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Mad Dok Grotsnik

2020-11-24T15:48:16Z

2406:3400:20F:FFC0:A1AD:E248:DCC8:D5AE:

[[File:Grotsnik.jpg|300px|thumb|right|OPERATE, OPERATE! STILL TIME TO OPERATE!]]
If not for [[Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka]], '''Mad Dok Grotsnik''' would probably be dead by now (Vice versa is also true, however). The [[Ork]] equivalent of the Team Fortress 2 Medic, this madman (or madork) cares for nothing more than perfecting the art of 'serjery'. Due to constant [[Cyborks|bionic upgrades]] and such, he's now more demented than ever. In particular, his madness started after some Nobz saw that the new Warboss was a dead hard killing machine after this guy welded his skull back together with adamantium. They decided they liked the idea, and all the Nobz in the settlement came to him for the same treatment.

Grotsnik decided he might want some insurance when the Nobz realized that a metal skull doesn't equate to being blessed by Gork and Mork, and wanted leverage in case they got on his bad side. So Grotsnik hid a grenade under each new skull he fitted, and whenever a Nob crossed Grotsnik, he later came down with a case of exploding head. Pissed off when they found out, the Nobz arranged for him to have an "accident" with a Deff Dread that they thought would kill him. The end result was an almost dead Grotsnik with his own head sliced open.

But he wasn't dead, and Grotsnik's ended up on his own 'serjery' table to be worked upon by his [[Gretchin]] assistants. They somehow did manage to to resuscitate him despite one of them puking onto his brain and another losing his pet spider in Grotsnik's skull. While an impressive feat for Gretchin, they were still Gretchin, so they didn't actually do that great of a job when working out how to reassemble his brain pan. Back from the dead, a little worse for wear but with his memory intact, Grotsnik celebrated with [[Grimdark|with fireworks]] to show that ''you don't fuck with Grotsnik!''

== Currently ==

Just like with the Medic, any actual healing that this lunatic grants you is [[Grimdark|simply a fortunate side-effect]]. The only reason he's still allowed to keep doing his thing is because he's the one who patched Ghazghkull's skull with adamantium after it got blasted apart by a lucky Bolter round. In return, Ghazghkull was grateful not just for Grotsnik saving his life, but also because the surgery gave him the famous vision by [[Gork]] and [[Mork]] to conquer the galaxy.

Grotsnik actually has a seat on Ghaz's inner council and Ghaz still lets him operate on him. Every once in a while, Grotsnik is actually lucid and sane, and during these moments he's both a smart doctor and a good advisor that's actually saved Ghaz's life on several other occassions. That the mad doctor suspiciously becomes sane whenever Ghaz needs him for something really lends weight to Ghaz's claim that Gork and Mork are watching over him. Recently, he is experimenting on creating Franken-Ork, forrming "Da Corpse Lootas" consisting of Deathskulls, Painboyz, Freebooterz, and his own "Stitchboyz" to steal dead bodies from the battlefield (and make them if there are none) for Grotsnik to use as spare parts. Even more recently he seems to have managed to perform the Frankenstein treatment on Ghazghkull himself. After [[Ragnar Blackmane]] went and chopped Ghaz’s head off (though not before Ghaz beat the wolf so badly he needed the Primaris treatment to survive) the Mad Ork was once more forced to save his boss’ life, this time by attaching his head onto a new even bigger body

== On the Tabletop ==

On the tabletop, he can make any unit Fearless, and grants it Feel No Pain as well. He can even upgrade another squad with Cybork bodies, including Meganobz. The best bit stem from the fact that he's One Scalpel Short of a Medpack (no, like, that's the rule's actual name), which means he gives his squad rampage, and the rule that he's not allowed to leave units by default. Him upgrading a squad of regular Orks is a prohibitively expensive cost, he's much better with mega-nobs since they're more likely to be outnumbered in a scrap and thus take advantage of rampage.

[[Category: Warhammer 40,000]]

[[Category: Xenos]]

[[Category: Orks]]

{{Ork-Gitz}}

Rape

2020-11-24T15:36:03Z

2406:3400:20F:FFC0:A1AD:E248:DCC8:D5AE: /* Examples of being proverbially raped */

[[File:Raps Rapeseed Brassica napus.jpg|250px|thumb|right|The graceful Rape in a field.]]

The act of "rape" is by having an individual to perform a sexual act against their will, usually ending with the victim being ultimately powerless to fight off their aggressor(s); it's considered one of worst things one person can do to another, [[Skub|with numerous arguments placing it either above, next to or just below murder or forced mind-wiping]]. Its also the name of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapeseed a type of Canola].

In a proverbial sense that is common in the gaming community and more relevant to us, being "raped" is as situation where an individual finds themselves completely powerless and at the mercy of their opposition, often resulting in them just hoping that they can still get away in one piece after their aggressor(s) is/are done with them. In short, getting "raped" in the proverbial sense, is being utterly dominated by the opposition with no hope of relief.

