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&lt;div&gt;{{topquote|Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge, which is power; religion gives man wisdom, which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals.|Martin Luther King, Jr}} &lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;&#039;Dracula&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;I was called here by, huuuuumans, who wish to pay me tribute!&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Richter Belmont&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;Tribute?! You steal men&#039;s souls! And make them your slaves!&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Dracula&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
::--An excerpt from the infamous exchange that also gave us &amp;quot;What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets&amp;quot; in [[Castlevania#Castlevania:_Symphony_Of_The_Night_.28Castlevania_9.29|Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Because it&#039;s important to several settings and RPG systems, particularly ones that are high-profile or relevant to /tg/, we have a religion article.  Let&#039;s try and keep it focused on the directly-related-to-/tg/ stuff and not descend into the pure [[skub]] that can arise in discussions of real-life religions, okay?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Definition of Religion==&lt;br /&gt;
Almost since the inception of the term, scholars have failed to agree on a definition of religion.  While there are some belief systems that always count as religions, some have applied the term to various things such as political ideologies, or groups when they reach a certain point.  There are however two general definition systems: the sociological/functional and the phenomenological/philosophical.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The two most widely accepted are:&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say things set apart and forbidden - beliefs and practices which unite into one single moral community called a church, all those who adhere to them.&amp;quot;	&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;a comprehensive worldview or &#039;metaphysical moral vision&#039; that is accepted as binding because it is held to be in itself basically true and just even if all dimensions of it cannot be either fully confirmed or refuted&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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As stated before, one common element that every religion which fits the criteria has is humanity&#039;s relation to supernatural forces, as all of them have at least one [[God|god]] and/or an afterlife even where there are exceptions; Buddhism doesn&#039;t have any gods but has afterlives, and Taoism doesn&#039;t have an afterlife but does have a pantheistic concept of a god as a supernatural force.&lt;br /&gt;
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Like other terms for heavily [[SJW|debated]] [[communism|subjects]], religion and religious have also been used as insults or Snarl Words in social and political discussions (especially from the 20th century and onwards) to ridicule groups openly promoting something the user disagrees with.  This snarl creates a caricature of the group to smear them by association with the worst excesses/negative stereotypes of real-world religious people (like being too preachy, judgmental, irrational, hypocritical, or pressuring everyone to convert).&lt;br /&gt;
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==Religion vs. Mythology==&lt;br /&gt;
While [[Mythology|mythologies]] aren&#039;t religions in and of themselves, every religion has a mythology.  While mythologies are merely the accounts of supernatural events, religions add rituals and practices that link those mythologies directly to the lives of their believers in one form or another, typically by describing how to properly serve to a god (or multiple gods, it depends) a significant role in the mythology a given religion is derived from. [[Skub|Whatever the source]], the mythology almost always predates the religion. As a result, especially since the Fantasy genre deals in supernatural beings and forces, most if not all fantasy settings have religions.  Science fiction does to a lesser degree, mostly because during the Golden Age of sci-fi empiricists and secular humanists were attracted to the genre and their views often seeped into their stories.  Despite this, given that most real-life societies have had religions playing a role in or since their founding, religions are still found in sci-fi.&lt;br /&gt;
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Religions involves belief systems and practices, where an adherent can call upon the power/being the religion is focused on to give them aid in [[cleric|various]] [[Paladin|ways]], depending at the very least on the religion and the task in question.  Given that religions are about people&#039;s place in the world, how it was made, ideas on how life should be lived and how humans should relate to the supernatural, they have major implications for societies.  Given that people can become [[Exarch|dangerously single-minded]] about a cause, people can be become extremists about their religion, regardless of the fact that [[Heironeous|some]] are more benevolent than [[Asmodeus|others]] and in numerous cases even [[Heresy|if it involves going against the religion&#039;s teachings]]; in conjunction with the above this means religious conflicts can become widespread, long-lasting, cause carnage and also involve other elements such as politics- both in fantasy and in the real world.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Role in Society==&lt;br /&gt;
A person&#039;s belief (for or against) any or all religions is a major factor in their worldview, and as such often serves as the undercurrent for all others. This is because this belief shapes people&#039;s views on the big things such as the purpose of life, how life should be lived in relation to oneself and others and what happens to people after they die. On the upside, this often leads to teachings with the goal of unity, peace, charity and co-operation as per the teachings of most religions, some of which are adapted by or also found among non-religious systems. On the downside, this can lead to clashes over how the people involved do the will of whichever beings or forces they follow, which religion should be followed or whether or not people should follow a god or religion at all.  This can involve arguments and factionalizing, or in some cases worse things like pogroms and wars. Since they are an overarching and fairly common element in cultures, they often appear or are referenced in fiction. &lt;br /&gt;
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The most common religious belief systems are the Abrahamic family of religions (primarily Judaism, Christianity and Islam) which are Monotheistic (belief in a singular God) and share many common elements and root, with - at the time this was written - Christianity being the most followed religion globally. Historically, these and other religions were frequently enshrined in law as the &amp;quot;state religion&amp;quot;, giving them special privileges such as extensive influence over the government or tax exemptions. In some cases, they even took over the functions of the government entirely in a system known as theocracy; while uncommon in the present day, theocracies are still in use in places such as the Vatican and Iran. &lt;br /&gt;
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Within the last few centuries, due to events such as the French Revolution, there has also been a significant amount of anti-religious sentiment, which regards religion as at best redundant and at worst destructive (beyond historical grievances with specific groups within religions, reasons for this view and whether or not those arguments have any merit, shall not be discussed here). For the most part, a combination of people identifying more with their culture or nation than their religion and the concept that religion and functions of state should not interfere with each other has turned into more of a &amp;quot;live and let live&amp;quot; mentality that doesn&#039;t really support or oppose any one religion and only reacts when said religions begin actively defying the state or the state starts bringing the boot down on a specific religion. &lt;br /&gt;
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Interestingly, numerous tyrannical regimes have tried to restrict or stamp out religions. This is because religious teachings put the figure/object of worship before the state in a conflict of interest, most religions teachings condemn many of the things tyrannical leaders indulge in, tyrants dislike competition for their subjects&#039; fealty, tyrants dislike being answerable to anyone besides themselves, the tyrant may be prejudiced, or any combo of the above. While nations have ususlly tried to block specific religions deemed &amp;quot;false&amp;quot; (read: religions opposing the state-sponsored religion in any way), several nations (usually [[Communism|Communist]] states which took Marx&#039;s &amp;quot;religion is the opiate of the masses&amp;quot; quote out of context, as Marx viewed religion was a sort of protest against oppression that relieved people&#039;s immediate suffering and gave them the strength to go on living while also drawing their attention away from the class system that produced their oppression; subsequently, he believed that following the establishment of a communist society, religion would disappear as it would no longer be needed) have tried to get rid of religion altogether, albeit with horrifying [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists results] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_rule_of_Cambodia#Religious_communities each] time.  Best case scenario, they sidegrade from one set of problems to another as cults of personality (commonly ones based on the ruler in charge) spring up to exploit the newly created power vacuum formerly filled by an established religion while believers who manage to survive the regime try to continue their activities in secret.&lt;br /&gt;
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Unsurprisingly, the most religious nations are the aforementioned theocracies, and apart from them are countries such as Brazil in South America or Ghana and Zambia in Africa (Zambia even has a state religion alongside a law that allows for freedom of religion).  China is - at the time this was written - the world&#039;s least religious and most atheistic country (the situation around North Korea is [[Skub|debatable]], since even though they violently supress religions [https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-publicly-executes-80-some-for-videos-or-bibles-report-says to the point that merely having copies of religious texts can be grounds for execution], they also have the Kim Cult blended with the Marxist offshoot ideology Juche).&lt;br /&gt;
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==How this impacts /tg/==&lt;br /&gt;
A few major ways.  Since most if not every society in real-life has had religion either be the basis for its founding or play a role in it, religion is just as involved in the backstory or current lore of settings.  There are three major &amp;quot;modes&amp;quot; of /tg/ settings and related fictions: &lt;br /&gt;
* The purely functional where religions are a story device.&lt;br /&gt;
* Religions and/or those they worship are portrayed positively as some sort of endorsement of religiosity.&lt;br /&gt;
* Religions and/or those  they worship are portrayed negatively as some sort of criticism of religiosity.&lt;br /&gt;
For ease of categorization, writers who use these modes will also be called proponents, detractors or functionalists (who can be pro, anti or neutral).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Religion as a story device/Functionalists===&lt;br /&gt;
Compared to the two types of writers found below, these writers are usually just attempting to model their work after real-world [[Mythology]] and are frequently attempting to keep their views of Religion separate from their work. Frequently comes in one of two subspecies:&lt;br /&gt;
* The [[Standard Fantasy Setting]] default: The world is ruled by an ordinary polytheistic pantheon, usually close to some admixture of Norse and Greek mythologies.  Some of them also have a Top God - one more powerful than all the others and maybe the in-universe creator of everything - who is mostly hands-off in cosmic affairs.  The gods of these religions tend to focus on specific areas (gods of [[Paladin|Justice]] and [[Druid|Nature]] are common, for subtly obvious reasons) and frequently want their followers to propagate or promote these things.  &lt;br /&gt;
* The kind of setting they wanted to make dictated the nature of the divine. For example, in [[Exalted]] just about all the figures anybody would call a &amp;quot;God&amp;quot; (besides the Exalted) are Useless, because the Exalted (which includes the Player Characters) are the guys who were made specifically to do whatever the gods needed them to do for reasons inherent to the setting, to go with the main theme of the setting for the PCs: &amp;quot;You can do &#039;&#039;&#039;almost anything&#039;&#039;&#039;, except &#039;&#039;avoid the consequences of being the one who did that anything&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Religion as a Bad Thing/Detractors=== &lt;br /&gt;
There are several writers of Science Fiction and Fantasy that are of the opinion &amp;quot;Religion Is Bad&amp;quot;, often alongside having an axe to grind (sometimes warranted, sometimes not) with either one or more specific real-life religions.  This is more common in Sci-Fi than fantasy because the focus on science appeals to the naturalist, empiricist and/or humanist worldview of such writers, with the supernatural being seen as an obstacle to that.  Despite that, the view is found among some fantasy authors as well, such as the author of the book series &amp;quot;His Dark Materials&amp;quot;, Philip Pullman (he wrote it as an anti-theistic and anti-religious response to C.S Lewis&#039; &amp;quot;Chronicles of Narnia&amp;quot; series). Whatever the genre, this comes in flavors of either &amp;quot;The Gods Don&#039;t Exist&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;The Gods are Incompetent&amp;quot; (more on that below) or &amp;quot;The Gods are Evil&amp;quot;.  Cosmic Horror also tends to use the &amp;quot;Gods Don&#039;t Exist&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Gods are Evil&amp;quot; route, or combine them into &amp;quot;The Gods are actually Incomprehensible and Destructive Aliens&amp;quot; (for example; the author who codified the genre, [[H.P. Lovecraft]], was an avowed anti-religious atheist).  This also has the side effect of inclining science fiction towards an atheistic perspective.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another major component is personal issues of the author such as grievance or prejudice, but that&#039;s case-by-case and a major can of worms.  A writer could have resentment against a specific religion or even the higher power a religion reveres (though opposition to a god or gods is called anti-theistic, not anti-religious), and single them out in their works due to personal bias or agenda.  Worst case scenario, the story is some sort of anti-religion wish fulfillment power fantasy - such as Frank Miller&#039;s &amp;quot;Holy Terror&amp;quot; comics against Islam and Garth Ennis&#039; &amp;quot;Preacher&amp;quot; comics (and their live-action adaptation) against Christianity.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Whatever the motivation, writers saying this message either model their fictional religions on the - occasionally exaggerated - worst excesses of real world religious people or use a fictional religion as a - usually obvious - stand-in or strawman of a real one.  The most frequently targeted religions are Christianity, Islam, any faith that practiced human sacrifice (such as the Aztec religious practices), and Scientology.  Cults, especially those with beliefs that mainstream religions consider unorthodox or outright heretical, are especially fertile ground for this message, albeit running the risk of being misapplied to tar other groups with the same brush.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Religion as a Good Thing/Proponents===&lt;br /&gt;
There are several Science Fiction and Fantasy writers who either are religious themselves and want to promote their worldview, look upon religion positively and put that into the story or both.  This is more common in Fantasy than Sci-fi, partly because with the supernatural being THE fundamental element of the genre, this gives opportunities to explore many aspects of religiosity.  This is less common in science-fiction, but not unheard of, such as Carl Sagan&#039;s novel &amp;quot;Contact&amp;quot; where God&#039;s signature is found in the digits of pi.  These authors usually put more thought into their fictional religion plus its central figure (although they have a tendency to go all &amp;quot;Crystal Dragon Jesus&amp;quot;), and try and have it be at least a somewhat good influence, although religious institutions and leaders are usually hit-and-miss affairs.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Some people make a fictional setting with figures from real-world religions, either in the real-world or [[CS Lewis|an alternate world (such as Narnia)]].  Others use fictional religions that either visually resemble real-life religions or figures from them; religions that often get this treatment are the Abrahamic faiths (most often Christianity), Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology and Norse mythology (albeit often a sanitized version of the latter three).  In other cases they all but abandon any form of subtlety, with the fictional religion being distinguished from the real-world religion the author follows by only a handful of minor changes. Naturally, those kinds of works tend to come off as preachy, to say the least. &lt;br /&gt;
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Another route this uses is the route that faith itself provides the power as per &amp;quot;[[Belief Function|Belief Function]]&amp;quot; (think Morpheus&#039; &amp;quot;your mind makes it real&amp;quot; quote, but applying at the cosmological level).  In fact, Warhammer often goes the route that the gods are powered by faith as well as from their sphere of influence which has either [[Sigmar|caused some people have risen to godhood]] or [[Ynnead|caused new gods to be born in the setting]]. In fact, this has proven the greatest weapon against Chaos in every Warhammer setting (and why the Emperor&#039;s plan to starve the Chaos Gods with atheism was doomed to fail from the start).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Somewhat special cases===&lt;br /&gt;
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One somewhat special case is the &amp;quot;Religion of Evil&amp;quot;; in many settings, there is a religion that is explicitly capital E Evil and seeks one of the usual &amp;quot;Card Carrying Villain&amp;quot; goals of Control, Conquest, Corruption, or Destruction.  Frequently has some admixture of the worst aspects of Roman Paganism, Norse practices, the Aztec, Scientology and/or the various Abrahamic religions.  They also often draw from those found in the writings of H.P Lovecraft.  If this cult directly worships an individual Evil God, expect whatever makes sense for that deity to be some form of destructive activity--e.g., the cult of the God of Murder demands human sacrifice on a regular basis, with a certain portion of that explicitly being not-careful-enough cultists.  Regardless, Religions of Evil can show up in all three above modes, and usually has a special purpose in all three:&lt;br /&gt;
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* All three types need bad guys.  In particular, a group who by definition is Evil is always good for some no-need-to-worry-about-the-ethics-or-morality-of-killing fodder (based on the idea that everyone in is group is evil because you have to do evil to be part of the group).  &lt;br /&gt;
* Religion is Bad types tend to use them to say either &amp;quot;while they&#039;re all Bad, some are worse then others&amp;quot;, that &amp;quot;Religion can be used to justify anything&amp;quot;, use it as a strawman to tar all with the same brush or they have a specific axe to grind (either against an entire religion, a group within that religion or individual adherents the author personally dislikes).  &lt;br /&gt;
* Religion is Good types or the sincerely religious tend to use them as analogies with fanaticism, criticize Real World cults, say &amp;quot;there is good religion so don&#039;t tar all with the same brush&amp;quot;, compare different beliefs or deal with negative aspects of religion (occasionally making jabs at competitive religions, or fellow believers the author disagrees with).&lt;br /&gt;
** As a side note, a lot of fantasy has moved slightly away from pure Religions of Evil, for much the same reason as [[Always Chaotic Evil]] races (audiences and authors nowdays demand more motive for their villains). While there are still plenty of them, they usually add some nuance that makes them at least morally neutral under their own lights.  Popular options are for them to be an off-shoot/denomination/subset of another religion and/or be taking vengeance for a real or perceived injustice (which has &#039;&#039;&#039;plenty&#039;&#039;&#039; of real-life precedent).&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Urban Fantasy]] writers are another special case, since almost all Urban Fantasy is set in something that might be called &amp;quot;the real world with a twist&amp;quot;, with all the usual political trouble that implies.  As a result, they can take one of a few routes:&lt;br /&gt;
* The most common route is &amp;quot;there are many possible explanations&amp;quot; and vague things up as much as possible ([[True Faith|Faith]] being the power that repels [[Vampire]]s rather than than a cross having any actual connection to a deity is a popular one). &lt;br /&gt;
* The second most common route (which is rarer outside of Cosmic Horror) is the &amp;quot;Religion as a Bad Thing&amp;quot; route from above.  The story is straight up atheistic/&amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; [[Imperial Truth|propaganda]], and in practice the writer often has an axe to grind against a specific religion.  It&#039;s a popular choice for writers trying to be [[Edgy]] who want to include religious subject matter in their stories, and they almost exclusively go after the most established religion in the area or any new cults that have emerged at the time.  Furthermore, any fictional religions will most likely be thinly-veiled stand-ins for real life religions.  &lt;br /&gt;
* Some Urban Fantasy works with a clear correct religion exist thanks to the above mentioned sincerely religious authors, which are typically [[Chick Tracts|barely veiled proselytizing]] or [[Twilight|just straight up terrible]], though [[Monster Hunter International|there are some good ones]].&lt;br /&gt;
* The fourth route, taken most notably by [[Supers|DC and Marvel comics]] among others, is to take an &amp;quot;All Myths are True&amp;quot; approach: All religions are sort of true, but none have any exclusivity to the Truth, so Thor and Athena might have the Archangel Michael on speeddial when the Orochi teams up with Apep to get up to no good and start making trouble in their neighborhoods (because &amp;quot;Mikey really likes kicking serpent tail, and gets annoyed when we don&#039;t at least try to invite him to an evil serpent ass-kicking.&amp;quot;). Differs from the &amp;quot;vague things up&amp;quot; route by being clearer on some details, and also much more gonzo.  The Abrahamic God is the exception here: He&#039;s usually kept especially vague, albeit more powerful (and yet infinitely less accessible) than anyone else in the setting, and only referred to by some codephrase (Marvel likes &amp;quot;The One Above All&amp;quot;, DC generally goes for &amp;quot;The Presence&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;whatever is behind the Source Wall&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Miscellaneous Observations===&lt;br /&gt;
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Doing the &amp;quot;The Gods are Incompetent&amp;quot; thing (the similar but different &amp;quot;The Gods are Insane&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;The Gods Are Assholes&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;The Gods Don&#039;t Actually Do Anything&amp;quot; routes also falls under this umbrella) can go into any of the three modes; in a sincere monotheist&#039;s (such as Christian) work, it can be a &amp;quot;Take That&amp;quot; to polytheistic religions; in a &amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; atheist&#039;s, it can be one to religion in general; in a Buddhist-influenced work, it can be a part of the whole &amp;quot;even the Gods are tied up in the Wheel of Karma&amp;quot; concept; and, even if the author is not pushing any religious message in any way, there&#039;s a neutral, plot-structural reason to go &amp;quot;Incompetent Gods&amp;quot;: it can make the adventurers the Most Competent People Available since if that wasn&#039;t the case there wouldn&#039;t be anything for the adventurers to do. &lt;br /&gt;
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If a work has multiple writers, (as frequently happens with RPG and Wargame settings, and quite a few popular SciFi/Fantasy ones as well) there&#039;s a tendency for the writers to try and pull the setting into one of the other two &amp;quot;modes&amp;quot; depending on their personal views.  This leads to the theme changing from one side to the other as the story progresses.  A recent example is [[World of Warcraft|the spate of retcons to the cosmology of the Warcraft universe]] and the morality of its fundamental forces/dominant higher powers, the Light and the Void.  If the story doesn&#039;t get focused on a pro-religion or anti-religion message, it may end up swinging back and forth between both sides or settle in a mid-point which doesn&#039;t take a strong stance either way.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Note that members of the &amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Religion is Good&amp;quot; brigades will get involved in arguments over the relative morality or &amp;quot;goodness&amp;quot; of various factions in the story and the accuracy of any messages a writer presents.  Often history buffs will throw their hat into the ring as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Examples of /tg/ connected fictional religions==&lt;br /&gt;
===Warhammer 40k===&lt;br /&gt;
* The [[Imperial Truth]] was originally the Emperor&#039;s plan on beliefs, which he and his servants propagated throughout the galaxy during the Great Crusade. Attempting to wean mankind away from Chaos and being a firm member of the &amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; brigade, the Emperor proclaimed there are no gods, and religion had to be abolished willingly or by force while science or reason are to be used for explaining the universe and morality.  Everything transpired according to his design, except theistic religiosity in the 40k universe is the best weapon against Chaos so Emps&#039; interstellar state atheism policy gave them a major opening.  Things went from bad to worse when people started looking up to the Emperor as a god himself, [[Exterminatus|he responded accordingly]], and the Chaos Gods got a new tool in the form of [[Lorgar]].  After the Horus Heresy and the Emperor&#039;s removal from galactic politics: the Imperial Truth was slowly shelved in favor of the Imperial Cult, to the point that espousing the teachings of the Truth is ironically considered heresy. Only a few practitioners of the Imperial Truth remain, most notably the Custodes and the Space Marines (both of whom know The Emperor better than anybody to worship him as a god. Plus, their religious autonomy.).&lt;br /&gt;
** The [[Imperial Cult]] is the present-day religion of the Imperium of Man, and is a mix of several Abrahamic Religions along with copious amounts of warmongering, fanaticism and xenophobia.  Derived from the Lectitio Divinatus penned by [[Lorgar]] pre-HH, the Cult decrees that because the Emperor is capable of all these miracles and power: he &#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039; be a god, and why you should worship and pledge loyalty to him.  Its a complete 180 from the Emperor&#039;s original teachings, and has simultaneously been responsible for damning and saving the Imperium past the clusterfuck of the Horus Heresy.  It&#039;s unknown whether the Emperor still abhors godhood and religion and would abolish it the moment he could, or if he&#039;s resigned himself to becoming the very thing he fought against for mankind to persevere in these trying times.  Whatever the case, he didn&#039;t want to be a god, but now he has no choice but to become one.&lt;br /&gt;
** The [[Adeptus Mechanicus|Cult Mechanicus]] (Machine Cult) is the religion of the Adeptus Mechanicus, placing a heavy emphasis on machines, viewing them as gifts from the Machine God called &amp;quot;The Omnissiah&amp;quot; Officially, the Omnissiah is The Emperor, which allows the Mechanicus to sidestep the more puritan pundits of the Imperial Cult (we worship The Emprah, just not how you do it). Unofficially, the Omnissiah may or may not be the C&#039;tan god: The Void Dragon. It also has a high emphasis on the collection of knowledge, and one of the Admech&#039;s roles in the galaxy is to explore remote and uncharted regions of space to find and search for knowledge that has been lost throughout the millennia. The last of these, is guidelines on machines and knowledge. Officially, heretic(tek) and xeno works are to be abhorred and disposed of, viewing them as perversions of the holy Machine God&#039;s works. Unofficially however, more liberally-minded and higher-ranked Magos would happily hoard heretek/xeno works, seeing their potential over the more restricted and constrained works of the Mechanicus.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Chaos is a violent and complicated henotheistic (believing in multiple gods but only worshipping one) or polytheistic religion with dozens, if not hundreds of interpretations.  Even then, there&#039;s more sub-cults that worship their particular god in a specific way, either minutely or vastly different from everyone else among followers of the Big 4.  And this doesn&#039;t even get into the realm of Chaos Undivided (which worships the concept of Chaos itself, instead of the individual gods) and [[Malal]].  Chaos has very little established guidelines regarding worship, apart from their patron god&#039;s/gods&#039; general likes/dislikes, so any religious practices or rituals are either based on commands from the god/s or up to the imagination of the cult.&lt;br /&gt;
** Interestingly, there is a Space Marine of the Chaos faction who follows the Imperial Truth, and that is [[Fabius Bile]].&lt;br /&gt;
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* All Greenskins worship Gork and Mork (jury&#039;s out on whether the [[Gretchin Revolutionary Committee]] do), but are too disorganized to have anything like a formal religion, though they do make effigies of Gork and Mork and call on them.  The closest thing they have to tenants is that Gork favors violence, Mork favors cunning.  Greenskins have gotten into fights over this, but violence is part of their nature and that of their gods.  While they fight over religion, they also fight over almost any dispute anyway, and may even start a religious argument just to enjoy a good fight among themselves (though the only theological argument they can formulate is &amp;quot;is Gork the god of cunning or is Mork?&amp;quot; or vica versa). On the surface, religion does not play a big-enough role in Ork society compared to other races, being just another outlet for Orks to fight about. But if [[Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka|Ghazghkull]] is any indication: religion can have a great impact on Orks, with him being becoming one of the greatest Warlords in the galaxy, primarily because he thinks he&#039;s personally blessed by Gork and Mork themselves. So if you throw in the Orks&#039; gestalt field into the mix, its likely that its not that religion doesn&#039;t matter to them, it&#039;s under-utilized.&lt;br /&gt;
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* The Tau&#039;s creed &amp;quot;The [[Greater Good]]&amp;quot; is a specie-wide philosophy that was adopted ever since the initial unification of the Tau in the olden days. In a nutshell, the Greater Good emphasizes the co-existence of all Tau and sapient life in general into working together for a common goal to further the Tau&#039;s progress, seeing everyone&#039;s potential and hoping to utilize that for an, ahem, greater good. Personal religion isn&#039;t forbidden, but it must not contradict or override The Greater Good, and must be disregarded if it ever does so.  Technically, this means Tau can be religious or non-religious, as the Greater Good is not a religion (due to lacking an afterlife and supernatural aspects, with the closest things to figures of worship being the Ethereals).  This sounds all fine and dandy, but the Ethereal class, who are responsible for maintaining The Greater Good, have been shown to be less benevolent than believed and have been using their unnaturally powerful charisma to subtly oppress the Tau and use them to further their own agendas.&lt;br /&gt;
**The Farsight Enclaves, who have thrown off Ethereal rule, are the exception in that they have rejected The Greater Good, seeing it as the method of oppression used to keep the T&#039;au under complete control of the ethereals.  Due to this, if one considers the Greater Good a religion, The Enclaves are irreligious.&lt;br /&gt;
**As of the 4th Sphere Expansion disaster, Chaos Tau are starting to become a thing.&lt;br /&gt;
**At one point, the Earth Caste gathered Genestealer-infected Tau and studied them to see what would happen.  Of course, a Genestealer cult developed and naturally they violently escaped control and surveillance.   According to rumors, they&#039;ve even produced a Genestealer-infected Ethereal. &lt;br /&gt;
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* The Eldar have varying views on religiosity depending on their type.  Their religion is polytheistic, with henotheistic offshoots, and Ausryan was the highest ranking god.  However all of the Eldar gods were murder-raped to death by Slaanesh except for Isha (taken by Nurgle), Khaine (shattered and flung into realspace), Cegorach (hiding in the Webway) and Ynnead (born long after Slaanesh&#039;s birth).  Their Pantheon&#039;s religious practices aren&#039;t fleshed out save for those of Cegorach, Isha, and Khaine, via the Harlequins and Aspect Warriors.  With most of their gods out of commission, Eldar religious worship is of a deistic bent.&lt;br /&gt;
** Craftworlders and Exodites almost exclusively worship the original Eldar pantheon, though some engage in henotheistic worship of only one of the gods.  Asuryan is more popular among Craftworlders while Isha is among Exodites, though nearly all give Khaine some tribute during war.&lt;br /&gt;
** Corsairs are all over the place, though Khaine is a popular choice given their more militant nature.  &lt;br /&gt;
** Being agents of the Laughing God himself, the Harlequins&#039; worship is centered around [[Cegorach]], whilst still paying minor tribute to the other gods.&lt;br /&gt;
** The new faith around Ynnead, the Ynnari, is rapidly growing but have yet to establish teachings or rituals. &lt;br /&gt;
** Unique among the Eldar, the Dark Eldar are irreligious for the most part and while they believe some gods exist they&#039;re too self-centered to worship them (this is canon).  They&#039;re often also anti-religious to boot; a major landmark of Commorragh is a landfill of religious icons called Iconoclast&#039;s Mound, and one Wych cult - the Pain Eternal - revolves around killing religious people and destroying shrines and holy sites.  The sole exception, except for Dark Eldar who stop being Dark Eldar, are the [[Incubi]] who hold [[Khaine]] in high regard.&lt;br /&gt;
** There are numerous rumors of a very small number of Chaos Eldar, but these are barely fleshed out and heavily classified in-universe.  There have been verified Nurgle-worshipping Eldar and persistent rumors that some have embraced Slaanesh without becoming soul-food.  Apart from this, some Dark Eldar have been willing to summon Chaos Daemons or work with Chaos worshippers ([[Fabius Bile|or allies of Chaos]]) to further their own ends.  &lt;br /&gt;
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* While the Necrontyr had religions before certain [[C&#039;tan|star entities]] [[Necrons|roboticizied them]], those aren&#039;t fleshed out or detailed.  Its also heavily implied the C&#039;tan co-opted the Necrontyr religion beforehand.  With the change to Necrons taking the higher though processes of most of them, any Necrons who can comprehend faith and religiosity either worship the C&#039;tan or have become irreligious.&lt;br /&gt;
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* The Tyranids themselves are irreligious, being spehss bugs and all, but understand at least a few of the advantages of religion.  [[Genestealer]]s infect people and together they establish cults on targeted worlds, such as one worshipping &amp;quot;Children of the Stars&amp;quot;, a perversion of the Imperial Cult (such as one that worships a [[Swarmlord|four-armed]] version of the Emperor) or something else like &amp;quot;Celebrants of Nihilism&amp;quot; (yes, that&#039;s a canon Genestealer cult name).  Psychic influence is often involved and, notably, the Genestealers do not consider themselves gods.  Once the Tyranids arrive en-masse, the cult-gets assimilated along with all non-Tyranids willingly or not.  An interesting tidbit is that the Hive Mind stops the Tyranids from attacking the cultists in early stages of the invasion and leads them on, only to later override the Genestealers&#039; wills and and make them slaughter the cultists.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Dungeons and Dragons===  &lt;br /&gt;
* Among Dungeons and Dragons settings, [[Planescape]], [[Eberron]], and [[Pathfinder]] are notable for having some coherent things that could be called &amp;quot;Religions&amp;quot;, rather then the usual generic Pantheism.&lt;br /&gt;
