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		<title>Female Space Marines</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;2600:1007:B006:8854:844D:C1DE:B099:D1B2: /* The canon part */&lt;/p&gt;
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[[Image:beakiegal.jpg|thumb|right|Guaranteed to garner at least 100 replies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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There is no tactic more effective for [[RAGE|enraging]] a die-hard [[Space Marines|SPESS MEHREENS]] fanboy than discussing/drawing their [[Rule 63]] companion, &#039;&#039;&#039;Female Space Marines&#039;&#039;&#039;. Not to be confused with [[Sisters of Battle]], the canonical equivalent to Space Marines and also armed with bolters and chainswords, but &#039;&#039;Space Marine&#039;&#039; Space Marines of the Adeptus Astartes, you know, the hypermuscular ones with [[Pauldrons]]. According to [[Games Workshop]] [[canon]], the procedures that are used to create a Space Marine only work properly on male subjects, rendering female Marines impossible; however, masturbators on the internet have not allowed this to deter them. Sometimes it is pointed out that back in the [[Rogue Trader]] days, Games Workshop did briefly produce two power-armoured female models, but they were changed to &amp;quot;Female Adventurers in Power Armour&amp;quot; and were never meant to represent female Marines. Considering this is from Games Workshop, who [[Squats|routinely violates their own canon in subsequent editions]], fanbase be damned, take this as you will.&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s worth noting, though, that Games Workshop hasn&#039;t deterred /tg/ (or indeed, the [[Black Library]] writers) from coming up with ways to potentially allow for them, even with Space Marines being exclusively male being one of the rare things they&#039;ve kept consistent. This is because, as was brought up in [[Daemonette|previous]] [[Monstergirls|articles]], little gets between a man and his fapbait.&lt;br /&gt;
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==The canon part==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [[fluff]], the [[Space Marine]] creation process only works on males because &amp;quot;the [[gene-seed]] zygotes are keyed to male hormones and tissue types&amp;quot; ([[God-Emperor of Mankind|and presumably also Big Boss&#039; superior dominant genes]]). This means the process was designed exclusively for males and simply will not work on women (assuming that the secrets of hormone replacement therapy were lost during the age of strife). &lt;br /&gt;
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From an in-universe standpoint, it was mentioned in one of the Horus Heresy books that [[Malcador the Sigillite]] had suggested making one or two of the Primarchs female, half-jokingly saying that it might help to defuse competition between them. The Emperor was not amused by this at all and insisted that it simply couldn&#039;t be done. (And really, who wants to try to argue with him about it?) &lt;br /&gt;
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In canon terms, the closest female equivalent to a Space Marine would be the [[Sisters of Battle|bolter bitches]], being an all-female force in power armor.&lt;br /&gt;
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==What would a female Space Marine look like if they could exist?==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Silver Skull.jpg|right|thumb|Tina likes long walks on the beach and slaying the Emperor&#039;s foes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Obviously, in the land of Rule 63 they are amazingly hot (and would totally do you), but in dark and gritty fluff-land where they would be optimised for combat rather than jacking off, they would probably have very few notable female features left following surgery and genetic fuckery; they&#039;d have very similar musculature to males, most likely would lack breasts (due to both the removal of sex hormones and the trimming of any &amp;quot;fat&amp;quot; that would make armor uncomfortable), their body shape would only differ very slightly to a male&#039;s because of their enhanced skeletal structure, and all of this would be compounded by the fact that Space Marines are renowned for wearing fuckhuge suits of armour that obscure most of their physical features anyway. A female Space Marine with her helmet on would look like a regular Space Marine.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Alpharius|This means all Space Marines with their helmets on might be female &#039;&#039;right now&#039;&#039; and you wouldn&#039;t even know.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[rage|FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU-]]&lt;br /&gt;