===Examples of being proverbially raped===
* A 30 man unit of Slugga Boyz, within 6" of a Nob with a Waaagh! Banner and [[Ghazghkull Thraka]], buffed by Warpath, charging ANYTHING without a 2+ save.
*[[Slivers]]
*A Space Marine tactical squad against a Kastelan Robot Maniple.
*A shadowsword against a stompa without an invuln
*A stompa with an invuln
*Magnus the Red during the psychic phase.
*[[Angry Marines]] vs ANYTHING
*DEN vs ANYTHING
*[[Kender]] caught stealing from a black dragon hoard
*An'ggrath vs a Falchion (can go either way depending on whether it's taking place at range or in melee)
*A unit of Khorne Berserkers against a Furioso Dreadnought
*An Intercessor squad against a Deff Dread
*Being within 5 <s>inches</s> <s>feet</s> <s>planets</s> systems of an [[Eversor|eversor assassin]] that has discovered cocaine.
*A haruspex/mutalith vs two snotlings.
**A haruspex/mutalith vs two japanese teenage girls. [[Slaanesh|'''''Oh my!''''']]
*Deep Striking 600 points of Terminators 15 inches from a Plasma sponson equipped Leman Russ Executioner.
*Three full squads of laser destroyer rapiers vs a [[Grot Tanks|grot tank]].
*Anything without a good invunerable save going up against Thunderwolf Cavalry in melee
*A Dreadnought getting ambushed by 30 Tankbustas
*Pre-FAQ [[Anacharis Scoria]] vs [[Primarch|ANYTHING]].
**FAQ vs Anacharis Scoria.
*Anything, ANYTHING without Eternal Warrior against Sigismund or Constantin Valdor in a challenge.
*Anything on the table (other than Leman Russ) with Horus Lupercal, including the table itself.
*Ferrus Manus riding atop a Landraider Spartan like a surfer, repairing it, as he is shooting his assault weapons, before Swanton Bombing (look it up) into the nearest unit and smashing it with Forgebreaker.
*Konrad Curze against anything that's not immune to fear.
*A World Eaters player trying to out-assault a Space Wolves player.
**[[Warhammer 40,000 8th edition|HAH! NO LONGER!]] Have at thee, loyalist dog! Blood for the Blood God!
*Almost anything against a Thousand Sons Grand Coven
*Cadia at the end of Gathering Storm I
*Ahzek Ahriman, in a supreme command detachment with 4 psykers and Magnus against Custodes.
*Going against a Blood Angels army that fields more than 3 Death Company Dreadnoughts
*A squad of Grots facing down a [[Chaos]] [[Vindicator]].
*A unit of Custodian Guard against a Tau unit in melee combat.
*A Tau unit of any kind against anything that can enter melee combat. Even another Tau unit.
*A Tau unit armed with pulse carbines, led by a Fireblade, within 12" of an Ethereal, within 18" of ANYTHING.
*Damn near anything facing down a [[Dreadknight]].
*A ten-man squad of [[Companion|Hetaeron]] charging a lone Chaos cultist.
*A squad of [[Daemon]]s facing down a [[Grey Knight]] Terminator Squad.
*A single [[heresy|heretic]] against an [[Inquisition|Inquisitor Lord]].
*Anything within 6 inches of [[Abaddon|Abaddon the Despoiler]] that isn't a snowflake character (and even then only a handful are good enough to put brakes on Abby's rape train)
*Anything within 6 inches of [[Mephiston]].
*A squad of [[Imperial Guard|Imperial Guardsmen]] against a [[Dark Eldar]] raiding party. In more ways than one...
**The same scenario, in reverse, with [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMNWAJiz5Y SLYYYYYY MAAAAAAARBO]
*An [[Ork]] army facing a trio of [[Manticore Rocket Launcher]]s.
*A horde of [[Tyranid]] gaunts against a [[Land Raider]] Redeemer.
*Said landraider being shishkebabbed by 10 or more carnifexes
*A Dreadnought at standoff range against a trio of XV88 Battlesuits.
*A command Leman Russ Vanquisher with co-axial heavy stubber, artificer hull and monster-slayer shells against anything without solid invuln save.
*A [[Sisters of Battle]] Player in <del>5th</del> any Edition.
*A Sisters of Battle player vs Slanneshi Daemonettes
*Anything without a 2+ save deepstriking within 36 inches of a missleside squad.
*[[C'tan]] Shards have been on the giving and receiving end.
*Eldar when [[C.S.Goto|Goto]] is on the prowl.
*Warhammer 40K [[fluff]] and [[crunch]] at the hands of [[Matt Ward]].
*The [[Sisters of Battle]] at the grubby hands of [[Matt Ward]].
*Anything at the hands of [[Matt Ward]].
*An uppity [[PC]] against a grumpy [[GM]].
*[[Tomb of Horrors]]
*[[Tomb Kings]] before their recent update.
*[[Vlad von Carstein]] in [[Total War: WARHAMMER]].
*An oldschool [[Magic: The Gathering]] deck going up against any other deck sporting cards from ANY expansions in the last five years or so.
*Anything under the leadership of Abigail the Armless vs anything under the command of Creed.
*A troll talking to a fa/tg/uy.
*A unit of heretics being assaulted by a full unit of [[Honour Guard]] all equipped with relic blades.
*Any vehicle that is in the line of sight of a Hammerhead. (Bonus points if Longstrike is in it and he's facing down IG)
*What [[Fish of Fury]] used to be.
*What the Riptide is now.
*A table that was Made in China used by Ork, Tyranid and Guard players. Bonus points if using metal mini's or playing apocalypse
*Dark Eldar going up against Orks in Apocalypse.
*Tyranids going up against Dark Eldar in Apocalypse.
*Anything going up against Chaos Guard+Marines+Daemons combo in Apocalypse.
*[[Angron]] charging anything.
*Lorgar transfigured
*7E Magnus
*A plague marine fighter with the combat specialism, grandfather's blessing and a Flail of Corruption in melee against anything in Kill Team
*Deathwatch Frag Cannon in Kill Team.
*Being able to take 4 Deathwatch Frag Cannons in a single kill team in Kill Team.
*Adeptus Custodes in melee against ANYTHING (in kill team, 40k or 30k).
*Burna-boyz overwatching anything without terminator armor stupid enough to charge them.
*Wraithguard with D-scythes overwatching ''anything'', up to and including bio-titans
**D-Weapons in general if the Dice God favors a player that uses Codex Eldar: Craftworlds.
***What the Wraith Knight became in said Codex.
*<insertname>wing army facing a trio of Ectoplasma Forgefiends or Ion Riptide battlesuits
*Daemons vs [[Grey Knights]]
*Chaos Space Marines vs [[Grey Knights]]
*Anyone trying to outsmart - [[Creed|Hang on, what's that Titan doing there?]]
*Anyone within charge range of a Genestealer brood
*A Carnifex charging a Chimera
*The [[Swarmlord]].
**The [[Swarmlord|Swarmlord's]] rules in 6th and 7th
***Fuck it, [[Tyranid]] rules for 6th and 7th in general
*Imperator class battle titan.
*Necron mass flyer list vs anything but Imperial Guard with 18 hydras.
*Elysian mass flyer list vs ANYTHING.
*When Cultists are holding your objectives
*When Guardsmen are holding your objectives
*When Guardsmen are charging objectives
*Warlord Titans
*When Daemons of Khorne are charging anything
*Skulltaker w/Juggernaut vs. Anything
*6th Edition <s>Vortex</s> [[Deathstrike Missile Launcher|Deathstrike Missile]] aimed at anything not in [[Terminator|Terminator Armour]].
*A Hierophant Biotitan with 3++ saves and feel no pain against ''anything''.
*6th edition Tau.
*[[Dark Angels]] against [[Chaos]] Marines.
* Just about anything being charged by Blood/Chaos knights.
* DOZE SAME GITZ GETTIN' CHARGED BY BOARBOYZ. AH HA, DOSE UMIES DON'T GOT NUTHIN ON US!
* Anything in 8th against a proper Smash Captain and his command squad.
* Sly Marbo against pretty much everything.
* A trio of XV9's in a 1200 point game. (Preach on.)
* A Lord of Skulls reduced to one Hull Point, armed with a Great Cleaver of Khorne, going up against a Tau Ethereal
* Any army that Robin Cruddace doesn't like.
* Reapers from Mass Effect against the [[Doctor Who|Time Lords from Doctor Who.]]
* Anything from Sci-Fi against anything from the Marvel Pantheon of Gods.
* Anything worse than AP3 against an opponent who's playing a Siege Assault list. Re-rollable 3+ Armour Saves, for when being That Guy just isn't enough.
* Cypher against anything involving or relating to the Dark Angels.
* [[Chapter Master Smashfucker|Chapter Master Smashbane and Iron Father Smashfucker]] double teaming some poor sod.
* Anything getting charged by Skarbrand
*A Skaven Hell Pit Abomination getting right back up after dying.
*A Leman Russ Punisher staring down an Ork mob. Bonus points if Pask is commanding it.
*A Leman Russ Punisher with Pask against everything that isnt AV 14
*[[Nagash]]. Just. Nagash.
*[[Malekith]] as The Eternity King.
*A Knight Crusader in the shooting phase
*A Knight Gallant in the Fight phase
*Whenever Matt Ward touches WH40k
*An Umbra against any number of Imperial Guards/Cannon Fodder.
*Whenever a WH40k fanboy enters a forum regarding space Marines.
*Any sufficiently kitted out Death Star unit in 40K.
*Khorne Daemonkin army that just summoned six Bloodthirsters.
*[[Warlord Battle Titan|The "newest" addition to the fuck-you-mine's-bigger contest]]
*Anything from the fluff regarding the [[lamenters|lamenters]].
*Vintage deck playing against a standard deck.
*Trying to fight archaon in age of sigmar
*What happens to your brain when you read the rules for Age of Sigmar
* fighting a necrosphinx as with a monsterous creature.
*Anything that gets between an [[Eversor]] and it's target. <strike>Including</strike> {{BLAM|Especially!! Allies and Civilians HAHAHA WRYYYYY!!!}} What The..?? OH HOLY TERRA NOOO!! *Screams and Splattering noises*
*Cassian Dracos in Zone Mortalis.
*[[Awesome|WHEN THE SKAVEN BLEW UP THE MOON.]]
*[[Dark Angels|DARK ANGELS.]]
*Anything being attacked by army ants. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOe5Lmyyxiw Here's a video of them killing a crab.]
*[[Sly Marbo]]
*Anything going up against a Thallax.
*Anything on the receiving end of a Skitarii Ranger (equiped with either a Galvanic Rifle or a Transuranic Arqebus, either one works really. Although an Arqebus could equate to an [[exterminatus]] if it hits the ground or the next planet in sight).
*KX139 Battlesuits.
*[[Leman Russ]] fighting anything in melee (including other Primarchs).
* [[Solar Auxilia]] LORD-MARSHAL and his entire force making Marines look like whiny pussies, being Ld10, Stubborn, and re-rolling 6 on Morale and Pinning Checks.
*[[Drazhar]] against anything, ANYTHING AT ALL not wearing armor. And a lot of things that are.
* [[Fist of the North Star|Kenshiro]] vs anything armored and unarmoured. Even MOTHERFUCKING BATTLE TANKS, BITCH.
*Longstrike firing at a single wound model with any kind of buff to his hit roll in 8th edition.
*Volcano Cannons in 8th edition.
*An army of only Carnifexes is now totally possible and somewhat viable
*A whole army made up entirely of [[Pyrovore]]s, about to die RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR OPPONENT'S ARMY.
*Ghazghkull Thraka with 90 Ork Boyz in 8E backed up with a Waaagh! Banner Nob.
*Everything in this list against Sly Marbo
*The fact that [[Sly Marbo|the one Imperial Guard motherfucker with the silly name]] is on this list 3 times (that’s not the only place he is)
*Roboute Guilliman
*The [[Nightbringer]], especially in 3rd edition and 9th edition.
*Any infantry of walker without a good anti personnel weapon vs a sufficiently large amount of IG. Seriously, enough shots shoots holes in SPACE MARINES. According to fluff anyway...
*20 Y'Vahra Battlesuits at far range without cover, vs 30 Basilisks behind cover, with a spotter with a vox. For context, Basklisks have AP3, Battlesuits, AS3. Yep. Fun fun!
*[[Vermintide|The Ubersreik 5]] against any skaven at any amount, even with a few mixed in of rat ogres or weapon teams.
*A [[Gorkanaut]] using a series of crush attacks with its claw on any nearby dreadnaut
*The Temple Gargant. Just... The Temple Gargant.
*Titans
*Warden Pattern Knights against blob armies
*Encountering a [[Vampire: The Masquerade|Methuselah.]]
*Encountering [[Atropus]] in a campaign. Its not just you getting raped, '''the whole world is'''.
* [[FATAL]]. A more literal version in this case <s>And a sexier version too</s> {{BLAM|'''''HERESY!'''''}})

==See also==
*[[Anal circumference]]
*For those who came here looking for something else, it's [[Rape of an Eldar|here]]. <s>Not that I'm one of those people...</s> {{BLAM|'''''Nice try Slaaneshi cultist! *BLAM*'''''}}

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Orikan the Diviner

2020-11-24T15:12:31Z

2406:3400:20F:FFC0:A1AD:E248:DCC8:D5AE: /* Lore */

{{cleanup}}
[[File:Orikan miniature.jpg|thumb|I WARNED YOU ABOUT THE BIOTRANSFER, SZAREKH! I TOLD YOU, BRO!!!]]
{{Topquote|In regione caecorum rex est luscus (In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is king.)|Desiderius Erasmus, Adagia}}

'''Orikan the Diviner''' is one of the most powerful [[Cryptek]]s in the entire [[Necron]] Empire. In particular, he is an astromancer, specializing in [[What|reading the future from the patterns and motions of the stars]].

==Lore==
He is acknowledged as the very best in his field. Apparently, he was able to predict the Fall of the [[Eldar]], the [[Horus Heresy]], and the coming of the [[Tyranids]] sixty million years in advance, which gives him a massive ego. He was a member of the Silent King's court and the only one among the nobility who knew the C'tan's offer of robotizing the Necrons would have a steep cost. But Szarekh spurning his warning, resulting in Orikan refusing to serve any master but himself.

