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*'''DLC is mandatory''': The big issue. The "The Prophet and the Warlock" DLC is absolutely mandatory to make your faction work on the battlefield; your roster will lack essential units like Ratling Guns and Warplock Jezzails without it.   
*'''DLC is mandatory''': The big issue. The "The Prophet and the Warlock" DLC is absolutely mandatory to make your faction work on the battlefield; your roster will lack essential units like Ratling Guns and Warplock Jezzails without it.   
*'''Mediocre Economy''': Your economy is not the best. While many of your baseline troops are dirt cheap, your crazy weapons are not and your economy needs some time to get going, but even then, you will be overshadowed in terms of money by most other factions in your general vicinity. Special attention needs to go to your food economy, which is easily one of the biggest pitfalls an unexperienced Skaven player can fall into.  
*'''Slow Economy''': While many of your baseline troops are dirt cheap, your crazy weapons are not and your economy needs some time to get going and you will be overshadowed in terms of money by most other factions in your general vicinity. Special attention needs to go to your food economy, which is easily one of the biggest pitfalls an unexperienced Skaven player can fall into. Once you have some provinces under your belt, you can start bringing in the cash.  
*'''Hard to play''': You need at least a basic grip at how the game works to play Skaven, they punish mistakes heavily. Your troops may be numerous and dirt cheap, but have little staying power and will rout at the first glance of danger. Add to this mechanics like the Under-Empire and Skaven Corruption, which need constant attention to make the best use out of them.  
*'''Hard to play''': You need at least a basic grip at how the game works to play Skaven, they punish mistakes heavily. Your troops may be numerous and dirt cheap, but have little staying power and will rout at the first glance of danger. Add to this mechanics like the Under-Empire and Skaven Corruption, which need constant attention to make the best use out of them.  
*'''Very hard start''': Your starting positions (aside from Ikit Claw) put you in opposition of factions that have a lot of tools to counter your strengths, particularly Lizardmen.
*'''Very hard start''': Your starting positions (aside from Ikit Claw) put you in opposition of factions that have a lot of tools to counter your strengths, particularly Lizardmen.

Revision as of 10:42, 6 September 2020

Why play Skaven

  • Because you are a backstabbing bastard that cares little about the lives of your very numerous subjects
  • You like bringing down classic high fantasy tropes with the power of raw industrial might, like Saruman
  • DOOMWHEELS
  • Even your most basic Skaven is by all standards batshit insane and CAs Voice Acting is spot on
  • You are an opportunist that takes advantage of other factions being distracted and like making plots
  • Skaven are entirely unique to Warhammer, in no other setting there is something quite like them
  • IKIT CLAW HAS FUCKING NUKES

Pros

  • Numbers: Even at the highest tiers, you will outnumber your enemy easily. Even higher tier infantry units outnumber every enemy unit and you have the units with the highest base model count in the game.
  • Firepower: Your ranged units are easily unsurpassed by any other faction, this goes for your missle infantry as well as your artillery. Skaven have the strongest ranged roster in the entire game, and don't necessarily need a lot of micro to make the most out of them.
  • Ambushes: Your normal movement stance on the campaign map lets you ambush enemy armies on the attack.
  • Cost: Everything you have is extremely cost-efficient and your melee infantry in particular is dirt cheap.
  • Under-Empire: You can establish hidden bases all over the world, siphoning other factions income into your pockets as well do some really crazy shit with this mechanic.
  • Flexibility on the campaign map: Skaven have by far the most tools on the overworld to shift the odds the AI throws at you in your favor, and being a proper Skaven player, you weren't really interested in a fair fight anyways.

Cons

  • DLC is mandatory: The big issue. The "The Prophet and the Warlock" DLC is absolutely mandatory to make your faction work on the battlefield; your roster will lack essential units like Ratling Guns and Warplock Jezzails without it.
  • Slow Economy: While many of your baseline troops are dirt cheap, your crazy weapons are not and your economy needs some time to get going and you will be overshadowed in terms of money by most other factions in your general vicinity. Special attention needs to go to your food economy, which is easily one of the biggest pitfalls an unexperienced Skaven player can fall into. Once you have some provinces under your belt, you can start bringing in the cash.
  • Hard to play: You need at least a basic grip at how the game works to play Skaven, they punish mistakes heavily. Your troops may be numerous and dirt cheap, but have little staying power and will rout at the first glance of danger. Add to this mechanics like the Under-Empire and Skaven Corruption, which need constant attention to make the best use out of them.
  • Very hard start: Your starting positions (aside from Ikit Claw) put you in opposition of factions that have a lot of tools to counter your strengths, particularly Lizardmen.

