he gave in to the urge, what would he be? Who will right the true wrongs if not he? It's not about not falling as a Paladin. It's about falling so fucking hard you crash through the planet and stand up on the other side.'
- Dragonladieshere
Some of the misconceptions that I am aware of some people having are: self-righteously throws fights by using the word "dirty" to refer to "realistic fighting," doesn't care about murderous tyrants as long as they gave themselves legal permission, believes that strategic retreats are always "cowardly," doesn't believe in letting the other people fight when "talking" would be more "right" in a "fighting" game."
Counter: A paladin’s code of honor is not about throwing fights; it’s about not starting them. If someone is as evil and dangerous as you think they are, then will have no problem throwing the first blow, and if they do not do so, then perhaps they are not as dangerous as you think. How many have been killed in fights that they picked with somebody whom they FALSELY believed would’ve attacked them first, but who in fact had no intention of doing so until he himself was attacked and had to defend himself? And yet, how many people have killed in self-defense in the same circumstance, when they in fact could’ve simply incapacitated their attacker and learned that his only real crime was stupidity?
More importantly, a paladin learns to pick her battles, but BEFORE the battle actually starts. If you attack something that you know to be dangerous, and then run off without planning to finish the job, then you have put others in danger by angering the enemy you attacked and encouraging him to lash out. If you plan to help people by deposing a tyrant, and you don’t bother gathering enough allies to ensure that you actually defeat him when you engage him, then the tyrant needs to know that when – not if – he defeats you, his quarrel with you will be finished, and he needs not burn entire villages to the ground looking for where you fled to and who helped you. If he was not the kind of ruler who would do that after a half-assed assassination attempt, then you would not have needed to depose him in the first place, and thus, if you are stupid enough not to bring enough allies to ABSOLUTELY guarantee victory, then you would need him to know that you acted alone and never had a chance worth him getting worried about after you are dead.'
- Beldak_Serpenthelm
For a player who understands what a paladin is like, see also Powder Keg of Justice.
Paladins in different editions of D&D
- 1st Edition
- Lawful Good. If you fuck up at being Lawful Good, you're busted down to Fighter at the same level, and your church shuns you. The controversial Unearthed Arcana book adds the chance to play Paladin-Cavaliers, who are incredibly ridiculous in power level (can stay conscious and retreat at negative hit points, can boost Str, Con, Dex, and Cha a little bit each level up, immunity to fear, etc).
- 2nd Edition
- A sub-class of Warrior, 2e Paladins are notable primarily by their potential to use Holy Avenger swords, which inflict an additional +10 damage versus Chaotic Evil foes (which is a lot for 2e), and create a circle of power that is a selective antimagic field versus lower level magical effects (so all enemy buffs and enemy magic items created by a level 12 wizard power down when a level 13 paladin walks up). The Cavalier kit recreates about half of the abilities they used to have for a Paladin; its notable that the Cavalier is where the fear immunity for a 3e Paladin comes from, not the Paladin. A Paladin probably does not have a good chance of being worthwhile compared to a fighter if they cannot expect to find their holy sword, however.
- 3rd Edition
- Lawful Good, with an explicit Code of Conduct. However, fuckup paladins who decide to embrace evil had the option to multiclass into the evil prestige class Blackguard (described in the DMG), which receives bonus abilities if the character trades in levels of Paladin. Some settings strip the alignment restrictions off, notably Eberron.
- Pathfinder made a number of mechanical improvements (beefy ones, Pathfinder paladins are badass), but mostly left them alone conceptually. Now they cast spells off charisma rather than wisdom (and praise Saerenrae for that), and their Smites, on top of granting better defensive and offensive bonuses, keep Smiting until they either Smite something else or the Smitee is dead. (Sure, it can theoretically run out in twenty-four hours, but nothing suffering from a Smite is going to live that long. The Code of Conduct was also softened a little to allow paladins to more easily be team players and not 100% stick-in-the-mud party cops. One problem, if you can call it that, is that the paladin is perhaps too badass: he's more specialized than some of the other martials, but if the DM keeps throwing evil outsiders or undead into the campaign as BBEGs, a modestly-well-prepared paladin will be able tear through them like a holy-powered buzzsaw without a lot of effort, since he deals better focus damage than any of them and is immune to shit like mummy rot that might dissuade another class from taking risks around one. If the final boss keeps getting one-shoted by a well-timed Smite Evil litany of righteousness combo, it may very well be time to invest in "moral complexity." (Read: making the BBEG a neutral alignment so the pally can't just disintegrate him.)