** Most of Planescape&#039;s Factions effectively count as religions, to the point they can produce [[Cleric]]s ([[Planescape: Torment#Fall-From-Grace|Atheist ones at that]]). Yes, even the Athar. (Perhaps &#039;&#039;especially&#039;&#039; the Athar.)&lt;br /&gt;
** Half of Eberron&#039;s religions aren&#039;t worship of deities. The [[Blood of Vol]] seeks to unlock the divinity within one&#039;s self and rejects the gods (if they even exist) and the [[Path of Inspiration]] seeks to improve their next reincarnation. The Undying Court worships not gods but their undead ancestors that make up their government. The [[Path of Light]], [[Warforged_Mysteries#The_Becoming_God|Becoming God]] and [[Warforged_Mysteries#The_Reforged|Reforged]] all seek to &#039;&#039;create&#039;&#039; a deity. Even some interpretations of the [[Sovereign Host]], like the one most common among dragons, don&#039;t worship them as deities. Due to the way divine casting works in Eberron, all of these can produce divine casters.&lt;br /&gt;
** There&#039;s a handful of religions on [[Golarion]] that aren&#039;t merely worship of pantheons. The most prominent (read: Actually has mechanical support) is the [[Prophecies of Kalistrade]], which is basically fantasy [[Star Trek|Ferengi]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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* [[D20 Modern]]&#039;s [[Urban Arcana]], unusually for urban fantasy, has D&amp;amp;D deities bleed into reality alongside the monsters. You are still able to play a &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;cleric&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; &amp;quot;acolyte&amp;quot; of any real world deity despite this.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Star Wars===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Star Wars]] is inconsistent on if the [[The Force]] is a religion.  The Jedi and the Sith &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; both be considered religions as they are considered monastic, but mix in several other traits such as being meritocratic (Jedi) and kraterocratic (Sith) and Lucas himself has axed at least one prototyped book for portraying them too much as a religion.  It&#039;s also notable that the Sith were former Jedi who left the Jedi path for several reasons including [[Heresy|disagreements over the teachings of that creed]].  Aside from that, religion is nearly always a non-human tradition, something noted in a culture&#039;s historical background and never seen implying its extinction, or a scam.  The religiously linked &amp;quot;damn&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;hell&amp;quot; are the two real world swear words that exist in-universe, purely because Han Solo used them in the films, and some concept of an &amp;quot;angel&amp;quot; exists because a young Anakin told Padme about them in the prequel trilogy films.&lt;br /&gt;
** There are rare exceptions where a religion is fleshed out and explored, and the writing goes various directions for better or worse.  A notable example is the aggressive polytheistic religion of the antagonistic Yuuzhan Vong from the EU (which the story gradually revealed was long ago perverted from benevolent roots, and this perverted form takes a few cues from Islam and Aztec mythology).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Star Trek===&lt;br /&gt;
* Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry had a low opinion of religion and in his vision humanity had done away with it and was better off for it and he had no interest in adding it to the aliens.  However, some of the cast and crew disagreed and occasionally references and religions found their way into the show, which increased after Roddenberry&#039;s death.  The Federation&#039;s culture is distinctly humanistic (extending the concept to alien species) in it&#039;s outlook in which religion is regarded as a thing of the past.&lt;br /&gt;
** While there are plenty of &amp;quot;Godlike&amp;quot; entities in Star Trek, almost all are treated as Sufficiently Advanced Aliens in the Arthur C. Clarke sense--and in particular, in ST:TNG, the flip side, that Picard and his crew are frequently shown to look like Gods to sufficiently primitive aliens, is gone into in more than one episode.&lt;br /&gt;
** The Bajorans are a highly religious alien race, with the majority following peaceful teachings and a minority of violent extremists.  &lt;br /&gt;
*** Of some note, the Bajoran religion is of interest because their &amp;quot;Gods&amp;quot; actually exist, and can be (somewhat incomprehensibly) talked to (a rarity outside of [[Science Fantasy]]). In other words, they were frequently a method of having some religion vs. science debates where the divine entity (A) explicitly exists, (B) is explainable as &amp;quot;sufficiently advanced and unusual aliens&amp;quot;, and (C) aren&#039;t jerks, just bad at communication with those of us who experience time linearly--in other words, with a deck that wasn&#039;t quite as badly stacked. The religiosity was meant to be as a way of contrasting the Starfleet personnel with the native population and to draw a parallel between Bajorans under the Cardassian Occupation and various real world recently freed oppressed religious-slash-ethnic groups.&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;In the fifth Star Trek movie, &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;The Final Frontier&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;, some of the crew steal the Enterprise to look for God and instead find a powerful alien being impersonating God in the center of the universe&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; &#039;&#039;&#039;Just like there is no live-action movie of Avatar: The Last Airbender, there is totally no Star Trek 5!&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===World of Darkness===&lt;br /&gt;
* Very large books could be written about religion and [[World of Darkness]]/Chronicles of Darkness. We&#039;ll just cover a few highlights:&lt;br /&gt;
** From [[Vampire: The Requiem]], there&#039;s the the Lancea et Sanctum, which might be best described as &amp;quot;Christianity for Vampires&amp;quot;, and the Circle of the Crone, which is &amp;quot;Pagan Vampires&amp;quot;. Both have Vampire miracles on tap (pun intended).&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Hunter: The Vigil]] has various religious organizations among the Compacts and Conspiracies, some very similar to real world ones, others...not so much. &lt;br /&gt;
** [[Mage: The Ascension]] has various religious Traditions, portrayed in that highly-stereotypical and highly-depending-on-the-author way typical of old WoD.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Mythology]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{topquote|Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge, which is power; religion gives man wisdom, which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals.|Martin Luther King, Jr}} &lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;&#039;Dracula&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;I was called here by, huuuuumans, who wish to pay me tribute!&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Richter Belmont&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;Tribute?! You steal men&#039;s souls! And make them your slaves!&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Dracula&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
::--An excerpt from the infamous exchange that also gave us &amp;quot;What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets&amp;quot; in [[Castlevania#Castlevania:_Symphony_Of_The_Night_.28Castlevania_9.29|Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Because it&#039;s important to several settings and RPG systems, particularly ones that are high-profile or relevant to /tg/, we have a religion article.  Let&#039;s try and keep it focused on the directly-related-to-/tg/ stuff and not descend into the pure [[skub]] that can arise in discussions of real-life religions, okay?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Definition of Religion==&lt;br /&gt;
Almost since the inception of the term, scholars have failed to agree on a definition of religion.  While there are some belief systems that always count as religions, some have applied the term to various things such as political ideologies, or groups when they reach a certain point.  There are however two general definition systems: the sociological/functional and the phenomenological/philosophical.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The two most widely accepted are:&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say things set apart and forbidden - beliefs and practices which unite into one single moral community called a church, all those who adhere to them.&amp;quot;	&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;a comprehensive worldview or &#039;metaphysical moral vision&#039; that is accepted as binding because it is held to be in itself basically true and just even if all dimensions of it cannot be either fully confirmed or refuted&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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As stated before, one common element that every religion which fits the criteria has is humanity&#039;s relation to supernatural forces, as all of them have at least one [[God|god]] and/or an afterlife even where there are exceptions; Buddhism doesn&#039;t have any gods but has afterlives, and Taoism doesn&#039;t have an afterlife but does have a pantheistic concept of a god as a supernatural force.&lt;br /&gt;
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Like other terms for heavily [[SJW|debated]] [[communism|subjects]], religion and religious have also been used as insults or Snarl Words in social and political discussions (especially from the 20th century and onwards) to ridicule groups openly promoting something the user disagrees with.  This snarl creates a caricature of the group to smear them by association with the worst excesses/negative stereotypes of real-world religious people (like being too preachy, judgmental, irrational, hypocritical, or pressuring everyone to convert).&lt;br /&gt;
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==Religion vs. Mythology==&lt;br /&gt;
While [[Mythology|mythologies]] aren&#039;t religions in and of themselves, every religion has a mythology.  While mythologies are merely the accounts of supernatural events, religions add rituals and practices that link those mythologies directly to the lives of their believers in one form or another, typically by describing how to properly serve to a god (or multiple gods, it depends) a significant role in the mythology a given religion is derived from. [[Skub|Whatever the source]], the mythology almost always predates the religion. As a result, especially since the Fantasy genre deals in supernatural beings and forces, most if not all fantasy settings have religions.  Science fiction does to a lesser degree, mostly because during the Golden Age of sci-fi empiricists and secular humanists were attracted to the genre and their views often seeped into their stories.  Despite this, given that most real-life societies have had religions playing a role in or since their founding, religions are still found in sci-fi.&lt;br /&gt;
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Religions involves belief systems and practices, where an adherent can call upon the power/being the religion is focused on to give them aid in [[cleric|various]] [[Paladin|ways]], depending at the very least on the religion and the task in question.  Given that religions are about people&#039;s place in the world, how it was made, ideas on how life should be lived and how humans should relate to the supernatural, they have major implications for societies.  Given that people can become [[Exarch|dangerously single-minded]] about a cause, people can be become extremists about their religion, regardless of the fact that [[Heironeous|some]] are more benevolent than [[Asmodeus|others]] and in numerous cases even [[Heresy|if it involves going against the religion&#039;s teachings]]; in conjunction with the above this means religious conflicts can become widespread, long-lasting, cause carnage and also involve other elements such as politics- both in fantasy and in the real world.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Role in Society==&lt;br /&gt;
A person&#039;s belief (for or against) any or all religions is a major factor in their worldview, and as such often serves as the undercurrent for all others. This is because this belief shapes people&#039;s views on the big things such as the purpose of life, how life should be lived in relation to oneself and others and what happens to people after they die. On the upside, this often leads to teachings with the goal of unity, peace, charity and co-operation as per the teachings of most religions, some of which are adapted by or also found among non-religious systems. On the downside, this can lead to clashes over how the people involved do the will of whichever beings or forces they follow, which religion should be followed or whether or not people should follow a god or religion at all.  This can involve arguments and factionalizing, or in some cases worse things like pogroms and wars. Since they are an overarching and fairly common element in cultures, they often appear or are referenced in fiction. &lt;br /&gt;
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The most common religious belief systems are the Abrahamic family of religions (primarily Judaism, Christianity and Islam) which are Monotheistic (belief in a singular God) and share many common elements and root, with - at the time this was written - Christianity being the most followed religion globally. Historically, these and other religions were frequently enshrined in law as the &amp;quot;state religion&amp;quot;, giving them special privileges such as extensive influence over the government or tax exemptions. In some cases, they even took over the functions of the government entirely in a system known as theocracy; while uncommon in the present day, theocracies are still in use in places such as the Vatican and Iran. &lt;br /&gt;
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Within the last few centuries, due to events such as the French Revolution, there has also been a significant amount of anti-religious sentiment, which regards religion as at best redundant and at worst destructive (beyond historical grievances with specific groups within religions, reasons for this view and whether or not those arguments have any merit, shall not be discussed here). For the most part, a combination of people identifying more with their culture or nation than their religion and the concept that religion and functions of state should not interfere with each other has turned into more of a &amp;quot;live and let live&amp;quot; mentality that doesn&#039;t really support or oppose any one religion and only reacts when said religions begin actively defying the state or the state starts bringing the boot down on a specific religion. &lt;br /&gt;
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Interestingly, numerous tyrannical regimes have tried to restrict or stamp out religions. This is because religious teachings put the figure/object of worship before the state in a conflict of interest, most religions teachings condemn many of the things tyrannical leaders indulge in, tyrants dislike competition for their subjects&#039; fealty, tyrants dislike being answerable to anyone besides themselves, the tyrant may be prejudiced, or any combo of the above. While nations have ususlly tried to block specific religions deemed &amp;quot;false&amp;quot; (read: religions opposing the state-sponsored religion in any way), several nations (usually [[Communism|Communist]] states which took Marx&#039;s &amp;quot;religion is the opiate of the masses&amp;quot; quote out of context, as Marx viewed religion was a sort of protest against oppression that relieved people&#039;s immediate suffering and gave them the strength to go on living while also drawing their attention away from the class system that produced their oppression; subsequently, he believed that following the establishment of a communist society, religion would disappear as it would no longer be needed) have tried to get rid of religion altogether, albeit with horrifying [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists results] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_rule_of_Cambodia#Religious_communities each] time.  Best case scenario, they sidegrade from one set of problems to another as cults of personality (commonly ones based on the ruler in charge) spring up to exploit the newly created power vacuum formerly filled by an established religion while believers who manage to survive the regime try to continue their activities in secret.&lt;br /&gt;
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Unsurprisingly, the most religious nations are the aforementioned theocracies, and apart from them are countries such as Brazil in South America or Ghana and Zambia in Africa (Zambia even has a state religion alongside a law that allows for freedom of religion).  China is - at the time this was written - the world&#039;s least religious and most atheistic country (the situation around North Korea is [[Skub|debatable]], since even though they violently supress religions [https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-publicly-executes-80-some-for-videos-or-bibles-report-says to the point that merely having copies of religious texts can be grounds for execution], they also have the Kim Cult blended with the Marxist offshoot ideology Juche).&lt;br /&gt;
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==How this impacts /tg/==&lt;br /&gt;
A few major ways.  Since most if not every society in real-life has had religion either be the basis for its founding or play a role in it, religion is just as involved in the backstory or current lore of settings.  There are three major &amp;quot;modes&amp;quot; of /tg/ settings and related fictions: &lt;br /&gt;
* The purely functional where religions are a story device.&lt;br /&gt;
* Religions and/or those they worship are portrayed positively as some sort of endorsement of religiosity.&lt;br /&gt;
* Religions and/or those  they worship are portrayed negatively as some sort of criticism of religiosity.&lt;br /&gt;
For ease of categorization, writers who use these modes will also be called proponents, detractors or functionalists (who can be pro, anti or neutral).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Religion as a story device/Functionalists===&lt;br /&gt;
Compared to the two types of writers found below, these writers are usually just attempting to model their work after real-world [[Mythology]] and are frequently attempting to keep their views of Religion separate from their work. Frequently comes in one of two subspecies:&lt;br /&gt;
* The [[Standard Fantasy Setting]] default: The world is ruled by an ordinary polytheistic pantheon, usually close to some admixture of Norse and Greek mythologies.  Some of them also have a Top God - one more powerful than all the others and maybe the in-universe creator of everything - who is mostly hands-off in cosmic affairs.  The gods of these religions tend to focus on specific areas (gods of [[Paladin|Justice]] and [[Druid|Nature]] are common, for subtly obvious reasons) and frequently want their followers to propagate or promote these things.  &lt;br /&gt;
* The kind of setting they wanted to make dictated the nature of the divine. For example, in [[Exalted]] just about all the figures anybody would call a &amp;quot;God&amp;quot; (besides the Exalted) are Useless, because the Exalted (which includes the Player Characters) are the guys who were made specifically to do whatever the gods needed them to do for reasons inherent to the setting, to go with the main theme of the setting for the PCs: &amp;quot;You can do &#039;&#039;&#039;almost anything&#039;&#039;&#039;, except &#039;&#039;avoid the consequences of being the one who did that anything&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Religion as a Bad Thing/Detractors=== &lt;br /&gt;
There are several writers of Science Fiction and Fantasy that are of the opinion &amp;quot;Religion Is Bad&amp;quot;, often alongside having an axe to grind (sometimes warranted, sometimes not) with either one or more specific real-life religions.  This is more common in Sci-Fi than fantasy because the focus on science appeals to the naturalist, empiricist and/or humanist worldview of such writers, with the supernatural being seen as an obstacle to that.  Despite that, the view is found among some fantasy authors as well, such as the author of the book series &amp;quot;His Dark Materials&amp;quot;, Philip Pullman (he wrote it as an anti-theistic and anti-religious response to C.S Lewis&#039; &amp;quot;Chronicles of Narnia&amp;quot; series). Whatever the genre, this comes in flavors of either &amp;quot;The Gods Don&#039;t Exist&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;The Gods are Incompetent&amp;quot; (more on that below) or &amp;quot;The Gods are Evil&amp;quot;.  Cosmic Horror also tends to use the &amp;quot;Gods Don&#039;t Exist&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Gods are Evil&amp;quot; route, or combine them into &amp;quot;The Gods are actually Incomprehensible and Destructive Aliens&amp;quot; (for example; the author who codified the genre, [[H.P. Lovecraft]], was an avowed anti-religious atheist).  This also has the side effect of inclining science fiction towards an atheistic perspective.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another major component is personal issues of the author such as grievance or prejudice, but that&#039;s case-by-case and a major can of worms.  A writer could have resentment against a specific religion or even the higher power a religion reveres (though opposition to a god or gods is called anti-theistic, not anti-religious), and single them out in their works due to personal bias or agenda.  Worst case scenario, the story is some sort of anti-religion wish fulfillment power fantasy - such as Frank Miller&#039;s &amp;quot;Holy Terror&amp;quot; comics against Islam and Garth Ennis&#039; &amp;quot;Preacher&amp;quot; comics (and their live-action adaptation) against Christianity.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Whatever the motivation, writers saying this message either model their fictional religions on the - occasionally exaggerated - worst excesses of real world religious people or use a fictional religion as a - usually obvious - stand-in or strawman of a real one.  The most frequently targeted religions are Christianity, Islam, any faith that practiced human sacrifice (such as the Aztec religious practices), and Scientology.  Cults, especially those with beliefs that mainstream religions consider unorthodox or outright heretical, are especially fertile ground for this message, albeit running the risk of being misapplied to tar other groups with the same brush.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Religion as a Good Thing/Proponents===&lt;br /&gt;
There are several Science Fiction and Fantasy writers who either are religious themselves and want to promote their worldview, look upon religion positively and put that into the story or both.  This is more common in Fantasy than Sci-fi, partly because with the supernatural being THE fundamental element of the genre, this gives opportunities to explore many aspects of religiosity.  This is less common in science-fiction, but not unheard of, such as Carl Sagan&#039;s novel &amp;quot;Contact&amp;quot; where God&#039;s signature is found in the digits of pi.  These authors usually put more thought into their fictional religion plus its central figure (although they have a tendency to go all &amp;quot;Crystal Dragon Jesus&amp;quot;), and try and have it be at least a somewhat good influence, although religious institutions and leaders are usually hit-and-miss affairs.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Some people make a fictional setting with figures from real-world religions, either in the real-world or [[CS Lewis|an alternate world (such as Narnia)]].  Others use fictional religions that either visually resemble real-life religions or figures from them; religions that often get this treatment are the Abrahamic faiths (most often Christianity), Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology and Norse mythology (albeit often a sanitized version of the latter three).  In other cases they all but abandon any form of subtlety, with the fictional religion being distinguished from the real-world religion the author follows by only a handful of minor changes. Naturally, those kinds of works tend to come off as preachy, to say the least. &lt;br /&gt;
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Another route this uses is the route that faith itself provides the power as per &amp;quot;[[Belief Function|Belief Function]]&amp;quot; (think Morpheus&#039; &amp;quot;your mind makes it real&amp;quot; quote, but applying at the cosmological level).  In fact, Warhammer often goes the route that the gods are powered by faith as well as from their sphere of influence which has either [[Sigmar|caused some people have risen to godhood]] or [[Ynnead|caused new gods to be born in the setting]]. In fact, this has proven the greatest weapon against Chaos in every Warhammer setting (and why the Emperor&#039;s plan to starve the Chaos Gods with atheism was doomed to fail from the start).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Somewhat special cases===&lt;br /&gt;
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One somewhat special case is the &amp;quot;Religion of Evil&amp;quot;; in many settings, there is a religion that is explicitly capital E Evil and seeks one of the usual &amp;quot;Card Carrying Villain&amp;quot; goals of Control, Conquest, Corruption, or Destruction.  Frequently has some admixture of the worst aspects of Roman Paganism, Norse practices, the Aztec, Scientology and/or the various Abrahamic religions.  They also often draw from those found in the writings of H.P Lovecraft.  If this cult directly worships an individual Evil God, expect whatever makes sense for that deity to be some form of destructive activity--e.g., the cult of the God of Murder demands human sacrifice on a regular basis, with a certain portion of that explicitly being not-careful-enough cultists.  Regardless, Religions of Evil can show up in all three above modes, and usually has a special purpose in all three:&lt;br /&gt;
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* All three types need bad guys.  In particular, a group who by definition is Evil is always good for some no-need-to-worry-about-the-ethics-or-morality-of-killing fodder (based on the idea that everyone in is group is evil because you have to do evil to be part of the group).  &lt;br /&gt;
* Religion is Bad types tend to use them to say either &amp;quot;while they&#039;re all Bad, some are worse then others&amp;quot;, that &amp;quot;Religion can be used to justify anything&amp;quot;, use it as a strawman to tar all with the same brush or they have a specific axe to grind (either against an entire religion, a group within that religion or individual adherents the author personally dislikes).  &lt;br /&gt;
* Religion is Good types or the sincerely religious tend to use them as analogies with fanaticism, criticize Real World cults, say &amp;quot;there is good religion so don&#039;t tar all with the same brush&amp;quot;, compare different beliefs or deal with negative aspects of religion (occasionally making jabs at competitive religions, or fellow believers the author disagrees with).&lt;br /&gt;
** As a side note, a lot of fantasy has moved slightly away from pure Religions of Evil, for much the same reason as [[Always Chaotic Evil]] races (audiences and authors nowdays demand more motive for their villains). While there are still plenty of them, they usually add some nuance that makes them at least morally neutral under their own lights.  Popular options are for them to be an off-shoot/denomination/subset of another religion and/or be taking vengeance for a real or perceived wrong or injustice (which has &#039;&#039;&#039;plenty&#039;&#039;&#039; of real-life precedent).&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Urban Fantasy]] writers are another special case, since almost all Urban Fantasy is set in something that might be called &amp;quot;the real world with a twist&amp;quot;, with all the usual political trouble that implies.  As a result, they can take one of a few routes:&lt;br /&gt;
* The most common route is &amp;quot;there are many possible explanations&amp;quot; and vague things up as much as possible ([[True Faith|Faith]] being the power that repels [[Vampire]]s rather than than a cross having any actual connection to a deity is a popular one). &lt;br /&gt;
* The second most common route (which is rarer outside of Cosmic Horror) is the &amp;quot;Religion as a Bad Thing&amp;quot; route from above.  The story is straight up atheistic/&amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; [[Imperial Truth|propaganda]], and in practice the writer often has an axe to grind against a specific religion.  It&#039;s a popular choice for writers trying to be [[Edgy]] who want to include religious subject matter in their stories, and they almost exclusively go after the most established religion in the area or any new cults that have emerged at the time.  Furthermore, any fictional religions will most likely be thinly-veiled stand-ins for real life religions.  &lt;br /&gt;
* Some Urban Fantasy works with a clear correct religion exist thanks to the above mentioned sincerely religious authors, which are typically [[Chick Tracts|barely veiled proselytizing]] or [[Twilight|just straight up terrible]], though [[Monster Hunter International|there are some good ones]].&lt;br /&gt;
* The fourth route, taken most notably by [[Supers|DC and Marvel comics]] among others, is to take an &amp;quot;All Myths are True&amp;quot; approach: All religions are sort of true, but none have any exclusivity to the Truth, so Thor and Athena might have the Archangel Michael on speeddial when the Orochi teams up with Apep to get up to no good and start making trouble in their neighborhoods (because &amp;quot;Mikey really likes kicking serpent tail, and gets annoyed when we don&#039;t at least try to invite him to an evil serpent ass-kicking.&amp;quot;). Differs from the &amp;quot;vague things up&amp;quot; route by being clearer on some details, and also much more gonzo.  The Abrahamic God is the exception here: He&#039;s usually kept especially vague, albeit more powerful (and yet infinitely less accessible) than anyone else in the setting, and only referred to by some codephrase (Marvel likes &amp;quot;The One Above All&amp;quot;, DC generally goes for &amp;quot;The Presence&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;whatever is behind the Source Wall&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Miscellaneous Observations===&lt;br /&gt;
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Doing the &amp;quot;The Gods are Incompetent&amp;quot; thing (the similar but different &amp;quot;The Gods are Insane&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;The Gods Are Assholes&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;The Gods Don&#039;t Actually Do Anything&amp;quot; routes also falls under this umbrella) can go into any of the three modes; in a sincere monotheist&#039;s (such as Christian) work, it can be a &amp;quot;Take That&amp;quot; to polytheistic religions; in a &amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; atheist&#039;s, it can be one to religion in general; in a Buddhist-influenced work, it can be a part of the whole &amp;quot;even the Gods are tied up in the Wheel of Karma&amp;quot; concept; and, even if the author is not pushing any religious message in any way, there&#039;s a neutral, plot-structural reason to go &amp;quot;Incompetent Gods&amp;quot;: it can make the adventurers the Most Competent People Available since if that wasn&#039;t the case there wouldn&#039;t be anything for the adventurers to do. &lt;br /&gt;
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If a work has multiple writers, (as frequently happens with RPG and Wargame settings, and quite a few popular SciFi/Fantasy ones as well) there&#039;s a tendency for the writers to try and pull the setting into one of the other two &amp;quot;modes&amp;quot; depending on their personal views.  This leads to the theme changing from one side to the other as the story progresses.  A recent example is [[World of Warcraft|the spate of retcons to the cosmology of the Warcraft universe]] and the morality of its fundamental forces/dominant higher powers, the Light and the Void.  If the story doesn&#039;t get focused on a pro-religion or anti-religion message, it may end up swinging back and forth between both sides or settle in a mid-point which doesn&#039;t take a strong stance either way.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Note that members of the &amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Religion is Good&amp;quot; brigades will get involved in arguments over the relative morality or &amp;quot;goodness&amp;quot; of various factions in the story and the accuracy of any messages a writer presents.  Often history buffs will throw their hat into the ring as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Examples of /tg/ connected fictional religions==&lt;br /&gt;
===Warhammer 40k===&lt;br /&gt;
* The [[Imperial Truth]] was originally the Emperor&#039;s plan on beliefs, which he and his servants propagated throughout the galaxy during the Great Crusade. Attempting to wean mankind away from Chaos and being a firm member of the &amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; brigade, the Emperor proclaimed there are no gods, and religion had to be abolished willingly or by force while science or reason are to be used for explaining the universe and morality.  Everything transpired according to his design, except theistic religiosity in the 40k universe is the best weapon against Chaos so Emps&#039; interstellar state atheism policy gave them a major opening.  Things went from bad to worse when people started looking up to the Emperor as a god himself, [[Exterminatus|he responded accordingly]], and the Chaos Gods got a new tool in the form of [[Lorgar]].  After the Horus Heresy and the Emperor&#039;s removal from galactic politics: the Imperial Truth was slowly shelved in favor of the Imperial Cult, to the point that espousing the teachings of the Truth is ironically considered heresy. Only a few practitioners of the Imperial Truth remain, most notably the Custodes and the Space Marines (both of whom know The Emperor better than anybody to worship him as a god. Plus, their religious autonomy.).&lt;br /&gt;
** The [[Imperial Cult]] is the present-day religion of the Imperium of Man, and is a mix of several Abrahamic Religions along with copious amounts of warmongering, fanaticism and xenophobia.  Derived from the Lectitio Divinatus penned by [[Lorgar]] pre-HH, the Cult decrees that because the Emperor is capable of all these miracles and power: he &#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039; be a god, and why you should worship and pledge loyalty to him.  Its a complete 180 from the Emperor&#039;s original teachings, and has simultaneously been responsible for damning and saving the Imperium past the clusterfuck of the Horus Heresy.  It&#039;s unknown whether the Emperor still abhors godhood and religion and would abolish it the moment he could, or if he&#039;s resigned himself to becoming the very thing he fought against for mankind to persevere in these trying times.  Whatever the case, he didn&#039;t want to be a god, but now he has no choice but to become one.&lt;br /&gt;
** The [[Adeptus Mechanicus|Cult Mechanicus]] (Machine Cult) is the religion of the Adeptus Mechanicus, placing a heavy emphasis on machines, viewing them as gifts from the Machine God called &amp;quot;The Omnissiah&amp;quot; Officially, the Omnissiah is The Emperor, which allows the Mechanicus to sidestep the more puritan pundits of the Imperial Cult (we worship The Emprah, just not how you do it). Unofficially, the Omnissiah may or may not be the C&#039;tan god: The Void Dragon. It also has a high emphasis on the collection of knowledge, and one of the Admech&#039;s roles in the galaxy is to explore remote and uncharted regions of space to find and search for knowledge that has been lost throughout the millennia. The last of these, is guidelines on machines and knowledge. Officially, heretic(tek) and xeno works are to be abhorred and disposed of, viewing them as perversions of the holy Machine God&#039;s works. Unofficially however, more liberally-minded and higher-ranked Magos would happily hoard heretek/xeno works, seeing their potential over the more restricted and constrained works of the Mechanicus.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Chaos is a violent and complicated henotheistic (believing in multiple gods but only worshipping one) or polytheistic religion with dozens, if not hundreds of interpretations.  Even then, there&#039;s more sub-cults that worship their particular god in a specific way, either minutely or vastly different from everyone else among followers of the Big 4.  And this doesn&#039;t even get into the realm of Chaos Undivided (which worships the concept of Chaos itself, instead of the individual gods) and [[Malal]].  Chaos has very little established guidelines regarding worship, apart from their patron god&#039;s/gods&#039; general likes/dislikes, so any religious practices or rituals are either based on commands from the god/s or up to the imagination of the cult.&lt;br /&gt;
** Interestingly, there is a Space Marine of the Chaos faction who follows the Imperial Truth, and that is [[Fabius Bile]].&lt;br /&gt;
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* All Greenskins worship Gork and Mork (jury&#039;s out on whether the [[Gretchin Revolutionary Committee]] do), but are too disorganized to have anything like a formal religion, though they do make effigies of Gork and Mork and call on them.  The closest thing they have to tenants is that Gork favors violence, Mork favors cunning.  Greenskins have gotten into fights over this, but violence is part of their nature and that of their gods.  While they fight over religion, they also fight over almost any dispute anyway, and may even start a religious argument just to enjoy a good fight among themselves (though the only theological argument they can formulate is &amp;quot;is Gork the god of cunning or is Mork?&amp;quot; or vica versa). On the surface, religion does not play a big-enough role in Ork society compared to other races, being just another outlet for Orks to fight about. But if [[Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka|Ghazghkull]] is any indication: religion can have a great impact on Orks, with him being becoming one of the greatest Warlords in the galaxy, primarily because he thinks he&#039;s personally blessed by Gork and Mork themselves. So if you throw in the Orks&#039; gestalt field into the mix, its likely that its not that religion doesn&#039;t matter to them, it&#039;s under-utilized.&lt;br /&gt;
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* The Tau&#039;s creed &amp;quot;The [[Greater Good]]&amp;quot; is a specie-wide philosophy that was adopted ever since the initial unification of the Tau in the olden days. In a nutshell, the Greater Good emphasizes the co-existence of all Tau and sapient life in general into working together for a common goal to further the Tau&#039;s progress, seeing everyone&#039;s potential and hoping to utilize that for an, ahem, greater good. Personal religion isn&#039;t forbidden, but it must not contradict or override The Greater Good, and must be disregarded if it ever does so.  Technically, this means Tau can be religious or non-religious, as the Greater Good is not a religion (due to lacking an afterlife and supernatural aspects, with the closest things to figures of worship being the Ethereals).  This sounds all fine and dandy, but the Ethereal class, who are responsible for maintaining The Greater Good, have been shown to be less benevolent than believed and have been using their unnaturally powerful charisma to subtly oppress the Tau and use them to further their own agendas.&lt;br /&gt;