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They&#039;d also be completely sterile. Like, more-so than the males; no sex hormones means no ovulation, assuming they even let her keep those ovaries. Progenoid glands would still play a vital role in gene-seed replication.&lt;br /&gt;
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TL;DR they would be females modified to be as much like males as possible, leading one to ask what sex-starved Inquisitor authorized the monumentous amount of resource waste that such a project would represent.&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[Sindri|SSSSSIIIIIINNNNNNDDDDRRRRRRIIIII!!]]==&lt;br /&gt;
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Unexpected salvation - there are indeed (99.46% possible) Female Space Marines!...in The [[Eye Of Terror]]. Well out of it too - see, due to the nature of [[Chaos]], mutations are often a fact of life. Some desired, some not. What if one hulked out, burning, warped Chaos Space Marine secretly wishes he was the cute little girl who got flowers? Who smiled with joy? Who was so sweet?&lt;br /&gt;
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What if his gods are listening? If the nature of Chaos is what it is to any extent, there is a chance his deity will bestow him with what he has always wanted. Though of course, he could just as easily get an extra tentacle arm, or get mutated into [[Chaos Spawn|that which must never be named]] - such is the nature of Chaos. [[Slaanesh]] especially grants this as a matter of routine, and its a safe bet to make that quite a lot of the [[Emperor&#039;s Children]] men are actually now women, or rather hermaphs. Such is the will of Slaanesh.&lt;br /&gt;
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This was &#039;&#039;confirmed&#039;&#039; in one of the earlier Chapter Approved articles - one that re-introduced mounted [[Daemonette]]s - in which a Governer-Militant fighting a Slaanesh warband mused that there were (apparently female) creatures that [[Heresy|were once Space Marines, but no longer]]. Considering Chaos can cause [[Chaos Spawn|that which must never be named]], is anyone surprised by this?&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[Honsou]], You Sick Fuck==&lt;br /&gt;
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We know that you among the fans, despite all our attempts to dissaude you, want cute FEMALE SPHESS MAHREENS! And there is good news - technically, there ARE Female Space Marines IN OFFICIAL LORE. The catch? Yes there is a catch. And this one is the worst.&lt;br /&gt;
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Your FSM is a bloated, twisted, undying, insane, mutated pregnant mother-slave only alive because she&#039;s in the Eye of Terror.&lt;br /&gt;
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You see, [[Honsou]] of the [[Iron Warriors]], in an effort to squeeze new MAHREENS into the ranks without having to pay that other sick fuck [[Fabius Bile]] for clones, created a system of hideousness and sadness that pushes [[grimdark]] to a whole new level. He invented the [[Daemonculaba]], a system whereby a woman is chained and fed stuff which will morph her and her womb into something that was never meant to be. A boy is then (yes, a child), jammed, shoved or cut INTO the vagina and stays there for a while. When his time is ready, he, now XBAWKS HUEG and STRONG, will have to [[rip and tear|rip, tear]], or otherwise push his way out of his adoptive mother&#039;s womb/vagina. When he emerges, he will either be a skinless mutant abomination, or will emerge as a fully functional (albeit skinless) Chaos Space Marine in a fraction of the time, with all his growth stages and bionics and gene-seed already taken care of. How? [[Meme|It&#039;s fucking science]].&lt;br /&gt;
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This goes back to our Female Space Marine - you see, while she was being morphed and changed, [[Dark Mechanicus]] Biologos hereteks worked on her body, implanting gene-seed and making her physically a Female Space Marine, even if the form is rather off. Thus, her womb can turn children as well into Space Marines by having her womb &#039;grow&#039; the required organs and stages directly into their bodies in a fraction of the time, days and weeks instead of years. Thankfully for the entire universe, this horror was destroyed before Honsou realized he could stick girls in there as well, and get double the recruits, and stumble upon the secret to true Female Space Marines.&lt;br /&gt;
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==RAEG==&lt;br /&gt;