- 4th Edition
- In 4th Edition, the paladin must be the same alignment as their deity; no more Lawful Stupid. The slightest deviation from one's alignment no longer results in a DM bitchslap and losing class features; instead, you get vague threats that the other faithful of the paladin's religion will seek you out to administer chastisement for your failings. Paladin abilities are more focused on being a meat-shield than being a holy avenger; for more smite-evil action, you want the Avenger class from Player's Handbook 2. The paladin can no longer fall, so remember that the next time you find yourself hanging from a cliff edge or dropping from an airship, you can float gently back to solid ground.
- 5th Edition
- In 5th Edition, paladins no longer must adhere to any alignment. However, when they reach 3rd level they swear their Paladin Oath, which gives him a code of conduct for him to follow. There are three oaths: the Oath of Devotion, which makes him a stereotypical paladin "defend the weak, enforce justice, be honest" and gives him typical paladin spells; the Oath of the Ancients which makes him a more relaxed and nature-oriented paladin (who can turn into a treant at 18th level and stops aging at 14th); and the Oath of Vengeance, which turns him into Batman (in the whole "I hunt evil relentlessly" regard), gives him skills oriented towards making sure whoever he's fighting cannot leave ever, and allows him to turn into an actual angel of vengeance at 18th level. Mechanically speaking, 5th ed paladins have a few minor differences; their passive "detect evil" is now 1+Cha mod uses per day, but retains its potency, meaning that the paladin can now be caught by surprise by evil if he doesn't think to check. Smiting now uses spell slots, with higher spell slots dealing more damage (which is kind of silly, because there are dedicated smiting spells). There is also an Oathbreaker option listed, since paladins can't technically fall anymore, that details what happens to a paladin who has broken his sworn oath. Also, since paladins have their codes of conduct clearly stated in the PH, it's a lot harder for DMs to force a paladin to fall on grey area moralities.
Gallery
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No John, you are the smiteings
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Detect and smite paladin hard at work.
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PRO DM SKILLZ
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Intelligence and wisdom are sadly frequent dump stats for Paladins.
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Nothing says "fallen paladin" like smiting your teammates. Though murdering her boss was what actually did the trick.
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Evildoers, prepare your anus. That eighteen charisma is crazy "under the hood."
See Also
- Sameo, a short story about a Paladin who dies awesomely.
- Lawful stupid, a particularly annoying way to play a Paladin.
- Space Marines, who are like grimdark Paladins IIIIN SPAAAACE.
- Grey Knights, who are like the above, but even more so.
- Detect Evil, a short story about what Detect Evil feels like to the Paladin.
- Powder Keg of Justice, a short story about a Paladin who explains why his order has so many rules.
- The Orc Baby Dilemma, a topic of much debate amongst /tg/ regarding how a paladin falls
- Gideon Jura and Elspeth Tirel, Magic the Gathering characters based on the paladin archetype with varying degrees of success
Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition Classes | ||
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Player's Handbook 1 | Cleric • Fighter • Paladin • Ranger • Rogue • Warlock • Warlord • Wizard | |
Player's Handbook 2 | Avenger • Barbarian • Bard • Druid • Invoker • Shaman • Sorcerer • Warden | |
Player's Handbook 3 | Ardent • Battlemind • Monk • Psion • Runepriest • Seeker | |
Heroes of X | Blackguard* • Binder* • Cavalier* • Elementalist* • Hexblade* • Hunter* • Mage* • Knight* • Protector* • Scout* • Sentinel* • Skald* • Slayer* • Sha'ir* • Thief* • Vampire* • Warpriest* • Witch* | |
Settings Book | Artificer • Bladesinger* • Swordmage | |
Dragon Magazine | Assassin | |
Others | Paragon Path • Epic Destiny | |
*·: Non-AEDU variant classes |
The Classes of Pathfinder 1st Edition | |
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Core Classes: | Barbarian - Bard - Cleric - Druid - Fighter - Monk Paladin - Ranger - Rogue - Sorcerer - Wizard |
Advanced Player's Guide: |
Alchemist - Antipaladin - Cavalier Inquisitor - Oracle - Summoner - Witch |
Advanced Class Guide: |
Arcanist - Bloodrager - Brawler - Hunter - Investigator Shaman - Skald - Slayer - Swashbuckler - Warpriest |
Occult Adventures: |
Kineticist - Medium - Mesmerist Occultist - Psychic - Spiritualist |
Ultimate X: | Gunslinger - Magus - Ninja - Samurai - Shifter - Vigilante |