He has no respect for the nobles who hire him, but his reputation renders him effectively immune from punishment, because any [[Necron Overlord|Overlord]] who wishes to harm him is paralyzed by the thought that Orikan must have foreseen that sequence of events and taken steps to prevent it or take pre-emptive vengeance.

In reality, Orikan is not quite as good a forecaster as the Necron nobles think he is. He can predict events in more detail than any other astromancer, but even he makes mistakes. He makes up for this with his mastery of time travel -- if his prediction is erroneous, he either goes back in time and manipulates events to conform to the prediction (in spite of the unforseen events that this can bring about later) or tells his past self what will happen (as of 9th edition lore). However, this can risk causing a HUGE temporal paradox, [[Grimdark|and the universe is messed up enough as it is]]. Plus Chaos can mess with Orkian's predictions, and the entities of the Warp can perceive time in a non-linear fashion so he fears they'd come after him if he messes with time too much.

He and Trazyn have something of a history, even before Bio-Transferrence. The pair have spent several millennia dicking each other over; dragging each other into frivolous court cases, staging proxy wars for shits and giggles, and both being manipulated into almost releasing several shards of the Deceiver. Whilst they still very much hate each other, both admit that they are as close to peers as they are likely to find.

== Tabletop ==

Orikan's big plan is to somehow harness the power of the alignment of the stars in the indeterminate future. Instead of reversing biotransference and reverting to a fleshy body like everyone else wants to, Orikan intends to transcend necrodermis and become a being of pure energy, blazing the trail for a new kind of Necron. He has a chance of doing this in miniature during games of [[Warhammer 40,000]] with a special rule called "The Stars Are Right" (feel free to make [[Cthulhu]] jokes as desired). He gains a hefty stat boost if you roll equal to or under the current turn number (and he no longer reverts if this roll succeeds again). For maximum nostalgia, go full Mumm-Ra and "invoke the ancient spirits of evil" whenever you roll that die (the original rule actually included evil laughter: "Bwahahaha!").

There is a bit of evidence to suggest Orikan is a [[C'tan]] who managed to avoid the Poké Ball prison. His complete disregard for the necron nobility, the fact he's actively avoiding close scrutiny, and the small tidbit about his empowered stats being identical to that of a C'tan Shard. His equipment helps align him even further, giving him their trademark 4++ and AP2. This could mean that he's one of the weaker C'tan, being only as powerful as a small piece of one of his brethren, but could also imply that he's only managed to collect a small portion of his true strength for the time being. Maybe he is a freed shard or something, but minor shards only have intellect on par with simple animals, and masquerading as a brilliant scientist is way above their capabilities. Or maybe Orikan Empowered is just the Necron equivalent of [[Daemon Prince|Daemon Princedom]]. Or maybe he's really [[JoJo's Bizarre Adventure|Dio]]. But probably not, he’s likely just a dick as seen in ''the Infinite and the Divine''. But a powerful one. As a nod to the statline, at the climax of the book he achieves maximum power and temporarily becomes something ''very similar'' to a C’tan, appetite and godlike contempt for all life included.

[[Category: Warhammer 40,000]]

[[Category: Xenos]]

[[Category: Necrons]]

{{Necrons-Characters}}

Orikan the Diviner

2020-11-24T15:06:35Z

2406:3400:20F:FFC0:A1AD:E248:DCC8:D5AE:

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[[File:Orikan miniature.jpg|thumb|I WARNED YOU ABOUT THE BIOTRANSFER, SZAREKH! I TOLD YOU, BRO!!!]]
{{Topquote|In regione caecorum rex est luscus (In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is king.)|Desiderius Erasmus, Adagia}}

'''Orikan the Diviner''' is one of the most powerful [[Cryptek]]s in the entire [[Necron]] Empire. In particular, he is an astromancer, specializing in [[What|reading the future from the patterns and motions of the stars]].

==Lore==
He is acknowledged as the very best in his field. Apparently, he was able to predict the Fall of the [[Eldar]], the [[Horus Heresy]], and the coming of the [[Tyranids]] sixty million years in advance, which gives him a massive ego. He has no respect for the nobles who hire him, but his reputation renders him effectively immune from punishment, because any [[Necron Overlord|Overlord]] who wishes to harm him is paralyzed by the thought that Orikan must have foreseen that sequence of events and taken steps to prevent it or take pre-emptive vengeance.

In reality, Orikan is not quite as good a forecaster as the Necron nobles think he is. He can predict events in more detail than any other astromancer, but even he makes mistakes. He makes up for this with his mastery of time travel -- if his prediction is erroneous, he either goes back in time and manipulates events to conform to the prediction (in spite of the unforseen events that this can bring about later) or tells his past self what will happen (as of 9th edition lore). However, this can risk causing a HUGE temporal paradox, [[Grimdark|and the universe is messed up enough as it is]]. Plus Chaos can mess with Orkian's predictions, and the entities of the Warp can perceive time in a non-linear fashion so he fears they'd come after him if he messes with time too much.

He and Trazyn have something of a history, even before Bio-Transferrence. The pair have spent several millennia dicking each other over; dragging each other into frivolous court cases, staging proxy wars for shits and giggles, and both being manipulated into almost releasing several shards of the Deceiver. Whilst they still very much hate each other, both admit that they are as close to peers as they are likely to find.

== Tabletop ==

Orikan's big plan is to somehow harness the power of the alignment of the stars in the indeterminate future. Instead of reversing biotransference and reverting to a fleshy body like everyone else wants to, Orikan intends to transcend necrodermis and become a being of pure energy, blazing the trail for a new kind of Necron. He has a chance of doing this in miniature during games of [[Warhammer 40,000]] with a special rule called "The Stars Are Right" (feel free to make [[Cthulhu]] jokes as desired). He gains a hefty stat boost if you roll equal to or under the current turn number (and he no longer reverts if this roll succeeds again). For maximum nostalgia, go full Mumm-Ra and "invoke the ancient spirits of evil" whenever you roll that die (the original rule actually included evil laughter: "Bwahahaha!").

There is a bit of evidence to suggest Orikan is a [[C'tan]] who managed to avoid the Poké Ball prison. His complete disregard for the necron nobility, the fact he's actively avoiding close scrutiny, and the small tidbit about his empowered stats being identical to that of a C'tan Shard. His equipment helps align him even further, giving him their trademark 4++ and AP2. This could mean that he's one of the weaker C'tan, being only as powerful as a small piece of one of his brethren, but could also imply that he's only managed to collect a small portion of his true strength for the time being. Maybe he is a freed shard or something, but minor shards only have intellect on par with simple animals, and masquerading as a brilliant scientist is way above their capabilities. Or maybe Orikan Empowered is just the Necron equivalent of [[Daemon Prince|Daemon Princedom]]. Or maybe he's really [[JoJo's Bizarre Adventure|Dio]]. But probably not, he’s likely just a dick as seen in ''the Infinite and the Divine''. But a powerful one. As a nod to the statline, at the climax of the book he achieves maximum power and temporarily becomes something ''very similar'' to a C’tan, appetite and godlike contempt for all life included.

[[Category: Warhammer 40,000]]

[[Category: Xenos]]

[[Category: Necrons]]

{{Necrons-Characters}}

Edgy

2020-11-24T10:29:47Z

2406:3400:20F:FFC0:A1AD:E248:DCC8:D5AE: /* Tabletop Games */

{{Topquote|As far as I can make out "edgy" occurs when middlebrow, middle-aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy--not to mention the spending money--out of the "youth culture." So they come up with this fake concept of "seeming to be dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan".|[[Daria 40k|Daria]], Episode [3.05] The Lost Girls.}}

{{Topquote|My name is Not Important; what is important is what I'm going to do. I just fucking hate this world, and the human worms feasting on its carcass. My whole life is just cold, bitter hatred, and I always wanted to die violently. This is the time of vengeance, and no life is worth saving, and I will put in the grave as many as I can. It's time for me to kill and it's time for me to die; my genocide crusade begins... here!|The Crusader, aka Not Important}}

{{Topquote|Make it [[World of Darkness|dark]], make it [[Grimdark|grim]], make it [[ANGRY MARINES|tough]] but then, for the love of God, [[Comedy Marines|tell a joke]].|Joss Whedon giving a nice example on how to avoid being edgy even while creating a dark world}}

[[File:Marvel Edge.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Unabashed Edginess from the 1990s]]
'''Edginess''' refers to people trying too hard (or too aggressively) to make things more [[grimdark|tragic, violent]], controversial or cool. This often takes the form of senselessly driving a vague argument, a plotline or a scenario to its darkest possible outcome, all the while openly expressing their disdain for whoever "the establishment" is, rationalizing villains or finding a middle ground in discourses. Like most internet terminology, it has been beaten to death, resurrected hastily, and then beaten some more. Has no relation to ''[[Hunter: The Reckoning]]''.

Another far less negative use of the term is to describe something on the 'edge' of what's acceptable, pushing established boundaries of convention. For example, by this definition ''Batman: The Animated Series'' was edgy for making an animated series which defied expectations of how true to its base concept and generally well-written a show designed to sell toys could be. Some more examples of this would be Ren and Stimpy (which was crude and vulgar) or Invader Zim (which could get dark in subject matter, and used a fair bit of black humor); in both cases, a decent bit of the comedy was of the "I can't believe that they did ''THAT'' on a kid's cartoon show!" variety. A milder version of this was Sonic the Hedgehog in contrast to Mario. In 1989 the Simpsons was the Edgy take on the classic family sitcom archetype and in 1999 Family Guy had slotted itself in as the Edgy version of The Simpsons. For the 1990s and early 2000s Edgy was a favored term of cynical marketing types which drew the attention of the world's sarcastic snarkers, many of which came to congregate on sites such as 4chan.