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RAGE is generated by the tactic in two distinct ways; either the neckbeard(s) assume that the creator of the work in question is unaware of the Space Marine fluff, and rage about his or her ignorance; failing that, it becomes clear that they are well aware of the fluff regarding these matters and willingly chose to disregard it, sending the poor neckbeards into fits of spastic rage that anyone would dare deliberately defile the sacrosanct canon of Games Workshop&#039;s masterpiece.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[troll|Still, the aforementioned creator will just ignore him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==A slightly more reasonable answer==&lt;br /&gt;
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The problem really is one of terminology. Women can wear power armour, certainly. Women can, through steroids, incessant bodybuilding, high protein diet, and a little genetic modding, be as buff and rocking as a space marine. But what really makes a space marine a space marine is all of the extra genetically-engineered organs and DNA and whatnot cloned from the Primarchs and implanted in the right way, which is impossible for women for reasons the Emperor refused to explain. The closest thing to an exception in the fluff is any experiment involving Fabius Bile, unless the topic is Honsou of the Iron Warriors. If Fabius Bile is doing it then its kinda more likely that he&#039;d make you a dude with titties and a weird daemon vagina than an actual female space marine, and he will do this by rebirthing you (not reincarnation) inside a bloated woman&#039;s uterus, and it should be noted that the said woman is effectively lobotomized. Because he&#039;s a swell guy like that. And even if he did make you a female space marine for reals, she still wouldn&#039;t be a space marine, just a weird, mutilated, chaos infused thing that approximates a space marine but can never truly be one.&lt;br /&gt;
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Worth noting, however, that given that Bile&#039;s experimented on damn-near everything (including the entire civilian populations of several planets) at some point or another for his attempts to duplicate the methods for creating new space marines, there&#039;s ample evidence to suggest that [[/d/|he&#039;s tried it at least once]]. Fucking [[Slaanesh]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Another possible reason is that all of the Primarchs are men, with male genes, thus meaning that, unless there&#039;s secretly a girl Primarch out there somewhere, female Space Marines cannot be made in the traditional sense.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Golden Aquilas]]: /tg/ homebrew chapter, designed to cause as much RAEG and accusations of derp as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Space Marines]]: Rule 63 equivalent of female space...Wait.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sisters of Battle]]: the warrior nuns of the Imperium that typically are actually armed with bolters and chainswords and whom might be construed to some reasonable extent as being the &#039;female space marines&#039; of Warhammer 40,000&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Stormcast Eternals]], GW&#039;s [[Warhammer Fantasy|Fantasy]] Space Marines in [[Age of Sigmar]], which can be any species and gender. &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Samus]]:  How about a female Primarch?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
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Image:Sisters of anger2.png|And if you think this is bad, once a month they all gain Frenzy.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:1227373581722.gif|Lol. Why u mad though?&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Nidsrape.jpg|Brother-sister Igpay Atinlay boldly distracts the Tyranid foe.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Love is a Battlefield by blazbaros.png|An almost perfect example of a female space marine, complete with the typical bulky space marine form.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:spessbitch.jpg|Not in fact [[Horo]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:Female_warhammer_40k_imperium_model_--_100D0212.jpg|She&#039;d be even scarier if she took off that mask&lt;br /&gt;
File:Female_space_marine_warhammer_40k_model_--_Female_Warrior_Gabs.jpg|DYKE OUTTA FUCKING NOWHERE!&lt;br /&gt;
File:Female_space_marine_warhammer_40k_model_--_Female_Warrior_Jayne.jpg|Your eyes should start bleeding right about now.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Female_space_marine_warhammer_40k_--_Ingunna_Daughter_of_Russ_by_Greymark.jpg|PMS BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!&lt;br /&gt;
