Warhammer: The Old World

The image that kept grogs hoping for years that their beloved Warhammer would return.......

"Only after disaster can we be resurrected"

– Tyler Durden

"Soon"

– /tg/'s reclusive soon poster

Warhammer: The Old World is a... "thing" GW is creating.

That's all we really know. It exists, it is set in the Old World and it should have square bases. We don't even know when it's coming but the Community site stated it will take a few years (3-5).

Most people have taken this news that Warhammer: The Old World will just be Warhammer Fantasy 9th edition with a fancy name, but it could be a brand new game type. The biggest hope being it revives and updates factions squatted during the End Times and Age of Sigmar, like the Tomb Kings, Bretonnia and Dwarfs.

It's unknown what brought this around, if it was the general hatred Age of Sigmar has never been able to lose, Total War: Warhammer and Vermintide doing so well, or some other reason, but for now, it looks like the sun will rise upon Warhammer Fantasy once again.

From what interviews and little hints that GW have released, it is implied that this incarnation of Fantasy will be framed as a prequel to AOS, with the End Times and everything after still being considered canon, with authors and developers stating in interviews that they wish to give it a similar treatment that 30K received during the run of the Horus Heresy series. This is coming at a time when the Horus Heresy series as a whole is beginning to wrap up with its final act in the Siege of Terra, which will begin to free up a significant portion of Black Library and GW staff to move on to the next big project. With this in mind, there is the possibility of not only the Old World to still be an active setting to be fleshed out and added to, but also the possibility of the End Times possibly being "cleaned up", or at least altered to not be as painfully atrocious as it was on release.

On the 6th of February 2020 we got our first proper tease of the Old World, a map. The map itself is not that remarkable, it's just a map of The Empire, Norsca, Kislev and a few more countries, though it should be noted the design team has taken cues from Total War: Warhammer (This didn't upset some people, honest) as the design as the map is a bit more condensed and small compared to other maps of the Warhammer World. The most interesting thing that was seen on the map however was 4 coats of arms seen on the map in Reikland, Averland, Hochland and Marienburg with each of these coats of arms having the names Wilhelm, Ludwing XII, Sigismund and Magritta on them which all correspond to Elector counts and a Grand Theogonist during the Time of Three Emperors. This is very interesting and may mean that the starting point for the Old World would be this part of The Empires history, which considering the main conflicts of the era were Gorbads Waaagh, The 3 vampiric wars and The Great War against Chaos, this is a pretty cool way for the Old World to hit the ground running.

New Models were also confirmed to be on the way.

Theories and potential releases

With the tease of the new map revealing a time set during the Age of Three Emperors, a few theories and ideas about haw the Old World will be released have come to the front. Primarily the Old World will be updated in a similar way to the Horus Hersey was updated with specific battles and wars explored to compliment army updates, with the Age of Three Emperors having the potential for The Empire, Orcs and Goblins, Vampire Counts and the Warriors of Chaos all to be updated and re-released with the Old World at launch (it would also be pretty easy as most of the Vampire counts and Warriors of Chaos models stuck around in AoS and about half the Empires and Greenskins models are still available). This also makes it possible for other parts of the Warhammer timeline to be explored, so we could see books for The War of Vengeance, The Skaven invasion of Lustria, the rise of Sigmar and even the Great Catastrophe. Now this shouldn't mean that we won't see characters like Grimgor or Karl Franz again as Warhammer fantasy already took characters from all over the timeline with Gorbad, Vlad, Konrad and Manfred already having models and being in their respective army books, so all this should really do is give new characters to the armies while still having rules for characters from the "modern" day of the Warhammer World.

Suddenly Kislev and the Curse of Forge World

More Mongolian than Russian, but cool non the less.

In a move people hoped for but didn't really expect, GW announced that Kislev would be getting an army again (Hooray), with updates to units like Lancers and Horse Archers to be expected, as well as new Units. One of these new units is the "Ice Guard", an all-woman force who guarded the Tsar and used Ice magic just like Ice Witches.