An "edgelord" is someone who essentially is guilty of serial attempts to be edgy, like [[that guy]] at your tabletop role playing group who always, without fail, makes a specific type of self insert or wish fulfillment character; brooding loners skilled at violence who hate anyone else having authority over them, are anti-conformist and have a troubled past - all without the nuance or skill to actually pull it off (with their opponents often being stand-ins for whoever the edgelord considers "The Man™" such as big business, law enforcement or organized religion). The end result is they makes themselves look silly. "Art" done by edgelords contain characters who are as dark, brooding and as painfully unhappy as possible, conflicts have zero compromise, institutions are the villains unless the edgelord made them and any conflict of interest will have the worst possible outcome. In writing, edgelords will go out of their way to make the story extra depressing, and subject multiple aspects of it to an increased shock factor when it's clearly '''illogical''' to do so. Needless to say, it can drive a perfect idea to make an entertaining story into the shitter, grating the nerves of even the most jaded audience. When commenting, the "edgelord" will simply push any predicament in the artwork to the darkest, deepest, worst outcome, while describing his fantasies. For example: In an adult and/or bondage predicament picture, edgelords can be found describing a paragraph of horrible fate the captive would suffer, *should* suffer because slaves are shit, and *deserve* abuse, even when the picture was of a predicament with nothing in context. Or he will simply fill the comment of any NSFW picture with his own sick fantasies, surely adding "women DESERVE it".

This is not to say that said dark elements like murder, slavery, rape and bodily harm are bad for literature, but rather that their sloppy execution with no regard to their depth is. As shown above, even the most "edgelord" of concepts can be salvaged and even made bearable with proper handling, especially going by the latter definition - but if you do it enough, the boundaries shift and what was edgy becomes the new norm, and there is always the risk of falling ''over'' the edge. This is why the old definition has fallen increasingly out of favor as time has gone on — people began seeing the dross sold under the title of "edgy", and the idea of what it meant thus moved away from the positive connotations marketing execs desired and closer to the qualities described above. Plus, this is the internet, and people would rather a word just be an insult or a compliment to reduce confusion.

==The Anatomy of Edginess==
Edginess is in some ways like a cargo cult. During WWII in the Pacific, the US military set up bases on remote, but inhabited islands, bringing with them a lot of stuff like planes and cars and so forth that was quite amazing to the stone age natives, to whom the world had been a few dozen square kilometers of land surrounded by ocean, with hazy stories of other such islands. When the military left, some of the natives took to making coconut and wooden radios and flight towers based off of some vague recollection of the military variants, unaware that making the shape alone does not get you the functional item.

In that vein, most of what comes to mind when people envision "edgy" artworks tends to be the result of people who wanted to make ''morally grey'' characters and subject matter, but lack the maturity/experience/focus necessary to NOT end up with anything other than a multiple-personality-disordered mess. Someone with (at best) mediocre creative abilities sees some fiction that makes good use of melodrama, gritty settings, dark humor and such, made by people who know what the hell they're doing and figures "I can do that!", leading to said person haphazardly applying those elements incorrectly. The results of such efforts are either tiresome, unintentionally funny or just painful. The stereotypical teenager, especially one with gothic/emo tendencies, commonly embody this - all too eager for "adult" things (eg: violence, sex, etc.) in their limited perception of such, often born of denial. Individuals who pander to said demographic (or are otherwise just downright hacks) will favor this approach over any sense of complexity, subtlety, nuance and some actual understanding of the human condition.

===Edgy and [[Grimdark]]===
While edginess is frequently associated with invoking grimdark [[Derp|for the sake of it and nothing else]], it's important to remember that this alone does not edgy make. As an example, [[WH40K]]'s [[Imperium of Man]] has reasons to be fair and kind when capable: though it has plenty of genocide, xenocide (completely annihilating species even when they are gentle and kind), torture, forced labor (they draw the line at commercialized chattel slavery, but un-unionized indentured servitude is fair game), witch hunts and militarism that would give Hitler a chubby beyond the grave, said horrors have reasonable justifications. Aliens were buying and selling humans like pets and culling them by the billion, operating slaver outposts even in our solar system before the Emperor came into leading humanity into a roaring rampage of revenge. And regarding souls and the universe after the Heresy, any deviation from faith in the Emperor will ''literally'' send a human to hell upon death, with their soul becoming dæmon food (and/or sex toys).

Any mistreated machinery will attract foul entities and corruption that will fuck you up seven ways till Monday and chew you out; any ill-coaxed [[Machine Spirit]] will jam and blow up in your face; and any laxity will make [[Chaos]] cults pop up by the billion in a week. Then there's [[Necrons|the genocidal robots from another age]], [[Eldar|space elves that would murder a planet on the off chance that their]] [[Farseer]] would break a nail otherwise (and they're still the nice space elves despite that, as their [[Dark Eldar|webway dwelling cousins are even worse - murdering entire planets just because they like the sound of millions of people screaming]]), [[Orks|the ambulatory (AND belligerent) fungi that plague the entire galaxy in a series of wars]], and [[Tyranids|extragalactic horrors that intend to eat everyone's face.]] [[TL;DR]] The Imperium acts like an asshole Hitler/Hirohito bastard child because the alternative is much, MUCH worse.

At the level of narrative, the fact that things are very very bad is a core thematic element of this world. As pointed out there are reasons why things are so miserable in this world which flow logically and despite this there can be points of contrast. Imperials still have the same potential to love and be kind like modern real world humans do. The Tau are hopeful despite the evils of this world. Occasionally pragmatism can overcome the deep seeded prejudices to overcome greater evils, if only for a while. And even if it is preformed by Conscript Guardsmen, Commissars or Space Marines, each the product of horrendous military institutions, can fight to achieve acts of genuine (if still typically brutal) heroism.

Now if you want a senselessly edgy story in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, an example would be the now non-canon [[Khornate Knights]].

===In closing===
There are many paths to success for a storyteller, some of which include going over dark territory in various ways or by innovating and pushing boundaries. However, all of them require care and attention to detail to pull off well. Being dark is not a magic bullet for achieving profoundness without trying.

==Notable Edgelords==

===Comics===
* The Punisher (pictured above), depending on the writer. The ultimate example being in Garth Ennis' professionally published Hate Fic [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punisher_Kills_the_Marvel_Universe "Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe"] (and Ennis himself is quite the edgelord, for example, see below).
* Billy Butcher from The Boys, being Garth's anti-superpowers power fantasy (he even recycled Punisher's story arc from the comic linked above).
* Lord Edgelord, later Lord Edgegod from Slackwyrm Keep. He's aware, and <s>he's loving it</s>***CLANG!*** There's no love in edge, only chaos!
* Livewire from DC comics. An edgelord from the get-go being a shock jock whose targets included Superman for no good reason. Then after Superman tried to save her life in an accident she caused through her carelessness, she became a murderous supervillain bent on killing Superman.
* The Joker, depending on the writer.

===Film===
* Common in live-action adaptations of The Joker.
** ''The Dark Knight'' version (Heath Ledger version) was "edge with a point"; exploring human evils regarding terrorism (minus ideological baggage).
** The ''Joker'' (the 2019 Joaquin Phoenix version), though another "edge with a point" Joker; exploring the origins of evil (also minus ideological baggage).
** Jared Leto's Joker in "Suicide Squad" is an almost textbook example of pointless "edgelord".
* Tyler Durden from ''"Fight Club"''.
* [[Star Wars|Kylo Ren]] AKA Krylo Ben AKA Ben Swolo. The writers were doing it on purpose, to play up the First Order's dogmatic North Korea in space schtick, and to that end made Kylo an incredibly unsubtle Darth Vader pastiche. While "Kylo" may be the worst Skywalker ever, there is no denying that the edge is strong in his family. His mom's side are a bunch of crybaby desert backworlders with an incestuous sex drive and his dad was a scruffy, nerf herding spice smuggler - and all were war criminals, some with body counts in the hundred thousands and some with children's blood on their hands... He probably fits the mold better than we'd like to admit. Also his edge is undermined by fact that he never won a fight against [[Mary_Sue|Mar-Rey Sue Palpatine]] which doesn’t help things either.

===Video Games===
* [[/v/|Shadow the Hedgehog]] for the PS2/XBox/Gamecube. For the unfamiliar: An edgy game about a cartoon hedgehog shooting enemies, yet ESRB rated for Everyone 10 and up.
** The villain Infinite from ''Sonic Forces'', as a parody of edgy Villain Sue characters.
* Illidan Stormrage, Deathwing and Sylvanas Windrunner from the Warcraft franchise, to name some.
* Reaper from Overwatch.
* Caesar's Legion and Caesar himself in [[Fallout|Fallout: New Vegas]] (along with some of their fans and the writer who created them).
* Not Important aka The Antagonist aka The Crusader from Hatred. Imagine every trope related to edgy nihilistic spree shooters, push them to their uncomfortable extremes and then plop the result in a monochromatic mess of a game. What you get is the story about a very unlikable man with dialogue written by less likeable people (including an edgy as fuck death metal band) going around and killing everyone because...fuck you, it's edgy.

===Literature===
* [[Elric]] of Melnibone, arguably the first one.
* Euron Greyjoy, Littlefinger and Ramsay Bolton from [[A Song of Ice and Fire]].
===Tabletop Games===
* [[Blackguard]]s
* Warhammer settings have too many to list;
** 40k is the worst offender in that regard, so let's just say the [[Black Templars]], the [[Marines Malevolent]], the [[Dark Eldar]] and most [[Chaos Space Marine|traitor marines]] for this one.
** For Warhammer Fantasy there's [[Valnir the Reaper]], [[Nagash]] and most Dark Elves.
** On that note, [[Malal]] among the Chaos Gods.