File:1k heresy.jpg|&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Not&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; [[Just as planned]]. Now you know why Tzeentch doesn&#039;t invite Slaanesh to his birthday parties anymore.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Primarchs as teen girls.png| The Emperor made the Primarchs to be the greatest human warriors of all time, but [[Warhammer_High|even they were not immune]] to [[Rule 63]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:Femprah_by_Mr-Culexus.jpg|She was not amused by this development.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Saber ultra marine.jpg|Don&#039;t piss off Mama Smurf. Your genitals will not survive.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Chaos saber.jpg|Somehow still less of a failure than the real Abaddon. Of course! Her arms haven&#039;t fallen off!&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Forge World</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;2600:1007:B006:8854:844D:C1DE:B099:D1B2: /* Company */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Forge World&#039;&#039;&#039; is a term associated with [[Warhammer 40,000]]. In-universe, it applies to planets owned by the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] devoted entirely to manufacturing. Out-of-universe, it applies to a division within [[Games Workshop]] that specializes in large and finely-detailed models.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Company ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Manta.jpg|thumb|Hello, I&#039;m a Tau [[Manta]]. I am reasonably priced at a mere &amp;lt;S&amp;gt;£960&amp;lt;/S&amp;gt; &amp;lt;S&amp;gt;£989 ($1,600)&amp;lt;/S&amp;gt; £1,020 ($1,554).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trumpeter-KT.jpg|thumb|Hello, I&#039;m a Trumpeter 2-in-1 1:16 King Tiger. You can buy four of me for that.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The first meaning of Forge World is if you took [[Games Workshop]] and leveled it up a few times. It&#039;s a sub-division of GW and produces resin-cast models for 40k, [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle|Fantasy Battle]], [[Battlefleet Gothic]], and [[Epic]]. Forge World grew from one of the oldest official giant stupid model projects, the early 40K lead Thunderhawk Gunship, which was originally created as a limited edition and routinely thrown at people who won GW contests. The Thunderhawk proved so popular that GW realized there was a serious market for giant stupid models, and thus Forge World was born to provide them, starting with [[Baneblade]]s and suchlike, working up to full-sized 40K Titans. Over time it&#039;s since gone about producing its own range of models and rule sets for a huge array of different factions, and even has its own home-grown Imperial Guard variants (the badass Death Korps of Krieg and Elysian Drop Troops). The awesome-looking Chaos Renegades for [[Lost and the Damned]] also came from here.&lt;br /&gt;
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More recently, Forge World has been spitting out gloriously beautiful and horrendously expensive Horus Heresy-era models, meaning every mark of Astartes Power Armor, Cataphractii Terminators, and older patterns of Rhino and Land Raider. This, in turn, creates the best and worst things ever; re-built, revamped Rogue Trader models. The horrible, goofy weapons, tanks, and dreadnoughts are back, in wonderful, goofy new resin kits. They all look amazingly terrible, but the icing on the cake includes Primarchs like &#039;&#039;[[Horus]] himself&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;fukken JETBIKES.&#039;&#039; Yes, Forge World put out pre-Heresy Jetbikes, and they are everything you hoped and dreamed for, including a new forgotten weapon type (the Volkite). And now they also have Mechanicum models too- because who doesn&#039;t want to play around with the oft-forgotten Imperial Robots?&lt;br /&gt;
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It should be noted however, they are still just a leveled-up version of [[Games Workshop]]; their level of detail and casting quality is rather average by industry standards (though it vastly exceeds GW&#039;s own offerings), but they still charge an arm, leg, and at least one of your testicles for most models&#039;&#039;&#039;*&#039;&#039;&#039;. For scale (aside from the comparison to the right) a Soar Art Works Dora, a 1:35 scale model of a 155-foot railroad gun which is regarded as the largest mass-market plastic kit &#039;&#039;ever&#039;&#039;, costs £425, while the &#039;&#039;body&#039;&#039; of a 16-inch tall Reaver Titan costs £415 and requires another £150 minimum for the three weapons, and the Warlord Titan is a back-breaking £1240.&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition, many of their older models (read: all the ones you want) are no longer available and command even &#039;&#039;higher&#039;&#039; premium prices, and all special models (read: all of them) require an attendant overpriced supplement containing rules that tell you how the hell to actually use it, since just including these as a printable PDF on the site would remove a valuable opportunity to steal your moneys.  