**The Farsight Enclaves, who have thrown off Ethereal rule, are the exception in that they have rejected The Greater Good, seeing it as the method of oppression used to keep the T&#039;au under complete control of the ethereals.  Due to this, if one considers the Greater Good a religion, The Enclaves are irreligious.&lt;br /&gt;
**As of the 4th Sphere Expansion disaster, Chaos Tau are starting to become a thing.&lt;br /&gt;
**At one point, the Earth Caste gathered Genestealer-infected Tau and studied them to see what would happen.  Of course, a Genestealer cult developed and naturally they violently escaped control and surveillance.   According to rumors, they&#039;ve even produced a Genestealer-infected Ethereal. &lt;br /&gt;
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* The Eldar have varying views on religiosity depending on their type.  Their religion is polytheistic, with henotheistic offshoots, and Ausryan was the highest ranking god.  However all of the Eldar gods were murder-raped to death by Slaanesh except for Isha (taken by Nurgle), Khaine (shattered and flung into realspace), Cegorach (hiding in the Webway) and Ynnead (born long after Slaanesh&#039;s birth).  Their Pantheon&#039;s religious practices aren&#039;t fleshed out save for those of Cegorach, Isha, and Khaine, via the Harlequins and Aspect Warriors.  With most of their gods out of commission, Eldar religious worship is of a deistic bent.&lt;br /&gt;
** Craftworlders and Exodites almost exclusively worship the original Eldar pantheon, though some engage in henotheistic worship of only one of the gods.  Asuryan is more popular among Craftworlders while Isha is among Exodites, though nearly all give Khaine some tribute during war.&lt;br /&gt;
** Corsairs are all over the place, though Khaine is a popular choice given their more militant nature.  &lt;br /&gt;
** Being agents of the Laughing God himself, the Harlequins&#039; worship is centered around [[Cegorach]], whilst still paying minor tribute to the other gods.&lt;br /&gt;
** The new faith around Ynnead, the Ynnari, is rapidly growing but have yet to establish teachings or rituals. &lt;br /&gt;
** Unique among the Eldar, the Dark Eldar are irreligious for the most part and while they believe some gods exist they&#039;re too self-centered to worship them (this is canon).  They&#039;re often also anti-religious to boot; a major landmark of Commorragh is a landfill of religious icons called Iconoclast&#039;s Mound, and one Wych cult - the Pain Eternal - revolves around killing religious people and destroying shrines and holy sites.  The sole exception, except for Dark Eldar who stop being Dark Eldar, are the [[Incubi]] who hold [[Khaine]] in high regard.&lt;br /&gt;
** There are numerous rumors of a very small number of Chaos Eldar, but these are barely fleshed out and heavily classified in-universe.  There have been verified Nurgle-worshipping Eldar and persistent rumors that some have embraced Slaanesh without becoming soul-food.  Apart from this, some Dark Eldar have been willing to summon Chaos Daemons or work with Chaos worshippers ([[Fabius Bile|or allies of Chaos]]) to further their own ends.  &lt;br /&gt;
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* While the Necrontyr had religions before certain [[C&#039;tan|star entities]] [[Necrons|roboticizied them]], those aren&#039;t fleshed out or detailed.  Its also heavily implied the C&#039;tan co-opted the Necrontyr religion beforehand.  With the change to Necrons taking the higher though processes of most of them, any Necrons who can comprehend faith and religiosity either worship the C&#039;tan or have become irreligious.&lt;br /&gt;
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* The Tyranids themselves are irreligious, being spehss bugs and all, but understand at least a few of the advantages of religion.  [[Genestealer]]s infect people and together they establish cults on targeted worlds, such as one worshipping &amp;quot;Children of the Stars&amp;quot;, a perversion of the Imperial Cult (such as one that worships a [[Swarmlord|four-armed]] version of the Emperor) or something else like &amp;quot;Celebrants of Nihilism&amp;quot; (yes, that&#039;s a canon Genestealer cult name).  Psychic influence is often involved and, notably, the Genestealers do not consider themselves gods.  Once the Tyranids arrive en-masse, the cult-gets assimilated along with all non-Tyranids willingly or not.  An interesting tidbit is that the Hive Mind stops the Tyranids from attacking the cultists in early stages of the invasion and leads them on, only to later override the Genestealers&#039; wills and and make them slaughter the cultists.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Among Dungeons and Dragons settings, [[Planescape]], [[Eberron]], and [[Pathfinder]] are notable for having some coherent things that could be called &amp;quot;Religions&amp;quot;, rather then the usual generic Pantheism.&lt;br /&gt;
** Most of Planescape&#039;s Factions effectively count as religions, to the point they can produce [[Cleric]]s ([[Planescape: Torment#Fall-From-Grace|Atheist ones at that]]). Yes, even the Athar. (Perhaps &#039;&#039;especially&#039;&#039; the Athar.)&lt;br /&gt;
** Half of Eberron&#039;s religions aren&#039;t worship of deities. The [[Blood of Vol]] seeks to unlock the divinity within one&#039;s self and rejects the gods (if they even exist) and the [[Path of Inspiration]] seeks to improve their next reincarnation. The Undying Court worships not gods but their undead ancestors that make up their government. The [[Path of Light]], [[Warforged_Mysteries#The_Becoming_God|Becoming God]] and [[Warforged_Mysteries#The_Reforged|Reforged]] all seek to &#039;&#039;create&#039;&#039; a deity. Even some interpretations of the [[Sovereign Host]], like the one most common among dragons, don&#039;t worship them as deities. Due to the way divine casting works in Eberron, all of these can produce divine casters.&lt;br /&gt;
** There&#039;s a handful of religions on [[Golarion]] that aren&#039;t merely worship of pantheons. The most prominent (read: Actually has mechanical support) is the [[Prophecies of Kalistrade]], which is basically fantasy [[Star Trek|Ferengi]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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* [[D20 Modern]]&#039;s [[Urban Arcana]], unusually for urban fantasy, has D&amp;amp;D deities bleed into reality alongside the monsters. You are still able to play a &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;cleric&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; &amp;quot;acolyte&amp;quot; of any real world deity despite this.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Star Wars===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Star Wars]] is inconsistent on if the [[The Force]] is a religion.  The Jedi and the Sith &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; both be considered religions as they are considered monastic, but mix in several other traits such as being meritocratic (Jedi) and kraterocratic (Sith) and Lucas himself has axed at least one prototyped book for portraying them too much as a religion.  It&#039;s also notable that the Sith were former Jedi who left the Jedi path for several reasons including [[Heresy|disagreements over the teachings of that creed]].  Aside from that, religion is nearly always a non-human tradition, something noted in a culture&#039;s historical background and never seen implying its extinction, or a scam.  The religiously linked &amp;quot;damn&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;hell&amp;quot; are the two real world swear words that exist in-universe, purely because Han Solo used them in the films, and some concept of an &amp;quot;angel&amp;quot; exists because a young Anakin told Padme about them in the prequel trilogy films.&lt;br /&gt;
** There are rare exceptions where a religion is fleshed out and explored, and the writing goes various directions for better or worse.  A notable example is the aggressive polytheistic religion of the antagonistic Yuuzhan Vong from the EU (which the story gradually revealed was long ago perverted from benevolent roots, and this perverted form takes a few cues from Islam and Aztec mythology).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Star Trek===&lt;br /&gt;
* Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry had a low opinion of religion and in his vision humanity had done away with it and was better off for it and he had no interest in adding it to the aliens.  However, some of the cast and crew disagreed and occasionally references and religions found their way into the show, which increased after Roddenberry&#039;s death.  The Federation&#039;s culture is distinctly humanistic (extending the concept to alien species) in it&#039;s outlook in which religion is regarded as a thing of the past.&lt;br /&gt;
** While there are plenty of &amp;quot;Godlike&amp;quot; entities in Star Trek, almost all are treated as Sufficiently Advanced Aliens in the Arthur C. Clarke sense--and in particular, in ST:TNG, the flip side, that Picard and his crew are frequently shown to look like Gods to sufficiently primitive aliens, is gone into in more than one episode.&lt;br /&gt;
** The Bajorans are a highly religious alien race, with the majority following peaceful teachings and a minority of violent extremists.  &lt;br /&gt;
*** Of some note, the Bajoran religion is of interest because their &amp;quot;Gods&amp;quot; actually exist, and can be (somewhat incomprehensibly) talked to (a rarity outside of [[Science Fantasy]]). In other words, they were frequently a method of having some religion vs. science debates where the divine entity (A) explicitly exists, (B) is explainable as &amp;quot;sufficiently advanced and unusual aliens&amp;quot;, and (C) aren&#039;t jerks, just bad at communication with those of us who experience time linearly--in other words, with a deck that wasn&#039;t quite as badly stacked. The religiosity was meant to be as a way of contrasting the Starfleet personnel with the native population and to draw a parallel between Bajorans under the Cardassian Occupation and various real world recently freed oppressed religious-slash-ethnic groups.&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;In the fifth Star Trek movie, &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;The Final Frontier&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;, some of the crew steal the Enterprise to look for God and instead find a powerful alien being impersonating God in the center of the universe&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; &#039;&#039;&#039;Just like there is no live-action movie of Avatar: The Last Airbender, there is totally no Star Trek 5!&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===World of Darkness===&lt;br /&gt;
* Very large books could be written about religion and [[World of Darkness]]/Chronicles of Darkness. We&#039;ll just cover a few highlights:&lt;br /&gt;
** From [[Vampire: The Requiem]], there&#039;s the the Lancea et Sanctum, which might be best described as &amp;quot;Christianity for Vampires&amp;quot;, and the Circle of the Crone, which is &amp;quot;Pagan Vampires&amp;quot;. Both have Vampire miracles on tap (pun intended).&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Hunter: The Vigil]] has various religious organizations among the Compacts and Conspiracies, some very similar to real world ones, others...not so much. &lt;br /&gt;
** [[Mage: The Ascension]] has various religious Traditions, portrayed in that highly-stereotypical and highly-depending-on-the-author way typical of old WoD.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Mythology]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:History]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=C._S._Lewis&amp;diff=107746</id>
		<title>C. S. Lewis</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;2406:3400:20F:FFC0:B46C:7999:569F:6357: /* On His Writing */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:CSLewis.JPG|thumb|Right|250px|The second patriarch of modern fantasy]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Clive Staples Lewis&#039;&#039;&#039; (better known as &amp;quot;C. S.&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Jack&amp;quot; to his friends), not to be confused with [[C.S. Goto]] (how dare you confuse the two), nor with Lewis Carroll, was [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]&#039;s good friend and another influential early modern fantasy writer. He was also an essayist and a theologian, one of the best of the last century, writing on subjects such as the relationship between science and religion in the modern age, the nature of the afterlife, and [http://scientificintegrity.blogspot.com/2010/04/religion-and-rocketry-by-cs-lewis.html arguing that the existence of aliens wouldn&#039;t clash with Christian beliefs.] Almost all of Lewis&#039; works tend to come across as astoundingly well-thought out; many of his more devoted fans would argue that reading his work is like reading the Necronomicon, except it &#039;&#039;increases&#039;&#039; your sanity.&lt;br /&gt;
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== His Fictional Works ==&lt;br /&gt;
*The Space Trilogy&lt;br /&gt;
**Out of the Silent Planet (1938)&lt;br /&gt;
**Perelandra (1972) (C.S Lewis&#039; favorite book by his own admission)&lt;br /&gt;
**That Hideous Strength (1974) (AKA That Hideous Book, according to JRR Tolkien).&lt;br /&gt;
*The Chronicles of Narnia (1950-1956)&lt;br /&gt;
**The Magician&#039;s Nephew (actually written after &#039;&#039;The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe&#039;&#039;, but its events take place first)&lt;br /&gt;
**The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe&lt;br /&gt;
**The Horse and His Boy&lt;br /&gt;
**Prince Caspian&lt;br /&gt;
**The Voyage of the Dawn Treader&lt;br /&gt;
**The Silver Chair&lt;br /&gt;
**The Last Battle&lt;br /&gt;
*The Screwtape Letters&lt;br /&gt;
*The Pilgrim&#039;s Regress&lt;br /&gt;
*The Great Divorce&lt;br /&gt;
*Till We Have Faces&lt;br /&gt;
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== Why He Was Influential ==&lt;br /&gt;
With the Narnia series, C. S. Lewis brought to the table the &amp;quot;everything in mythology but the kitchen sink&amp;quot; approach to fantasy writing. Norse Mythology, Greco-Roman Mythology, Judeo-Christian Theology, even modern folklore like Santa Claus got worked in. It&#039;s to his everlasting credit that he threw all these things into a blender and came up with something really awesome (even Santa Claus). Basically, if Tolkien gave modern fantasy [[RPG]]s [[Halfling]]s, [[Orc]]s and Dark Lords, Lewis gave it [[Centaurs]], [[Minotaur|Minotaurs]] (and potentially non-evil ones at that), [[Merfolk]], and talking animals. Narnia also included one of the earliest and most logically consistent examples of the &amp;quot;secret magical world parallel to our own&amp;quot; trope.  And it is also an early form of the [[Isekai]] genre.&lt;br /&gt;
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== On His Writing ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NarniaMap.jpg|thumb|Right|300px|A map of Narnia]]&lt;br /&gt;
When compared to his friend [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], Lewis was more of a philosopher and theologian than a world-builder. While Tolkien had beliefs and viewpoints which manifested in his writings, they usually came up as background details and a component of greater world building. Lewis, in contrast, wrote his works with the primary intent of arguing a point or presenting an idea  rather than creating a fantasy world. This isn&#039;t to say that Lewis&#039; writings have poor world-building, it just wasn&#039;t as much of a priority for him as having a clear and consistent theme. Although his writings tend to be far more overt with their religious message, it should be noted that they&#039;re not written in a [[Cult of the Redemption|judgemental fire-and-brimstone]] style, but more like a neutral-toned fable or philosophy lecture. The Narnia series might basically be about a fantasy land with lion Jesus and ice witch Satan, but it is generally more readable than [[The Lord of the Rings]], as Lewis didn&#039;t feel the need to include songs on every other page, or detail the name and lineage of every single person who participated in each battle.&lt;br /&gt;
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He is also known for The Space Trilogy, which is arguably the earliest example of Christian science fiction (a subgenre that exists but is almost unheard of in mainstream media). The first book (&#039;&#039;&#039;Out of the Silent Planet&#039;&#039;&#039;) is about a man named Ransom being kidnapped and taken to a planet (called Malacandra by its inhabitants, the one we call Mars) where he meets aliens, the angel in charge of Mars under God and learns more about the way the universe works and the situation of Earth. The second book (&#039;&#039;Perelandra&#039;&#039;) is about Ransom being taken to the planet Perelandra (the one we call Venus, which has a livable atmosphere due to Venus&#039; actual deadly climate being unknown at the time) to stop a demon from recreating The Fall of Man with Venus&#039; equivalent of Adam and Eve. In the third book (&#039;&#039;That Hideous Strength&#039;&#039;) the main characters Ransom and Mark have to work together against a scientific institute which is actually a front for sinister supernatural forces. &lt;br /&gt;
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Fun fact: the Space Trilogy makes reference to what would have been the Time Travel trilogy by J.R.R. Tolkien, except we never got anything more than unfinished manuscripts. Basically it would have been Tolkien&#039;s way of tying in the history of the Lord of the Rings with the known history and medieval legends of today&#039;s world. The closest thing we get is &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also of note are Lewis&#039; books about the afterlife, as they were unique... at the time. &#039;&#039;The Screwtape Letters&#039;&#039;, for example, is a fictional series of letters written by a demon, Screwtape, to his nephew Wormwood, giving him advice on seducing people to the ways of [[Heresy|sin]] and [[Chaos|damnation]] using the man they&#039;re currently trying to tempt on as an example. [[Warp|Hell]] isn&#039;t depicted as a brutal prison as in Dante&#039;s Inferno, but more like a [[Administratum|diabolical bureaucracy]]; where [[Dark Eldar|demons consume human souls as we would consume wine]], and the more evil they are, the finer their vintage. Screwtape gives excellent advice on how to manipulate good intentions into bad deeds, and the book&#039;s unusual point of view lends itself to some creative ideas. In particular, the subplot where Wormwood and Screwtape subtly try to undermine the other by reporting them to Hell&#039;s [[Inquisition]] while maintaining correspondence is quite entertaining. Suffice to say, it&#039;s an excellent read for [[GM|GMs]] wishing to run a particularly [[Tzeentch|cunning or manipulative]] demon.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Legacy==&lt;br /&gt;
C.S Lewis&#039; works have found use in various fields, from the fantasy genre to works outside fiction such as Christian apologetics.  The Chronicles of Narnia have seen numerous adaptations and served as inspiration for numerous other world fantasy stories.  &lt;br /&gt;
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His non-fictional works have also gained notoriety, such as his book &amp;quot;Mere Christianity&amp;quot; which explores Christian worldview from a philosophical perspective, but puts it in layman terms.  Some of his arguments have been cited by theologians and Christian apologists of various stripes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Some of his fictional works have even led to some &amp;quot;follow the leader&amp;quot; style copycats.  One such is author Randy Alcorn has &amp;quot;updated&amp;quot; &#039;&#039;Screwtape&#039;&#039; in the book duology revolving around the not-Screwtape demon Foulgrin and his subordinate Squaltaint.  Intended as a guide against modern evils, despite offering the human characters perspective that The Screwtape Letters lacked it is less sophisticated than Lewis&#039; work and tarred undeserving or contentious targets with the same brush... like [[Dungeons &amp;amp; Dragons]] (Foulgrin claims Dungeons and Dragons is a gateway-drug type path to black magic).&lt;br /&gt;
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== See Also ==&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw-kYN6wWXWDyp_lB0wnlxw CS Lewis Doodle,] a YouTube channel which animates several of his essays and written works.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Writers]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Religion</title>
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&lt;div&gt;{{topquote|Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge, which is power; religion gives man wisdom, which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals.|Martin Luther King, Jr}} &lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;&#039;Dracula&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;I was called here by, huuuuumans, who wish to pay me tribute!&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Richter Belmont&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;Tribute?! You steal men&#039;s souls! And make them your slaves!&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Dracula&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
::--An excerpt from the infamous exchange that also gave us &amp;quot;What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets&amp;quot; in [[Castlevania#Castlevania:_Symphony_Of_The_Night_.28Castlevania_9.29|Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Because it&#039;s important to several settings and RPG systems, particularly ones that are high-profile or relevant to /tg/, we have a religion article.  Let&#039;s try and keep it focused on the directly-related-to-/tg/ stuff and not descend into the pure [[skub]] that can arise in discussions of real-life religions, okay?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Definition of Religion==&lt;br /&gt;
Almost since the inception of the term, scholars have failed to agree on a definition of religion.  While there are some belief systems that always count as religions, some have applied the term to various things such as political ideologies, or groups when they reach a certain point.  There are however two general definition systems: the sociological/functional and the phenomenological/philosophical.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The two most widely accepted are:&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say things set apart and forbidden - beliefs and practices which unite into one single moral community called a church, all those who adhere to them.&amp;quot;	&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;a comprehensive worldview or &#039;metaphysical moral vision&#039; that is accepted as binding because it is held to be in itself basically true and just even if all dimensions of it cannot be either fully confirmed or refuted&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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As stated before, one common element that every religion which fits the criteria has is humanity&#039;s relation to supernatural forces, as all of them have at least one [[God|god]] and/or an afterlife even where there are exceptions; Buddhism doesn&#039;t have any gods but has afterlives, and Taoism doesn&#039;t have an afterlife but does have a pantheistic concept of a god as a supernatural force.&lt;br /&gt;
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Like other terms for heavily [[SJW|debated]] [[communism|subjects]], religion and religious have also been used as insults or Snarl Words in social and political discussions (especially from the 20th century and onwards) to ridicule groups openly promoting something the user disagrees with.  This snarl creates a caricature of the group to smear them by association with the worst excesses/negative stereotypes of real-world religious people (like being too preachy, judgmental, irrational, hypocritical, or pressuring everyone to convert).&lt;br /&gt;
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==Religion vs. Mythology==&lt;br /&gt;
While [[Mythology|mythologies]] aren&#039;t religions in and of themselves, every religion has a mythology.  While mythologies are merely the accounts of supernatural events, religions add rituals and practices that link those mythologies directly to the lives of their believers in one form or another, typically by describing how to properly serve to a god (or multiple gods, it depends) a significant role in the mythology a given religion is derived from. [[Skub|Whatever the source]], the mythology almost always predates the religion. As a result, especially since the Fantasy genre deals in supernatural beings and forces, most if not all fantasy settings have religions.  Science fiction does to a lesser degree, mostly because during the Golden Age of sci-fi empiricists and secular humanists were attracted to the genre and their views often seeped into their stories.  Despite this, given that most real-life societies have had religions playing a role in or since their founding, religions are still found in sci-fi.&lt;br /&gt;
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Religions involves belief systems and practices, where an adherent can call upon the power/being the religion is focused on to give them aid in [[cleric|various]] [[Paladin|ways]], depending at the very least on the religion and the task in question.  Given that religions are about people&#039;s place in the world, how it was made, ideas on how life should be lived and how humans should relate to the supernatural, they have major implications for societies.  Given that people can become [[Exarch|dangerously single-minded]] about a cause, people can be become extremists about their religion, regardless of the fact that [[Heironeous|some]] are more benevolent than [[Asmodeus|others]] and in numerous cases even [[Heresy|if it involves going against the religion&#039;s teachings]]; in conjunction with the above this means religious conflicts can become widespread, long-lasting, cause carnage and also involve other elements such as politics- both in fantasy and in the real world.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Role in Society==&lt;br /&gt;
A person&#039;s belief (for or against) any or all religions is a major factor in their worldview, and as such often serves as the undercurrent for all others. This is because this belief shapes people&#039;s views on the big things such as the purpose of life, how life should be lived in relation to oneself and others and what happens to people after they die. On the upside, this often leads to teachings with the goal of unity, peace, charity and co-operation as per the teachings of most religions, some of which are adapted by or also found among non-religious systems. On the downside, this can lead to clashes over how the people involved do the will of whichever beings or forces they follow, which religion should be followed or whether or not people should follow a god or religion at all.  This can involve arguments and factionalizing, or in some cases worse things like pogroms and wars. Since they are an overarching and fairly common element in cultures, they often appear or are referenced in fiction. &lt;br /&gt;
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The most common religious belief systems are the Abrahamic family of religions (primarily Judaism, Christianity and Islam) which are Monotheistic (belief in a singular God) and share many common elements and root, with - at the time this was written - Christianity being the most followed religion globally. Historically, these and other religions were frequently enshrined in law as the &amp;quot;state religion&amp;quot;, giving them special privileges such as extensive influence over the government or tax exemptions. In some cases, they even took over the functions of the government entirely in a system known as theocracy; while uncommon in the present day, theocracies are still in use in places such as the Vatican and Iran. &lt;br /&gt;
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Within the last few centuries, due to events such as the French Revolution, there has also been a significant amount of anti-religious sentiment, which regards religion as at best redundant and at worst destructive (beyond historical grievances with specific groups within religions, reasons for this view and whether or not those arguments have any merit, shall not be discussed here). For the most part, a combination of people identifying more with their culture or nation than their religion and the concept that religion and functions of state should not interfere with each other has turned into more of a &amp;quot;live and let live&amp;quot; mentality that doesn&#039;t really support or oppose any one religion and only reacts when said religions begin actively defying the state. &lt;br /&gt;
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Interestingly, numerous tyrannical regimes have tried to restrict or stamp out religions. This is because religious teachings put the figure/object of worship before the state in a conflict of interest, most religions teachings condemn many of the things tyrannical leaders indulge in, tyrants dislike competition for their subjects&#039; fealty, tyrants dislike being answerable to anyone besides themselves, the tyrant may be prejudiced, or any combo of the above. While nations have ususlly tried to block specific religions deemed &amp;quot;false&amp;quot; (read: religions opposing the state-sponsored religion in any way), several nations (usually [[Communism|Communist]] states which took Marx&#039;s &amp;quot;religion is the opiate of the masses&amp;quot; quote out of context, as Marx viewed religion was a sort of protest against oppression that relieved people&#039;s immediate suffering and gave them the strength to go on living while also drawing their attention away from the class system that produced their oppression; subsequently, he believed that following the establishment of a communist society, religion would disappear as it would no longer be needed) have tried to get rid of religion altogether, albeit with horrifying [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists results] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_rule_of_Cambodia#Religious_communities each] time.  Best case scenario, they sidegrade from one set of problems to another as cults of personality (commonly ones based on the ruler in charge) spring up to exploit the newly created power vacuum formerly filled by an established religion while believers who manage to survive the regime try to continue their activities in secret.&lt;br /&gt;
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Unsurprisingly, the most religious nations are the aforementioned theocracies, and apart from them are countries such as Brazil in South America or Ghana and Zambia in Africa (Zambia even has a state religion alongside a law that allows for freedom of religion).  China is - at the time this was written - the world&#039;s least religious and most atheistic country (the situation around North Korea is [[Skub|debatable]], since even though they violently supress religions [https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-publicly-executes-80-some-for-videos-or-bibles-report-says to the point that merely having copies of religious texts can be grounds for execution], they also have the Kim Cult blended with the Marxist offshoot ideology Juche).&lt;br /&gt;
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==How this impacts /tg/==&lt;br /&gt;
A few major ways.  Since most if not every society in real-life has had religion either be the basis for its founding or play a role in it, religion is just as involved in the backstory or current lore of settings.  There are three major &amp;quot;modes&amp;quot; of /tg/ settings and related fictions: &lt;br /&gt;
* The purely functional where religions are a story device.&lt;br /&gt;
* Religions and/or those they worship are portrayed positively as some sort of endorsement of religiosity.&lt;br /&gt;
* Religions and/or those  they worship are portrayed negatively as some sort of criticism of religiosity.&lt;br /&gt;
For ease of categorization, writers who use these modes will also be called proponents, detractors or functionalists (who can be pro, anti or neutral).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Religion as a story device/Functionalists===&lt;br /&gt;
Compared to the two types of writers found below, these writers are usually just attempting to model their work after real-world [[Mythology]] and are frequently attempting to keep their views of Religion separate from their work. Frequently comes in one of two subspecies:&lt;br /&gt;
* The [[Standard Fantasy Setting]] default: The world is ruled by an ordinary polytheistic pantheon, usually close to some admixture of Norse and Greek mythologies.  Some of them also have a Top God - one more powerful than all the others and maybe the in-universe creator of everything - who is mostly hands-off in cosmic affairs.  The gods of these religions tend to focus on specific areas (gods of [[Paladin|Justice]] and [[Druid|Nature]] are common, for subtly obvious reasons) and frequently want their followers to propagate or promote these things.  &lt;br /&gt;
* The kind of setting they wanted to make dictated the nature of the divine. For example, in [[Exalted]] just about all the figures anybody would call a &amp;quot;God&amp;quot; (besides the Exalted) are Useless, because the Exalted (which includes the Player Characters) are the guys who were made specifically to do whatever the gods needed them to do for reasons inherent to the setting, to go with the main theme of the setting for the PCs: &amp;quot;You can do &#039;&#039;&#039;almost anything&#039;&#039;&#039;, except &#039;&#039;avoid the consequences of being the one who did that anything&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Religion as a Bad Thing/Detractors=== &lt;br /&gt;
There are several writers of Science Fiction and Fantasy that are of the opinion &amp;quot;Religion Is Bad&amp;quot;, often alongside having an axe to grind (sometimes warranted, sometimes not) with either one or more specific real-life religions.  This is more common in Sci-Fi than fantasy because the focus on science appeals to the naturalist, empiricist and/or humanist worldview of such writers, with the supernatural being seen as an obstacle to that.  Despite that, the view is found among some fantasy authors as well, such as the author of the book series &amp;quot;His Dark Materials&amp;quot;, Philip Pullman (he wrote it as an anti-theistic and anti-religious response to C.S Lewis&#039; &amp;quot;Chronicles of Narnia&amp;quot; series). Whatever the genre, this comes in flavors of either &amp;quot;The Gods Don&#039;t Exist&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;The Gods are Incompetent&amp;quot; (more on that below) or &amp;quot;The Gods are Evil&amp;quot;.  Cosmic Horror also tends to use the &amp;quot;Gods Don&#039;t Exist&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Gods are Evil&amp;quot; route, or combine them into &amp;quot;The Gods are actually Incomprehensible and Destructive Aliens&amp;quot; (for example; the author who codified the genre, [[H.P. Lovecraft]], was an avowed anti-religious atheist).  This also has the side effect of inclining science fiction towards an atheistic perspective.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another major component is personal issues of the author such as grievance or prejudice, but that&#039;s case-by-case and a major can of worms.  A writer could have resentment against a specific religion or even the higher power a religion reveres (though opposition to a god or gods is called anti-theistic, not anti-religious), and single them out in their works due to personal bias or agenda.  Worst case scenario, the story is some sort of anti-religion wish fulfillment power fantasy - such as Frank Miller&#039;s &amp;quot;Holy Terror&amp;quot; comics against Islam and Garth Ennis&#039; &amp;quot;Preacher&amp;quot; comics (and their live-action adaptation) against Christianity.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Whatever the motivation, writers saying this message either model their fictional religions on the - occasionally exaggerated - worst excesses of real world religious people or use a fictional religion as a - usually obvious - stand-in or strawman of a real one.  The most frequently targeted religions are Christianity, Islam, any faith that practiced human sacrifice (such as the Aztec religious practices), and Scientology.  Cults, especially those with beliefs that mainstream religions consider unorthodox or outright heretical, are especially fertile ground for this message, albeit running the risk of being misapplied to tar other groups with the same brush.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Religion as a Good Thing/Proponents===&lt;br /&gt;
There are several Science Fiction and Fantasy writers who either are religious themselves and want to promote their worldview, look upon religion positively and put that into the story or both.  This is more common in Fantasy than Sci-fi, partly because with the supernatural being THE fundamental element of the genre, this gives opportunities to explore many aspects of religiosity.  This is less common in science-fiction, but not unheard of, such as Carl Sagan&#039;s novel &amp;quot;Contact&amp;quot; where God&#039;s signature is found in the digits of pi.  These authors usually put more thought into their fictional religion plus its central figure (although they have a tendency to go all &amp;quot;Crystal Dragon Jesus&amp;quot;), and try and have it be at least a somewhat good influence, although religious institutions and leaders are usually hit-and-miss affairs.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Some people make a fictional setting with figures from real-world religions, either in the real-world or [[CS Lewis|an alternate world (such as Narnia)]].  Others use fictional religions that either visually resemble real-life religions or figures from them; religions that often get this treatment are the Abrahamic faiths (most often Christianity), Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology and Norse mythology (albeit often a sanitized version of the latter three).  In other cases they all but abandon any form of subtlety, with the fictional religion being distinguished from the real-world religion the author follows by only a handful of minor changes. Naturally, those kinds of works tend to come off as preachy, to say the least. &lt;br /&gt;
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Another route this uses is the route that faith itself provides the power as per &amp;quot;[[Belief Function|Belief Function]]&amp;quot; (think Morpheus&#039; &amp;quot;your mind makes it real&amp;quot; quote, but applying at the cosmological level).  In fact, Warhammer often goes the route that the gods are powered by faith as well as from their sphere of influence which has either [[Sigmar|caused some people have risen to godhood]] or [[Ynnead|caused new gods to be born in the setting]]. In fact, this has proven the greatest weapon against Chaos in every Warhammer setting (and why the Emperor&#039;s plan to starve the Chaos Gods with atheism was doomed to fail from the start).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Somewhat special cases===&lt;br /&gt;