===Fan Works===
*[[Drizzt]] clones with extreme Alignment leanings, either towards good or evil.
*Various [[Original character, do not steal|fan-made]] and canon Sonic characters, particularly Shadow.
* The whole "*teleports behind you* Nothing personal kid. *stabs you*" meme originated as a parody of edgelord characters.
===Anime===
* Half of the [[Animu]] protagonists in existence. Bonus points if the genre is [[Isekai]], triple points if there's a harem involved.

[[Category:Gamer Slang]]

Edgy

2020-11-24T10:27:31Z

2406:3400:20F:FFC0:A1AD:E248:DCC8:D5AE: /* Film */

{{Topquote|As far as I can make out "edgy" occurs when middlebrow, middle-aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy--not to mention the spending money--out of the "youth culture." So they come up with this fake concept of "seeming to be dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan".|[[Daria 40k|Daria]], Episode [3.05] The Lost Girls.}}

{{Topquote|My name is Not Important; what is important is what I'm going to do. I just fucking hate this world, and the human worms feasting on its carcass. My whole life is just cold, bitter hatred, and I always wanted to die violently. This is the time of vengeance, and no life is worth saving, and I will put in the grave as many as I can. It's time for me to kill and it's time for me to die; my genocide crusade begins... here!|The Crusader, aka Not Important}}

{{Topquote|Make it [[World of Darkness|dark]], make it [[Grimdark|grim]], make it [[ANGRY MARINES|tough]] but then, for the love of God, [[Comedy Marines|tell a joke]].|Joss Whedon giving a nice example on how to avoid being edgy even while creating a dark world}}

[[File:Marvel Edge.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Unabashed Edginess from the 1990s]]
'''Edginess''' refers to people trying too hard (or too aggressively) to make things more [[grimdark|tragic, violent]], controversial or cool. This often takes the form of senselessly driving a vague argument, a plotline or a scenario to its darkest possible outcome, all the while openly expressing their disdain for whoever "the establishment" is, rationalizing villains or finding a middle ground in discourses. Like most internet terminology, it has been beaten to death, resurrected hastily, and then beaten some more. Has no relation to ''[[Hunter: The Reckoning]]''.

Another far less negative use of the term is to describe something on the 'edge' of what's acceptable, pushing established boundaries of convention. For example, by this definition ''Batman: The Animated Series'' was edgy for making an animated series which defied expectations of how true to its base concept and generally well-written a show designed to sell toys could be. Some more examples of this would be Ren and Stimpy (which was crude and vulgar) or Invader Zim (which could get dark in subject matter, and used a fair bit of black humor); in both cases, a decent bit of the comedy was of the "I can't believe that they did ''THAT'' on a kid's cartoon show!" variety. A milder version of this was Sonic the Hedgehog in contrast to Mario. In 1989 the Simpsons was the Edgy take on the classic family sitcom archetype and in 1999 Family Guy had slotted itself in as the Edgy version of The Simpsons. For the 1990s and early 2000s Edgy was a favored term of cynical marketing types which drew the attention of the world's sarcastic snarkers, many of which came to congregate on sites such as 4chan.

An "edgelord" is someone who essentially is guilty of serial attempts to be edgy, like [[that guy]] at your tabletop role playing group who always, without fail, makes a specific type of self insert or wish fulfillment character; brooding loners skilled at violence who hate anyone else having authority over them, are anti-conformist and have a troubled past - all without the nuance or skill to actually pull it off (with their opponents often being stand-ins for whoever the edgelord considers "The Man™" such as big business, law enforcement or organized religion). The end result is they makes themselves look silly. "Art" done by edgelords contain characters who are as dark, brooding and as painfully unhappy as possible, conflicts have zero compromise, institutions are the villains unless the edgelord made them and any conflict of interest will have the worst possible outcome. In writing, edgelords will go out of their way to make the story extra depressing, and subject multiple aspects of it to an increased shock factor when it's clearly '''illogical''' to do so. Needless to say, it can drive a perfect idea to make an entertaining story into the shitter, grating the nerves of even the most jaded audience. When commenting, the "edgelord" will simply push any predicament in the artwork to the darkest, deepest, worst outcome, while describing his fantasies. For example: In an adult and/or bondage predicament picture, edgelords can be found describing a paragraph of horrible fate the captive would suffer, *should* suffer because slaves are shit, and *deserve* abuse, even when the picture was of a predicament with nothing in context. Or he will simply fill the comment of any NSFW picture with his own sick fantasies, surely adding "women DESERVE it".

This is not to say that said dark elements like murder, slavery, rape and bodily harm are bad for literature, but rather that their sloppy execution with no regard to their depth is. As shown above, even the most "edgelord" of concepts can be salvaged and even made bearable with proper handling, especially going by the latter definition - but if you do it enough, the boundaries shift and what was edgy becomes the new norm, and there is always the risk of falling ''over'' the edge. This is why the old definition has fallen increasingly out of favor as time has gone on — people began seeing the dross sold under the title of "edgy", and the idea of what it meant thus moved away from the positive connotations marketing execs desired and closer to the qualities described above. Plus, this is the internet, and people would rather a word just be an insult or a compliment to reduce confusion.

==The Anatomy of Edginess==
Edginess is in some ways like a cargo cult. During WWII in the Pacific, the US military set up bases on remote, but inhabited islands, bringing with them a lot of stuff like planes and cars and so forth that was quite amazing to the stone age natives, to whom the world had been a few dozen square kilometers of land surrounded by ocean, with hazy stories of other such islands. When the military left, some of the natives took to making coconut and wooden radios and flight towers based off of some vague recollection of the military variants, unaware that making the shape alone does not get you the functional item.

In that vein, most of what comes to mind when people envision "edgy" artworks tends to be the result of people who wanted to make ''morally grey'' characters and subject matter, but lack the maturity/experience/focus necessary to NOT end up with anything other than a multiple-personality-disordered mess. Someone with (at best) mediocre creative abilities sees some fiction that makes good use of melodrama, gritty settings, dark humor and such, made by people who know what the hell they're doing and figures "I can do that!", leading to said person haphazardly applying those elements incorrectly. The results of such efforts are either tiresome, unintentionally funny or just painful. The stereotypical teenager, especially one with gothic/emo tendencies, commonly embody this - all too eager for "adult" things (eg: violence, sex, etc.) in their limited perception of such, often born of denial. Individuals who pander to said demographic (or are otherwise just downright hacks) will favor this approach over any sense of complexity, subtlety, nuance and some actual understanding of the human condition.

===Edgy and [[Grimdark]]===
While edginess is frequently associated with invoking grimdark [[Derp|for the sake of it and nothing else]], it's important to remember that this alone does not edgy make. As an example, [[WH40K]]'s [[Imperium of Man]] has reasons to be fair and kind when capable: though it has plenty of genocide, xenocide (completely annihilating species even when they are gentle and kind), torture, forced labor (they draw the line at commercialized chattel slavery, but un-unionized indentured servitude is fair game), witch hunts and militarism that would give Hitler a chubby beyond the grave, said horrors have reasonable justifications. Aliens were buying and selling humans like pets and culling them by the billion, operating slaver outposts even in our solar system before the Emperor came into leading humanity into a roaring rampage of revenge. And regarding souls and the universe after the Heresy, any deviation from faith in the Emperor will ''literally'' send a human to hell upon death, with their soul becoming dæmon food (and/or sex toys).

Any mistreated machinery will attract foul entities and corruption that will fuck you up seven ways till Monday and chew you out; any ill-coaxed [[Machine Spirit]] will jam and blow up in your face; and any laxity will make [[Chaos]] cults pop up by the billion in a week. Then there's [[Necrons|the genocidal robots from another age]], [[Eldar|space elves that would murder a planet on the off chance that their]] [[Farseer]] would break a nail otherwise (and they're still the nice space elves despite that, as their [[Dark Eldar|webway dwelling cousins are even worse - murdering entire planets just because they like the sound of millions of people screaming]]), [[Orks|the ambulatory (AND belligerent) fungi that plague the entire galaxy in a series of wars]], and [[Tyranids|extragalactic horrors that intend to eat everyone's face.]] [[TL;DR]] The Imperium acts like an asshole Hitler/Hirohito bastard child because the alternative is much, MUCH worse.

At the level of narrative, the fact that things are very very bad is a core thematic element of this world. As pointed out there are reasons why things are so miserable in this world which flow logically and despite this there can be points of contrast. Imperials still have the same potential to love and be kind like modern real world humans do. The Tau are hopeful despite the evils of this world. Occasionally pragmatism can overcome the deep seeded prejudices to overcome greater evils, if only for a while. And even if it is preformed by Conscript Guardsmen, Commissars or Space Marines, each the product of horrendous military institutions, can fight to achieve acts of genuine (if still typically brutal) heroism.

Now if you want a senselessly edgy story in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, an example would be the now non-canon [[Khornate Knights]].

===In closing===
There are many paths to success for a storyteller, some of which include going over dark territory in various ways or by innovating and pushing boundaries. However, all of them require care and attention to detail to pull off well. Being dark is not a magic bullet for achieving profoundness without trying.