This has been a slightly controversial announcement as the units' concept art looks a bit more High fantasy (Read; Age of Sigmar like) than traditional Kislev units which was a down to earth and low fantasy faction most of the time, and the idea of magic being used by general infantry (albeit for an elite guard) is a bit of a weird thing to see outside of the High Elves or Dogs of War. Oh, and /pol/tards and tumblrite snowflakes started arguing because they were women but that was to be expected and doesn't factor in because neither of them would buy models anyway. Time will tell how this unit is properly received when the models actually come out.

The announcement also plays nicely into the idea of that the Old World will be seeing the Age of Three Emperors and the Great War against Chaos as it's starting point, due to Kislevs involvement in fighting Chaos and the effect the period had on the countries history. Not to mention the technological stagnation of Kislev means that wherever in the timeline future parts of ToW take place in, Kislev will remain relevant if the Empire is involved.

BUT... the bad news. It was mentioned that the concept art for the new upcoming Kislev models was made by a Forge World designer, so this pretty much confirms that, like with the Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game, most (if not all) of the new models for this new edition of Warhammer Fantasy will be made by the evil monstrosity that is Forge World. Good job GW, you've just alienated about 75% of the potential playerbase that was getting excited about this game!

Reaction and the Fantasy player base

Now you would think that the (possible) reintroduction and re-support of Warhammer Fantasy would make all fantasy fans very excited and pleased, right? Well this is /tg/, where bitterness and contempt is the natural state of most of the people who frequent the board, and the announcement of Fantasy's return has caused a bit of disgruntlement in part of /tg/, mostly in the Warhammer Fantasy players.

At first this may seem confusing, as Fantasy players seem to be the target audience of this announcement, but there are a few factors to consider. 1) A lot of fantasy players have not forgiven GW for The End Times, and still consider it to be the greatest wrong GW has ever committed on their player base and while some people say that they should just "get over it", spending hundreds of dollars on an army and hobby, getting invested in the universe and then having the company kill/butcher your army, their fluff and the universe and then saying "buy it again" would leave most people feeling angry and betrayed. It's a bit like your asshole friend running over your childhood dog, telling you to deal with it, and then showing up 2 years later saying he will get you a replacement cat. 2) A lot of Fantasy players hold nothing but animosity for Age of Sigmar players. The two player bases do not get on at all, and this has been proven with the ill fated attempts to have a joint Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar general threads on /tg/, which would consist of both player bases telling each other and the op to fuck off, and a new threads being made for each game. The few grogs who "get along" with AOS players, are the one who were able to move on to AOS themselves, and were also the people most excited by the Old World announcement. There are also the people who are saying that Age of Sigmar was to thank for this, as it has done so well, which obviously rubbed a few people the wrong way.

And for plenty of Fantasy players who never stopped playing the game, all the Old World could offer is new models and with the price hikes and biased updates GW has been putting out lately, not all Fantasy players are particularly enthusiastic to having to pay $60 for a single box of Dwarves. And speaking of money, many WHFB players sold their armies thinking they wouldn't be able to play with them anymore, only for GW to rerurrect the setting a couple of years later. That means re-buying and painting everything their armies from scratch, or buying them back with the price increase the announcement meant.

Now with all this being said some of the less bitter Fantasy players are excited or at least curious about The Old World, and most of the people on the /wfg/ are interested to see new Fantasy models (if for nothing else conversion bits and unit filler). Only time will really tell how this will play out, and if the game is supported properly it will probably do very well and if it can offer up good quality models for the old Warhammer factions it may even tempt the most bitter of grog to at least get some more units for his army. At the very least there won't be the huge confusion from Total War: WARHAMMER fans looking for the game its based on anymore.

Gallery

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  Because you can't keep a good undead down (GW made this, by the way).

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  GW made this too. Pandering, maybe. True, yes.

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  The Grogs never forget, and they never forgive.

See Also

• Army compatibility between Warhammer settings