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One somewhat special case is the &amp;quot;Religion of Evil&amp;quot;; in many settings, there is a religion that is explicitly capital E Evil and seeks one of the usual &amp;quot;Card Carrying Villain&amp;quot; goals of Control, Conquest, Corruption, or Destruction.  Frequently has some admixture of the worst aspects of Roman Paganism, Norse practices, the Aztec, Scientology and/or the various Abrahamic religions.  They also often draw from those found in the writings of H.P Lovecraft.  If this cult directly worships an individual Evil God, expect whatever makes sense for that deity to be some form of destructive activity--e.g., the cult of the God of Murder demands human sacrifice on a regular basis, with a certain portion of that explicitly being not-careful-enough cultists.  Regardless, Religions of Evil can show up in all three above modes, and usually has a special purpose in all three:&lt;br /&gt;
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* All three types need bad guys.  In particular, a group who by definition is Evil is always good for some no-need-to-worry-about-the-ethics-or-morality-of-killing fodder (based on the idea that everyone in is group is evil because you have to do evil to be part of the group).  &lt;br /&gt;
* Religion is Bad types tend to use them to say either &amp;quot;while they&#039;re all Bad, some are worse then others&amp;quot;, that &amp;quot;Religion can be used to justify anything&amp;quot;, use it as a strawman to tar all with the same brush or they have a specific axe to grind (either against an entire religion, a group within that religion or individual adherents the author personally dislikes).  &lt;br /&gt;
* Religion is Good types or the sincerely religious tend to use them as analogies with fanaticism, criticize Real World cults, say &amp;quot;there is good religion so don&#039;t tar all with the same brush&amp;quot;, compare different beliefs or deal with negative aspects of religion (occasionally making jabs at competitive religions, or fellow believers the author disagrees with).&lt;br /&gt;
** As a side note, a lot of fantasy has moved slightly away from pure Religions of Evil, for much the same reason as [[Always Chaotic Evil]] races (audiences and authors nowdays demand more motive for their villains). While there are still plenty of them, they usually add some nuance that makes them at least morally neutral under their own lights.  Popular options are for them to be an off-shoot/denomination/subset of another religion and/or be taking vengeance for a real or perceived wrong or injustice (which has &#039;&#039;&#039;plenty&#039;&#039;&#039; of real-life precedent).&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Urban Fantasy]] writers are another special case, since almost all Urban Fantasy is set in something that might be called &amp;quot;the real world with a twist&amp;quot;, with all the usual political trouble that implies.  As a result, they can take one of a few routes:&lt;br /&gt;
* The most common route is &amp;quot;there are many possible explanations&amp;quot; and vague things up as much as possible ([[True Faith|Faith]] being the power that repels [[Vampire]]s rather than than a cross having any actual connection to a deity is a popular one). &lt;br /&gt;
* The second most common route (which is rarer outside of Cosmic Horror) is the &amp;quot;Religion as a Bad Thing&amp;quot; route from above.  The story is straight up atheistic/&amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; [[Imperial Truth|propaganda]], and in practice the writer often has an axe to grind against a specific religion.  It&#039;s a popular choice for writers trying to be [[Edgy]] who want to include religious subject matter in their stories, and they almost exclusively go after the most established religion in the area or any new cults that have emerged at the time.  Furthermore, any fictional religions will most likely be thinly-veiled stand-ins for real life religions.  &lt;br /&gt;
* Some Urban Fantasy works with a clear correct religion exist thanks to the above mentioned sincerely religious authors, which are typically [[Chick Tracts|barely veiled proselytizing]] or [[Twilight|just straight up terrible]], though [[Monster Hunter International|there are some good ones]].&lt;br /&gt;
* The fourth route, taken most notably by [[Supers|DC and Marvel comics]] among others, is to take an &amp;quot;All Myths are True&amp;quot; approach: All religions are sort of true, but none have any exclusivity to the Truth, so Thor and Athena might have the Archangel Michael on speeddial when the Orochi teams up with Apep to get up to no good and start making trouble in their neighborhoods (because &amp;quot;Mikey really likes kicking serpent tail, and gets annoyed when we don&#039;t at least try to invite him to an evil serpent ass-kicking.&amp;quot;). Differs from the &amp;quot;vague things up&amp;quot; route by being clearer on some details, and also much more gonzo.  The Abrahamic God is the exception here: He&#039;s usually kept especially vague, albeit more powerful (and yet infinitely less accessible) than anyone else in the setting, and only referred to by some codephrase (Marvel likes &amp;quot;The One Above All&amp;quot;, DC generally goes for &amp;quot;The Presence&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;whatever is behind the Source Wall&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Miscellaneous Observations===&lt;br /&gt;
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Doing the &amp;quot;The Gods are Incompetent&amp;quot; thing (the similar but different &amp;quot;The Gods are Insane&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;The Gods Are Assholes&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;The Gods Don&#039;t Actually Do Anything&amp;quot; routes also falls under this umbrella) can go into any of the three modes; in a sincere monotheist&#039;s (such as Christian) work, it can be a &amp;quot;Take That&amp;quot; to polytheistic religions; in a &amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; atheist&#039;s, it can be one to religion in general; in a Buddhist-influenced work, it can be a part of the whole &amp;quot;even the Gods are tied up in the Wheel of Karma&amp;quot; concept; and, even if the author is not pushing any religious message in any way, there&#039;s a neutral, plot-structural reason to go &amp;quot;Incompetent Gods&amp;quot;: it can make the adventurers the Most Competent People Available since if that wasn&#039;t the case there wouldn&#039;t be anything for the adventurers to do. &lt;br /&gt;
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If a work has multiple writers, (as frequently happens with RPG and Wargame settings, and quite a few popular SciFi/Fantasy ones as well) there&#039;s a tendency for the writers to try and pull the setting into one of the other two &amp;quot;modes&amp;quot; depending on their personal views.  This leads to the theme changing from one side to the other as the story progresses.  A recent example is [[World of Warcraft|the spate of retcons to the cosmology of the Warcraft universe]] and the morality of its fundamental forces/dominant higher powers, the Light and the Void.  If the story doesn&#039;t get focused on a pro-religion or anti-religion message, it may end up swinging back and forth between both sides or settle in a mid-point which doesn&#039;t take a strong stance either way.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Note that members of the &amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Religion is Good&amp;quot; brigades will get involved in arguments over the relative morality or &amp;quot;goodness&amp;quot; of various factions in the story and the accuracy of any messages a writer presents.  Often history buffs will throw their hat into the ring as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Examples of /tg/ connected fictional religions==&lt;br /&gt;
===Warhammer 40k===&lt;br /&gt;
* The [[Imperial Truth]] was originally the Emperor&#039;s plan on beliefs, which he and his servants propagated throughout the galaxy during the Great Crusade. Attempting to wean mankind away from Chaos and being a firm member of the &amp;quot;Religion is Bad&amp;quot; brigade, the Emperor proclaimed there are no gods, and religion had to be abolished willingly or by force while science or reason are to be used for explaining the universe and morality.  Everything transpired according to his design, except theistic religiosity in the 40k universe is the best weapon against Chaos so Emps&#039; interstellar state atheism policy gave them a major opening.  Things went from bad to worse when people started looking up to the Emperor as a god himself, [[Exterminatus|he responded accordingly]], and the Chaos Gods got a new tool in the form of [[Lorgar]].  After the Horus Heresy and the Emperor&#039;s removal from galactic politics: the Imperial Truth was slowly shelved in favor of the Imperial Cult, to the point that espousing the teachings of the Truth is ironically considered heresy. Only a few practitioners of the Imperial Truth remain, most notably the Custodes and the Space Marines (both of whom know The Emperor better than anybody to worship him as a god. Plus, their religious autonomy.).&lt;br /&gt;
** The [[Imperial Cult]] is the present-day religion of the Imperium of Man, and is a mix of several Abrahamic Religions along with copious amounts of warmongering, fanaticism and xenophobia.  Derived from the Lectitio Divinatus penned by [[Lorgar]] pre-HH, the Cult decrees that because the Emperor is capable of all these miracles and power: he &#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039; be a god, and why you should worship and pledge loyalty to him.  Its a complete 180 from the Emperor&#039;s original teachings, and has simultaneously been responsible for damning and saving the Imperium past the clusterfuck of the Horus Heresy.  It&#039;s unknown whether the Emperor still abhors godhood and religion and would abolish it the moment he could, or if he&#039;s resigned himself to becoming the very thing he fought against for mankind to persevere in these trying times.  Whatever the case, he didn&#039;t want to be a god, but now he has no choice but to become one.&lt;br /&gt;
** The [[Adeptus Mechanicus|Cult Mechanicus]] (Machine Cult) is the religion of the Adeptus Mechanicus, placing a heavy emphasis on machines, viewing them as gifts from the Machine God called &amp;quot;The Omnissiah&amp;quot; Officially, the Omnissiah is The Emperor, which allows the Mechanicus to sidestep the more puritan pundits of the Imperial Cult (we worship The Emprah, just not how you do it). Unofficially, the Omnissiah may or may not be the C&#039;tan god: The Void Dragon. It also has a high emphasis on the collection of knowledge, and one of the Admech&#039;s roles in the galaxy is to explore remote and uncharted regions of space to find and search for knowledge that has been lost throughout the millennia. The last of these, is guidelines on machines and knowledge. Officially, heretic(tek) and xeno works are to be abhorred and disposed of, viewing them as perversions of the holy Machine God&#039;s works. Unofficially however, more liberally-minded and higher-ranked Magos would happily hoard heretek/xeno works, seeing their potential over the more restricted and constrained works of the Mechanicus.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Chaos is a violent and complicated henotheistic (believing in multiple gods but only worshipping one) or polytheistic religion with dozens, if not hundreds of interpretations.  Even then, there&#039;s more sub-cults that worship their particular god in a specific way, either minutely or vastly different from everyone else among followers of the Big 4.  And this doesn&#039;t even get into the realm of Chaos Undivided (which worships the concept of Chaos itself, instead of the individual gods) and [[Malal]].  Chaos has very little established guidelines regarding worship, apart from their patron god&#039;s/gods&#039; general likes/dislikes, so any religious practices or rituals are either based on commands from the god/s or up to the imagination of the cult.&lt;br /&gt;
** Interestingly, there is a Space Marine of the Chaos faction who follows the Imperial Truth, and that is [[Fabius Bile]].&lt;br /&gt;
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* All Greenskins worship Gork and Mork (jury&#039;s out on whether the [[Gretchin Revolutionary Committee]] do), but are too disorganized to have anything like a formal religion, though they do make effigies of Gork and Mork and call on them.  The closest thing they have to tenants is that Gork favors violence, Mork favors cunning.  Greenskins have gotten into fights over this, but violence is part of their nature and that of their gods.  While they fight over religion, they also fight over almost any dispute anyway, and may even start a religious argument just to enjoy a good fight among themselves (though the only theological argument they can formulate is &amp;quot;is Gork the god of cunning or is Mork?&amp;quot; or vica versa). On the surface, religion does not play a big-enough role in Ork society compared to other races, being just another outlet for Orks to fight about. But if [[Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka|Ghazghkull]] is any indication: religion can have a great impact on Orks, with him being becoming one of the greatest Warlords in the galaxy, primarily because he thinks he&#039;s personally blessed by Gork and Mork themselves. So if you throw in the Orks&#039; gestalt field into the mix, its likely that its not that religion doesn&#039;t matter to them, it&#039;s under-utilized.&lt;br /&gt;
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* The Tau&#039;s creed &amp;quot;The [[Greater Good]]&amp;quot; is a specie-wide philosophy that was adopted ever since the initial unification of the Tau in the olden days. In a nutshell, the Greater Good emphasizes the co-existence of all Tau and sapient life in general into working together for a common goal to further the Tau&#039;s progress, seeing everyone&#039;s potential and hoping to utilize that for an, ahem, greater good. Personal religion isn&#039;t forbidden, but it must not contradict or override The Greater Good, and must be disregarded if it ever does so.  Technically, this means Tau can be religious or non-religious, as the Greater Good is not a religion (due to lacking an afterlife and supernatural aspects, with the closest things to figures of worship being the Ethereals).  This sounds all fine and dandy, but the Ethereal class, who are responsible for maintaining The Greater Good, have been shown to be less benevolent than believed and have been using their unnaturally powerful charisma to subtly oppress the Tau and use them to further their own agendas.&lt;br /&gt;
**The Farsight Enclaves, who have thrown off Ethereal rule, are the exception in that they have rejected The Greater Good, seeing it as the method of oppression used to keep the T&#039;au under complete control of the ethereals.  Due to this, if one considers the Greater Good a religion, The Enclaves are irreligious.&lt;br /&gt;
**As of the 4th Sphere Expansion disaster, Chaos Tau are starting to become a thing.&lt;br /&gt;
**At one point, the Earth Caste gathered Genestealer-infected Tau and studied them to see what would happen.  Of course, a Genestealer cult developed and naturally they violently escaped control and surveillance.   According to rumors, they&#039;ve even produced a Genestealer-infected Ethereal. &lt;br /&gt;
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* The Eldar have varying views on religiosity depending on their type.  Their religion is polytheistic, with henotheistic offshoots, and Ausryan was the highest ranking god.  However all of the Eldar gods were murder-raped to death by Slaanesh except for Isha (taken by Nurgle), Khaine (shattered and flung into realspace), Cegorach (hiding in the Webway) and Ynnead (born long after Slaanesh&#039;s birth).  Their Pantheon&#039;s religious practices aren&#039;t fleshed out save for those of Cegorach, Isha, and Khaine, via the Harlequins and Aspect Warriors.  With most of their gods out of commission, Eldar religious worship is of a deistic bent.&lt;br /&gt;
** Craftworlders and Exodites almost exclusively worship the original Eldar pantheon, though some engage in henotheistic worship of only one of the gods.  Asuryan is more popular among Craftworlders while Isha is among Exodites, though nearly all give Khaine some tribute during war.&lt;br /&gt;
** Corsairs are all over the place, though Khaine is a popular choice given their more militant nature.  &lt;br /&gt;
** Being agents of the Laughing God himself, the Harlequins&#039; worship is centered around [[Cegorach]], whilst still paying minor tribute to the other gods.&lt;br /&gt;
** The new faith around Ynnead, the Ynnari, is rapidly growing but have yet to establish teachings or rituals. &lt;br /&gt;
** Unique among the Eldar, the Dark Eldar are irreligious for the most part and while they believe some gods exist they&#039;re too self-centered to worship them (this is canon).  They&#039;re often also anti-religious to boot; a major landmark of Commorragh is a landfill of religious icons called Iconoclast&#039;s Mound, and one Wych cult - the Pain Eternal - revolves around killing religious people and destroying shrines and holy sites.  The sole exception, except for Dark Eldar who stop being Dark Eldar, are the [[Incubi]] who hold [[Khaine]] in high regard.&lt;br /&gt;
** There are numerous rumors of a very small number of Chaos Eldar, but these are barely fleshed out and heavily classified in-universe.  There have been verified Nurgle-worshipping Eldar and persistent rumors that some have embraced Slaanesh without becoming soul-food.  Apart from this, some Dark Eldar have been willing to summon Chaos Daemons or work with Chaos worshippers ([[Fabius Bile|or allies of Chaos]]) to further their own ends.  &lt;br /&gt;
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* While the Necrontyr had religions before certain [[C&#039;tan|star entities]] [[Necrons|roboticizied them]], those aren&#039;t fleshed out or detailed.  Its also heavily implied the C&#039;tan co-opted the Necrontyr religion beforehand.  With the change to Necrons taking the higher though processes of most of them, any Necrons who can comprehend faith and religiosity either worship the C&#039;tan or have become irreligious.&lt;br /&gt;
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* The Tyranids themselves are irreligious, being spehss bugs and all, but understand at least a few of the advantages of religion.  [[Genestealer]]s infect people and together they establish cults on targeted worlds, such as one worshipping &amp;quot;Children of the Stars&amp;quot;, a perversion of the Imperial Cult (such as one that worships a [[Swarmlord|four-armed]] version of the Emperor) or something else like &amp;quot;Celebrants of Nihilism&amp;quot; (yes, that&#039;s a canon Genestealer cult name).  Psychic influence is often involved and, notably, the Genestealers do not consider themselves gods.  Once the Tyranids arrive en-masse, the cult-gets assimilated along with all non-Tyranids willingly or not.  An interesting tidbit is that the Hive Mind stops the Tyranids from attacking the cultists in early stages of the invasion and leads them on, only to later override the Genestealers&#039; wills and and make them slaughter the cultists.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Dungeons and Dragons===  &lt;br /&gt;
* Among Dungeons and Dragons settings, [[Planescape]], [[Eberron]], and [[Pathfinder]] are notable for having some coherent things that could be called &amp;quot;Religions&amp;quot;, rather then the usual generic Pantheism.&lt;br /&gt;
** Most of Planescape&#039;s Factions effectively count as religions, to the point they can produce [[Cleric]]s ([[Planescape: Torment#Fall-From-Grace|Atheist ones at that]]). Yes, even the Athar. (Perhaps &#039;&#039;especially&#039;&#039; the Athar.)&lt;br /&gt;
** Half of Eberron&#039;s religions aren&#039;t worship of deities. The [[Blood of Vol]] seeks to unlock the divinity within one&#039;s self and rejects the gods (if they even exist) and the [[Path of Inspiration]] seeks to improve their next reincarnation. The Undying Court worships not gods but their undead ancestors that make up their government. The [[Path of Light]], [[Warforged_Mysteries#The_Becoming_God|Becoming God]] and [[Warforged_Mysteries#The_Reforged|Reforged]] all seek to &#039;&#039;create&#039;&#039; a deity. Even some interpretations of the [[Sovereign Host]], like the one most common among dragons, don&#039;t worship them as deities. Due to the way divine casting works in Eberron, all of these can produce divine casters.&lt;br /&gt;
** There&#039;s a handful of religions on [[Golarion]] that aren&#039;t merely worship of pantheons. The most prominent (read: Actually has mechanical support) is the [[Prophecies of Kalistrade]], which is basically fantasy [[Star Trek|Ferengi]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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* [[D20 Modern]]&#039;s [[Urban Arcana]], unusually for urban fantasy, has D&amp;amp;D deities bleed into reality alongside the monsters. You are still able to play a &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;cleric&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; &amp;quot;acolyte&amp;quot; of any real world deity despite this.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Star Wars===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Star Wars]] is inconsistent on if the [[The Force]] is a religion.  The Jedi and the Sith &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; both be considered religions as they are considered monastic, but mix in several other traits such as being meritocratic (Jedi) and kraterocratic (Sith) and Lucas himself has axed at least one prototyped book for portraying them too much as a religion.  It&#039;s also notable that the Sith were former Jedi who left the Jedi path for several reasons including [[Heresy|disagreements over the teachings of that creed]].  Aside from that, religion is nearly always a non-human tradition, something noted in a culture&#039;s historical background and never seen implying its extinction, or a scam.  The religiously linked &amp;quot;damn&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;hell&amp;quot; are the two real world swear words that exist in-universe, purely because Han Solo used them in the films, and some concept of an &amp;quot;angel&amp;quot; exists because a young Anakin told Padme about them in the prequel trilogy films.&lt;br /&gt;
** There are rare exceptions where a religion is fleshed out and explored, and the writing goes various directions for better or worse.  A notable example is the aggressive polytheistic religion of the antagonistic Yuuzhan Vong from the EU (which the story gradually revealed was long ago perverted from benevolent roots, and this perverted form takes a few cues from Islam and Aztec mythology).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Star Trek===&lt;br /&gt;
* Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry had a low opinion of religion and in his vision humanity had done away with it and was better off for it and he had no interest in adding it to the aliens.  However, some of the cast and crew disagreed and occasionally references and religions found their way into the show, which increased after Roddenberry&#039;s death.  The Federation&#039;s culture is distinctly humanistic (extending the concept to alien species) in it&#039;s outlook in which religion is regarded as a thing of the past.&lt;br /&gt;
** While there are plenty of &amp;quot;Godlike&amp;quot; entities in Star Trek, almost all are treated as Sufficiently Advanced Aliens in the Arthur C. Clarke sense--and in particular, in ST:TNG, the flip side, that Picard and his crew are frequently shown to look like Gods to sufficiently primitive aliens, is gone into in more than one episode.&lt;br /&gt;
** The Bajorans are a highly religious alien race, with the majority following peaceful teachings and a minority of violent extremists.  &lt;br /&gt;
*** Of some note, the Bajoran religion is of interest because their &amp;quot;Gods&amp;quot; actually exist, and can be (somewhat incomprehensibly) talked to (a rarity outside of [[Science Fantasy]]). In other words, they were frequently a method of having some religion vs. science debates where the divine entity (A) explicitly exists, (B) is explainable as &amp;quot;sufficiently advanced and unusual aliens&amp;quot;, and (C) aren&#039;t jerks, just bad at communication with those of us who experience time linearly--in other words, with a deck that wasn&#039;t quite as badly stacked. The religiosity was meant to be as a way of contrasting the Starfleet personnel with the native population and to draw a parallel between Bajorans under the Cardassian Occupation and various real world recently freed oppressed religious-slash-ethnic groups.&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;In the fifth Star Trek movie, &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;The Final Frontier&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;, some of the crew steal the Enterprise to look for God and instead find a powerful alien being impersonating God in the center of the universe&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; &#039;&#039;&#039;Just like there is no live-action movie of Avatar: The Last Airbender, there is totally no Star Trek 5!&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===World of Darkness===&lt;br /&gt;
* Very large books could be written about religion and [[World of Darkness]]/Chronicles of Darkness. We&#039;ll just cover a few highlights:&lt;br /&gt;
** From [[Vampire: The Requiem]], there&#039;s the the Lancea et Sanctum, which might be best described as &amp;quot;Christianity for Vampires&amp;quot;, and the Circle of the Crone, which is &amp;quot;Pagan Vampires&amp;quot;. Both have Vampire miracles on tap (pun intended).&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Hunter: The Vigil]] has various religious organizations among the Compacts and Conspiracies, some very similar to real world ones, others...not so much. &lt;br /&gt;
** [[Mage: The Ascension]] has various religious Traditions, portrayed in that highly-stereotypical and highly-depending-on-the-author way typical of old WoD.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Mythology]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Topquote|I came here in peace, seeking gold and slaves.|Jack Handey, &#039;&#039;What I&#039;d Say to the Martians&#039;&#039;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Slavery&#039;&#039;&#039; is the institution of owning other humans ([[Hard Science Fiction|as well as other sapient]] [[Soft Science Fiction|beings by extrapolation]]) as property. As slaves are bound to their owners, they were prevented from leaving or refusing to work under threat of immediate violence for disobedience. When two groups would fight, it was not uncommon for the victor to capture some of the defeated along with the goods or territory and put them to work. Later on, as long-distance trade improved, they also began selling said captives to other cultures. The children of slaves usually were slaves themselves, though this was not universal.&lt;br /&gt;
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In other cases, people would be put into slavery as a punishment, e.g. for failure to pay their debts, or voluntarily such as an alternative to paying for something. Some systems of slavery even offered opportunities for, like the Devshirmeh system in Ottoman Empire, where boys taken from among Christian vassals who were bright enough could actually end up as Grand Vizier of the Empire (with a few caveats, such as all of them had to be converted to Islam - willingly or not, either way they weren&#039;t allowed to stay Christian).&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition to the practice of owning human beings as chattel, there are other contemporary and historical arrangements so similar to slavery that they are referred to as slavery informally or at that point in history. A few of these include serfdom ([[Peasant|serfs]] were not owned, but they were bound to the land owned by [[noble]]s and are required to work the noble&#039;s land 2-3 days per week for free and keep what else they could grow-keep-trade), indentured servitude in colonial America (in exchange for passage to the new world being paid, criminal fines or to discharge a debt, someone would be indentured to a contract holder and have to work off their debt over a number of years such as British criminals), impressment and shanghaiing (where people were kidnapped from ports or ships and forced to serve as sailors with said debt not being hereditary), the various forced labor programs used by the [[Nazi]]s, [[Communism|Communists]], and other despotic regimes and the victims of human trafficking which is still ongoing today.&lt;br /&gt;
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== History stuff ==&lt;br /&gt;
The oldest surviving codex of laws yet discovered in the world, the Code of Ur-Nammu, has multiple references to slaves, so slavery has been with humanity for a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; long time. Slavery was practiced in virtually every culture at some point throughout their history; as soon as a people progressed from a hunter-gathering and nomadic culture to an agrarian one it became more convenient to look for ways to increase productivity and lower expenses. Before the advent of modern machinery, that way was some flavor of slave workforce since you generally had to spend less resources on a slave than you would on your fellow clan member. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the ancient world, basically all civilizations made use of slavery to some degree or another. Prisoners of war were taken as slaves and made to ply their trade for their conquerors, or were sold abroad for goods. Since civilizations would wax and wane from time to time, the enslavers of one generation might end up enslaved in the next. The Greeks made heavier-than-usual use of slaves, and the Romans even more so. The Persians did not use slavery themselves and tried to limit it, but slavery did exist in their Empire among their conquered vassals. Slaves worked in every field from miners (who were quickly worked to death) to farmers, to factory workers and skilled craftsmen, to entertainers, teachers and doctors (particularly Greeks who could buy their freedom in a year, or even less if skilled) and even up to high ranking government officials in the Empire. Ancient Romans used to grumble about all these slaves coming in stealing people&#039;s jobs (this sentence is not a joke).&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery existed in [[Medieval Stasis|Medieval Europe]], but declined after the year 1,000 AD in a lot of places, especially the north.  The Vikings practiced slavery, acquiring them primarily on their expeditions to Eastern Europe and the British Isles. They could also obtain Viking slaves at home, as crimes like murder and thievery were punished with slavery or through doing business with the Arab Slave Trade.  The basis for the modern English word slave gets its roots here, as the Slavic races were so often put upon that they pretty much named [[Grimdark|the ordeal after them]]. After the Europeans discovered the continent of Africa, there was much contact between local tribes and foreigners and many nations would take slaves from the peoples of Africa abetted at times by local slavery systems among African people themselves (see below). This brought up the matter of racial slavery. In the Classical World (and Rome in particular), slaves were basically from everywhere in the Empire and many places beyond and the children of freed slaves in Rome became more Romans. Slavery is not a nice thing even at the best of times, but racial slavery adds to it the conception that an enslaved race is inferior, doomed to servitude forever, and that people from it are unfit for anything else. Those caught up in it had little hope of ever elevating themselves from a state of being a form of livestock with the hands for manual labor. Slave ships sailed from Europe to Africa loaded with manufactured goods, textiles, guns and gunpowder which they traded for captives taken in war, who were then packed in like sardines to be shipped off to the New World. There they loaded up on tobacco and sugar and sailed back to Europe. [[Grimdark|In Brazil and most of the Caribbean between 1600 and 1800, the slave population never was able to achieve natural replacement rates due to a high death rate from overwork and abuse by their masters]]. The American system of slavery (aka &amp;quot;the peculiar institution&amp;quot;) would arguably require an entire article of its own, but since we&#039;d rather not try to poke that hornet&#039;s nest it&#039;s enough to say that it was not much better than the Caribbean experience and was only abolished by Republican President Abraham Lincoln after the American Civil War. &lt;br /&gt;
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Africa has had slavery between its various tribes and kingdoms for millennia, even to the present day.  Between this and many foreign civilizations making extensive use of African slaves, the history of slavery in Africa is complicated and violent. In Africa, even prior to the Arab slave trade or the (comparatively recent) Atlantic/European slave trade, slavery happened in all the forms from ancient times. This was enacted between the various tribes and nations of Africa; however, in many African societies where slavery was prevalent, the enslaved people were not treated as chattel slaves and had certain rights in a system similar to indentured servitude elsewhere in the world. When the Arab slave trade - and centuries later, the Atlantic slave trade - began, many of the local slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa.  They also supplied criminals and captives from rival tribes or nations to the Arab, European or American slave trades.  This means African slave traders unwittingly helped fan the flames of the issue of racial slavery, unaware of the dehumanization these buyers would subject them to- and that&#039;s before the Scramble for Africa caused many of them to become slaves themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the Ottoman Empire, who can &#039;&#039;arguably&#039;&#039; can be seen as a continuity of the Eastern Roman Empire, the system was more or less the same, but with a small possibility of moving up if you were a Christian (or claiming to be one) because Christians (and Jews) are considered &amp;quot;people of the Book&amp;quot;, meaning the worthiest of non-Muslim people according to Islam. &#039;&#039;Devshirmeh&#039;&#039; is the name for the system of taking one boy out of 40 houses from the population of Christian vassals in the Ottoman Empire; this mostly meant Balkan Christians with the inclusion of Bosniak Muslims, and Armenians, Romani and Jews were explicitly excluded. The taken boys were converted to Islam (or pretended to, either way they didn&#039;t have a choice), then made into elite monastic troops called Janissaries (new soldiers); if they proved to be intelligent, they were sent to the Imperial Academy in Enderun to become bureaucrats. Being slaves, they had no &#039;&#039;habeas corpus&#039;&#039; and could be executed at any time - in theory.  In practice, while the threat hanging over their heads was very real, they could also push back against this by working their way into Ottoman military policy, marrying Ottoman princesses, engineering palace coups to kill off sultans who didn&#039;t pay them enough, or even investing back in their native countries such as Bosnia (the reason Bosniaks mourned the fall of the Janissary institution while EVERYONE ELSE celebrated it).  The dangers of the &#039;&#039;devshirmeh&#039;&#039; system didn&#039;t stop some families from actively sending their kids, who were seen as too smart and full of potential to die toiling in some Balkan countryside; said desperation was often to the point of bribing the Janissary Aghas. &lt;br /&gt;
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Female slaves in the Ottoman Empire &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; end up in the palace as a concubine, but this involved more mindfuckery and tricks between concubines than a game of poker with [[Tzeentch]], and no concubine ever ended up dying in her bed. Ironically, concubines who lost the Sultan&#039;s favor would marry Viziers and other Ottoman Sipahi lords, and ended up &#039;&#039;far better&#039;&#039; than those gunning to the top. With the advent of nationalism, the French Revolution, and the growing need for military reforms bitterly opposed by the Janissaries, the system&#039;s flaws burst like rotting cysts, and Slavery went the way of the Dodo in 1847 thanks to [[Noblebright|Abdulmajid&#039;s reforms]]. The harem was numerous enough by then, and the freed whites went on with their lives while the black population [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks settled in Western Turkey as free farmers].&lt;br /&gt;
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Eurasia, particularly Ukraine, was the hotbed of slavery for the Ottoman Empire, with the port city of Caffa being the continent&#039;s major slave ports. The Russians liberated it from the Crimean Khanate, whose major income was thousands of taken women and children from villages, supplying the Ottoman Empire&#039;s need for European/white women. Evliya Çelebi even wrote about the despair and cries of women separated from their children and then sold separately. &lt;br /&gt;
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In contrast to the above, slavery is virtually never mentioned in [[Oriental Adventures|east Asian-inspired]] settings. This has some basis in history in certain areas: The [[Mongols]]&#039; nomadic lifestyle was not conductive to widespread slavery, though they did take some captives as slaves ([[Genghis motherfucking Khan|Genghis Khan]] himself was briefly a slave in his youth), and during the Mongol Empire&#039;s runs on conquering China people were often little better than slaves anyway. The Chinese themselves went through several periods of loosening and then making stricter laws surrounding slavery, usually rallying around who was in charge following their frequent wars to unify, only to break apart once more. The inhabitants of the Ryukyu islands &amp;quot;would die over&amp;quot; slavery rather than participate. Slavery in Asia was probably most prolific on the Korean peninsula, who had a caste system, but population growth, a few slave revolts and modernization eventually rendered it less than palatable.&lt;br /&gt;