==Notable Edgelords==

===Comics===
* The Punisher (pictured above), depending on the writer. The ultimate example being in Garth Ennis' professionally published Hate Fic [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punisher_Kills_the_Marvel_Universe "Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe"] (and Ennis himself is quite the edgelord, for example, see below).
* Billy Butcher from The Boys, being Garth's anti-superpowers power fantasy (he even recycled Punisher's story arc from the comic linked above).
* Lord Edgelord, later Lord Edgegod from Slackwyrm Keep. He's aware, and <s>he's loving it</s>***CLANG!*** There's no love in edge, only chaos!
* Livewire from DC comics. An edgelord from the get-go being a shock jock whose targets included Superman for no good reason. Then after Superman tried to save her life in an accident she caused through her carelessness, she became a murderous supervillain bent on killing Superman.
* The Joker, depending on the writer.

===Film===
* Common in live-action adaptations of The Joker.
** ''The Dark Knight'' version (Heath Ledger version) was "edge with a point"; exploring human evils regarding terrorism (minus ideological baggage).
** The ''Joker'' (the 2019 Joaquin Phoenix version), though another "edge with a point" Joker; exploring the origins of evil (also minus ideological baggage).
** Jared Leto's Joker in "Suicide Squad" is an almost textbook example of pointless "edgelord".
* Tyler Durden from ''"Fight Club"''.
* [[Star Wars|Kylo Ren]] AKA Krylo Ben AKA Ben Swolo. The writers were doing it on purpose, to play up the First Order's dogmatic North Korea in space schtick, and to that end made Kylo an incredibly unsubtle Darth Vader pastiche. While "Kylo" may be the worst Skywalker ever, there is no denying that the edge is strong in his family. His mom's side are a bunch of crybaby desert backworlders with an incestuous sex drive and his dad was a scruffy, nerf herding spice smuggler - and all were war criminals, some with body counts in the hundred thousands and some with children's blood on their hands... He probably fits the mold better than we'd like to admit. Also his edge is undermined by fact that he never won a fight against [[Mary_Sue|Mar-Rey Sue Palpatine]] which doesn’t help things either.

===Video Games===
* [[/v/|Shadow the Hedgehog]] for the PS2/XBox/Gamecube. For the unfamiliar: An edgy game about a cartoon hedgehog shooting enemies, yet ESRB rated for Everyone 10 and up.
** The villain Infinite from ''Sonic Forces'', as a parody of edgy Villain Sue characters.
* Illidan Stormrage, Deathwing and Sylvanas Windrunner from the Warcraft franchise, to name some.
* Reaper from Overwatch.
* Caesar's Legion and Caesar himself in [[Fallout|Fallout: New Vegas]] (along with some of their fans and the writer who created them).
* Not Important aka The Antagonist aka The Crusader from Hatred. Imagine every trope related to edgy nihilistic spree shooters, push them to their uncomfortable extremes and then plop the result in a monochromatic mess of a game. What you get is the story about a very unlikable man with dialogue written by less likeable people (including an edgy as fuck death metal band) going around and killing everyone because...fuck you, it's edgy.

===Literature===
* [[Elric]] of Melnibone, arguably the first one.
* Euron Greyjoy, Littlefinger and Ramsay Bolton from [[A Song of Ice and Fire]].
===Tabletop Games===
* [[Blackguard]]s
* Warhammer 40k has too many to list them all, but the [[Black Templars]], the [[Marines Malevolent]], the [[Dark Eldar]] and most [[Chaos Space Marine|traitor marines]].
* [[Valnir the Reaper]], [[Nagash]] and most Dark Elves from Warhammer Fantasy.
** On that note, [[Malal]] among the Chaos Gods.
===Fan Works===
*[[Drizzt]] clones with extreme Alignment leanings, either towards good or evil.
*Various [[Original character, do not steal|fan-made]] and canon Sonic characters, particularly Shadow.
* The whole "*teleports behind you* Nothing personal kid. *stabs you*" meme originated as a parody of edgelord characters.
===Anime===
* Half of the [[Animu]] protagonists in existence. Bonus points if the genre is [[Isekai]], triple points if there's a harem involved.

[[Category:Gamer Slang]]

Edgy

2020-11-24T10:26:33Z

2406:3400:20F:FFC0:A1AD:E248:DCC8:D5AE: /* Video Games */

{{Topquote|As far as I can make out "edgy" occurs when middlebrow, middle-aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy--not to mention the spending money--out of the "youth culture." So they come up with this fake concept of "seeming to be dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan".|[[Daria 40k|Daria]], Episode [3.05] The Lost Girls.}}

{{Topquote|My name is Not Important; what is important is what I'm going to do. I just fucking hate this world, and the human worms feasting on its carcass. My whole life is just cold, bitter hatred, and I always wanted to die violently. This is the time of vengeance, and no life is worth saving, and I will put in the grave as many as I can. It's time for me to kill and it's time for me to die; my genocide crusade begins... here!|The Crusader, aka Not Important}}

{{Topquote|Make it [[World of Darkness|dark]], make it [[Grimdark|grim]], make it [[ANGRY MARINES|tough]] but then, for the love of God, [[Comedy Marines|tell a joke]].|Joss Whedon giving a nice example on how to avoid being edgy even while creating a dark world}}

[[File:Marvel Edge.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Unabashed Edginess from the 1990s]]
'''Edginess''' refers to people trying too hard (or too aggressively) to make things more [[grimdark|tragic, violent]], controversial or cool. This often takes the form of senselessly driving a vague argument, a plotline or a scenario to its darkest possible outcome, all the while openly expressing their disdain for whoever "the establishment" is, rationalizing villains or finding a middle ground in discourses. Like most internet terminology, it has been beaten to death, resurrected hastily, and then beaten some more. Has no relation to ''[[Hunter: The Reckoning]]''.

Another far less negative use of the term is to describe something on the 'edge' of what's acceptable, pushing established boundaries of convention. For example, by this definition ''Batman: The Animated Series'' was edgy for making an animated series which defied expectations of how true to its base concept and generally well-written a show designed to sell toys could be. Some more examples of this would be Ren and Stimpy (which was crude and vulgar) or Invader Zim (which could get dark in subject matter, and used a fair bit of black humor); in both cases, a decent bit of the comedy was of the "I can't believe that they did ''THAT'' on a kid's cartoon show!" variety. A milder version of this was Sonic the Hedgehog in contrast to Mario. In 1989 the Simpsons was the Edgy take on the classic family sitcom archetype and in 1999 Family Guy had slotted itself in as the Edgy version of The Simpsons. For the 1990s and early 2000s Edgy was a favored term of cynical marketing types which drew the attention of the world's sarcastic snarkers, many of which came to congregate on sites such as 4chan.

An "edgelord" is someone who essentially is guilty of serial attempts to be edgy, like [[that guy]] at your tabletop role playing group who always, without fail, makes a specific type of self insert or wish fulfillment character; brooding loners skilled at violence who hate anyone else having authority over them, are anti-conformist and have a troubled past - all without the nuance or skill to actually pull it off (with their opponents often being stand-ins for whoever the edgelord considers "The Man™" such as big business, law enforcement or organized religion). The end result is they makes themselves look silly. "Art" done by edgelords contain characters who are as dark, brooding and as painfully unhappy as possible, conflicts have zero compromise, institutions are the villains unless the edgelord made them and any conflict of interest will have the worst possible outcome. In writing, edgelords will go out of their way to make the story extra depressing, and subject multiple aspects of it to an increased shock factor when it's clearly '''illogical''' to do so. Needless to say, it can drive a perfect idea to make an entertaining story into the shitter, grating the nerves of even the most jaded audience. When commenting, the "edgelord" will simply push any predicament in the artwork to the darkest, deepest, worst outcome, while describing his fantasies. For example: In an adult and/or bondage predicament picture, edgelords can be found describing a paragraph of horrible fate the captive would suffer, *should* suffer because slaves are shit, and *deserve* abuse, even when the picture was of a predicament with nothing in context. Or he will simply fill the comment of any NSFW picture with his own sick fantasies, surely adding "women DESERVE it".

This is not to say that said dark elements like murder, slavery, rape and bodily harm are bad for literature, but rather that their sloppy execution with no regard to their depth is. As shown above, even the most "edgelord" of concepts can be salvaged and even made bearable with proper handling, especially going by the latter definition - but if you do it enough, the boundaries shift and what was edgy becomes the new norm, and there is always the risk of falling ''over'' the edge. This is why the old definition has fallen increasingly out of favor as time has gone on — people began seeing the dross sold under the title of "edgy", and the idea of what it meant thus moved away from the positive connotations marketing execs desired and closer to the qualities described above. Plus, this is the internet, and people would rather a word just be an insult or a compliment to reduce confusion.

==The Anatomy of Edginess==
Edginess is in some ways like a cargo cult. During WWII in the Pacific, the US military set up bases on remote, but inhabited islands, bringing with them a lot of stuff like planes and cars and so forth that was quite amazing to the stone age natives, to whom the world had been a few dozen square kilometers of land surrounded by ocean, with hazy stories of other such islands. When the military left, some of the natives took to making coconut and wooden radios and flight towers based off of some vague recollection of the military variants, unaware that making the shape alone does not get you the functional item.

In that vein, most of what comes to mind when people envision "edgy" artworks tends to be the result of people who wanted to make ''morally grey'' characters and subject matter, but lack the maturity/experience/focus necessary to NOT end up with anything other than a multiple-personality-disordered mess. Someone with (at best) mediocre creative abilities sees some fiction that makes good use of melodrama, gritty settings, dark humor and such, made by people who know what the hell they're doing and figures "I can do that!", leading to said person haphazardly applying those elements incorrectly. The results of such efforts are either tiresome, unintentionally funny or just painful. The stereotypical teenager, especially one with gothic/emo tendencies, commonly embody this - all too eager for "adult" things (eg: violence, sex, etc.) in their limited perception of such, often born of denial. Individuals who pander to said demographic (or are otherwise just downright hacks) will favor this approach over any sense of complexity, subtlety, nuance and some actual understanding of the human condition.