These are called [[Imperial Armour]] Volumes, and are handily abbreviated by [[Neckbeard|everyone here]] as &#039;&#039;&#039;IA&#039;&#039;&#039; (and then a Volume Number). People who claim they have these either do not actually have these and instead have [[Heresy|.pdf copies]] &#039;&#039;&#039;/&#039;&#039;&#039; only have one or two (generally out of date) and treat them like Gutenberg Bibles &#039;&#039;&#039;/&#039;&#039;&#039; have like 4+ and are [[Ork#Flash_Gits|way too rich for their own good.]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Also responsible for the [[Forgeworld Reserve Phenomenon]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;In conclusion:&#039;&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;Five hundred quid for a fucking titan? [[Rage|If I ever find the fucker responsible I&#039;m going to beat them to death with their own]] [[HHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhnnnnnnngggggg-]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
Note: Look at the new warlord titans, 900 POUNDS for a titan, 1240 with weaponary&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font size=1&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;*This doesn&#039;t mean to imply that you&#039;re limited to only two models unless you happen to be a serial killer or a corrupt mortician.&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Things Forge World Loves ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Red_Scorpions_Marine.png‎|thumb|150px|right|Screw giving the Sisters of Battle some [[Sisters of Cleaning|much needed loving]], let&#039;s just concentrate all our resources on some [[Red Scorpions|obscure chapter that nobody cares about]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Your money&lt;br /&gt;
*The [[Horus Heresy]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Aircraft&lt;br /&gt;
*Rapiers&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Tau]] [[Battlesuit]]s (XV9s!! fap fap fap)  (XV107s!!!  fapfapfapfap)&lt;br /&gt;
*IG Tanks&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Daemon Engines]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Red Scorpions]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Terminator]]s, all the Terminators (except for the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminator robots originating from a certain movie], even though Games Workshop lifted from that movie to make [[Necrons|a race of robots for their setting]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Titan (Warhammer 40,000)|Titan]]s&lt;br /&gt;
*TEH [[Baneblade|BANEBLEHDS]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kroot]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Charging 100$ for a book&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Space Marines]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dreadnought]]s (they actually sell autocannons!!!)&lt;br /&gt;
*Adding an extra &amp;quot;0&amp;quot; to the end of reasonable prices&lt;br /&gt;
*The word &amp;quot;siege&amp;quot; attached to everything&lt;br /&gt;
*Turrets &amp;amp; Immobile scenery&lt;br /&gt;
*Selling towing vehicles to move that immobile scenery around&lt;br /&gt;
*Bringing civilian vehicles to battle. Seriously, a Sentinel [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(franchise)| Power-lifter]?&lt;br /&gt;
*Papa [[Nurgle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Things Forge World Hates ===&lt;br /&gt;
*Poor people (eg. most of the editors of 1d4chan).&lt;br /&gt;
*Making sure their rules all have models.&lt;br /&gt;
*Making sure their models all have rules.&lt;br /&gt;
*Making army lists (the rules for their models are fine; their lists, on the other hand, are not)&lt;br /&gt;
*Making sure their stuff is balanced (&#039;&#039;actually nowdays FW rules are more balanced then their counterparts at GW, go figure&#039;&#039;).&lt;br /&gt;
*Spell Checker&lt;br /&gt;
*Proof reading books before release for rules/timelines/basic logic errors &#039;&#039;(supersonic transports that cannot land?)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Warhammer fantasy&lt;br /&gt;
*Lord of the Rings&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Common Misconceptions ===&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll occasionally find arguments online or perhaps within local gaming groups about the validity or &amp;quot;official-ness&amp;quot; of Forge World products. This has become less prevalent in recent years as the general perception of Forge World has become more mainstream, though every now and then the prejudice rears its ugly head, usually when your opponent [[Butthurt|won&#039;t let you play]] the FW model you forked out a small fortune for.&lt;br /&gt;