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The earliest European reports of [[Japan]] mention that, though it existed there, slavery was rare and primarily inflicted on debtors and prisoners of war. The main recorded examples are the maids/concubines of the rich, and those brought by Europeans themselves. One European held slave&#039;s physical stature impressed Oda Nobunaga so much that he purchased him, freed him and elevated him to samurai status. This man would be known as Yasuke, [[Anime|the only black samurai]]. During the Sengoku a not-insignificant of Japanese prisoners of war were sold to the Europeans for foreign trade until 1587/1595, when Toyotomi Hideyoshi banned it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Slavery in Fantasy==&lt;br /&gt;
Because slavery is viewed as such a moral repugnance throughout the modern world, it is an easy way for lazy [[GM]]s to get a reaction from players. Slavery being one of the common features of a setting&#039;s bad guys makes for an easy way to establish that civilization or organization is [[Alignment|evil]]. A bunch of armed guys attack a peaceful village with chains and whips to catch its residents, bind them, and take them to their dwelling, where they&#039;re treated worse than how we treat livestock and forced to: toil, be beaten, probably raped, and  made to fight to the death in arenas for the amusement and benefit of some sick bastards? That is more than enough reason to establish &amp;quot;these guys are bad, go [[murderhobo|kill their asses]]&amp;quot; regardless of alignment; even Evil characters can simply indulge their drive to kill by offing slavers, and exploit the freed villagers and their families for more favors - particularly Lawful Evil ones.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, this is not always the case; both the perceived &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; factions can also engage in slavery, although how they do it usually defines who&#039;s good and who&#039;s bad (regardless of how minute the difference is). Take [[Araby]] and the [[Dark Elves]] in the &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer Fantasy Battles|Warhammer Fantasy]]&#039;&#039; setting, for example. Both factions engage in wanton slavery and have no qualms about it being a common thing everywhere. However, what sort of defines each of them is how they see their slaves. In Araby, slaves have several rights, the children of slaves are guaranteed by law to not be slaves, and particularly cruel mistreatment of slaves will result in punishment to the masters and the mistreated becoming free. The Dark Elves consider all non-Dark Elves to be beneath them and will torture and maim their slaves, just because they think it is fun.&lt;br /&gt;
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Though it is found in both, slavery is more common in fantasy settings than in science fiction. In your typical Tolkien knockoff, the way you go about digging rocks, harvesting lumber, tilling fields and raising buildings is normally with strong backs. In most sci-fi worlds, why have a bunch of slaves working in an irradiated asteroid space mine when you could have a bunch of robots who don&#039;t need slave drivers, don&#039;t require food or air, won&#039;t plot escape/rebellion ([[Men of Iron|&#039;&#039;&#039;hopefully&#039;&#039;&#039;]]), and are stronger and easier to repair if damaged? &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer 40,000]]&#039;&#039; actually justifies having slaves fairly well in that, in the [[Imperium]], such automation is considered techno-[[heresy]] (or simply decayed like spaceship artillery loaders) due to a robot rebellion happening in the past and the risk of Chaos corruption for the machines, while the [[Dark Eldar]] are sick bastards who need to consume souls of psychically susceptible species (human youngsters are prime specimens, while Tau souls taste bland and weak) and get their rocks off at making others miserable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery of a [[/d/|certain kind]] is a common feature of many [[Magical Realm]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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==A Digression About the Economics of Slavery==&lt;br /&gt;
For serious worldbuilders who have it, you need to consider what economics already considers a long-standing question: Is slavery profitable in the long term, and if so where?&lt;br /&gt;
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The consensus answer among economic historians to the first one is that yes, slavery can be profitable, but only in those situations where technology does not offer a faster/cheaper/safer solution. Indeed, most ancient Empires (Egyptian, Greek, Roman) had some form of institutionalized slavery that allowed them to endure. This being said, the very concept of slavery has some serious downsides (that have nothing to do with morality) dooming it in the long run. The short answer to the &amp;quot;where&amp;quot; question is &amp;quot;cash crops and other agriculture, unskilled labor, and a bit of mining&amp;quot;, in roughly that order of profitability.&lt;br /&gt;
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The practical downsides that doom slavery include, but are not limited to:&lt;br /&gt;
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*First of all, in any area where sabotage is a serious concern slavery is usually a non-starter. For a recent example, look at the [[Nazi]]s using forced labor to build their weapons later in the war, and the quality of said weapons. That rules out most semi-modern mining, as well as just about any industry with any degree of mechanization and a surprising amount of agriculture.&lt;br /&gt;
** Despite mining being the stereotypical use of slaves in fiction, mining past a certain depth is sufficiently deadly and expensive that semi-skilled labor is &#039;&#039;&#039;absolutely required&#039;&#039;&#039;, and a slave has a nice way to commit suicide AND hurt his master&#039;s profits at the same time. While &#039;&#039;other&#039;&#039; exploitative practices may be used, the training required means actual slavery-based mining is very much a no-go save for tasks such as the very basic work of breaking surface mineral seams, as well as open-pit mining, where &amp;quot;getting stuck&amp;quot; is not an issue and carrying loads to processing stations a la South American silver mining done by Spanish or simple stone quarries where all one needs doing is to hit a stone with a pick and carry the result to storage.&lt;br /&gt;
*Second, unless reproduction is heavily encouraged, slave populations have a tendency to drop over time, especially compared to relatively free populations (even ignoring manumission and escapes), and five seconds of thought on slaves&#039; living conditions should lead to a few obvious conclusions as to why. So if you want to keep up, you need to constantly raid (or trade with raiders) for more slaves. Last time this was done beyond the 16th century, the United States wrecked the entire Barbary coast with artillery and freed slaves. So any &amp;quot;sustainable&amp;quot; raiding *will* attract military threats that will make sure any slave taken will eventually be more expensive than a free worker who is A) already available and willing, B) lives within the empire and C) has many motivations, such as family, welfare and [[Tzeentch|hopes for a good future]]).&lt;br /&gt;
*Third, slave-holding societies are usually economically out-competed by non-slave-holding societies once military considerations are either removed or temporarily equalized. There are plenty of reasons for this, but the big ones are the twin spectres of Incentives (which align more closely in non-slave societies) and Efficiency (effort you expend on keeping slaves from escaping or rebelling could usually be more productively used elsewhere, and that&#039;s just to &#039;&#039;start&#039;&#039;, saying nothing of potentially intelligent slaves wasted in labor they are not optimal for rather than being educated and made into scientists).&lt;br /&gt;
*Fourth, if slaves are owned in large numbers they start to displace the local non-slaves. This is not a simple case of [[Meme|&amp;quot;DEY TOOK AHR JERBS&amp;quot;]], as the Romans can attest: when large numbers of slaves started to displace local farmers who were forced to sell their land for some reason or the other, said ex-farmers were driven to the cities, where there were not a lot of jobs either. This bred poverty, and from poverty rose a class dissatisfied with their lot in life as they starve while the rich grow fat. And from this rose political and civilian unrest, which is never good for any state. In the case of the Romans, this gave birth to a populist dictator, Julius Caesar and his adoptive son Octavian, which created a major precedent for all modern dictatorships and bread-and-circuses states.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Topquote|I came here in peace, seeking gold and slaves.|Jack Handey, &#039;&#039;What I&#039;d Say to the Martians&#039;&#039;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Slavery&#039;&#039;&#039; is the institution of owning other humans ([[Hard Science Fiction|as well as other sapient]] [[Soft Science Fiction|beings by extrapolation]]) as property. As slaves are bound to their owners, they were prevented from leaving or refusing to work under threat of immediate violence for disobedience. When two groups would fight, it was not uncommon for the victor to capture some of the defeated along with the goods or territory and put them to work. Later on, as long-distance trade improved, they also began selling said captives to other cultures. The children of slaves usually were slaves themselves, though this was not universal.&lt;br /&gt;
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In other cases, people would be put into slavery as a punishment, e.g. for failure to pay their debts, or voluntarily such as an alternative to paying for something. Some systems of slavery even offered opportunities for, like the Devshirmeh system in Ottoman Empire, where boys taken from among Christian vassals who were bright enough could actually end up as Grand Vizier of the Empire (with a few caveats, such as all of them had to be converted to Islam - willingly or not, either way they weren&#039;t allowed to stay Christian).&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition to the practice of owning human beings as chattel, there are other contemporary and historical arrangements so similar to slavery that they are referred to as slavery informally or at that point in history. A few of these include serfdom ([[Peasant|serfs]] were not owned, but they were bound to the land owned by [[noble]]s and are required to work the noble&#039;s land 2-3 days per week for free and keep what else they could grow-keep-trade), indentured servitude in colonial America (in exchange for passage to the new world being paid, criminal fines or to discharge a debt, someone would be indentured to a contract holder and have to work off their debt over a number of years such as British criminals), impressment and shanghaiing (where people were kidnapped from ports or ships and forced to serve as sailors with said debt not being hereditary), the various forced labor programs used by the [[Nazi]]s, [[Communism|Communists]], and other despotic regimes and the victims of human trafficking which is still ongoing today.&lt;br /&gt;
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== History stuff ==&lt;br /&gt;
The oldest surviving codex of laws yet discovered in the world, the Code of Ur-Nammu, has multiple references to slaves, so slavery has been with humanity for a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; long time. Slavery was practiced in virtually every culture at some point throughout their history; as soon as a people progressed from a hunter-gathering and nomadic culture to an agrarian one it became more convenient to look for ways to increase productivity and lower expenses. Before the advent of modern machinery, that way was some flavor of slave workforce since you generally had to spend less resources on a slave than you would on your fellow clan member. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the ancient world, basically all civilizations made use of slavery to some degree or another. Prisoners of war were taken as slaves and made to ply their trade for their conquerors, or were sold abroad for goods. Since civilizations would wax and wane from time to time, the enslavers of one generation might end up enslaved in the next. The Greeks made heavier-than-usual use of slaves, and the Romans even more so. The Persians did not use slavery themselves and tried to limit it, but slavery did exist in their Empire among their conquered vassals. Slaves worked in every field from miners (who were quickly worked to death) to farmers, to factory workers and skilled craftsmen, to entertainers, teachers and doctors (particularly Greeks who could buy their freedom in a year, or even less if skilled) and even up to high ranking government officials in the Empire. Ancient Romans used to grumble about all these slaves coming in stealing people&#039;s jobs (this sentence is not a joke).&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery existed in [[Medieval Stasis|Medieval Europe]], but declined after the year 1,000 AD in a lot of places, especially the north.  The Vikings practiced slavery, acquiring them primarily on their expeditions to Eastern Europe and the British Isles. They could also obtain Viking slaves at home, as crimes like murder and thievery were punished with slavery or through doing business with the Arab Slave Trade.  The basis for the modern English word slave gets its roots here, as the Slavic races were so often put upon that they pretty much named [[Grimdark|the ordeal after them]]. After the Europeans discovered the continent of Africa, there was much contact between local tribes and foreigners and many nations would take slaves from the peoples of Africa abetted at times by local slavery systems among African people themselves (see below). This brought up the matter of racial slavery. In the Classical World (and Rome in particular), slaves were basically from everywhere in the Empire and many places beyond and the children of freed slaves in Rome became more Romans. Slavery is not a nice thing even at the best of times, but racial slavery adds to it the conception that an enslaved race is inferior, doomed to servitude forever, and that people from it are unfit for anything else. Those caught up in it had little hope of ever elevating themselves from a state of being a form of livestock with the hands for manual labor. Slave ships sailed from Europe to Africa loaded with manufactured goods, textiles, guns and gunpowder which they traded for captives taken in war, who were then packed in like sardines to be shipped off to the New World. There they loaded up on tobacco and sugar and sailed back to Europe. [[Grimdark|In Brazil and most of the Caribbean between 1600 and 1800, the slave population never was able to achieve natural replacement rates due to a high death rate from overwork and abuse by their masters]]. The American system of slavery (aka &amp;quot;the peculiar institution&amp;quot;) would arguably require an entire article of its own, but since we&#039;d rather not try to poke that hornet&#039;s nest it&#039;s enough to say that it was not much better than the Caribbean experience and was only abolished by Republican President Abraham Lincoln after the American Civil War. &lt;br /&gt;
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Africa has had slavery between its various tribes and kingdoms for millennia, even to the present day.  Between this and many foreign civilizations making extensive use of African slaves, the history of slavery in Africa is complicated and violent. In Africa, even prior to the Arab slave trade or the Atlantic/European slave trade, slavery happened in all the forms from ancient times. This was enacted between the various tribes and nations of Africa; however, in many African societies where slavery was prevalent, the enslaved people were not treated as chattel slaves and had certain rights in a system similar to indentured servitude elsewhere in the world. When the Arab slave trade - and centuries later, the Atlantic slave trade - began, many of the local slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa.  They also supplied criminals and captives from rival tribes or nations to the Arab, European or American slave trades.  This means African slave traders unwittingly helped fan the flames of the issue of racial slavery, unaware of the dehumanization these buyers would subject them to- and that&#039;s before the Scramble for Africa caused many of them to become slaves themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the Ottoman Empire, who can &#039;&#039;arguably&#039;&#039; can be seen as a continuity of the Eastern Roman Empire, the system was more or less the same, but with a small possibility of moving up if you were a Christian (or claiming to be one) because Christians (and Jews) are considered &amp;quot;people of the Book&amp;quot;, meaning the worthiest of non-Muslim people according to Islam. &#039;&#039;Devshirmeh&#039;&#039; is the name for the system of taking one boy out of 40 houses from the population of Christian vassals in the Ottoman Empire; this mostly meant Balkan Christians with the inclusion of Bosniak Muslims, and Armenians, Romani and Jews were explicitly excluded. The taken boys were converted to Islam (or pretended to, either way they didn&#039;t have a choice), then made into elite monastic troops called Janissaries (new soldiers); if they proved to be intelligent, they were sent to the Imperial Academy in Enderun to become bureaucrats. Being slaves, they had no &#039;&#039;habeas corpus&#039;&#039; and could be executed at any time - in theory.  In practice, while the threat hanging over their heads was very real, they could also push back against this by working their way into Ottoman military policy, marrying Ottoman princesses, engineering palace coups to kill off sultans who didn&#039;t pay them enough, or even investing back in their native countries such as Bosnia (the reason Bosniaks mourned the fall of the Janissary institution while EVERYONE ELSE celebrated it).  The dangers of the &#039;&#039;devshirmeh&#039;&#039; system didn&#039;t stop some families from actively sending their kids, who were seen as too smart and full of potential to die toiling in some Balkan countryside; said desperation was often to the point of bribing the Janissary Aghas. &lt;br /&gt;
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Female slaves in the Ottoman Empire &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; end up in the palace as a concubine, but this involved more mindfuckery and tricks between concubines than a game of poker with [[Tzeentch]], and no concubine ever ended up dying in her bed. Ironically, concubines who lost the Sultan&#039;s favor would marry Viziers and other Ottoman Sipahi lords, and ended up &#039;&#039;far better&#039;&#039; than those gunning to the top. With the advent of nationalism, the French Revolution, and the growing need for military reforms bitterly opposed by the Janissaries, the system&#039;s flaws burst like rotting cysts, and Slavery went the way of the Dodo in 1847 thanks to [[Noblebright|Abdulmajid&#039;s reforms]]. The harem was numerous enough by then, and the freed whites went on with their lives while the black population [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks settled in Western Turkey as free farmers].&lt;br /&gt;
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Eurasia, particularly Ukraine, was the hotbed of slavery for the Ottoman Empire, with the port city of Caffa being the continent&#039;s major slave ports. The Russians liberated it from the Crimean Khanate, whose major income was thousands of taken women and children from villages, supplying the Ottoman Empire&#039;s need for European/white women. Evliya Çelebi even wrote about the despair and cries of women separated from their children and then sold separately. &lt;br /&gt;
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In contrast to the above, slavery is virtually never mentioned in [[Oriental Adventures|east Asian-inspired]] settings. This has some basis in history in certain areas: The [[Mongols]]&#039; nomadic lifestyle was not conductive to widespread slavery, though they did take some captives as slaves ([[Genghis motherfucking Khan|Genghis Khan]] himself was briefly a slave in his youth), and during the Mongol Empire&#039;s runs on conquering China people were often little better than slaves anyway. The Chinese themselves went through several periods of loosening and then making stricter laws surrounding slavery, usually rallying around who was in charge following their frequent wars to unify, only to break apart once more. The inhabitants of the Ryukyu islands &amp;quot;would die over&amp;quot; slavery rather than participate. Slavery in Asia was probably most prolific on the Korean peninsula, who had a caste system, but population growth, a few slave revolts and modernization eventually rendered it less than palatable.&lt;br /&gt;
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The earliest European reports of [[Japan]] mention that, though it existed there, slavery was rare and primarily inflicted on debtors and prisoners of war. The main recorded examples are the maids/concubines of the rich, and those brought by Europeans themselves. One European held slave&#039;s physical stature impressed Oda Nobunaga so much that he purchased him, freed him and elevated him to samurai status. This man would be known as Yasuke, [[Anime|the only black samurai]]. During the Sengoku a not-insignificant of Japanese prisoners of war were sold to the Europeans for foreign trade until 1587/1595, when Toyotomi Hideyoshi banned it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Slavery in Fantasy==&lt;br /&gt;
Because slavery is viewed as such a moral repugnance throughout the modern world, it is an easy way for lazy [[GM]]s to get a reaction from players. Slavery being one of the common features of a setting&#039;s bad guys makes for an easy way to establish that civilization or organization is [[Alignment|evil]]. A bunch of armed guys attack a peaceful village with chains and whips to catch its residents, bind them, and take them to their dwelling, where they&#039;re treated worse than how we treat livestock and forced to: toil, be beaten, probably raped, and  made to fight to the death in arenas for the amusement and benefit of some sick bastards? That is more than enough reason to establish &amp;quot;these guys are bad, go [[murderhobo|kill their asses]]&amp;quot; regardless of alignment; even Evil characters can simply indulge their drive to kill by offing slavers, and exploit the freed villagers and their families for more favors - particularly Lawful Evil ones.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, this is not always the case; both the perceived &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; factions can also engage in slavery, although how they do it usually defines who&#039;s good and who&#039;s bad (regardless of how minute the difference is). Take [[Araby]] and the [[Dark Elves]] in the &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer Fantasy Battles|Warhammer Fantasy]]&#039;&#039; setting, for example. Both factions engage in wanton slavery and have no qualms about it being a common thing everywhere. However, what sort of defines each of them is how they see their slaves. In Araby, slaves have several rights, the children of slaves are guaranteed by law to not be slaves, and particularly cruel mistreatment of slaves will result in punishment to the masters and the mistreated becoming free. The Dark Elves consider all non-Dark Elves to be beneath them and will torture and maim their slaves, just because they think it is fun.&lt;br /&gt;
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Though it is found in both, slavery is more common in fantasy settings than in science fiction. In your typical Tolkien knockoff, the way you go about digging rocks, harvesting lumber, tilling fields and raising buildings is normally with strong backs. In most sci-fi worlds, why have a bunch of slaves working in an irradiated asteroid space mine when you could have a bunch of robots who don&#039;t need slave drivers, don&#039;t require food or air, won&#039;t plot escape/rebellion ([[Men of Iron|&#039;&#039;&#039;hopefully&#039;&#039;&#039;]]), and are stronger and easier to repair if damaged? &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer 40,000]]&#039;&#039; actually justifies having slaves fairly well in that, in the [[Imperium]], such automation is considered techno-[[heresy]] (or simply decayed like spaceship artillery loaders) due to a robot rebellion happening in the past and the risk of Chaos corruption for the machines, while the [[Dark Eldar]] are sick bastards who need to consume souls of psychically susceptible species (human youngsters are prime specimens, while Tau souls taste bland and weak) and get their rocks off at making others miserable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery of a [[/d/|certain kind]] is a common feature of many [[Magical Realm]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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==A Digression About the Economics of Slavery==&lt;br /&gt;
For serious worldbuilders who have it, you need to consider what economics already considers a long-standing question: Is slavery profitable in the long term, and if so where?&lt;br /&gt;
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The consensus answer among economic historians to the first one is that yes, slavery can be profitable, but only in those situations where technology does not offer a faster/cheaper/safer solution. Indeed, most ancient Empires (Egyptian, Greek, Roman) had some form of institutionalized slavery that allowed them to endure. This being said, the very concept of slavery has some serious downsides (that have nothing to do with morality) dooming it in the long run. The short answer to the &amp;quot;where&amp;quot; question is &amp;quot;cash crops and other agriculture, unskilled labor, and a bit of mining&amp;quot;, in roughly that order of profitability.&lt;br /&gt;
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The practical downsides that doom slavery include, but are not limited to:&lt;br /&gt;
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*First of all, in any area where sabotage is a serious concern slavery is usually a non-starter. For a recent example, look at the [[Nazi]]s using forced labor to build their weapons later in the war, and the quality of said weapons. That rules out most semi-modern mining, as well as just about any industry with any degree of mechanization and a surprising amount of agriculture.&lt;br /&gt;
** Despite mining being the stereotypical use of slaves in fiction, mining past a certain depth is sufficiently deadly and expensive that semi-skilled labor is &#039;&#039;&#039;absolutely required&#039;&#039;&#039;, and a slave has a nice way to commit suicide AND hurt his master&#039;s profits at the same time. While &#039;&#039;other&#039;&#039; exploitative practices may be used, the training required means actual slavery-based mining is very much a no-go save for tasks such as the very basic work of breaking surface mineral seams, as well as open-pit mining, where &amp;quot;getting stuck&amp;quot; is not an issue and carrying loads to processing stations a la South American silver mining done by Spanish or simple stone quarries where all one needs doing is to hit a stone with a pick and carry the result to storage.&lt;br /&gt;
*Second, unless reproduction is heavily encouraged, slave populations have a tendency to drop over time, especially compared to relatively free populations (even ignoring manumission and escapes), and five seconds of thought on slaves&#039; living conditions should lead to a few obvious conclusions as to why. So if you want to keep up, you need to constantly raid (or trade with raiders) for more slaves. Last time this was done beyond the 16th century, the United States wrecked the entire Barbary coast with artillery and freed slaves. So any &amp;quot;sustainable&amp;quot; raiding *will* attract military threats that will make sure any slave taken will eventually be more expensive than a free worker who is A) already available and willing, B) lives within the empire and C) has many motivations, such as family, welfare and [[Tzeentch|hopes for a good future]]).&lt;br /&gt;
*Third, slave-holding societies are usually economically out-competed by non-slave-holding societies once military considerations are either removed or temporarily equalized. There are plenty of reasons for this, but the big ones are the twin spectres of Incentives (which align more closely in non-slave societies) and Efficiency (effort you expend on keeping slaves from escaping or rebelling could usually be more productively used elsewhere, and that&#039;s just to &#039;&#039;start&#039;&#039;, saying nothing of potentially intelligent slaves wasted in labor they are not optimal for rather than being educated and made into scientists).&lt;br /&gt;
*Fourth, if slaves are owned in large numbers they start to displace the local non-slaves. This is not a simple case of [[Meme|&amp;quot;DEY TOOK AHR JERBS&amp;quot;]], as the Romans can attest: when large numbers of slaves started to displace local farmers who were forced to sell their land for some reason or the other, said ex-farmers were driven to the cities, where there were not a lot of jobs either. This bred poverty, and from poverty rose a class dissatisfied with their lot in life as they starve while the rich grow fat. And from this rose political and civilian unrest, which is never good for any state. In the case of the Romans, this gave birth to a populist dictator, Julius Caesar and his adoptive son Octavian, which created a major precedent for all modern dictatorships and bread-and-circuses states.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:History]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Slavery</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;2406:3400:20F:FFC0:B46C:7999:569F:6357: /* History stuff */ The African slave traders were using slaves too, I think they would&amp;#039;ve had some exploitation of their own also going on.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[image:Slaves sugar cane.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Slaves harvesting sugar cane, not a lot fun for them. It is really good in tea, though.]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{Topquote|I came here in peace, seeking gold and slaves.|Jack Handey, &#039;&#039;What I&#039;d Say to the Martians&#039;&#039;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Slavery&#039;&#039;&#039; is the institution of owning other humans ([[Hard Science Fiction|as well as other sapient]] [[Soft Science Fiction|beings by extrapolation]]) as property. As slaves are bound to their owners, they were prevented from leaving or refusing to work under threat of immediate violence for disobedience. When two groups would fight, it was not uncommon for the victor to capture some of the defeated along with the goods or territory and put them to work. Later on, as long-distance trade improved, they also began selling said captives to other cultures. The children of slaves usually were slaves themselves, though this was not universal.&lt;br /&gt;
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In other cases, people would be put into slavery as a punishment, e.g. for failure to pay their debts, or voluntarily such as an alternative to paying for something. Some systems of slavery even offered opportunities for, like the Devshirmeh system in Ottoman Empire, where boys taken from among Christian vassals who were bright enough could actually end up as Grand Vizier of the Empire (with a few caveats, such as all of them had to be converted to Islam - willingly or not, either way they weren&#039;t allowed to stay Christian).&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition to the practice of owning human beings as chattel, there are other contemporary and historical arrangements so similar to slavery that they are referred to as slavery informally or at that point in history. A few of these include serfdom ([[Peasant|serfs]] were not owned, but they were bound to the land owned by [[noble]]s and are required to work the noble&#039;s land 2-3 days per week for free and keep what else they could grow-keep-trade), indentured servitude in colonial America (in exchange for passage to the new world being paid, criminal fines or to discharge a debt, someone would be indentured to a contract holder and have to work off their debt over a number of years such as British criminals), impressment and shanghaiing (where people were kidnapped from ports or ships and forced to serve as sailors with said debt not being hereditary), the various forced labor programs used by the [[Nazi]]s, [[Communism|Communists]], and other despotic regimes and the victims of human trafficking which is still ongoing today.&lt;br /&gt;
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== History stuff ==&lt;br /&gt;
The oldest surviving codex of laws yet discovered in the world, the Code of Ur-Nammu, has multiple references to slaves, so slavery has been with humanity for a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; long time. Slavery was practiced in virtually every culture at some point throughout their history; as soon as a people progressed from a hunter-gathering and nomadic culture to an agrarian one it became more convenient to look for ways to increase productivity and lower expenses. Before the advent of modern machinery, that way was some flavor of slave workforce since you generally had to spend less resources on a slave than you would on your fellow clan member. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the ancient world, basically all civilizations made use of slavery to some degree or another. Prisoners of war were taken as slaves and made to ply their trade for their conquerors, or were sold abroad for goods. Since civilizations would wax and wane from time to time, the enslavers of one generation might end up enslaved in the next. The Greeks made heavier-than-usual use of slaves, and the Romans even more so. The Persians did not use slavery themselves and tried to limit it, but slavery did exist in their Empire among their conquered vassals. Slaves worked in every field from miners (who were quickly worked to death) to farmers, to factory workers and skilled craftsmen, to entertainers, teachers and doctors (particularly Greeks who could buy their freedom in a year, or even less if skilled) and even up to high ranking government officials in the Empire. Ancient Romans used to grumble about all these slaves coming in stealing people&#039;s jobs (this sentence is not a joke).&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery existed in [[Medieval Stasis|Medieval Europe]], but declined after the year 1,000 AD in a lot of places, especially the north.  The Vikings practiced slavery, acquiring them primarily on their expeditions to Eastern Europe and the British Isles. They could also obtain Viking slaves at home, as crimes like murder and thievery were punished with slavery.  The basis for the modern English word slave gets its roots here, as the Slavic races were so often put upon that they pretty much named [[Grimdark|the ordeal after them]]. After the Europeans discovered the continent of Africa, there was much contact between local tribes and foreigners and many nations would take slaves from the peoples of Africa abetted at times by local slavery systems among African people themselves (see below). This brought up the matter of racial slavery. In the Classical World (and Rome in particular), slaves were basically from everywhere in the Empire and many places beyond and the children of freed slaves in Rome became more Romans. Slavery is not a nice thing even at the best of times, but racial slavery adds to it the conception that an enslaved race is inferior, doomed to servitude forever, and that people from it are unfit for anything else. Those caught up in it had little hope of ever elevating themselves from a state of being a form of livestock with the hands for manual labor. Slave ships sailed from Europe to Africa loaded with manufactured goods, textiles, guns and gunpowder which they traded for captives taken in war, who were then packed in like sardines to be shipped off to the New World. There they loaded up on tobacco and sugar and sailed back to Europe. [[Grimdark|In Brazil and most of the Caribbean between 1600 and 1800, the slave population never was able to achieve natural replacement rates due to a high death rate from overwork and abuse by their masters]]. The American system of slavery (aka &amp;quot;the peculiar institution&amp;quot;) would arguably require an entire article of its own, but since we&#039;d rather not try to poke that hornet&#039;s nest it&#039;s enough to say that it was not much better than the Caribbean experience and was only abolished by Republican President Abraham Lincoln after the American Civil War. &lt;br /&gt;
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Africa has had slavery between its various tribes and kingdoms for millennia, even to the present day.  Between this and many foreign civilizations making extensive use of African slaves, the history of slavery in Africa is complicated and violent. In Africa, even prior to the Arab slave trade or the Atlantic/European slave trade, slavery happened in all the forms from ancient times. This was enacted between the various tribes and nations of Africa; however, in many African societies where slavery was prevalent, the enslaved people were not treated as chattel slaves and had certain rights in a system similar to indentured servitude elsewhere in the world. When the Arab slave trade - and centuries later, the Atlantic slave trade - began, many of the local slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa.  They also supplied criminals and captives from rival tribes or nations to the Arab, European or American slave trades.  This means African slave traders unwittingly helped fan the flames of the issue of racial slavery, unaware of the dehumanization these buyers would subject them to- and that&#039;s before the Scramble for Africa caused many of them to become slaves themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the Ottoman Empire, who can &#039;&#039;arguably&#039;&#039; can be seen as a continuity of the Eastern Roman Empire, the system was more or less the same, but with a small possibility of moving up if you were a Christian (or claiming to be one) because Christians (and Jews) are considered &amp;quot;people of the Book&amp;quot;, meaning the worthiest of non-Muslim people according to Islam. &#039;&#039;Devshirmeh&#039;&#039; is the name for the system of taking one boy out of 40 houses from the population of Christian vassals in the Ottoman Empire; this mostly meant Balkan Christians with the inclusion of Bosniak Muslims, and Armenians, Romani and Jews were explicitly excluded. The taken boys were converted to Islam (or pretended to, either way they didn&#039;t have a choice), then made into elite monastic troops called Janissaries (new soldiers); if they proved to be intelligent, they were sent to the Imperial Academy in Enderun to become bureaucrats. Being slaves, they had no &#039;&#039;habeas corpus&#039;&#039; and could be executed at any time - in theory.  In practice, while the threat hanging over their heads was very real, they could also push back against this by working their way into Ottoman military policy, marrying Ottoman princesses, engineering palace coups to kill off sultans who didn&#039;t pay them enough, or even investing back in their native countries such as Bosnia (the reason Bosniaks mourned the fall of the Janissary institution while EVERYONE ELSE celebrated it).  The dangers of the &#039;&#039;devshirmeh&#039;&#039; system didn&#039;t stop some families from actively sending their kids, who were seen as too smart and full of potential to die toiling in some Balkan countryside; said desperation was often to the point of bribing the Janissary Aghas. &lt;br /&gt;