===Edgy and [[Grimdark]]===
While edginess is frequently associated with invoking grimdark [[Derp|for the sake of it and nothing else]], it's important to remember that this alone does not edgy make. As an example, [[WH40K]]'s [[Imperium of Man]] has reasons to be fair and kind when capable: though it has plenty of genocide, xenocide (completely annihilating species even when they are gentle and kind), torture, forced labor (they draw the line at commercialized chattel slavery, but un-unionized indentured servitude is fair game), witch hunts and militarism that would give Hitler a chubby beyond the grave, said horrors have reasonable justifications. Aliens were buying and selling humans like pets and culling them by the billion, operating slaver outposts even in our solar system before the Emperor came into leading humanity into a roaring rampage of revenge. And regarding souls and the universe after the Heresy, any deviation from faith in the Emperor will ''literally'' send a human to hell upon death, with their soul becoming dæmon food (and/or sex toys).

Any mistreated machinery will attract foul entities and corruption that will fuck you up seven ways till Monday and chew you out; any ill-coaxed [[Machine Spirit]] will jam and blow up in your face; and any laxity will make [[Chaos]] cults pop up by the billion in a week. Then there's [[Necrons|the genocidal robots from another age]], [[Eldar|space elves that would murder a planet on the off chance that their]] [[Farseer]] would break a nail otherwise (and they're still the nice space elves despite that, as their [[Dark Eldar|webway dwelling cousins are even worse - murdering entire planets just because they like the sound of millions of people screaming]]), [[Orks|the ambulatory (AND belligerent) fungi that plague the entire galaxy in a series of wars]], and [[Tyranids|extragalactic horrors that intend to eat everyone's face.]] [[TL;DR]] The Imperium acts like an asshole Hitler/Hirohito bastard child because the alternative is much, MUCH worse.

At the level of narrative, the fact that things are very very bad is a core thematic element of this world. As pointed out there are reasons why things are so miserable in this world which flow logically and despite this there can be points of contrast. Imperials still have the same potential to love and be kind like modern real world humans do. The Tau are hopeful despite the evils of this world. Occasionally pragmatism can overcome the deep seeded prejudices to overcome greater evils, if only for a while. And even if it is preformed by Conscript Guardsmen, Commissars or Space Marines, each the product of horrendous military institutions, can fight to achieve acts of genuine (if still typically brutal) heroism.

Now if you want a senselessly edgy story in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, an example would be the now non-canon [[Khornate Knights]].

===In closing===
There are many paths to success for a storyteller, some of which include going over dark territory in various ways or by innovating and pushing boundaries. However, all of them require care and attention to detail to pull off well. Being dark is not a magic bullet for achieving profoundness without trying.

==Notable Edgelords==

===Comics===
* The Punisher (pictured above), depending on the writer. The ultimate example being in Garth Ennis' professionally published Hate Fic [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punisher_Kills_the_Marvel_Universe "Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe"] (and Ennis himself is quite the edgelord, for example, see below).
* Billy Butcher from The Boys, being Garth's anti-superpowers power fantasy (he even recycled Punisher's story arc from the comic linked above).
* Lord Edgelord, later Lord Edgegod from Slackwyrm Keep. He's aware, and <s>he's loving it</s>***CLANG!*** There's no love in edge, only chaos!
* Livewire from DC comics. An edgelord from the get-go being a shock jock whose targets included Superman for no good reason. Then after Superman tried to save her life in an accident she caused through her carelessness, she became a murderous supervillain bent on killing Superman.
* The Joker, depending on the writer.

===Film===
* Common in live-action adaptations of The Joker.
** ''The Dark Knight'' version (Heath Ledger version) was "edge with a point"; exploring of human evils regarding terrorism (minus ideological baggage).
** The ''Joker'' (2019) Joaquin Phoenix, though another "edge with a point" Joker; exploring the origins of evil (also minus ideological baggage).
** Jared Leto's Joker in "Suicide Squad" is an almost textbook example of pointless "edgelord".
* Tyler Durden from ''"Fight Club"''.
* [[Star Wars|Kylo Ren]] AKA Krylo Ben AKA Ben Swolo. The writers were doing it on purpose, to play up the First Order's dogmatic North Korea in space schtick, and to that end made Kylo an incredibly unsubtle Darth Vader pastiche. While "Kylo" may be the worst Skywalker ever, there is no denying that the edge is strong in his family. His mom's side are a bunch of crybaby desert backworlders with an incestuous sex drive and his dad was a scruffy, nerf herding spice smuggler - and all were war criminals, some with body counts in the hundred thousands and some with children's blood on their hands... He probably fits the mold better than we'd like to admit. Also his edge is undermined by fact that he never won a fight against [[Mary_Sue|Mar-Rey Sue Palpatine]] which doesn’t help things either.

===Video Games===
* [[/v/|Shadow the Hedgehog]] for the PS2/XBox/Gamecube. For the unfamiliar: An edgy game about a cartoon hedgehog shooting enemies, yet ESRB rated for Everyone 10 and up.
** The villain Infinite from ''Sonic Forces'', as a parody of edgy Villain Sue characters.
* Illidan Stormrage, Deathwing and Sylvanas Windrunner from the Warcraft franchise, to name some.
* Reaper from Overwatch.
* Caesar's Legion and Caesar himself in [[Fallout|Fallout: New Vegas]] (along with some of their fans and the writer who created them).
* Not Important aka The Antagonist aka The Crusader from Hatred. Imagine every trope related to edgy nihilistic spree shooters, push them to their uncomfortable extremes and then plop the result in a monochromatic mess of a game. What you get is the story about a very unlikable man with dialogue written by less likeable people (including an edgy as fuck death metal band) going around and killing everyone because...fuck you, it's edgy.

===Literature===
* [[Elric]] of Melnibone, arguably the first one.
* Euron Greyjoy, Littlefinger and Ramsay Bolton from [[A Song of Ice and Fire]].
===Tabletop Games===
* [[Blackguard]]s
* Warhammer 40k has too many to list them all, but the [[Black Templars]], the [[Marines Malevolent]], the [[Dark Eldar]] and most [[Chaos Space Marine|traitor marines]].
* [[Valnir the Reaper]], [[Nagash]] and most Dark Elves from Warhammer Fantasy.
** On that note, [[Malal]] among the Chaos Gods.
===Fan Works===
*[[Drizzt]] clones with extreme Alignment leanings, either towards good or evil.
*Various [[Original character, do not steal|fan-made]] and canon Sonic characters, particularly Shadow.
* The whole "*teleports behind you* Nothing personal kid. *stabs you*" meme originated as a parody of edgelord characters.
===Anime===
* Half of the [[Animu]] protagonists in existence. Bonus points if the genre is [[Isekai]], triple points if there's a harem involved.

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{{Topquote|As far as I can make out "edgy" occurs when middlebrow, middle-aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy--not to mention the spending money--out of the "youth culture." So they come up with this fake concept of "seeming to be dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan".|[[Daria 40k|Daria]], Episode [3.05] The Lost Girls.}}

{{Topquote|My name is Not Important; what is important is what I'm going to do. I just fucking hate this world, and the human worms feasting on its carcass. My whole life is just cold, bitter hatred, and I always wanted to die violently. This is the time of vengeance, and no life is worth saving, and I will put in the grave as many as I can. It's time for me to kill and it's time for me to die; my genocide crusade begins... here!|The Crusader, aka Not Important}}

{{Topquote|Make it [[World of Darkness|dark]], make it [[Grimdark|grim]], make it [[ANGRY MARINES|tough]] but then, for the love of God, [[Comedy Marines|tell a joke]].|Joss Whedon giving a nice example on how to avoid being edgy even while creating a dark world}}

[[File:Marvel Edge.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Unabashed Edginess from the 1990s]]
'''Edginess''' refers to people trying too hard (or too aggressively) to make things more [[grimdark|tragic, violent]], controversial or cool. This often takes the form of senselessly driving a vague argument, a plotline or a scenario to its darkest possible outcome, all the while openly expressing their disdain for whoever "the establishment" is, rationalizing villains or finding a middle ground in discourses. Like most internet terminology, it has been beaten to death, resurrected hastily, and then beaten some more. Has no relation to ''[[Hunter: The Reckoning]]''.

Another far less negative use of the term is to describe something on the 'edge' of what's acceptable, pushing established boundaries of convention. For example, by this definition ''Batman: The Animated Series'' was edgy for making an animated series which defied expectations of how true to its base concept and generally well-written a show designed to sell toys could be. Some more examples of this would be Ren and Stimpy (which was crude and vulgar) or Invader Zim (which could get dark in subject matter, and used a fair bit of black humor); in both cases, a decent bit of the comedy was of the "I can't believe that they did ''THAT'' on a kid's cartoon show!" variety. A milder version of this was Sonic the Hedgehog in contrast to Mario. In 1989 the Simpsons was the Edgy take on the classic family sitcom archetype and in 1999 Family Guy had slotted itself in as the Edgy version of The Simpsons. For the 1990s and early 2000s Edgy was a favored term of cynical marketing types which drew the attention of the world's sarcastic snarkers, many of which came to congregate on sites such as 4chan.