Universal traits

  • Verminous Valor: The Leadership of Skaven Units depends stronger than other factions on many Skaven are left, and will regenerate faster after breaking if the unit has more models left.
  • Scurry away!: Skaven units get a speed bonus when they rout. Interesting ability, because it stops enemies from chasing your fodder.
  • The Menace below: THE universal Skaven ability and one that is easily underestimated. It summons a unit of clanrats on any position on the map you wish. The rats will stay on the map for 60 seconds, after which, they die. The times you can use this ability depends on the Skaven corruption in the region the battle is fought in. Before the battle, you can increase the number of uses for a price of 3 food each. Never underestimate this ability, it's utility value is enourmous. That High Elven archer regiment that keeps eluding you? Throw rats on them. That scary looking Bretonnian Cavalry charge? Throw rats at them and negate their Charge bonus. That bloated corpse that could devastate your front line? Throw summoned rats in. The ability to summon sacrificial units for free is extremely powerful, be it to harrass skirmishers or missile units, bog down cavalry and elite infantry or just to have something expendable against suicide units.

Legendary Lords and Subfactions

  • Queek Headtaker (Clan Mors): Queek of Clan Mors starts in the Southlands in both campaigns and as well, has a pretty rough start. You are surrounded by factions that absolutely hate you and have a lot of tools to counter your strenghts; it doesn't help that your economic base isn't that good (other than, let's say, Ikit Claw)and you get minor penalties if you don't control Karak Eight Peaks on Mortal Empires. That being said, if you are familiar with the game and aren't shy of taking a gambit (i.e. expanding as agressively as possible early on), you will find Queeks Campaign very much to your liking. Important to note is that the Penalties for not having Karak Eight Peaks are not nearly as crippling as they are for Skarsnik and Belegar Ironhammer.

Queek himself is a slightly improved Warlord with some unique boons. He excels as a melee fighter despite not having access to any mounts and stomps most enemy Lords and Heroes with relative ease. Add to this that he is the only legendary lord with a reliable escape ability and you can do a lot of nasty things to not-Skaven-Things. He buffs up Stormvermin by a good amount, as well as cutting their Upkeep in half, so Clan Mors Armies tend to stack a lot of Stormvermin, which never is a bad idea.

  • Lord Skrolk (Clan Pestilens): Skrolk leads Clan Pestilens in the overcrowded clusterfuck that is Lustria. Same problems as Queek in the early game, although the game is a bit more generous with early expansion opportunities. He basically has the same pitfalls as Queek, with the significant disadvantage that he starts the game pitted against Lizardmen, which are easily one of the faction that counter Skaven the hardest. Important to note is that Pestilens, as its name says, likes to play around with Plagues, and you actually benefit from catching it, giving you unit discounts, growth boosts and upkeep reduction.

Skrolk himself excels at Spellcasting and little else, but maxing out your Lore of Plague should be a top priority. He also gives nice boosts to all kinds of units that are associated wuth Clan Pestilens and starts with two Plague Monk Regiments, which will carry you through most of the early game.

  • Ikit Claw (Clan Skryre)(DLC): Comes with the "The Prophet and the Warlock" DLC, which, if you play Skaven, you should own anyway, so we could as well Ikit include as a Vanilla lord. Forget about the game telling his Campaign being hard, Ikit has by far the easiest start and can snowball out of control extremely quickly. Clan Skryres Campaign comes with features that are unique to them, first of all is the Skryre Workshop, which lets you boost all Clan Skryre Units (as in Ratling Guns, Doomflayers, DOOMWHEELS etc.) with ridiculous buffs that make them even more powerful and gives you access to Doomsday Rockets, which are in essence, tactical nukes. Ikit Claw and Clan Skryre start the game in Skavenblight, squished in between Tilea and Estalia, and start the game at war with the latter. Interesting to note is that the AI rarely, if ever, attacks Skavenblight and the city itself has good protection from outside threats due its location in a toxic swamp alone. Why this campaign is considered difficult by CA standards is beyond me.

Ikit himself packs the strenghts of both Queek and Skrolk into a nice Skaven-Package without possessing the weaknesses of either; his animations make it really hard to actually land a hit on him, he has a good amount of HP, high armour and a flamethrower. If that's not enough for you, he can also use the Skaven Lore of Ruin for even more damage, and if that is still not enough, you can stick him into his personal DOOMWHEEL (Although it's not recommended, a Doom-Flayer is the much better mount option). Yeah, he is pretty busted and outright broken at times.