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Female slaves in the Ottoman Empire &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; end up in the palace as a concubine, but this involved more mindfuckery and tricks between concubines than a game of poker with [[Tzeentch]], and no concubine ever ended up dying in her bed. Ironically, concubines who lost the Sultan&#039;s favor would marry Viziers and other Ottoman Sipahi lords, and ended up &#039;&#039;far better&#039;&#039; than those gunning to the top. With the advent of nationalism, the French Revolution, and the growing need for military reforms bitterly opposed by the Janissaries, the system&#039;s flaws burst like rotting cysts, and Slavery went the way of the Dodo in 1847 thanks to [[Noblebright|Abdulmajid&#039;s reforms]]. The harem was numerous enough by then, and the freed whites went on with their lives while the black population [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks settled in Western Turkey as free farmers].&lt;br /&gt;
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Eurasia, particularly Ukraine, was the hotbed of slavery for the Ottoman Empire, with the port city of Caffa being the continent&#039;s major slave ports. The Russians liberated it from the Crimean Khanate, whose major income was thousands of taken women and children from villages, supplying the Ottoman Empire&#039;s need for European/white women. Evliya Çelebi even wrote about the despair and cries of women separated from their children and then sold separately. &lt;br /&gt;
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In contrast to the above, slavery is virtually never mentioned in [[Oriental Adventures|east Asian-inspired]] settings. This has some basis in history in certain areas: The [[Mongols]]&#039; nomadic lifestyle was not conductive to widespread slavery, though they did take some captives as slaves ([[Genghis motherfucking Khan|Genghis Khan]] himself was briefly a slave in his youth), and during the Mongol Empire&#039;s runs on conquering China people were often little better than slaves anyway. The Chinese themselves went through several periods of loosening and then making stricter laws surrounding slavery, usually rallying around who was in charge following their frequent wars to unify, only to break apart once more. The inhabitants of the Ryukyu islands &amp;quot;would die over&amp;quot; slavery rather than participate. Slavery in Asia was probably most prolific on the Korean peninsula, who had a caste system, but population growth, a few slave revolts and modernization eventually rendered it less than palatable.&lt;br /&gt;
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The earliest European reports of [[Japan]] mention that, though it existed there, slavery was rare and primarily inflicted on debtors and prisoners of war. The main recorded examples are the maids/concubines of the rich, and those brought by Europeans themselves. One European held slave&#039;s physical stature impressed Oda Nobunaga so much that he purchased him, freed him and elevated him to samurai status. This man would be known as Yasuke, [[Anime|the only black samurai]]. During the Sengoku a not-insignificant of Japanese prisoners of war were sold to the Europeans for foreign trade until 1587/1595, when Toyotomi Hideyoshi banned it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Slavery in Fantasy==&lt;br /&gt;
Because slavery is viewed as such a moral repugnance throughout the modern world, it is an easy way for lazy [[GM]]s to get a reaction from players. Slavery being one of the common features of a setting&#039;s bad guys makes for an easy way to establish that civilization or organization is [[Alignment|evil]]. A bunch of armed guys attack a peaceful village with chains and whips to catch its residents, bind them, and take them to their dwelling, where they&#039;re treated worse than how we treat livestock and forced to: toil, be beaten, probably raped, and  made to fight to the death in arenas for the amusement and benefit of some sick bastards? That is more than enough reason to establish &amp;quot;these guys are bad, go [[murderhobo|kill their asses]]&amp;quot; regardless of alignment; even Evil characters can simply indulge their drive to kill by offing slavers, and exploit the freed villagers and their families for more favors - particularly Lawful Evil ones.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, this is not always the case; both the perceived &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; factions can also engage in slavery, although how they do it usually defines who&#039;s good and who&#039;s bad (regardless of how minute the difference is). Take [[Araby]] and the [[Dark Elves]] in the &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer Fantasy Battles|Warhammer Fantasy]]&#039;&#039; setting, for example. Both factions engage in wanton slavery and have no qualms about it being a common thing everywhere. However, what sort of defines each of them is how they see their slaves. In Araby, slaves have several rights, the children of slaves are guaranteed by law to not be slaves, and particularly cruel mistreatment of slaves will result in punishment to the masters and the mistreated becoming free. The Dark Elves consider all non-Dark Elves to be beneath them and will torture and maim their slaves, just because they think it is fun.&lt;br /&gt;
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Though it is found in both, slavery is more common in fantasy settings than in science fiction. In your typical Tolkien knockoff, the way you go about digging rocks, harvesting lumber, tilling fields and raising buildings is normally with strong backs. In most sci-fi worlds, why have a bunch of slaves working in an irradiated asteroid space mine when you could have a bunch of robots who don&#039;t need slave drivers, don&#039;t require food or air, won&#039;t plot escape/rebellion ([[Men of Iron|&#039;&#039;&#039;hopefully&#039;&#039;&#039;]]), and are stronger and easier to repair if damaged? &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer 40,000]]&#039;&#039; actually justifies having slaves fairly well in that, in the [[Imperium]], such automation is considered techno-[[heresy]] (or simply decayed like spaceship artillery loaders) due to a robot rebellion happening in the past and the risk of Chaos corruption for the machines, while the [[Dark Eldar]] are sick bastards who need to consume souls of psychically susceptible species (human youngsters are prime specimens, while Tau souls taste bland and weak) and get their rocks off at making others miserable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery of a [[/d/|certain kind]] is a common feature of many [[Magical Realm]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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==A Digression About the Economics of Slavery==&lt;br /&gt;
For serious worldbuilders who have it, you need to consider what economics already considers a long-standing question: Is slavery profitable in the long term, and if so where?&lt;br /&gt;
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The consensus answer among economic historians to the first one is that yes, slavery can be profitable, but only in those situations where technology does not offer a faster/cheaper/safer solution. Indeed, most ancient Empires (Egyptian, Greek, Roman) had some form of institutionalized slavery that allowed them to endure. This being said, the very concept of slavery has some serious downsides (that have nothing to do with morality) dooming it in the long run. The short answer to the &amp;quot;where&amp;quot; question is &amp;quot;cash crops and other agriculture, unskilled labor, and a bit of mining&amp;quot;, in roughly that order of profitability.&lt;br /&gt;
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The practical downsides that doom slavery include, but are not limited to:&lt;br /&gt;
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*First of all, in any area where sabotage is a serious concern slavery is usually a non-starter. For a recent example, look at the [[Nazi]]s using forced labor to build their weapons later in the war, and the quality of said weapons. That rules out most semi-modern mining, as well as just about any industry with any degree of mechanization and a surprising amount of agriculture.&lt;br /&gt;
** Despite mining being the stereotypical use of slaves in fiction, mining past a certain depth is sufficiently deadly and expensive that semi-skilled labor is &#039;&#039;&#039;absolutely required&#039;&#039;&#039;, and a slave has a nice way to commit suicide AND hurt his master&#039;s profits at the same time. While &#039;&#039;other&#039;&#039; exploitative practices may be used, the training required means actual slavery-based mining is very much a no-go save for tasks such as the very basic work of breaking surface mineral seams, as well as open-pit mining, where &amp;quot;getting stuck&amp;quot; is not an issue and carrying loads to processing stations a la South American silver mining done by Spanish or simple stone quarries where all one needs doing is to hit a stone with a pick and carry the result to storage.&lt;br /&gt;
*Second, unless reproduction is heavily encouraged, slave populations have a tendency to drop over time, especially compared to relatively free populations (even ignoring manumission and escapes), and five seconds of thought on slaves&#039; living conditions should lead to a few obvious conclusions as to why. So if you want to keep up, you need to constantly raid (or trade with raiders) for more slaves. Last time this was done beyond the 16th century, the United States wrecked the entire Barbary coast with artillery and freed slaves. So any &amp;quot;sustainable&amp;quot; raiding *will* attract military threats that will make sure any slave taken will eventually be more expensive than a free worker who is A) already available and willing, B) lives within the empire and C) has many motivations, such as family, welfare and [[Tzeentch|hopes for a good future]]).&lt;br /&gt;
*Third, slave-holding societies are usually economically out-competed by non-slave-holding societies once military considerations are either removed or temporarily equalized. There are plenty of reasons for this, but the big ones are the twin spectres of Incentives (which align more closely in non-slave societies) and Efficiency (effort you expend on keeping slaves from escaping or rebelling could usually be more productively used elsewhere, and that&#039;s just to &#039;&#039;start&#039;&#039;, saying nothing of potentially intelligent slaves wasted in labor they are not optimal for rather than being educated and made into scientists).&lt;br /&gt;
*Fourth, if slaves are owned in large numbers they start to displace the local non-slaves. This is not a simple case of [[Meme|&amp;quot;DEY TOOK AHR JERBS&amp;quot;]], as the Romans can attest: when large numbers of slaves started to displace local farmers who were forced to sell their land for some reason or the other, said ex-farmers were driven to the cities, where there were not a lot of jobs either. This bred poverty, and from poverty rose a class dissatisfied with their lot in life as they starve while the rich grow fat. And from this rose political and civilian unrest, which is never good for any state. In the case of the Romans, this gave birth to a populist dictator, Julius Caesar and his adoptive son Octavian, which created a major precedent for all modern dictatorships and bread-and-circuses states.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:History]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;[[image:Slaves sugar cane.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Slaves harvesting sugar cane, not a lot fun for them. It is really good in tea, though.]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{Topquote|I came here in peace, seeking gold and slaves.|Jack Handey, &#039;&#039;What I&#039;d Say to the Martians&#039;&#039;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Slavery&#039;&#039;&#039; is the institution of owning other humans ([[Hard Science Fiction|as well as other sapient]] [[Soft Science Fiction|beings by extrapolation]]) as property. As slaves are bound to their owners, they were prevented from leaving or refusing to work under threat of immediate violence for disobedience. When two groups would fight, it was not uncommon for the victor to capture some of the defeated along with the goods or territory and put them to work. Later on, as long-distance trade improved, they also began selling said captives to other cultures. The children of slaves usually were slaves themselves, though this was not universal.&lt;br /&gt;
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In other cases, people would be put into slavery as a punishment, e.g. for failure to pay their debts, or voluntarily such as an alternative to paying for something. Some systems of slavery even offered opportunities for, like the Devshirmeh system in Ottoman Empire, where boys taken from among Christian vassals who were bright enough could actually end up as Grand Vizier of the Empire (with a few caveats, such as all of them had to be converted to Islam - willingly or not, either way they weren&#039;t allowed to stay Christian).&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition to the practice of owning human beings as chattel, there are other contemporary and historical arrangements so similar to slavery that they are referred to as slavery informally or at that point in history. A few of these include serfdom ([[Peasant|serfs]] were not owned, but they were bound to the land owned by [[noble]]s and are required to work the noble&#039;s land 2-3 days per week for free and keep what else they could grow-keep-trade), indentured servitude in colonial America (in exchange for passage to the new world being paid, criminal fines or to discharge a debt, someone would be indentured to a contract holder and have to work off their debt over a number of years such as British criminals), impressment and shanghaiing (where people were kidnapped from ports or ships and forced to serve as sailors with said debt not being hereditary), the various forced labor programs used by the [[Nazi]]s, [[Communism|Communists]], and other despotic regimes and the victims of human trafficking which is still ongoing today.&lt;br /&gt;
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== History stuff ==&lt;br /&gt;
The oldest surviving codex of laws yet discovered in the world, the Code of Ur-Nammu, has multiple references to slaves, so slavery has been with humanity for a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; long time. Slavery was practiced in virtually every culture at some point throughout their history; as soon as a people progressed from a hunter-gathering and nomadic culture to an agrarian one it became more convenient to look for ways to increase productivity and lower expenses. Before the advent of modern machinery, that way was some flavor of slave workforce since you generally had to spend less resources on a slave than you would on your fellow clan member. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the ancient world, basically all civilizations made use of slavery to some degree or another. Prisoners of war were taken as slaves and made to ply their trade for their conquerors, or were sold abroad for goods. Since civilizations would wax and wane from time to time, the enslavers of one generation might end up enslaved in the next. The Greeks made heavier-than-usual use of slaves, and the Romans even more so. The Persians did not use slavery themselves and tried to limit it, but slavery did exist in their Empire among their conquered vassals. Slaves worked in every field from miners (who were quickly worked to death) to farmers, to factory workers and skilled craftsmen, to entertainers, teachers and doctors (particularly Greeks who could buy their freedom in a year, or even less if skilled) and even up to high ranking government officials in the Empire. Ancient Romans used to grumble about all these slaves coming in stealing people&#039;s jobs (this sentence is not a joke).&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery existed in [[Medieval Stasis|Medieval Europe]], but declined after the year 1,000 AD in a lot of places, especially the north.  The Vikings practiced slavery, acquiring them primarily on their expeditions to Eastern Europe and the British Isles. They could also obtain Viking slaves at home, as crimes like murder and thievery were punished with slavery.  The basis for the modern English word slave gets its roots here, as the Slavic races were so often put upon that they pretty much named [[Grimdark|the ordeal after them]]. After the Europeans discovered the continent of Africa, there was much contact between local tribes and foreigners and many nations would take slaves from the peoples of Africa abetted at times by local slavery systems among African people themselves (see below). This brought up the matter of racial slavery. In the Classical World (and Rome in particular), slaves were basically from everywhere in the Empire and many places beyond and the children of freed slaves in Rome became more Romans. Slavery is not a nice thing even at the best of times, but racial slavery adds to it the conception that an enslaved race is inferior, doomed to servitude forever, and that people from it are unfit for anything else. Those caught up in it had little hope of ever elevating themselves from a state of being a form of livestock with the hands for manual labor. Slave ships sailed from Europe to Africa loaded with manufactured goods, textiles, guns and gunpowder which they traded for captives taken in war, who were then packed in like sardines to be shipped off to the New World. There they loaded up on tobacco and sugar and sailed back to Europe. [[Grimdark|In Brazil and most of the Caribbean between 1600 and 1800, the slave population never was able to achieve natural replacement rates due to a high death rate from overwork and abuse by their masters]]. The American system of slavery (aka &amp;quot;the peculiar institution&amp;quot;) would arguably require an entire article of its own, but since we&#039;d rather not try to poke that hornet&#039;s nest it&#039;s enough to say that it was not much better than the Caribbean experience and was only abolished by Republican President Abraham Lincoln after the American Civil War. &lt;br /&gt;
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Africa has had slavery between its various tribes and kingdoms for millennia, even to the present day.  Between this and many foreign civilizations making extensive use of African slaves, the history of slavery in Africa is complicated and violent. In Africa, even prior to the Arab slave trade or the Atlantic/European slave trade, slavery happened in all the forms from ancient times. This was enacted between the various tribes and nations of Africa; however, in many African societies where slavery was prevalent, the enslaved people were not treated as chattel slaves and had certain rights in a system similar to indentured servitude elsewhere in the world. When the Arab slave trade and Atlantic slave trade began, many of the local slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa. They also supplied criminals and captives from rival tribes or nations to the Arab, European or American slave trades. This means African slave traders unwittingly helped fan the flames of the issue of racial slavery, unaware of the exploitation and dehumanization these buyers would subject them to- and that&#039;s before the Scramble for Africa caused many of them to become slaves themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the Ottoman Empire, who can &#039;&#039;arguably&#039;&#039; can be seen as a continuity of the Eastern Roman Empire, the system was more or less the same, but with a small possibility of moving up if you were a Christian (or claiming to be one) because Christians (and Jews) are considered &amp;quot;people of the Book&amp;quot;, meaning the worthiest of non-Muslim people according to Islam. &#039;&#039;Devshirmeh&#039;&#039; is the name for the system of taking one boy out of 40 houses from the population of Christian vassals in the Ottoman Empire; this mostly meant Balkan Christians with the inclusion of Bosniak Muslims, and Armenians, Romani and Jews were explicitly excluded. The sad and unwelcome reality of the &#039;&#039;devshirmeh&#039;&#039; system didn&#039;t stop some families from actively sending their kids, who were seen as too smart and full of potential to die toiling in some Balkan countryside; said desparation was often to the point of bribing the Janissary Aghas. The taken boys were converted to Islam (or pretended to, either way they didn&#039;t have a choice), then made into elite monastic troops called Janissaries (new soldiers); if they proved to be intelligent, they were sent to the Imperial Academy in Enderun to become bureaucrats. Being slaves, they had no &#039;&#039;habeas corpus&#039;&#039; and could be executed at any time - &#039;&#039;in theory&#039;&#039;. In practice, execution was a non-issue since they commanded enough power to dictate Ottoman military policy, married Ottoman princesses, engineered palace coups to kill off sultans who didn&#039;t pay them enough, and ended up even investing back in their native countries of Bosnia (the reason Bosniaks mourned the fall of the Janissary institution while EVERYONE ELSE celebrated it).&lt;br /&gt;
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Female slaves in the Ottoman Empire &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; end up in the palace as a concubine, but this involved more mindfuckery and tricks between concubines than a game of poker with [[Tzeentch]], and no concubine ever ended up dying in her bed. Ironically, concubines who lost the Sultan&#039;s favor would marry Viziers and other Ottoman Sipahi lords, and ended up &#039;&#039;far better&#039;&#039; than those gunning to the top. With the advent of nationalism, the French Revolution, and the growing need for military reforms bitterly opposed by the Janissaries, the system&#039;s flaws burst like rotting cysts, and Slavery went the way of the Dodo in 1847 thanks to [[Noblebright|Abdulmajid&#039;s reforms]]. The harem was numerous enough by then, and the freed whites went on with their lives while the black population [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks settled in Western Turkey as free farmers].&lt;br /&gt;
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Eurasia, particularly Ukraine, was the hotbed of slavery for the Ottoman Empire, with the port city of Caffa being the continent&#039;s major slave ports. The Russians liberated it from the Crimean Khanate, whose major income was thousands of taken women and children from villages, supplying the Ottoman Empire&#039;s need for European/white women. Evliya Çelebi even wrote about the despair and cries of women separated from their children and then sold separately. &lt;br /&gt;
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In contrast to the above, slavery is virtually never mentioned in [[Oriental Adventures|east Asian-inspired]] settings. This has some basis in history in certain areas: The [[Mongols]]&#039; nomadic lifestyle was not conductive to widespread slavery, though they did take some captives as slaves ([[Genghis motherfucking Khan|Genghis Khan]] himself was briefly a slave in his youth), and during the Mongol Empire&#039;s runs on conquering China people were often little better than slaves anyway. The Chinese themselves went through several periods of loosening and then making stricter laws surrounding slavery, usually rallying around who was in charge following their frequent wars to unify, only to break apart once more. The inhabitants of the Ryukyu islands &amp;quot;would die over&amp;quot; slavery rather than participate. Slavery in Asia was probably most prolific on the Korean peninsula, who had a caste system, but population growth, a few slave revolts and modernization eventually rendered it less than palatable.&lt;br /&gt;
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The earliest European reports of [[Japan]] mention that, though it existed there, slavery was rare and primarily inflicted on debtors and prisoners of war. The main recorded examples are the maids/concubines of the rich, and those brought by Europeans themselves. One European held slave&#039;s physical stature impressed Oda Nobunaga so much that he purchased him, freed him and elevated him to samurai status. This man would be known as Yasuke, [[Anime|the only black samurai]]. During the Sengoku a not-insignificant of Japanese prisoners of war were sold to the Europeans for foreign trade until 1587/1595, when Toyotomi Hideyoshi banned it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Slavery in Fantasy==&lt;br /&gt;
Because slavery is viewed as such a moral repugnance throughout the modern world, it is an easy way for lazy [[GM]]s to get a reaction from players. Slavery being one of the common features of a setting&#039;s bad guys makes for an easy way to establish that civilization or organization is [[Alignment|evil]]. A bunch of armed guys attack a peaceful village with chains and whips to catch its residents, bind them, and take them to their dwelling, where they&#039;re treated worse than how we treat livestock and forced to: toil, be beaten, probably raped, and  made to fight to the death in arenas for the amusement and benefit of some sick bastards? That is more than enough reason to establish &amp;quot;these guys are bad, go [[murderhobo|kill their asses]]&amp;quot; regardless of alignment; even Evil characters can simply indulge their drive to kill by offing slavers, and exploit the freed villagers and their families for more favors - particularly Lawful Evil ones.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, this is not always the case; both the perceived &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; factions can also engage in slavery, although how they do it usually defines who&#039;s good and who&#039;s bad (regardless of how minute the difference is). Take [[Araby]] and the [[Dark Elves]] in the &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer Fantasy Battles|Warhammer Fantasy]]&#039;&#039; setting, for example. Both factions engage in wanton slavery and have no qualms about it being a common thing everywhere. However, what sort of defines each of them is how they see their slaves. In Araby, slaves have several rights, the children of slaves are guaranteed by law to not be slaves, and particularly cruel mistreatment of slaves will result in punishment to the masters and the mistreated becoming free. The Dark Elves consider all non-Dark Elves to be beneath them and will torture and maim their slaves, just because they think it is fun.&lt;br /&gt;
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Though it is found in both, slavery is more common in fantasy settings than in science fiction. In your typical Tolkien knockoff, the way you go about digging rocks, harvesting lumber, tilling fields and raising buildings is normally with strong backs. In most sci-fi worlds, why have a bunch of slaves working in an irradiated asteroid space mine when you could have a bunch of robots who don&#039;t need slave drivers, don&#039;t require food or air, won&#039;t plot escape/rebellion ([[Men of Iron|&#039;&#039;&#039;hopefully&#039;&#039;&#039;]]), and are stronger and easier to repair if damaged? &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer 40,000]]&#039;&#039; actually justifies having slaves fairly well in that, in the [[Imperium]], such automation is considered techno-[[heresy]] (or simply decayed like spaceship artillery loaders) due to a robot rebellion happening in the past and the risk of Chaos corruption for the machines, while the [[Dark Eldar]] are sick bastards who need to consume souls of psychically susceptible species (human youngsters are prime specimens, while Tau souls taste bland and weak) and get their rocks off at making others miserable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery of a [[/d/|certain kind]] is a common feature of many [[Magical Realm]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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==A Digression About the Economics of Slavery==&lt;br /&gt;
For serious worldbuilders who have it, you need to consider what economics already considers a long-standing question: Is slavery profitable in the long term, and if so where?&lt;br /&gt;
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The consensus answer among economic historians to the first one is that yes, slavery can be profitable, but only in those situations where technology does not offer a faster/cheaper/safer solution. Indeed, most ancient Empires (Egyptian, Greek, Roman) had some form of institutionalized slavery that allowed them to endure. This being said, the very concept of slavery has some serious downsides (that have nothing to do with morality) dooming it in the long run. The short answer to the &amp;quot;where&amp;quot; question is &amp;quot;cash crops and other agriculture, unskilled labor, and a bit of mining&amp;quot;, in roughly that order of profitability.&lt;br /&gt;
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The practical downsides that doom slavery include, but are not limited to:&lt;br /&gt;
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*First of all, in any area where sabotage is a serious concern slavery is usually a non-starter. For a recent example, look at the [[Nazi]]s using forced labor to build their weapons later in the war, and the quality of said weapons. That rules out most semi-modern mining, as well as just about any industry with any degree of mechanization and a surprising amount of agriculture.&lt;br /&gt;
** Despite mining being the stereotypical use of slaves in fiction, mining past a certain depth is sufficiently deadly and expensive that semi-skilled labor is &#039;&#039;&#039;absolutely required&#039;&#039;&#039;, and a slave has a nice way to commit suicide AND hurt his master&#039;s profits at the same time. While &#039;&#039;other&#039;&#039; exploitative practices may be used, the training required means actual slavery-based mining is very much a no-go save for tasks such as the very basic work of breaking surface mineral seams, as well as open-pit mining, where &amp;quot;getting stuck&amp;quot; is not an issue and carrying loads to processing stations a la South American silver mining done by Spanish or simple stone quarries where all one needs doing is to hit a stone with a pick and carry the result to storage.&lt;br /&gt;
*Second, unless reproduction is heavily encouraged, slave populations have a tendency to drop over time, especially compared to relatively free populations (even ignoring manumission and escapes), and five seconds of thought on slaves&#039; living conditions should lead to a few obvious conclusions as to why. So if you want to keep up, you need to constantly raid (or trade with raiders) for more slaves. Last time this was done beyond the 16th century, the United States wrecked the entire Barbary coast with artillery and freed slaves. So any &amp;quot;sustainable&amp;quot; raiding *will* attract military threats that will make sure any slave taken will eventually be more expensive than a free worker who is A) already available and willing, B) lives within the empire and C) has many motivations, such as family, welfare and [[Tzeentch|hopes for a good future]]).&lt;br /&gt;
*Third, slave-holding societies are usually economically out-competed by non-slave-holding societies once military considerations are either removed or temporarily equalized. There are plenty of reasons for this, but the big ones are the twin spectres of Incentives (which align more closely in non-slave societies) and Efficiency (effort you expend on keeping slaves from escaping or rebelling could usually be more productively used elsewhere, and that&#039;s just to &#039;&#039;start&#039;&#039;, saying nothing of potentially intelligent slaves wasted in labor they are not optimal for rather than being educated and made into scientists).&lt;br /&gt;
*Fourth, if slaves are owned in large numbers they start to displace the local non-slaves. This is not a simple case of [[Meme|&amp;quot;DEY TOOK AHR JERBS&amp;quot;]], as the Romans can attest: when large numbers of slaves started to displace local farmers who were forced to sell their land for some reason or the other, said ex-farmers were driven to the cities, where there were not a lot of jobs either. This bred poverty, and from poverty rose a class dissatisfied with their lot in life as they starve while the rich grow fat. And from this rose political and civilian unrest, which is never good for any state. In the case of the Romans, this gave birth to a populist dictator, Julius Caesar and his adoptive son Octavian, which created a major precedent for all modern dictatorships and bread-and-circuses states.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Topquote|I came here in peace, seeking gold and slaves.|Jack Handey, &#039;&#039;What I&#039;d Say to the Martians&#039;&#039;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Slavery&#039;&#039;&#039; is the institution of owning other humans ([[Hard Science Fiction|as well as other sapient]] [[Soft Science Fiction|beings by extrapolation]]) as property. As slaves are bound to their owners, they were prevented from leaving or refusing to work under threat of immediate violence for disobedience. When two groups would fight, it was not uncommon for the victor to capture some of the defeated along with the goods or territory and put them to work. Later on, as long-distance trade improved, they also began selling said captives to other cultures. The children of slaves usually were slaves themselves, though this was not universal.&lt;br /&gt;
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In other cases, people would be put into slavery as a punishment, e.g. for failure to pay their debts, or voluntarily such as an alternative to paying for something. Some systems of slavery even offered opportunities for, like the Devshirmeh system in Ottoman Empire, where boys taken from among Christian vassals who were bright enough could actually end up as Grand Vizier of the Empire (with a few caveats, such as all of them had to be converted to Islam - willingly or not, either way they weren&#039;t allowed to stay Christian).&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition to the practice of owning human beings as chattel, there are other contemporary and historical arrangements so similar to slavery that they are referred to as slavery informally or at that point in history. A few of these include serfdom ([[Peasant|serfs]] were not owned, but they were bound to the land owned by [[noble]]s and are required to work the noble&#039;s land 2-3 days per week for free and keep what else they could grow-keep-trade), indentured servitude in colonial America (in exchange for passage to the new world being paid, criminal fines or to discharge a debt, someone would be indentured to a contract holder and have to work off their debt over a number of years such as British criminals), impressment and shanghaiing (where people were kidnapped from ports or ships and forced to serve as sailors with said debt not being hereditary), the various forced labor programs used by the [[Nazi]]s, [[Communism|Communists]], and other despotic regimes and the victims of human trafficking which is still ongoing today.&lt;br /&gt;
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== History stuff ==&lt;br /&gt;
The oldest surviving codex of laws yet discovered in the world, the Code of Ur-Nammu, has multiple references to slaves, so slavery has been with humanity for a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; long time. Slavery was practiced in virtually every culture at some point throughout their history; as soon as a people progressed from a hunter-gathering and nomadic culture to an agrarian one it became more convenient to look for ways to increase productivity and lower expenses. Before the advent of modern machinery, that way was some flavor of slave workforce since you generally had to spend less resources on a slave than you would on your fellow clan member. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the ancient world, basically all civilizations made use of slavery to some degree or another. Prisoners of war were taken as slaves and made to ply their trade for their conquerors, or were sold abroad for goods. Since civilizations would wax and wane from time to time, the enslavers of one generation might end up enslaved in the next. The Greeks made heavier-than-usual use of slaves, and the Romans even more so. The Persians did not use slavery themselves and tried to limit it, but slavery did exist in their Empire among their conquered vassals. Slaves worked in every field from miners (who were quickly worked to death) to farmers, to factory workers and skilled craftsmen, to entertainers, teachers and doctors (particularly Greeks who could buy their freedom in a year, or even less if skilled) and even up to high ranking government officials in the Empire. Ancient Romans used to grumble about all these slaves coming in stealing people&#039;s jobs (this sentence is not a joke).&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery existed in [[Medieval Stasis|Medieval Europe]], but declined after the year 1,000 AD in a lot of places, especially the north.  The Vikings practiced slavery, acquiring them primarily on their expeditions to Eastern Europe and the British Isles. They could also obtain Viking slaves at home, as crimes like murder and thievery were punished with slavery.  The basis for the modern English word slave gets its roots here, as the Slavic races were so often put upon that they pretty much named [[Grimdark|the ordeal after them]]. After the Europeans discovered the continent of Africa, there was much contact between local tribes and foreigners and many nations would take slaves from the peoples of Africa abetted at times by local slavery systems among African people themselves (see below). This brought up the matter of racial slavery. In the Classical World (and Rome in particular), slaves were basically from everywhere in the Empire and many places beyond and the children of freed slaves in Rome became more Romans. Slavery is not a nice thing even at the best of times, but racial slavery adds to it the conception that an enslaved race is inferior, doomed to servitude forever, and that people from it are unfit for anything else. Those caught up in it had little hope of ever elevating themselves from a state of being a form of livestock with the hands for manual labor. Slave ships sailed from Europe to Africa loaded with manufactured goods, textiles, guns and gunpowder which they traded for captives taken in war, who were then packed in like sardines to be shipped off to the New World. There they loaded up on tobacco and sugar and sailed back to Europe. [[Grimdark|In Brazil and most of the Caribbean between 1600 and 1800, the slave population never was able to achieve natural replacement rates due to a high death rate from overwork and abuse by their masters]]. The American system of slavery (aka &amp;quot;the peculiar institution&amp;quot;) would arguably require an entire article of its own, but since we&#039;d rather not try to poke that hornet&#039;s nest it&#039;s enough to say that it was not much better than the Caribbean experience and was only abolished after the American Civil War (which was followed by the system called the Jim Crow Laws, which is an issue for another article). &lt;br /&gt;