An "edgelord" is someone who essentially is guilty of serial attempts to be edgy, like [[that guy]] at your tabletop role playing group who always, without fail, makes a specific type of self insert or wish fulfillment character; brooding loners skilled at violence who hate anyone else having authority over them, are anti-conformist and have a troubled past - all without the nuance or skill to actually pull it off (with their opponents often being stand-ins for whoever the edgelord considers "The Man™" such as big business, law enforcement or organized religion). The end result is they makes themselves look silly. "Art" done by edgelords contain characters who are as dark, brooding and as painfully unhappy as possible, conflicts have zero compromise, institutions are the villains unless the edgelord made them and any conflict of interest will have the worst possible outcome. In writing, edgelords will go out of their way to make the story extra depressing, and subject multiple aspects of it to an increased shock factor when it's clearly '''illogical''' to do so. Needless to say, it can drive a perfect idea to make an entertaining story into the shitter, grating the nerves of even the most jaded audience. When commenting, the "edgelord" will simply push any predicament in the artwork to the darkest, deepest, worst outcome, while describing his fantasies. For example: In an adult and/or bondage predicament picture, edgelords can be found describing a paragraph of horrible fate the captive would suffer, *should* suffer because slaves are shit, and *deserve* abuse, even when the picture was of a predicament with nothing in context. Or he will simply fill the comment of any NSFW picture with his own sick fantasies, surely adding "women DESERVE it".

This is not to say that said dark elements like murder, slavery, rape and bodily harm are bad for literature, but rather that their sloppy execution with no regard to their depth is. As shown above, even the most "edgelord" of concepts can be salvaged and even made bearable with proper handling, especially going by the latter definition - but if you do it enough, the boundaries shift and what was edgy becomes the new norm, and there is always the risk of falling ''over'' the edge. This is why the old definition has fallen increasingly out of favor as time has gone on — people began seeing the dross sold under the title of "edgy", and the idea of what it meant thus moved away from the positive connotations marketing execs desired and closer to the qualities described above. Plus, this is the internet, and people would rather a word just be an insult or a compliment to reduce confusion.

==The Anatomy of Edginess==
Edginess is in some ways like a cargo cult. During WWII in the Pacific, the US military set up bases on remote, but inhabited islands, bringing with them a lot of stuff like planes and cars and so forth that was quite amazing to the stone age natives, to whom the world had been a few dozen square kilometers of land surrounded by ocean, with hazy stories of other such islands. When the military left, some of the natives took to making coconut and wooden radios and flight towers based off of some vague recollection of the military variants, unaware that making the shape alone does not get you the functional item.

In that vein, most of what comes to mind when people envision "edgy" artworks tends to be the result of people who wanted to make ''morally grey'' characters and subject matter, but lack the maturity/experience/focus necessary to NOT end up with anything other than a multiple-personality-disordered mess. Someone with (at best) mediocre creative abilities sees some fiction that makes good use of melodrama, gritty settings, dark humor and such, made by people who know what the hell they're doing and figures "I can do that!", leading to said person haphazardly applying those elements incorrectly. The results of such efforts are either tiresome, unintentionally funny or just painful. The stereotypical teenager, especially one with gothic/emo tendencies, commonly embody this - all too eager for "adult" things (eg: violence, sex, etc.) in their limited perception of such, often born of denial. Individuals who pander to said demographic (or are otherwise just downright hacks) will favor this approach over any sense of complexity, subtlety, nuance and some actual understanding of the human condition.

===Edgy and [[Grimdark]]===
While edginess is frequently associated with invoking grimdark [[Derp|for the sake of it and nothing else]], it's important to remember that this alone does not edgy make. As an example, [[WH40K]]'s [[Imperium of Man]] has reasons to be fair and kind when capable: though it has plenty of genocide, xenocide (completely annihilating species even when they are gentle and kind), torture, forced labor (they draw the line at commercialized chattel slavery, but un-unionized indentured servitude is fair game), witch hunts and militarism that would give Hitler a chubby beyond the grave, said horrors have reasonable justifications. Aliens were buying and selling humans like pets and culling them by the billion, operating slaver outposts even in our solar system before the Emperor came into leading humanity into a roaring rampage of revenge. And regarding souls and the universe after the Heresy, any deviation from faith in the Emperor will ''literally'' send a human to hell upon death, with their soul becoming dæmon food (and/or sex toys).

Any mistreated machinery will attract foul entities and corruption that will fuck you up seven ways till Monday and chew you out; any ill-coaxed [[Machine Spirit]] will jam and blow up in your face; and any laxity will make [[Chaos]] cults pop up by the billion in a week. Then there's [[Necrons|the genocidal robots from another age]], [[Eldar|space elves that would murder a planet on the off chance that their]] [[Farseer]] would break a nail otherwise (and they're still the nice space elves despite that, as their [[Dark Eldar|webway dwelling cousins are even worse - murdering entire planets just because they like the sound of millions of people screaming]]), [[Orks|the ambulatory (AND belligerent) fungi that plague the entire galaxy in a series of wars]], and [[Tyranids|extragalactic horrors that intend to eat everyone's face.]] [[TL;DR]] The Imperium acts like an asshole Hitler/Hirohito bastard child because the alternative is much, MUCH worse.

At the level of narrative, the fact that things are very very bad is a core thematic element of this world. As pointed out there are reasons why things are so miserable in this world which flow logically and despite this there can be points of contrast. Imperials still have the same potential to love and be kind like modern real world humans do. The Tau are hopeful despite the evils of this world. Occasionally pragmatism can overcome the deep seeded prejudices to overcome greater evils, if only for a while. And even if it is preformed by Conscript Guardsmen, Commissars or Space Marines, each the product of horrendous military institutions, can fight to achieve acts of genuine (if still typically brutal) heroism.

Now if you want a senselessly edgy story in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, an example would be the now non-canon [[Khornate Knights]].

===In closing===
There are many paths to success for a storyteller, some of which include going over dark territory in various ways or by innovating and pushing boundaries. However, all of them require care and attention to detail to pull off well. Being dark is not a magic bullet for achieving profoundness without trying.

==Notable Edgelords==

===Comics===
* The Punisher (pictured above), depending on the writer. The ultimate example being in Garth Ennis' professionally published Hate Fic [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punisher_Kills_the_Marvel_Universe "Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe"] (and Ennis himself is quite the edgelord, for example, see below).
* Billy Butcher from The Boys, being Garth's anti-superpowers power fantasy (he even recycled Punisher's story arc from the comic linked above).
* Lord Edgelord, later Lord Edgegod from Slackwyrm Keep. He's aware, and <s>he's loving it</s>***CLANG!*** There's no love in edge, only chaos!
* Livewire from DC comics. An edgelord from the get-go being a shock jock whose targets included Superman for no good reason. Then after Superman tried to save her life in an accident she caused through her carelessness, she became a murderous supervillain bent on killing Superman.
* The Joker, depending on the writer.

===Film===
* Common in live-action adaptations of The Joker.
** ''The Dark Knight'' version (Heath Ledger version) was "edge with a point"; exploring of human evils regarding terrorism (minus ideological baggage).
** The ''Joker'' (2019) Joaquin Phoenix, though another "edge with a point" Joker; exploring the origins of evil (also minus ideological baggage).
** Jared Leto's Joker in "Suicide Squad" is an almost textbook example of pointless "edgelord".
* Tyler Durden from ''"Fight Club"''.
* [[Star Wars|Kylo Ren]] AKA Krylo Ben AKA Ben Swolo. The writers were doing it on purpose, to play up the First Order's dogmatic North Korea in space schtick, and to that end made Kylo an incredibly unsubtle Darth Vader pastiche. While "Kylo" may be the worst Skywalker ever, there is no denying that the edge is strong in his family. His mom's side are a bunch of crybaby desert backworlders with an incestuous sex drive and his dad was a scruffy, nerf herding spice smuggler - and all were war criminals, some with body counts in the hundred thousands and some with children's blood on their hands... He probably fits the mold better than we'd like to admit. Also his edge is undermined by fact that he never won a fight against [[Mary_Sue|Mar-Rey Sue Palpatine]] which doesn’t help things either.

===Video Games===
* [[/v/|Shadow the Hedgehog]] for the PS2/XBox/Gamecube. For the unfamiliar: An edgy game about a cartoon hedgehog shooting enemies, yet ESRB rated for Everyone 10 and up.
** The villain Infinite from ''Sonic Forces'', as a parody of edgy Villain Sue characters.
* Illidan Stormrage, Deathwing and Sylvanas Windrunner from the Warcraft franchise.
* Reaper from Overwatch.
* Caesar's Legion and Caesar himself in [[Fallout|Fallout: New Vegas]] (along with some of their fans and the writer who created them).
* Not Important aka The Antagonist aka The Crusader from Hatred. Imagine every trope related to edgy nihilistic spree shooters, push them to their uncomfortable extremes and then plop the result in a monochromatic mess of a game. What you get is the story about a very unlikable man with dialogue written by less likeable people (including an edgy as fuck death metal band) going around and killing everyone because...fuck you, it's edgy.
===Literature===
* [[Elric]] of Melnibone, arguably the first one.
* Euron Greyjoy, Littlefinger and Ramsay Bolton from [[A Song of Ice and Fire]].
===Tabletop Games===
* [[Blackguard]]s
* Warhammer 40k has too many to list them all, but the [[Black Templars]], the [[Marines Malevolent]], the [[Dark Eldar]] and most [[Chaos Space Marine|traitor marines]].
* [[Valnir the Reaper]], [[Nagash]] and most Dark Elves from Warhammer Fantasy.
** On that note, [[Malal]] among the Chaos Gods.
===Fan Works===
*[[Drizzt]] clones with extreme Alignment leanings, either towards good or evil.
*Various [[Original character, do not steal|fan-made]] and canon Sonic characters, particularly Shadow.
* The whole "*teleports behind you* Nothing personal kid. *stabs you*" meme originated as a parody of edgelord characters.
===Anime===
* Half of the [[Animu]] protagonists in existence. Bonus points if the genre is [[Isekai]], triple points if there's a harem involved.

[[Category:Gamer Slang]]