Units

Infantry

  • Skavenslaves: Cowardly, flimsy, expendable, cheap. Skavensklaves form the healthy base of any early game Skaven army. You send those guys in to die, not to do damage and to keep the enemy away from your weapons teams. Skavenslaves are by far the most efficient option to do just that. Can come with Spears if you want to give them more staying power against cavalry, but they are Skaven, do you really care if they die?
  • Clanrats: Just a tier above Slaves, with the same attributes, albeit a bit more costly. Basic Clanrats without shields are not worth your time, you're better off just using Skavenslaves. Clanrats with shields will be your bread and butter for the early game, just don't get attached to any one unit of them.
  • Stormvermin: As "elite" as melee Skaven can be. In contrary to Clanrats and Slaves, they actually have staying power (due to being armoured) and good leadership for a rat. Take them with Halberds but as with the other frontline options, don't expect them to move mountains. Your strenghts are elsewhere.
  • Eshin Triads (DLC): A very odd unit that comes with some downsides but all the same weaknesses Stormvermin has. If you don't play as Snikitch, forget about them. Not worth your time.
  • Death Runners: Whoo boy, those guys are really interesting. Probably the highest damage output a Skaven melee unit has, at the cost of a relatively low unit count and being overall very flimsy. That said, they can easily outclass even some elite units and are outright devastating against chaff. Their quick movement speed tends to push them towards a cavalry role, where they are best used.
  • Plague Monks: They trade armour for raw damage, but unlike Death Runners, can actually take a beating due to a high model count. A good, albeit costly, alternative to Stormvermin in the mid- to late game for the more offensively minded player.
  • Plague Monk Censer Bearers: Same weaknesses as Plague Monks, but come with Great Weapons. Great for stalling enemy elite units, but need to be kept save from enemy missles.
  • Warp-Grinders (DLC): More of an utility unit than something you would straight up use in a fight. Their bonusses against large and AP damage have some merit, but don't rely on them to do any meaningful damage in prolonged combat. They can bring down walls und gates with ease, something to keep in mind during Sieges.

Missle Troops

  • Skavenslave Slingers: Utterly useless. No, really. Not even their low costs can offset the glaring weakness that almost every unit can easily shrug off their missles.
  • Night Runners: Your fast and manuverable skirmisher unit that also comes with Vanguard Deployment. Good at harassing the enemy backline and best used in that way. Come in Hybrid and Slingshot varieties.
  • Warpfire Throwers: Where the fun begins. Ridiculously high damage output, solidly armoured. Need positioning to work right, but will absolutely demolish anything that you point them at, including your own units.
  • Ratling Guns (DLC): You liked Fall of the Samurai? Then you are going to love these guys. They are machine guns in a late 16th century setting. Not terribly accurate, but with a high rate of fire, slowing enemies down, good range and a whopping 18 shots per volley. Did we mention that they have 36 models on large unit size settings? These should form your main gun line and are accessible pretty early on. Ikit Claws Workshop gives them tremendous bonusses, the first one making it essentially impossible for them to run out of ammo.
  • Poisoned Wind Globadiers: Essentially grenadiers. They lob their toxic gas over your units heads and are pretty good at doing it. Preferred unit to bring against dwarves. Beware of friendly fire. Held back a bit by their short range.
  • Gutter Runners: A straight upgrade from Night Runners, fulfill the same niche, but also come with poisoned shots.
  • Death Globe Bombadiers: Straight upgrade from Poisoned Wind Globadiers, but even more deadly. They can rack up a ridiculous amount of kills very quickly but you need to be careful with friendly fire. Best used against large blobs of infantry, where they can wreck havoc against everything.
  • Warplock Jezzails (DLC): SNIPER RATS. Long range, excellent accuracy, low rate of fire. Best used against single entity units or enemy lords and heroes, but easily have a place in most army builds.
  • Poisoned Wind Mortars (DLC): Poisoned Wind Globadiers, but with range. They help a lot during tedious sieges, where Skaven don't get to make use of most of their arsenal. Their strenghts are somewhat offset by having a lower model count and being inaccurate.