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Africa has had slavery between its various tribes and kingdoms for millennia.  Between this and many foreign civilizations making extensive use of African slaves, the history of slavery in Africa is complicated and violent. In Africa, even prior to the Arab slave trade or the Atlantic/European slave trade, slavery happened in all the forms from ancient times. This was enacted between the various tribes and nations of Africa; however, in many African societies where slavery was prevalent, the enslaved people were not treated as chattel slaves and had certain rights in a system similar to indentured servitude elsewhere in the world. When the Arab slave trade and Atlantic slave trade began, many of the local slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa. They also supplied criminals and captives from rival tribes or nations to the Arab, European or American slave trades. This means African slave traders unwittingly helped fan the flames of the issue of racial slavery, unaware of the exploitation and dehumanization these buyers would subject them to- and that&#039;s before the Scramble for Africa caused many of them to become slaves themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the Ottoman Empire, who can &#039;&#039;arguably&#039;&#039; can be seen as a continuity of the Eastern Roman Empire, the system was more or less the same, but with a small possibility of moving up if you were a Christian (or claiming to be one) because Christians (and Jews) are considered &amp;quot;people of the Book&amp;quot;, meaning the worthiest of non-Muslim people according to Islam. &#039;&#039;Devshirmeh&#039;&#039; is the name for the system of taking one boy out of 40 houses from the population of Christian vassals in the Ottoman Empire; this mostly meant Balkan Christians with the inclusion of Bosniak Muslims, and Armenians, Romani and Jews were explicitly excluded. The sad and unwelcome reality of the &#039;&#039;devshirmeh&#039;&#039; system didn&#039;t stop some families from actively sending their kids, who were seen as too smart and full of potential to die toiling in some Balkan countryside; said desparation was often to the point of bribing the Janissary Aghas. The taken boys were converted to Islam (or pretended to, either way they didn&#039;t have a choice), then made into elite monastic troops called Janissaries (new soldiers); if they proved to be intelligent, they were sent to the Imperial Academy in Enderun to become bureaucrats. Being slaves, they had no &#039;&#039;habeas corpus&#039;&#039; and could be executed at any time - &#039;&#039;in theory&#039;&#039;. In practice, execution was a non-issue since they commanded enough power to dictate Ottoman military policy, married Ottoman princesses, engineered palace coups to kill off sultans who didn&#039;t pay them enough, and ended up even investing back in their native countries of Bosnia (the reason Bosniaks mourned the fall of the Janissary institution while EVERYONE ELSE celebrated it).&lt;br /&gt;
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Female slaves in the Ottoman Empire &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; end up in the palace as a concubine, but this involved more mindfuckery and tricks between concubines than a game of poker with [[Tzeentch]], and no concubine ever ended up dying in her bed. Ironically, concubines who lost the Sultan&#039;s favor would marry Viziers and other Ottoman Sipahi lords, and ended up &#039;&#039;far better&#039;&#039; than those gunning to the top. With the advent of nationalism, the French Revolution, and the growing need for military reforms bitterly opposed by the Janissaries, the system&#039;s flaws burst like rotting cysts, and Slavery went the way of the Dodo in 1847 thanks to [[Noblebright|Abdulmajid&#039;s reforms]]. The harem was numerous enough by then, and the freed whites went on with their lives while the black population [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks settled in Western Turkey as free farmers].&lt;br /&gt;
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Eurasia, particularly Ukraine, was the hotbed of slavery for the Ottoman Empire, with the port city of Caffa being the continent&#039;s major slave ports. The Russians liberated it from the Crimean Khanate, whose major income was thousands of taken women and children from villages, supplying the Ottoman Empire&#039;s need for European/white women. Evliya Çelebi even wrote about the despair and cries of women separated from their children and then sold separately. &lt;br /&gt;
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In contrast to the above, slavery is virtually never mentioned in [[Oriental Adventures|east Asian-inspired]] settings. This has some basis in history in certain areas: The [[Mongols]]&#039; nomadic lifestyle was not conductive to widespread slavery, though they did take some captives as slaves ([[Genghis motherfucking Khan|Genghis Khan]] himself was briefly a slave in his youth), and during the Mongol Empire&#039;s runs on conquering China people were often little better than slaves anyway. The Chinese themselves went through several periods of loosening and then making stricter laws surrounding slavery, usually rallying around who was in charge following their frequent wars to unify, only to break apart once more. The inhabitants of the Ryukyu islands &amp;quot;would die over&amp;quot; slavery rather than participate. Slavery in Asia was probably most prolific on the Korean peninsula, who had a caste system, but population growth, a few slave revolts and modernization eventually rendered it less than palatable.&lt;br /&gt;
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The earliest European reports of [[Japan]] mention that, though it existed there, slavery was rare and primarily inflicted on debtors and prisoners of war. The main recorded examples are the maids/concubines of the rich, and those brought by Europeans themselves. One European held slave&#039;s physical stature impressed Oda Nobunaga so much that he purchased him, freed him and elevated him to samurai status. This man would be known as Yasuke, [[Anime|the only black samurai]]. During the Sengoku a not-insignificant of Japanese prisoners of war were sold to the Europeans for foreign trade until 1587/1595, when Toyotomi Hideyoshi banned it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Slavery in Fantasy==&lt;br /&gt;
Because slavery is viewed as such a moral repugnance throughout the modern world, it is an easy way for lazy [[GM]]s to get a reaction from players. Slavery being one of the common features of a setting&#039;s bad guys makes for an easy way to establish that civilization or organization is [[Alignment|evil]]. A bunch of armed guys attack a peaceful village with chains and whips to catch its residents, bind them, and take them to their dwelling, where they&#039;re treated worse than how we treat livestock and forced to: toil, be beaten, probably raped, and  made to fight to the death in arenas for the amusement and benefit of some sick bastards? That is more than enough reason to establish &amp;quot;these guys are bad, go [[murderhobo|kill their asses]]&amp;quot; regardless of alignment; even Evil characters can simply indulge their drive to kill by offing slavers, and exploit the freed villagers and their families for more favors - particularly Lawful Evil ones.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, this is not always the case; both the perceived &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; factions can also engage in slavery, although how they do it usually defines who&#039;s good and who&#039;s bad (regardless of how minute the difference is). Take [[Araby]] and the [[Dark Elves]] in the &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer Fantasy Battles|Warhammer Fantasy]]&#039;&#039; setting, for example. Both factions engage in wanton slavery and have no qualms about it being a common thing everywhere. However, what sort of defines each of them is how they see their slaves. In Araby, slaves have several rights, the children of slaves are guaranteed by law to not be slaves, and particularly cruel mistreatment of slaves will result in punishment to the masters and the mistreated becoming free. The Dark Elves consider all non-Dark Elves to be beneath them and will torture and maim their slaves, just because they think it is fun.&lt;br /&gt;
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Though it is found in both, slavery is more common in fantasy settings than in science fiction. In your typical Tolkien knockoff, the way you go about digging rocks, harvesting lumber, tilling fields and raising buildings is normally with strong backs. In most sci-fi worlds, why have a bunch of slaves working in an irradiated asteroid space mine when you could have a bunch of robots who don&#039;t need slave drivers, don&#039;t require food or air, won&#039;t plot escape/rebellion ([[Men of Iron|&#039;&#039;&#039;hopefully&#039;&#039;&#039;]]), and are stronger and easier to repair if damaged? &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer 40,000]]&#039;&#039; actually justifies having slaves fairly well in that, in the [[Imperium]], such automation is considered techno-[[heresy]] (or simply decayed like spaceship artillery loaders) due to a robot rebellion happening in the past and the risk of Chaos corruption for the machines, while the [[Dark Eldar]] are sick bastards who need to consume souls of psychically susceptible species (human youngsters are prime specimens, while Tau souls taste bland and weak) and get their rocks off at making others miserable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery of a [[/d/|certain kind]] is a common feature of many [[Magical Realm]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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==A Digression About the Economics of Slavery==&lt;br /&gt;
For serious worldbuilders who have it, you need to consider what economics already considers a long-standing question: Is slavery profitable in the long term, and if so where?&lt;br /&gt;
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The consensus answer among economic historians to the first one is that yes, slavery can be profitable, but only in those situations where technology does not offer a faster/cheaper/safer solution. Indeed, most ancient Empires (Egyptian, Greek, Roman) had some form of institutionalized slavery that allowed them to endure. This being said, the very concept of slavery has some serious downsides (that have nothing to do with morality) dooming it in the long run. The short answer to the &amp;quot;where&amp;quot; question is &amp;quot;cash crops and other agriculture, unskilled labor, and a bit of mining&amp;quot;, in roughly that order of profitability.&lt;br /&gt;
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The practical downsides that doom slavery include, but are not limited to:&lt;br /&gt;
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*First of all, in any area where sabotage is a serious concern slavery is usually a non-starter. For a recent example, look at the [[Nazi]]s using forced labor to build their weapons later in the war, and the quality of said weapons. That rules out most semi-modern mining, as well as just about any industry with any degree of mechanization and a surprising amount of agriculture.&lt;br /&gt;
** Despite mining being the stereotypical use of slaves in fiction, mining past a certain depth is sufficiently deadly and expensive that semi-skilled labor is &#039;&#039;&#039;absolutely required&#039;&#039;&#039;, and a slave has a nice way to commit suicide AND hurt his master&#039;s profits at the same time. While &#039;&#039;other&#039;&#039; exploitative practices may be used, the training required means actual slavery-based mining is very much a no-go save for tasks such as the very basic work of breaking surface mineral seams, as well as open-pit mining, where &amp;quot;getting stuck&amp;quot; is not an issue and carrying loads to processing stations a la South American silver mining done by Spanish or simple stone quarries where all one needs doing is to hit a stone with a pick and carry the result to storage.&lt;br /&gt;
*Second, unless reproduction is heavily encouraged, slave populations have a tendency to drop over time, especially compared to relatively free populations (even ignoring manumission and escapes), and five seconds of thought on slaves&#039; living conditions should lead to a few obvious conclusions as to why. So if you want to keep up, you need to constantly raid (or trade with raiders) for more slaves. Last time this was done beyond the 16th century, the United States wrecked the entire Barbary coast with artillery and freed slaves. So any &amp;quot;sustainable&amp;quot; raiding *will* attract military threats that will make sure any slave taken will eventually be more expensive than a free worker who is A) already available and willing, B) lives within the empire and C) has many motivations, such as family, welfare and [[Tzeentch|hopes for a good future]]).&lt;br /&gt;
*Third, slave-holding societies are usually economically out-competed by non-slave-holding societies once military considerations are either removed or temporarily equalized. There are plenty of reasons for this, but the big ones are the twin spectres of Incentives (which align more closely in non-slave societies) and Efficiency (effort you expend on keeping slaves from escaping or rebelling could usually be more productively used elsewhere, and that&#039;s just to &#039;&#039;start&#039;&#039;, saying nothing of potentially intelligent slaves wasted in labor they are not optimal for rather than being educated and made into scientists).&lt;br /&gt;
*Fourth, if slaves are owned in large numbers they start to displace the local non-slaves. This is not a simple case of [[Meme|&amp;quot;DEY TOOK AHR JERBS&amp;quot;]], as the Romans can attest: when large numbers of slaves started to displace local farmers who were forced to sell their land for some reason or the other, said ex-farmers were driven to the cities, where there were not a lot of jobs either. This bred poverty, and from poverty rose a class dissatisfied with their lot in life as they starve while the rich grow fat. And from this rose political and civilian unrest, which is never good for any state. In the case of the Romans, this gave birth to a populist dictator, Julius Caesar and his adoptive son Octavian, which created a major precedent for all modern dictatorships and bread-and-circuses states.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:History]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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{{Topquote|I came here in peace, seeking gold and slaves.|Jack Handey, &#039;&#039;What I&#039;d Say to the Martians&#039;&#039;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Slavery&#039;&#039;&#039; is the institution of owning other humans ([[Hard Science Fiction|as well as other sapient]] [[Soft Science Fiction|beings by extrapolation]]) as property. As slaves are bound to their owners, they were prevented from leaving or refusing to work under threat of immediate violence for disobedience. When two groups would fight, it was not uncommon for the victor to capture some of the defeated along with the goods or territory and put them to work. Later on, as long-distance trade improved, they also began selling said captives to other cultures. The children of slaves usually were slaves themselves, though this was not universal.&lt;br /&gt;
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In other cases, people would be put into slavery as a punishment, e.g. for failure to pay their debts, or voluntarily such as an alternative to paying for something. Some systems of slavery even offered opportunities for, like the Devshirmeh system in Ottoman Empire, where boys taken from among Christian vassals who were bright enough could actually end up as Grand Vizier of the Empire (with a few caveats, such as all of them had to be converted to Islam - willingly or not, and the ones who weren&#039;t bright enouhg would be soldiers or laborers).&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition to the practice of owning human beings as chattel, there are other contemporary and historical arrangements so similar to slavery that they are referred to as slavery informally or at that point in history. A few of these include serfdom ([[Peasant|serfs]] were not owned, but they were bound to the land owned by [[noble]]s and are required to work the noble&#039;s land 2-3 days per week for free and keep what else they could grow-keep-trade), indentured servitude in colonial America (in exchange for passage to the new world being paid, criminal fines or to discharge a debt, someone would be indentured to a contract holder and have to work off their debt over a number of years such as British criminals), impressment and shanghaiing (where people were kidnapped from ports or ships and forced to serve as sailors with said debt not being hereditary), the various forced labor programs used by the [[Nazi]]s, [[Communism|Communists]], and other despotic regimes and the victims of human trafficking which is still ongoing today.&lt;br /&gt;
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== History stuff ==&lt;br /&gt;
The oldest surviving codex of laws yet discovered in the world, the Code of Ur-Nammu, has multiple references to slaves, so slavery has been with humanity for a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; long time. Slavery was practiced in virtually every culture at some point throughout their history; as soon as a people progressed from a hunter-gathering and nomadic culture to an agrarian one it became more convenient to look for ways to increase productivity and lower expenses. Before the advent of modern machinery, that way was some flavor of slave workforce since you generally had to spend less resources on a slave than you would on your fellow clan member. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the ancient world, basically all civilizations made use of slavery to some degree or another. Prisoners of war were taken as slaves and made to ply their trade for their conquerors, or were sold abroad for goods. Since civilizations would wax and wane from time to time, the enslavers of one generation might end up enslaved in the next. The Greeks made heavier-than-usual use of slaves, and the Romans even more so. The Persians did not use slavery themselves and tried to limit it, but slavery did exist in their Empire among their conquered vassals. Slaves worked in every field from miners (who were quickly worked to death) to farmers, to factory workers and skilled craftsmen, to entertainers, teachers and doctors (particularly Greeks who could buy their freedom in a year, or even less if skilled) and even up to high ranking government officials in the Empire. Ancient Romans used to grumble about all these slaves coming in stealing people&#039;s jobs (this sentence is not a joke).&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery existed in [[Medieval Stasis|Medieval Europe]], but declined after the year 1,000 AD in a lot of places, especially the north.  The Vikings practiced slavery, acquiring them primarily on their expeditions to Eastern Europe and the British Isles. They could also obtain Viking slaves at home, as crimes like murder and thievery were punished with slavery.  The basis for the modern English word slave gets its roots here, as the Slavic races were so often put upon that they pretty much named [[Grimdark|the ordeal after them]]. After the Europeans discovered the continent of Africa, there was much contact between local tribes and foreigners and many nations would take slaves from the peoples of Africa abetted at times by local slavery systems among African people themselves (see below). This brought up the matter of racial slavery. In the Classical World (and Rome in particular), slaves were basically from everywhere in the Empire and many places beyond and the children of freed slaves in Rome became more Romans. Slavery is not a nice thing even at the best of times, but racial slavery adds to it the conception that an enslaved race is inferior, doomed to servitude forever, and that people from it are unfit for anything else. Those caught up in it had little hope of ever elevating themselves from a state of being a form of livestock with the hands for manual labor. Slave ships sailed from Europe to Africa loaded with manufactured goods, textiles, guns and gunpowder which they traded for captives taken in war, who were then packed in like sardines to be shipped off to the New World. There they loaded up on tobacco and sugar and sailed back to Europe. [[Grimdark|In Brazil and most of the Caribbean between 1600 and 1800, the slave population never was able to achieve natural replacement rates due to a high death rate from overwork and abuse by their masters]]. The American system of slavery (aka &amp;quot;the peculiar institution&amp;quot;) would arguably require an entire article of its own, but since we&#039;d rather not try to poke that hornet&#039;s nest it&#039;s enough to say that it was not much better than the Caribbean experience and was only abolished after the American Civil War (which was followed by the system called the Jim Crow Laws, which is an issue for another article). &lt;br /&gt;
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Africa has had slavery between its various tribes and kingdoms for millennia.  Between this and many foreign civilizations making extensive use of African slaves, the history of slavery in Africa is complicated and violent. In Africa, even prior to the Arab slave trade or the Atlantic/European slave trade, slavery happened in all the forms from ancient times. This was enacted between the various tribes and nations of Africa; however, in many African societies where slavery was prevalent, the enslaved people were not treated as chattel slaves and had certain rights in a system similar to indentured servitude elsewhere in the world. When the Arab slave trade and Atlantic slave trade began, many of the local slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa. They also supplied criminals and captives from rival tribes or nations to the Arab, European or American slave trades. This means African slave traders unwittingly helped fan the flames of the issue of racial slavery, unaware of the exploitation and dehumanization these buyers would subject them to- and that&#039;s before the Scramble for Africa caused many of them to become slaves themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the Ottoman Empire, who can &#039;&#039;arguably&#039;&#039; can be seen as a continuity of the Eastern Roman Empire, the system was more or less the same, but with a small possibility of moving up if you were a Christian (or claiming to be one) because Christians (and Jews) are considered &amp;quot;people of the Book&amp;quot;, meaning the worthiest of non-Muslim people according to Islam. &#039;&#039;Devshirmeh&#039;&#039; is the name for the system of taking one boy out of 40 houses from the population of Christian vassals in the Ottoman Empire; this mostly meant Balkan Christians with the inclusion of Bosniak Muslims, and Armenians, Romani and Jews were explicitly excluded. The sad and unwelcome reality of the &#039;&#039;devshirmeh&#039;&#039; system didn&#039;t stop some families from actively sending their kids, who were seen as too smart and full of potential to die toiling in some Balkan countryside; said desparation was often to the point of bribing the Janissary Aghas. The taken boys were converted to Islam (or pretended to, either way they didn&#039;t have a choice), then made into elite monastic troops called Janissaries (new soldiers); if they proved to be intelligent, they were sent to the Imperial Academy in Enderun to become bureaucrats. Being slaves, they had no &#039;&#039;habeas corpus&#039;&#039; and could be executed at any time - &#039;&#039;in theory&#039;&#039;. In practice, execution was a non-issue since they commanded enough power to dictate Ottoman military policy, married Ottoman princesses, engineered palace coups to kill off sultans who didn&#039;t pay them enough, and ended up even investing back in their native countries of Bosnia (the reason Bosniaks mourned the fall of the Janissary institution while EVERYONE ELSE celebrated it).&lt;br /&gt;
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Female slaves in the Ottoman Empire &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; end up in the palace as a concubine, but this involved more mindfuckery and tricks between concubines than a game of poker with [[Tzeentch]], and no concubine ever ended up dying in her bed. Ironically, concubines who lost the Sultan&#039;s favor would marry Viziers and other Ottoman Sipahi lords, and ended up &#039;&#039;far better&#039;&#039; than those gunning to the top. With the advent of nationalism, the French Revolution, and the growing need for military reforms bitterly opposed by the Janissaries, the system&#039;s flaws burst like rotting cysts, and Slavery went the way of the Dodo in 1847 thanks to [[Noblebright|Abdulmajid&#039;s reforms]]. The harem was numerous enough by then, and the freed whites went on with their lives while the black population [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks settled in Western Turkey as free farmers].&lt;br /&gt;
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Eurasia, particularly Ukraine, was the hotbed of slavery for the Ottoman Empire, with the port city of Caffa being the continent&#039;s major slave ports. The Russians liberated it from the Crimean Khanate, whose major income was thousands of taken women and children from villages, supplying the Ottoman Empire&#039;s need for European/white women. Evliya Çelebi even wrote about the despair and cries of women separated from their children and then sold separately. &lt;br /&gt;
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In contrast to the above, slavery is virtually never mentioned in [[Oriental Adventures|east Asian-inspired]] settings. This has some basis in history in certain areas: The [[Mongols]]&#039; nomadic lifestyle was not conductive to widespread slavery, though they did take some captives as slaves ([[Genghis motherfucking Khan|Genghis Khan]] himself was briefly a slave in his youth), and during the Mongol Empire&#039;s runs on conquering China people were often little better than slaves anyway. The Chinese themselves went through several periods of loosening and then making stricter laws surrounding slavery, usually rallying around who was in charge following their frequent wars to unify, only to break apart once more. The inhabitants of the Ryukyu islands &amp;quot;would die over&amp;quot; slavery rather than participate. Slavery in Asia was probably most prolific on the Korean peninsula, who had a caste system, but population growth, a few slave revolts and modernization eventually rendered it less than palatable.&lt;br /&gt;
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The earliest European reports of [[Japan]] mention that, though it existed there, slavery was rare and primarily inflicted on debtors and prisoners of war. The main recorded examples are the maids/concubines of the rich, and those brought by Europeans themselves. One European held slave&#039;s physical stature impressed Oda Nobunaga so much that he purchased him, freed him and elevated him to samurai status. This man would be known as Yasuke, [[Anime|the only black samurai]]. During the Sengoku a not-insignificant of Japanese prisoners of war were sold to the Europeans for foreign trade until 1587/1595, when Toyotomi Hideyoshi banned it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Slavery in Fantasy==&lt;br /&gt;
Because slavery is viewed as such a moral repugnance throughout the modern world, it is an easy way for lazy [[GM]]s to get a reaction from players. Slavery being one of the common features of a setting&#039;s bad guys makes for an easy way to establish that civilization or organization is [[Alignment|evil]]. A bunch of armed guys attack a peaceful village with chains and whips to catch its residents, bind them, and take them to their dwelling, where they&#039;re treated worse than how we treat livestock and forced to: toil, be beaten, probably raped, and  made to fight to the death in arenas for the amusement and benefit of some sick bastards? That is more than enough reason to establish &amp;quot;these guys are bad, go [[murderhobo|kill their asses]]&amp;quot; regardless of alignment; even Evil characters can simply indulge their drive to kill by offing slavers, and exploit the freed villagers and their families for more favors - particularly Lawful Evil ones.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, this is not always the case; both the perceived &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; factions can also engage in slavery, although how they do it usually defines who&#039;s good and who&#039;s bad (regardless of how minute the difference is). Take [[Araby]] and the [[Dark Elves]] in the &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer Fantasy Battles|Warhammer Fantasy]]&#039;&#039; setting, for example. Both factions engage in wanton slavery and have no qualms about it being a common thing everywhere. However, what sort of defines each of them is how they see their slaves. In Araby, slaves have several rights, the children of slaves are guaranteed by law to not be slaves, and particularly cruel mistreatment of slaves will result in punishment to the masters and the mistreated becoming free. The Dark Elves consider all non-Dark Elves to be beneath them and will torture and maim their slaves, just because they think it is fun.&lt;br /&gt;
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Though it is found in both, slavery is more common in fantasy settings than in science fiction. In your typical Tolkien knockoff, the way you go about digging rocks, harvesting lumber, tilling fields and raising buildings is normally with strong backs. In most sci-fi worlds, why have a bunch of slaves working in an irradiated asteroid space mine when you could have a bunch of robots who don&#039;t need slave drivers, don&#039;t require food or air, won&#039;t plot escape/rebellion ([[Men of Iron|&#039;&#039;&#039;hopefully&#039;&#039;&#039;]]), and are stronger and easier to repair if damaged? &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer 40,000]]&#039;&#039; actually justifies having slaves fairly well in that, in the [[Imperium]], such automation is considered techno-[[heresy]] (or simply decayed like spaceship artillery loaders) due to a robot rebellion happening in the past and the risk of Chaos corruption for the machines, while the [[Dark Eldar]] are sick bastards who need to consume souls of psychically susceptible species (human youngsters are prime specimens, while Tau souls taste bland and weak) and get their rocks off at making others miserable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery of a [[/d/|certain kind]] is a common feature of many [[Magical Realm]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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==A Digression About the Economics of Slavery==&lt;br /&gt;
For serious worldbuilders who have it, you need to consider what economics already considers a long-standing question: Is slavery profitable in the long term, and if so where?&lt;br /&gt;
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The consensus answer among economic historians to the first one is that yes, slavery can be profitable, but only in those situations where technology does not offer a faster/cheaper/safer solution. Indeed, most ancient Empires (Egyptian, Greek, Roman) had some form of institutionalized slavery that allowed them to endure. This being said, the very concept of slavery has some serious downsides (that have nothing to do with morality) dooming it in the long run. The short answer to the &amp;quot;where&amp;quot; question is &amp;quot;cash crops and other agriculture, unskilled labor, and a bit of mining&amp;quot;, in roughly that order of profitability.&lt;br /&gt;
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The practical downsides that doom slavery include, but are not limited to:&lt;br /&gt;
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*First of all, in any area where sabotage is a serious concern slavery is usually a non-starter. For a recent example, look at the [[Nazi]]s using forced labor to build their weapons later in the war, and the quality of said weapons. That rules out most semi-modern mining, as well as just about any industry with any degree of mechanization and a surprising amount of agriculture.&lt;br /&gt;
** Despite mining being the stereotypical use of slaves in fiction, mining past a certain depth is sufficiently deadly and expensive that semi-skilled labor is &#039;&#039;&#039;absolutely required&#039;&#039;&#039;, and a slave has a nice way to commit suicide AND hurt his master&#039;s profits at the same time. While &#039;&#039;other&#039;&#039; exploitative practices may be used, the training required means actual slavery-based mining is very much a no-go save for tasks such as the very basic work of breaking surface mineral seams, as well as open-pit mining, where &amp;quot;getting stuck&amp;quot; is not an issue and carrying loads to processing stations a la South American silver mining done by Spanish or simple stone quarries where all one needs doing is to hit a stone with a pick and carry the result to storage.&lt;br /&gt;
*Second, unless reproduction is heavily encouraged, slave populations have a tendency to drop over time, especially compared to relatively free populations (even ignoring manumission and escapes), and five seconds of thought on slaves&#039; living conditions should lead to a few obvious conclusions as to why. So if you want to keep up, you need to constantly raid (or trade with raiders) for more slaves. Last time this was done beyond the 16th century, the United States wrecked the entire Barbary coast with artillery and freed slaves. So any &amp;quot;sustainable&amp;quot; raiding *will* attract military threats that will make sure any slave taken will eventually be more expensive than a free worker who is A) already available and willing, B) lives within the empire and C) has many motivations, such as family, welfare and [[Tzeentch|hopes for a good future]]).&lt;br /&gt;
*Third, slave-holding societies are usually economically out-competed by non-slave-holding societies once military considerations are either removed or temporarily equalized. There are plenty of reasons for this, but the big ones are the twin spectres of Incentives (which align more closely in non-slave societies) and Efficiency (effort you expend on keeping slaves from escaping or rebelling could usually be more productively used elsewhere, and that&#039;s just to &#039;&#039;start&#039;&#039;, saying nothing of potentially intelligent slaves wasted in labor they are not optimal for rather than being educated and made into scientists).&lt;br /&gt;
*Fourth, if slaves are owned in large numbers they start to displace the local non-slaves. This is not a simple case of [[Meme|&amp;quot;DEY TOOK AHR JERBS&amp;quot;]], as the Romans can attest: when large numbers of slaves started to displace local farmers who were forced to sell their land for some reason or the other, said ex-farmers were driven to the cities, where there were not a lot of jobs either. This bred poverty, and from poverty rose a class dissatisfied with their lot in life as they starve while the rich grow fat. And from this rose political and civilian unrest, which is never good for any state. In the case of the Romans, this gave birth to a populist dictator, Julius Caesar and his adoptive son Octavian, which created a major precedent for all modern dictatorships and bread-and-circuses states.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Topquote|I came here in peace, seeking gold and slaves.|Jack Handey, &#039;&#039;What I&#039;d Say to the Martians&#039;&#039;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Slavery&#039;&#039;&#039; is the institution of owning other humans ([[Hard Science Fiction|as well as other sapient]] [[Soft Science Fiction|beings by extrapolation]]) as property. As slaves are bound to their owners, they were prevented from leaving or refusing to work under threat of immediate violence for disobedience. When two groups would fight, it was not uncommon for the victor to capture some of the defeated along with the goods or territory and put them to work. Later on, as long-distance trade improved, they also began selling said captives to other cultures. The children of slaves usually were slaves themselves, though this was not universal.&lt;br /&gt;
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In other cases, people would be put into slavery as a punishment, e.g. for failure to pay their debts, or voluntarily such as an alternative to paying for something. Some systems of slavery even offered opportunities for, like the Devshirmeh system in Ottoman Empire, where boys taken from among Christian vassals who were bright enough could actually end up as Grand Vizier of the Empire (with a few caveats; all of them had to be converted to Islam - willingly or not, and that&#039;s only if they were bright enough, otherwise they&#039;d just be soldiers or laborers).&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition to the practice of owning human beings as chattel, there are other contemporary and historical arrangements so similar to slavery that they are referred to as slavery informally or at that point in history. A few of these include serfdom ([[Peasant|serfs]] were not owned, but they were bound to the land owned by [[noble]]s and are required to work the noble&#039;s land 2-3 days per week for free and keep what else they could grow-keep-trade), indentured servitude in colonial America (in exchange for passage to the new world being paid, criminal fines or to discharge a debt, someone would be indentured to a contract holder and have to work off their debt over a number of years such as British criminals), impressment and shanghaiing (where people were kidnapped from ports or ships and forced to serve as sailors with said debt not being hereditary), the various forced labor programs used by the [[Nazi]]s, [[Communism|Communists]], and other despotic regimes and the victims of human trafficking which is still ongoing today.&lt;br /&gt;
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== History stuff ==&lt;br /&gt;