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Lets make one thing perfectly clear: Forge World &#039;&#039;(and Black Library)&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;u&amp;gt;is&amp;lt;/u&amp;gt; Games Workshop. They share the same trading address and legal identity. It is not a subsidiary company (which would be a separate legal entity, but owned by the parent) nor is it a [[Fantasy Flight Games|licensee]] (which is a third party permitted to use the IP). &lt;br /&gt;
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By comparison, [[Citadel Miniatures]] was founded as a subsidiary company and had its own separate projects outside of Warhammer/Warhammer 40,000 &#039;&#039;(so your opponent can [[Rage]] when you tell him your Forge World model has more direct legal provenance than his old metal models)&#039;&#039;. GW also acquired Sabertooth games, which operated as an independent subsidiary, but both were eventually absorbed back into Games Workshop.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, back to the issue with Forge World. Many [[Trolls|people]] had an innate dislike for the fact that Forge World models and rules were not actually declared by Forge World *or* Games Workshop to be &amp;quot;officially&amp;quot; part of the game; they would refuse to allow them on the tabletop, since they did not come from a Games Workshop primary rules source (such as a Codex, or the Big Rule Book).  Forge World eventually started printing prefaces in their books explaining that their rules were official; but some still claim that since &amp;quot;Games Workshop&amp;quot; itself hasn&#039;t come out and said it, that they remain unofficial. However, since the spines of FW&#039;s books have always had the Games Workshop logos on them and the inside front cover have the legal copyright and property notices from GW, this argument seems specious at best; rather, much like how the Big Rule Book has no actual explicit declaration that rules from White Dwarf are &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;, the Imperial Armour books themselves should be considered as canonical (what ever that means in 40k) as GW sources.  &lt;br /&gt;
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However, as with White Dwarf, GW hates you far too much as a gamer and customer to label any of their rulebooks/codices with edition numbers, much less ensure that their FW rules are always kept up to date with the current edition, and unlike Codices where you can typically determine the edition at a glance, a lot of Forgeworld books superficially &amp;quot;look&amp;quot; similar and may even have exactly the same name &#039;&#039;(to date there have been FOUR books with the title &amp;quot;Imperial Armour Apocalypse&amp;quot; but only two of them have sub-titles)&#039;&#039;.  This can be a major reason the rules are banned at tournaments, and an opponent might object for the same reason they might object to fighting a Squats army under the current rules - however &amp;quot;obvious&amp;quot; the rules translation might be, some people are uncomfortable playing games across too wide an edition gap, as rules interactions may make no sense at all and/or have utterly pathological balance ramifications.&lt;br /&gt;
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We all know how [[ChapterHouse Studios|litigious]] GW can get with regards to &amp;quot;unofficial&amp;quot; products using their copyright, so you can bet if it wasn&#039;t official/legal Forge World would have had their asses handed to them, but it would seem absolutely stupid to sue the guys in the next office over in the same building as you.&lt;br /&gt;
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So next time you get to the table and your opponent starts whining about your Forge World models not being legal, just batter him over the head with your Imperial Armour book, which will be an order of magnitude heavier than his little codex and claim your victory by default.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;As an additional side note&#039;&#039;&#039; - this has nothing to do with the perception of FW rules being either powerfully unbalanced or too focused on the narrative, but on reflection, that&#039;s no different from the [[skub]] surrounding [[Grey Knights|codex creep]] and [[Tyranids|painful nerfing]] already rampant within &amp;quot;core&amp;quot; GW material. So what&#039;s new?&lt;br /&gt;
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If a Tournament Organiser decides that they don&#039;t want to include Forgeworld rules then that is entirely their prerogative as they will want the tournament to be as balanced or as hassle free as is reasonable, especially since FW have a tendency to publish their rules with minor variances across multiple &amp;quot;in-date&amp;quot; books, which can be a nightmare to manage, especially where some books have &amp;quot;current&amp;quot; rules alongside other rules which have been superseded elsewhere.&lt;br /&gt;