Monsters& Chariots

  • Rat Ogres: Strikingly similar to Greenskin and Chaos Trolls in a lot of respects; they move surprisingly quickly, pack a certain punch but can't take a beating and have awful leadership. They are useful for harassing archers and other units without armour and certainly have their place in the early game unit roster but become obsolete relatively quickly. Phase them out for Doomflayers as soon as you can.
  • Doom-Flayers (DLC): Your go-to choice for cavalry until the late game. Surprisingly durable and, unlike many other chariots, can withstand prolonged combat. They pack a whole bunch of that sweet AP goodness and are the bane of almost any Dwarfen unit, barring slayers.
  • DOOMWHEEL: The DOOMWHEEL is pure Skaven awesomeness. While being a little on the frail side, it moves quickly and can absolutely terrorize the enemy backline if it gets the chance. Warlock Masters and Ikit Claw can also use a DOOMWHEEL as mounts, keep that in mind.
  • Hell Pit Abomination: Your big fat DISTRACTION CARNIFEX. It takes a whopping buttload of damage depsite having little to no armour and melee defence, but has decent regeneration and causes fear. One Abomination alone can easily tie up multiple enemy regiments in prolongs melee combat while your Ratling Guns and Globadiers do the actual work. And even if it dies, it explodes into more Skavenslaves that tie up the enemy. Have fun.

Artillery

  • Plagueclaw Catapults: The more inaccurate, but more potentially damaging artillery piece. It lobs packs of toxic sludge over great distances. The one great strength that both Skaven artillery pieces have over enemy artillery is that their crews are surprisingly large, giving them a bit more staying power against direct charges by cavalry and melee infantry. Plagueclaws are best used against the more infantry centric factions, as their greater AoE capabilities help a lot with thinning out hordes and enemy archers.
  • Warplightning Cannon: BAsically a great cannon with a lot more ZZAP and much less of a hassle to micromanage. It fires directly, but isn't bound to a high position to do meaningful damage and believe me, it will do damage. Three Regiments of these things will obliterate all but the biggest of monsters in short succession and still retain a lot of firepower against hordes, especially when the enemy is all clumped up in one space.

Lords

  • Warlord: Your generic frontline melee Lord. Sufficiently armoured, but not very tanky, he struggles a lot against most enemy lords and even some heroes. What makes him a little worthwhile (but not much) is the Bonecrusher mount, effectively making him monstrous cavalry.
  • Grey Seer: Your caster Lord, in almost any case preferrable to Warlords. Can choose between Lore of Plague and Lore of Ruin. Most notably is that, regardless of your Lore choice, Grey Seers have exclusive access to The Dreaded Thirteenth Spell that summons Stormvermin for additional crowd control and staying power as well having exclusive access to the Screaming Bell mount, which is just awesome in general. CA even added loud bell sounds whenever you cast a spell or use the special ability that comes with it, a short melee buff for all units on the entire map.
  • Warlock Master (DLC): A pimped up Warlock Engineer, he provides less utility than the hero, but makes for it by being really good in combat and having much easier access to spellcasting (but let's face it, if you pick a Warlock Engineer for spellcasting, you're doing it wrong). Can be put on a Doomflayer or a DOOMWHEEL for extra Dakka. A very good hybrid lord, he can basically do anything. Don't expect him to last long against enemy Lords, though.

Heroes

  • Plague Priest: Arguably one of the best heroes in the entire game. He is your primary sorcerer that has access to the Lore of, you guessed it, Plague. Plague Priests make pure ranged doomstacks of Ratling Guns, Plagueclaw Catapults and Warplock Jezzails work. Formidable fighters when put on a Plague Furnace, their speciality is summoning a crapton of Clanrats (and Plague Monks) to your side and having access to the best AoE damage spell in the Skaven arsenal. On top of that, they can infect enemy settlements and with some luck, even armies with plagues, hurting your enemies or soon-to-be enemies economy and replenishment rates. These guys will make your life so much easier, it's almost comedic.
  • Warlock Engineer: You're starting to see a trend here, in that your Lords are mostly mediocre but your heroes pretty damn good. You don't get a Warlock Engineer for their spellcasting (though a warp lighting here and there doesn't hurt) but for their other yellow skilltree that transforms your already great ranged weapons into unholy mostrosities of death. Ballistics Calibration makes your artillery laser-accurate and it buffs the range and missile strenghts of your weapons teams (i.e. units you would use anyway at any time once they are available). His bonusses don't stack, but one alone is goddamn powerful and in a pinch, you can even comfortably use him to stall enemy cavalry. He is that good.