The oldest surviving codex of laws yet discovered in the world, the Code of Ur-Nammu, has multiple references to slaves, so slavery has been with humanity for a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; long time. Slavery was practiced in virtually every culture at some point throughout their history; as soon as a people progressed from a hunter-gathering and nomadic culture to an agrarian one it became more convenient to look for ways to increase productivity and lower expenses. Before the advent of modern machinery, that way was some flavor of slave workforce since you generally had to spend less resources on a slave than you would on your fellow clan member. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the ancient world, basically all civilizations made use of slavery to some degree or another. Prisoners of war were taken as slaves and made to ply their trade for their conquerors, or were sold abroad for goods. Since civilizations would wax and wane from time to time, the enslavers of one generation might end up enslaved in the next. The Greeks made heavier-than-usual use of slaves, and the Romans even more so. The Persians did not use slavery themselves and tried to limit it, but slavery did exist in their Empire among their conquered vassals. Slaves worked in every field from miners (who were quickly worked to death) to farmers, to factory workers and skilled craftsmen, to entertainers, teachers and doctors (particularly Greeks who could buy their freedom in a year, or even less if skilled) and even up to high ranking government officials in the Empire. Ancient Romans used to grumble about all these slaves coming in stealing people&#039;s jobs (this sentence is not a joke).&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery existed in [[Medieval Stasis|Medieval Europe]], but declined after the year 1,000 AD in a lot of places, especially the north.  The Vikings practiced slavery, acquiring them primarily on their expeditions to Eastern Europe and the British Isles. They could also obtain Viking slaves at home, as crimes like murder and thievery were punished with slavery.  The basis for the modern English word slave gets its roots here, as the Slavic races were so often put upon that they pretty much named [[Grimdark|the ordeal after them]]. After the Europeans discovered the continent of Africa, there was much contact between local tribes and foreigners and many nations would take slaves from the peoples of Africa abetted at times by local slavery systems among African people themselves (see below). This brought up the matter of racial slavery. In the Classical World (and Rome in particular), slaves were basically from everywhere in the Empire and many places beyond and the children of freed slaves in Rome became more Romans. Slavery is not a nice thing even at the best of times, but racial slavery adds to it the conception that an enslaved race is inferior, doomed to servitude forever, and that people from it are unfit for anything else. Those caught up in it had little hope of ever elevating themselves from a state of being a form of livestock with the hands for manual labor. Slave ships sailed from Europe to Africa loaded with manufactured goods, textiles, guns and gunpowder which they traded for captives taken in war, who were then packed in like sardines to be shipped off to the New World. There they loaded up on tobacco and sugar and sailed back to Europe. [[Grimdark|In Brazil and most of the Caribbean between 1600 and 1800, the slave population never was able to achieve natural replacement rates due to a high death rate from overwork and abuse by their masters]]. The American system of slavery (aka &amp;quot;the peculiar institution&amp;quot;) would arguably require an entire article of its own, but since we&#039;d rather not try to poke that hornet&#039;s nest it&#039;s enough to say that it was not much better than the Caribbean experience and was only abolished after the American Civil War (which was followed by the system called the Jim Crow Laws, which is an issue for another article). &lt;br /&gt;
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Africa has had slavery between its various tribes and kingdoms for millennia.  Between this and many foreign civilizations making extensive use of African slaves, the history of slavery in Africa is complicated and violent. In Africa, even prior to the Arab slave trade or the Atlantic/European slave trade, slavery happened in all the forms from ancient times. This was enacted between the various tribes and nations of Africa; however, in many African societies where slavery was prevalent, the enslaved people were not treated as chattel slaves and had certain rights in a system similar to indentured servitude elsewhere in the world. When the Arab slave trade and Atlantic slave trade began, many of the local slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa. They also supplied criminals and captives from rival tribes or nations to the Arab, European or American slave trades. This means African slave traders unwittingly helped fan the flames of the issue of racial slavery, unaware of the exploitation and dehumanization these buyers would subject them to- and that&#039;s before the Scramble for Africa caused many of them to become slaves themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the Ottoman Empire, who can &#039;&#039;arguably&#039;&#039; can be seen as a continuity of the Eastern Roman Empire, the system was more or less the same, but with a small possibility of moving up if you were a Christian (or claiming to be one) because Christians (and Jews) are considered &amp;quot;people of the Book&amp;quot;, meaning the worthiest of non-Muslim people according to Islam. &#039;&#039;Devshirmeh&#039;&#039; is the name for the system of taking one boy out of 40 houses from the population of Christian vassals in the Ottoman Empire; this mostly meant Balkan Christians with the inclusion of Bosniak Muslims, and Armenians, Romani and Jews were explicitly excluded. The sad and unwelcome reality of the &#039;&#039;devshirmeh&#039;&#039; system didn&#039;t stop some families from actively sending their kids, who were seen as too smart and full of potential to die toiling in some Balkan countryside; said desparation was often to the point of bribing the Janissary Aghas. The taken boys were converted to Islam (or pretended to, either way they didn&#039;t have a choice), then made into elite monastic troops called Janissaries (new soldiers); if they proved to be intelligent, they were sent to the Imperial Academy in Enderun to become bureaucrats. Being slaves, they had no &#039;&#039;habeas corpus&#039;&#039; and could be executed at any time - &#039;&#039;in theory&#039;&#039;. In practice, execution was a non-issue since they commanded enough power to dictate Ottoman military policy, married Ottoman princesses, engineered palace coups to kill off sultans who didn&#039;t pay them enough, and ended up even investing back in their native countries of Bosnia (the reason Bosniaks mourned the fall of the Janissary institution while EVERYONE ELSE celebrated it).&lt;br /&gt;
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Female slaves in the Ottoman Empire &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; end up in the palace as a concubine, but this involved more mindfuckery and tricks between concubines than a game of poker with [[Tzeentch]], and no concubine ever ended up dying in her bed. Ironically, concubines who lost the Sultan&#039;s favor would marry Viziers and other Ottoman Sipahi lords, and ended up &#039;&#039;far better&#039;&#039; than those gunning to the top. With the advent of nationalism, the French Revolution, and the growing need for military reforms bitterly opposed by the Janissaries, the system&#039;s flaws burst like rotting cysts, and Slavery went the way of the Dodo in 1847 thanks to [[Noblebright|Abdulmajid&#039;s reforms]]. The harem was numerous enough by then, and the freed whites went on with their lives while the black population [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks settled in Western Turkey as free farmers].&lt;br /&gt;
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Eurasia, particularly Ukraine, was the hotbed of slavery for the Ottoman Empire, with the port city of Caffa being the continent&#039;s major slave ports. The Russians liberated it from the Crimean Khanate, whose major income was thousands of taken women and children from villages, supplying the Ottoman Empire&#039;s need for European/white women. Evliya Çelebi even wrote about the despair and cries of women separated from their children and then sold separately. &lt;br /&gt;
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In contrast to the above, slavery is virtually never mentioned in [[Oriental Adventures|east Asian-inspired]] settings. This has some basis in history in certain areas: The [[Mongols]]&#039; nomadic lifestyle was not conductive to widespread slavery, though they did take some captives as slaves ([[Genghis motherfucking Khan|Genghis Khan]] himself was briefly a slave in his youth), and during the Mongol Empire&#039;s runs on conquering China people were often little better than slaves anyway. The Chinese themselves went through several periods of loosening and then making stricter laws surrounding slavery, usually rallying around who was in charge following their frequent wars to unify, only to break apart once more. The inhabitants of the Ryukyu islands &amp;quot;would die over&amp;quot; slavery rather than participate. Slavery in Asia was probably most prolific on the Korean peninsula, who had a caste system, but population growth, a few slave revolts and modernization eventually rendered it less than palatable.&lt;br /&gt;
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The earliest European reports of [[Japan]] mention that, though it existed there, slavery was rare and primarily inflicted on debtors and prisoners of war. The main recorded examples are the maids/concubines of the rich, and those brought by Europeans themselves. One European held slave&#039;s physical stature impressed Oda Nobunaga so much that he purchased him, freed him and elevated him to samurai status. This man would be known as Yasuke, [[Anime|the only black samurai]]. During the Sengoku a not-insignificant of Japanese prisoners of war were sold to the Europeans for foreign trade until 1587/1595, when Toyotomi Hideyoshi banned it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Slavery in Fantasy==&lt;br /&gt;
Because slavery is viewed as such a moral repugnance throughout the modern world, it is an easy way for lazy [[GM]]s to get a reaction from players. Slavery being one of the common features of a setting&#039;s bad guys makes for an easy way to establish that civilization or organization is [[Alignment|evil]]. A bunch of armed guys attack a peaceful village with chains and whips to catch its residents, bind them, and take them to their dwelling, where they&#039;re treated worse than how we treat livestock and forced to: toil, be beaten, probably raped, and  made to fight to the death in arenas for the amusement and benefit of some sick bastards? That is more than enough reason to establish &amp;quot;these guys are bad, go [[murderhobo|kill their asses]]&amp;quot; regardless of alignment; even Evil characters can simply indulge their drive to kill by offing slavers, and exploit the freed villagers and their families for more favors - particularly Lawful Evil ones.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, this is not always the case; both the perceived &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; factions can also engage in slavery, although how they do it usually defines who&#039;s good and who&#039;s bad (regardless of how minute the difference is). Take [[Araby]] and the [[Dark Elves]] in the &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer Fantasy Battles|Warhammer Fantasy]]&#039;&#039; setting, for example. Both factions engage in wanton slavery and have no qualms about it being a common thing everywhere. However, what sort of defines each of them is how they see their slaves. In Araby, slaves have several rights, the children of slaves are guaranteed by law to not be slaves, and particularly cruel mistreatment of slaves will result in punishment to the masters and the mistreated becoming free. The Dark Elves consider all non-Dark Elves to be beneath them and will torture and maim their slaves, just because they think it is fun.&lt;br /&gt;
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Though it is found in both, slavery is more common in fantasy settings than in science fiction. In your typical Tolkien knockoff, the way you go about digging rocks, harvesting lumber, tilling fields and raising buildings is normally with strong backs. In most sci-fi worlds, why have a bunch of slaves working in an irradiated asteroid space mine when you could have a bunch of robots who don&#039;t need slave drivers, don&#039;t require food or air, won&#039;t plot escape/rebellion ([[Men of Iron|&#039;&#039;&#039;hopefully&#039;&#039;&#039;]]), and are stronger and easier to repair if damaged? &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer 40,000]]&#039;&#039; actually justifies having slaves fairly well in that, in the [[Imperium]], such automation is considered techno-[[heresy]] (or simply decayed like spaceship artillery loaders) due to a robot rebellion happening in the past and the risk of Chaos corruption for the machines, while the [[Dark Eldar]] are sick bastards who need to consume souls of psychically susceptible species (human youngsters are prime specimens, while Tau souls taste bland and weak) and get their rocks off at making others miserable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery of a [[/d/|certain kind]] is a common feature of many [[Magical Realm]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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==A Digression About the Economics of Slavery==&lt;br /&gt;
For serious worldbuilders who have it, you need to consider what economics already considers a long-standing question: Is slavery profitable in the long term, and if so where?&lt;br /&gt;
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The consensus answer among economic historians to the first one is that yes, slavery can be profitable, but only in those situations where technology does not offer a faster/cheaper/safer solution. Indeed, most ancient Empires (Egyptian, Greek, Roman) had some form of institutionalized slavery that allowed them to endure. This being said, the very concept of slavery has some serious downsides (that have nothing to do with morality) dooming it in the long run. The short answer to the &amp;quot;where&amp;quot; question is &amp;quot;cash crops and other agriculture, unskilled labor, and a bit of mining&amp;quot;, in roughly that order of profitability.&lt;br /&gt;
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The practical downsides that doom slavery include, but are not limited to:&lt;br /&gt;
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*First of all, in any area where sabotage is a serious concern slavery is usually a non-starter. For a recent example, look at the [[Nazi]]s using forced labor to build their weapons later in the war, and the quality of said weapons. That rules out most semi-modern mining, as well as just about any industry with any degree of mechanization and a surprising amount of agriculture.&lt;br /&gt;
** Despite mining being the stereotypical use of slaves in fiction, mining past a certain depth is sufficiently deadly and expensive that semi-skilled labor is &#039;&#039;&#039;absolutely required&#039;&#039;&#039;, and a slave has a nice way to commit suicide AND hurt his master&#039;s profits at the same time. While &#039;&#039;other&#039;&#039; exploitative practices may be used, the training required means actual slavery-based mining is very much a no-go save for tasks such as the very basic work of breaking surface mineral seams, as well as open-pit mining, where &amp;quot;getting stuck&amp;quot; is not an issue and carrying loads to processing stations a la South American silver mining done by Spanish or simple stone quarries where all one needs doing is to hit a stone with a pick and carry the result to storage.&lt;br /&gt;
*Second, unless reproduction is heavily encouraged, slave populations have a tendency to drop over time, especially compared to relatively free populations (even ignoring manumission and escapes), and five seconds of thought on slaves&#039; living conditions should lead to a few obvious conclusions as to why. So if you want to keep up, you need to constantly raid (or trade with raiders) for more slaves. Last time this was done beyond the 16th century, the United States wrecked the entire Barbary coast with artillery and freed slaves. So any &amp;quot;sustainable&amp;quot; raiding *will* attract military threats that will make sure any slave taken will eventually be more expensive than a free worker who is A) already available and willing, B) lives within the empire and C) has many motivations, such as family, welfare and [[Tzeentch|hopes for a good future]]).&lt;br /&gt;
*Third, slave-holding societies are usually economically out-competed by non-slave-holding societies once military considerations are either removed or temporarily equalized. There are plenty of reasons for this, but the big ones are the twin spectres of Incentives (which align more closely in non-slave societies) and Efficiency (effort you expend on keeping slaves from escaping or rebelling could usually be more productively used elsewhere, and that&#039;s just to &#039;&#039;start&#039;&#039;, saying nothing of potentially intelligent slaves wasted in labor they are not optimal for rather than being educated and made into scientists).&lt;br /&gt;
*Fourth, if slaves are owned in large numbers they start to displace the local non-slaves. This is not a simple case of [[Meme|&amp;quot;DEY TOOK AHR JERBS&amp;quot;]], as the Romans can attest: when large numbers of slaves started to displace local farmers who were forced to sell their land for some reason or the other, said ex-farmers were driven to the cities, where there were not a lot of jobs either. This bred poverty, and from poverty rose a class dissatisfied with their lot in life as they starve while the rich grow fat. And from this rose political and civilian unrest, which is never good for any state. In the case of the Romans, this gave birth to a populist dictator, Julius Caesar and his adoptive son Octavian, which created a major precedent for all modern dictatorships and bread-and-circuses states.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Topquote|I came here in peace, seeking gold and slaves.|Jack Handey, &#039;&#039;What I&#039;d Say to the Martians&#039;&#039;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Slavery&#039;&#039;&#039; is the institution of owning other humans ([[Hard Science Fiction|as well as other sapient]] [[Soft Science Fiction|beings by extrapolation]]) as property. As slaves are bound to their owners, they were prevented from leaving or refusing to work under threat of immediate violence for disobedience. When two groups would fight, it was not uncommon for the victor to capture some of the defeated along with the goods or territory and put them to work. Later on, as long-distance trade improved, they also began selling said captives to other cultures. The children of slaves usually were slaves themselves, though this was not universal.&lt;br /&gt;
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In other cases, people would be put into slavery as a punishment, e.g. for failure to pay their debts, or voluntarily such as an alternative to paying for something. Some systems of slavery even offered opportunities for, like the Devshirmeh system in Ottoman Empire, where boys taken from among Christian vassals who were bright enough could actually end up as Grand Vizier of the Empire (only if they were bright enough, otherwise they&#039;d be soldiers or laborers, and of course they were converted to Islam beforehand).&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition to the practice of owning human beings as chattel, there are other contemporary and historical arrangements so similar to slavery that they are referred to as slavery informally or at that point in history. A few of these include serfdom ([[Peasant|serfs]] were not owned, but they were bound to the land owned by [[noble]]s and are required to work the noble&#039;s land 2-3 days per week for free and keep what else they could grow-keep-trade), indentured servitude in colonial America (in exchange for passage to the new world being paid, criminal fines or to discharge a debt, someone would be indentured to a contract holder and have to work off their debt over a number of years such as British criminals), impressment and shanghaiing (where people were kidnapped from ports or ships and forced to serve as sailors with said debt not being hereditary), the various forced labor programs used by the [[Nazi]]s, [[Communism|Communists]], and other despotic regimes and the victims of human trafficking which is still ongoing today.&lt;br /&gt;
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== History stuff ==&lt;br /&gt;
The oldest surviving codex of laws yet discovered in the world, the Code of Ur-Nammu, has multiple references to slaves, so slavery has been with humanity for a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; long time. Slavery was practiced in virtually every culture at some point throughout their history; as soon as a people progressed from a hunter-gathering and nomadic culture to an agrarian one it became more convenient to look for ways to increase productivity and lower expenses. Before the advent of modern machinery, that way was some flavor of slave workforce since you generally had to spend less resources on a slave than you would on your fellow clan member. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the ancient world, basically all civilizations made use of slavery to some degree or another. Prisoners of war were taken as slaves and made to ply their trade for their conquerors, or were sold abroad for goods. Since civilizations would wax and wane from time to time, the enslavers of one generation might end up enslaved in the next. The Greeks made heavier-than-usual use of slaves, and the Romans even more so. The Persians did not use slavery themselves and tried to limit it, but slavery did exist in their Empire among their conquered vassals. Slaves worked in every field from miners (who were quickly worked to death) to farmers, to factory workers and skilled craftsmen, to entertainers, teachers and doctors (particularly Greeks who could buy their freedom in a year, or even less if skilled) and even up to high ranking government officials in the Empire. Ancient Romans used to grumble about all these slaves coming in stealing people&#039;s jobs (this sentence is not a joke).&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery existed in [[Medieval Stasis|Medieval Europe]], but declined after the year 1,000 AD in a lot of places, especially the north.  The Vikings practiced slavery, acquiring them primarily on their expeditions to Eastern Europe and the British Isles. They could also obtain Viking slaves at home, as crimes like murder and thievery were punished with slavery.  The basis for the modern English word slave gets its roots here, as the Slavic races were so often put upon that they pretty much named [[Grimdark|the ordeal after them]]. After the Europeans discovered the continent of Africa, there was much contact between local tribes and foreigners and many nations would take slaves from the peoples of Africa abetted at times by local slavery systems among African people themselves (see below). This brought up the matter of racial slavery. In the Classical World (and Rome in particular), slaves were basically from everywhere in the Empire and many places beyond and the children of freed slaves in Rome became more Romans. Slavery is not a nice thing even at the best of times, but racial slavery adds to it the conception that an enslaved race is inferior, doomed to servitude forever, and that people from it are unfit for anything else. Those caught up in it had little hope of ever elevating themselves from a state of being a form of livestock with the hands for manual labor. Slave ships sailed from Europe to Africa loaded with manufactured goods, textiles, guns and gunpowder which they traded for captives taken in war, who were then packed in like sardines to be shipped off to the New World. There they loaded up on tobacco and sugar and sailed back to Europe. [[Grimdark|In Brazil and most of the Caribbean between 1600 and 1800, the slave population never was able to achieve natural replacement rates due to a high death rate from overwork and abuse by their masters]]. The American system of slavery (aka &amp;quot;the peculiar institution&amp;quot;) would arguably require an entire article of its own, but since we&#039;d rather not try to poke that hornet&#039;s nest it&#039;s enough to say that it was not much better than the Caribbean experience and was only abolished after the American Civil War (which was followed by the system called the Jim Crow Laws, which is an issue for another article). &lt;br /&gt;
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Africa has had slavery between its various tribes and kingdoms for millennia.  Between this and many foreign civilizations making extensive use of African slaves, the history of slavery in Africa is complicated and violent. In Africa, even prior to the Arab slave trade or the Atlantic/European slave trade, slavery happened in all the forms from ancient times. This was enacted between the various tribes and nations of Africa; however, in many African societies where slavery was prevalent, the enslaved people were not treated as chattel slaves and had certain rights in a system similar to indentured servitude elsewhere in the world. When the Arab slave trade and Atlantic slave trade began, many of the local slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa. They also supplied criminals and captives from rival tribes or nations to the Arab, European or American slave trades. This means African slave traders unwittingly helped fan the flames of the issue of racial slavery, unaware of the exploitation and dehumanization these buyers would subject them to- and that&#039;s before the Scramble for Africa caused many of them to become slaves themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the Ottoman Empire, who can &#039;&#039;arguably&#039;&#039; can be seen as a continuity of the Eastern Roman Empire, the system was more or less the same, but with a small possibility of moving up if you were a Christian (or claiming to be one) because Christians (and Jews) are considered &amp;quot;people of the Book&amp;quot;, meaning the worthiest of non-Muslim people according to Islam. &#039;&#039;Devshirmeh&#039;&#039; is the name for the system of taking one boy out of 40 houses from the population of Christian vassals in the Ottoman Empire; this mostly meant Balkan Christians with the inclusion of Bosniak Muslims, and Armenians, Romani and Jews were explicitly excluded. The sad and unwelcome reality of the &#039;&#039;devshirmeh&#039;&#039; system didn&#039;t stop some families from actively sending their kids, who were seen as too smart and full of potential to die toiling in some Balkan countryside; said desparation was often to the point of bribing the Janissary Aghas. The taken boys were converted to Islam (or pretended to, either way they didn&#039;t have a choice), then made into elite monastic troops called Janissaries (new soldiers); if they proved to be intelligent, they were sent to the Imperial Academy in Enderun to become bureaucrats. Being slaves, they had no &#039;&#039;habeas corpus&#039;&#039; and could be executed at any time - &#039;&#039;in theory&#039;&#039;. In practice, execution was a non-issue since they commanded enough power to dictate Ottoman military policy, married Ottoman princesses, engineered palace coups to kill off sultans who didn&#039;t pay them enough, and ended up even investing back in their native countries of Bosnia (the reason Bosniaks mourned the fall of the Janissary institution while EVERYONE ELSE celebrated it).&lt;br /&gt;
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Female slaves in the Ottoman Empire &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; end up in the palace as a concubine, but this involved more mindfuckery and tricks between concubines than a game of poker with [[Tzeentch]], and no concubine ever ended up dying in her bed. Ironically, concubines who lost the Sultan&#039;s favor would marry Viziers and other Ottoman Sipahi lords, and ended up &#039;&#039;far better&#039;&#039; than those gunning to the top. With the advent of nationalism, the French Revolution, and the growing need for military reforms bitterly opposed by the Janissaries, the system&#039;s flaws burst like rotting cysts, and Slavery went the way of the Dodo in 1847 thanks to [[Noblebright|Abdulmajid&#039;s reforms]]. The harem was numerous enough by then, and the freed whites went on with their lives while the black population [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks settled in Western Turkey as free farmers].&lt;br /&gt;
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Eurasia, particularly Ukraine, was the hotbed of slavery for the Ottoman Empire, with the port city of Caffa being the continent&#039;s major slave ports. The Russians liberated it from the Crimean Khanate, whose major income was thousands of taken women and children from villages, supplying the Ottoman Empire&#039;s need for European/white women. Evliya Çelebi even wrote about the despair and cries of women separated from their children and then sold separately. &lt;br /&gt;
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In contrast to the above, slavery is virtually never mentioned in [[Oriental Adventures|east Asian-inspired]] settings. This has some basis in history in certain areas: The [[Mongols]]&#039; nomadic lifestyle was not conductive to widespread slavery, though they did take some captives as slaves ([[Genghis motherfucking Khan|Genghis Khan]] himself was briefly a slave in his youth), and during the Mongol Empire&#039;s runs on conquering China people were often little better than slaves anyway. The Chinese themselves went through several periods of loosening and then making stricter laws surrounding slavery, usually rallying around who was in charge following their frequent wars to unify, only to break apart once more. The inhabitants of the Ryukyu islands &amp;quot;would die over&amp;quot; slavery rather than participate. Slavery in Asia was probably most prolific on the Korean peninsula, who had a caste system, but population growth, a few slave revolts and modernization eventually rendered it less than palatable.&lt;br /&gt;
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The earliest European reports of [[Japan]] mention that, though it existed there, slavery was rare and primarily inflicted on debtors and prisoners of war. The main recorded examples are the maids/concubines of the rich, and those brought by Europeans themselves. One European held slave&#039;s physical stature impressed Oda Nobunaga so much that he purchased him, freed him and elevated him to samurai status. This man would be known as Yasuke, [[Anime|the only black samurai]]. During the Sengoku a not-insignificant of Japanese prisoners of war were sold to the Europeans for foreign trade until 1587/1595, when Toyotomi Hideyoshi banned it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Slavery in Fantasy==&lt;br /&gt;
Because slavery is viewed as such a moral repugnance throughout the modern world, it is an easy way for lazy [[GM]]s to get a reaction from players. Slavery being one of the common features of a setting&#039;s bad guys makes for an easy way to establish that civilization or organization is [[Alignment|evil]]. A bunch of armed guys attack a peaceful village with chains and whips to catch its residents, bind them, and take them to their dwelling, where they&#039;re treated worse than how we treat livestock and forced to: toil, be beaten, probably raped, and  made to fight to the death in arenas for the amusement and benefit of some sick bastards? That is more than enough reason to establish &amp;quot;these guys are bad, go [[murderhobo|kill their asses]]&amp;quot; regardless of alignment; even Evil characters can simply indulge their drive to kill by offing slavers, and exploit the freed villagers and their families for more favors - particularly Lawful Evil ones.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, this is not always the case; both the perceived &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; factions can also engage in slavery, although how they do it usually defines who&#039;s good and who&#039;s bad (regardless of how minute the difference is). Take [[Araby]] and the [[Dark Elves]] in the &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer Fantasy Battles|Warhammer Fantasy]]&#039;&#039; setting, for example. Both factions engage in wanton slavery and have no qualms about it being a common thing everywhere. However, what sort of defines each of them is how they see their slaves. In Araby, slaves have several rights, the children of slaves are guaranteed by law to not be slaves, and particularly cruel mistreatment of slaves will result in punishment to the masters and the mistreated becoming free. The Dark Elves consider all non-Dark Elves to be beneath them and will torture and maim their slaves, just because they think it is fun.&lt;br /&gt;
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Though it is found in both, slavery is more common in fantasy settings than in science fiction. In your typical Tolkien knockoff, the way you go about digging rocks, harvesting lumber, tilling fields and raising buildings is normally with strong backs. In most sci-fi worlds, why have a bunch of slaves working in an irradiated asteroid space mine when you could have a bunch of robots who don&#039;t need slave drivers, don&#039;t require food or air, won&#039;t plot escape/rebellion ([[Men of Iron|&#039;&#039;&#039;hopefully&#039;&#039;&#039;]]), and are stronger and easier to repair if damaged? &#039;&#039;[[Warhammer 40,000]]&#039;&#039; actually justifies having slaves fairly well in that, in the [[Imperium]], such automation is considered techno-[[heresy]] (or simply decayed like spaceship artillery loaders) due to a robot rebellion happening in the past and the risk of Chaos corruption for the machines, while the [[Dark Eldar]] are sick bastards who need to consume souls of psychically susceptible species (human youngsters are prime specimens, while Tau souls taste bland and weak) and get their rocks off at making others miserable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Slavery of a [[/d/|certain kind]] is a common feature of many [[Magical Realm]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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==A Digression About the Economics of Slavery==&lt;br /&gt;
For serious worldbuilders who have it, you need to consider what economics already considers a long-standing question: Is slavery profitable in the long term, and if so where?&lt;br /&gt;
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The consensus answer among economic historians to the first one is that yes, slavery can be profitable, but only in those situations where technology does not offer a faster/cheaper/safer solution. Indeed, most ancient Empires (Egyptian, Greek, Roman) had some form of institutionalized slavery that allowed them to endure. This being said, the very concept of slavery has some serious downsides (that have nothing to do with morality) dooming it in the long run. The short answer to the &amp;quot;where&amp;quot; question is &amp;quot;cash crops and other agriculture, unskilled labor, and a bit of mining&amp;quot;, in roughly that order of profitability.&lt;br /&gt;
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The practical downsides that doom slavery include, but are not limited to:&lt;br /&gt;
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*First of all, in any area where sabotage is a serious concern slavery is usually a non-starter. For a recent example, look at the [[Nazi]]s using forced labor to build their weapons later in the war, and the quality of said weapons. That rules out most semi-modern mining, as well as just about any industry with any degree of mechanization and a surprising amount of agriculture.&lt;br /&gt;
** Despite mining being the stereotypical use of slaves in fiction, mining past a certain depth is sufficiently deadly and expensive that semi-skilled labor is &#039;&#039;&#039;absolutely required&#039;&#039;&#039;, and a slave has a nice way to commit suicide AND hurt his master&#039;s profits at the same time. While &#039;&#039;other&#039;&#039; exploitative practices may be used, the training required means actual slavery-based mining is very much a no-go save for tasks such as the very basic work of breaking surface mineral seams, as well as open-pit mining, where &amp;quot;getting stuck&amp;quot; is not an issue and carrying loads to processing stations a la South American silver mining done by Spanish or simple stone quarries where all one needs doing is to hit a stone with a pick and carry the result to storage.&lt;br /&gt;
*Second, unless reproduction is heavily encouraged, slave populations have a tendency to drop over time, especially compared to relatively free populations (even ignoring manumission and escapes), and five seconds of thought on slaves&#039; living conditions should lead to a few obvious conclusions as to why. So if you want to keep up, you need to constantly raid (or trade with raiders) for more slaves. Last time this was done beyond the 16th century, the United States wrecked the entire Barbary coast with artillery and freed slaves. So any &amp;quot;sustainable&amp;quot; raiding *will* attract military threats that will make sure any slave taken will eventually be more expensive than a free worker who is A) already available and willing, B) lives within the empire and C) has many motivations, such as family, welfare and [[Tzeentch|hopes for a good future]]).&lt;br /&gt;
*Third, slave-holding societies are usually economically out-competed by non-slave-holding societies once military considerations are either removed or temporarily equalized. There are plenty of reasons for this, but the big ones are the twin spectres of Incentives (which align more closely in non-slave societies) and Efficiency (effort you expend on keeping slaves from escaping or rebelling could usually be more productively used elsewhere, and that&#039;s just to &#039;&#039;start&#039;&#039;, saying nothing of potentially intelligent slaves wasted in labor they are not optimal for rather than being educated and made into scientists).&lt;br /&gt;
*Fourth, if slaves are owned in large numbers they start to displace the local non-slaves. This is not a simple case of [[Meme|&amp;quot;DEY TOOK AHR JERBS&amp;quot;]], as the Romans can attest: when large numbers of slaves started to displace local farmers who were forced to sell their land for some reason or the other, said ex-farmers were driven to the cities, where there were not a lot of jobs either. This bred poverty, and from poverty rose a class dissatisfied with their lot in life as they starve while the rich grow fat. And from this rose political and civilian unrest, which is never good for any state. In the case of the Romans, this gave birth to a populist dictator, Julius Caesar and his adoptive son Octavian, which created a major precedent for all modern dictatorships and bread-and-circuses states.&lt;br /&gt;
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