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But these organisers &#039;&#039;(if they are smart)&#039;&#039; will also likely restrict &amp;quot;core&amp;quot; army selections too, so no Unbound lists or may exclude certain FOCs, because in the end which is more unbalanced and [[Cheese|cheesy]]? The guy who takes a contemptor dreadnought in his Combined Arms detachment or the guy who take an unbound army of Heldrakes? (Ha Held Rakes sound scary)&lt;br /&gt;
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All that said however, there is a somewhat valid reason why someone may be a bit &amp;quot;model-shy&amp;quot; around Forge World rules; and that is information. There are 16 armies in 40k, and each dex tends to have more then one valid build; the Astra Militarum alone has six (tank heavy, artillery heavy, balance, flying circus, infantry spam, veteran spam). From a players perspective, throwing MORE armies, rules and models only compounds how much they need to consider. By counting Forge World, the number of army lists jumps to over 28 without considering supplments or mini-codices with only a handful of options and again, each list can be played in more then one way, and then there are the (admittedly handful) of difference between Forge World and Games Workshop about the same model &amp;quot;is that the vanquisher with the coaxial? or not?&amp;quot; and then on top of all that you need to consider allies. While Forge World is legal from any logical standpoint, people are not logical, and may be daunted by just how much new information they have to learn in order to make proper gameplay choices and not lose, because they did not know that the Death Korp can give orders to artillery. Again, though Forge World is by any standard as legal as any codex, the other player may feel intimidated by your Space Marine siege army just because he does not know for sure what it can do and chose to walk way from it the same way he would if you brought unbound army made of nothing but riptides.&lt;br /&gt;
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The second, fluffy, definition is a type of [[Imperial Worlds]] that refers to an entire world converted into a factory; one that runs at high capacity, even for its size. They produce everything from [[laspistol]]s to [[Land Raider]]s to [[Titan]]s, so they are needed to keep the Imperial war machine trundling forward. Because of their nature, the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] highly regard these worlds as holy places, and the Mechanicus owns just about all of them, which is fine since there are only a few of them and the Mechanicus is best at maintaining that shit. Losing a single one is considered an unacceptable loss by the Mechanicus, and the Imperium as well since it&#039;ll be harder than fuck to fill in those planet-sized gaps in their industrial sector. In the [[fluff]], there is actually a forgeworld called [[What|&#039;Zpandex&#039;]].&lt;br /&gt;
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=== A few forge worlds of note are: ===&lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Mars]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - The big boss of the other forgeworlds and the go-to guy for [[STC|stock patterns]] of weapons. Home to the original three titan legions, the &#039;&#039;Triad Ferrum Morgulus&#039;&#039;: Legio Ignatus (Fire Wasps), [[Dark Mechanicus|Legio]] [[Nurgle|Mortis]] (Death&#039;s Heads), and another Legion that GW keeps under lock and key (Tempestus?).&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Deimos&#039;&#039;&#039; - the one of the moons of Mars, a micro Forgeworld that made the old-school patterns of vehicles that we players refer to as &amp;quot;heresy era&amp;quot;. After the Horus Heresy it was displaced and put into orbit around Titan to provide all the goodies to the [[Grey Knights]] instead. So it&#039;s now a moon of a moon. Oh, and in case you&#039;re wondering about the other one: Phobos is expected to slam into mars at some point in the future. No word on why they can&#039;t just fly it away and put it somewhere else like they did with Deimos.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Ryza&#039;&#039;&#039; - Makes all the coolest plasma stuff because nobody else could keep their act together. Their Titan Legion is the awesomely named Legio Crucius (Warmongers).&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Jupiter&#039;&#039;&#039; - I know right?  Bet you didn&#039;t know about this one. It only makes ships. Went totally green though, the hippies.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Lucius&#039;&#039;&#039; - First colonized by [[Battletech]] players from the late eighties. Maintains the ancient Legio Astorum, better known as the Warp Runners, and supplies Death Korps of Krieg. They have exclusive patterns for some Titans which are cheaper to produce, but not as sweet looking as Mars patterns. Didn&#039;t get super-heavy tank STCs for a while, which is why they were one of the few major Forge Worlds that launched Macharius tank production when it&#039;s STC get re-discovered, while most others frowned on it as a &amp;quot;poor man&#039;s Baneblade&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Orestes&#039;&#039;&#039; - Supplied the Sabbat Worlds Crusade, but got attacked by Chaos Titans. [[Awesome|&#039;&#039;And won.&#039;&#039;]] [[Dan Abnett]] wrote [[Titanicus|a book]] about it. Presumably get overrun by Chaos with the rest of segmentum during the Night of Thousand Rebellions.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Stygies VIII&#039;&#039;&#039; - Makes awesome guns and ammo, as well as the (apparently rare) [[Leman Russ Battle Tank| Leman Russ Vanquisher]]. Cannot keep their act together, losing [[Vance Motherfucking Stubbs|&#039;&#039;two whole Titan Legions&#039;&#039;]] to [[Chaos]] and having to get another legion [[Fail|transplanted in.]] [[What|Also is a moon.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Accatran&#039;&#039;&#039; - Makes all the wargear for the Elysian Drop Troops. Their Titan Legion, the Legio Destructor is the largest of all the Titan legions and their constant battles against Orks have made the Legio Destructor increasingly unorthodox in its outlook and behavior (read: Orky), and they have the awesome battlecry, &#039;big death, Big Death, BIG DEATH!&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Tigrus&#039;&#039;&#039; - Overrun by [[Orks]]. Originally made/discovered the Vanquisher Cannon, the Fellblade and several other Great Crusade-Era vehicles. Most players generally consider the Orkish takeover a good thing, seeing as this world now makes the Kill Tanks from IA8.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Voss Prime&#039;&#039;&#039; - A &#039;&#039;prime&#039;&#039; example of [[Imperium|Imperial]] [[fail]], has no idea [[what]] to do with [[Plasma|plasma.]] Still manages to maintain the goofily-named Legio Invigilata though. Makes Vulture gunships and Lightning Strike Fighters.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Gryphonne IV&#039;&#039;&#039; - Got wrecked by the [[Tyranids]], although some pretty cool artillery made from there still rolls with the [[Imperial Guard|IG]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Anvilus&#039;&#039;&#039; - Prime maker of the [[Land Raider]] before the Heresy. Taken over by Horus&#039;s forces during the heresy and presumably destroyed afterwards.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Sarum&#039;&#039;&#039; - Forge World closely alligned with the [[World Eaters]]. Purged after they turned traitor.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Metalica&#039;&#039;&#039; - Home to the Legio Metalica. Also known as Metalicus due to GW not wanting to get sued. They maintain the only known [[Titans_40k#Imperial_Titans|Imperial Titans]] capable of out-rocking the [[Gargant]]s made by the [[Ork#Rokkas|Goff Rokkas]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Graia&#039;&#039;&#039; - The last known makers of the Rapier Laser Destroyer, and incur misfortune (like getting attacked by [[Orks]] in [[Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine]] and then eaten by the [[Tyranids]]) because GW &#039;&#039;hates&#039;&#039; the Rapier.  Poetically, [http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Death-Korps-of-Krieg/GRAIA-PATTERN-RAPIER-LASER-DESTROYER.html Forge World loves Rapiers.]&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien|Tolkhan]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Imperial Armour|IA Vol. 1]] gave us this gem. Oh [[Rogue Trader]], how you haunt [[Games Workshop|GW]] to this day. [[/tg/|We]] love you so. Incidentally, it is home to the best named Titan Legion ever: Legio Pallidus Mor.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Incaladion&#039;&#039;&#039; - A Forgeworld on the fringes of Imperial Space and constantly raided during the Age of Strife, it was home to the Legio Fureans &#039;Tiger Eyes&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Kai&#039;&#039;&#039; - Once relatively close to Eye Of Terror. Due to [[Just as planned|an unfortunate flux]], the Eye expanded and engulfed it. Managed to maintain an Imperial presence for a time, considering that their weapons didn&#039;t have to obey the laws of physics. Eventually, they had to barter their services (and guns) to various daemons and Chaos Legions inside the Eye in return for protection. Made the legendary [[Bolter#Kai_Gun|Kai Guns]] during this time. Chaos being Chaos, the Machine Smiths of Kai got eradicated in the battle between daemons wanting their [[dakka]] fix. GW being GW, the hundreds of other strange and mystical weapons forged on Kai during its time in the Warp will never be elaborated upon.&lt;br /&gt;
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