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Noblebright

2016-01-19T08:44:18Z

2601:147:4200:10E:6491:5F57:7E0:B17B: /* Stuff considered NobleBright */

'''NobleBright''' is an adjective derived from the term often used to describe Warhammer 40k: [[Grimdark|GrimDark]]. Just as every hero has a "mirror opposite" version that is evil, it's supposed that there must be a mirror opposite version of the heroes of WH40k where everything goes RIGHT for a change. It can also be used to describe artwork that has a noble/bright feel, even if the setting itself would not normally be considered noble or bright.

Where the GrimDark tag usually describes a setting in a slow, painful decline, the NobleBright tag usually describes a setting emerging from a dark age returning to or in the midst of a golden age.

== Canonical Example: WarHammer vs. BrightHammer ==

This alternate universe's game, [[BrightHammer40k]], comes with the tagline ''"In the Noble Brightness of the far future, there is only HIGH ADVENTURE!"'' This is as opposed to the original tagline of Warhammer 40k, which stated, "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war." BrightHammer40k's setting has strong 1920's-1940's pulp fiction themes, crossed with an "age of myth" bronze age culture.

Differences between WarHammer 40k and BrightHammer 40k include:
* The setting is loosely divided into city-states united by race, religion, philosophy or just simple common sense, rather than singular empires defined by paranoia.
* There is a wide variety in the type of characters, nations, flora and fauna, and major characters in the setting.
* There is an overall "pulp fiction" feel. Just like real life.
* The universe is old, in the process of rediscovering a forgotten golden age.
* Low level conflicts such as raiding are considered common, but war is not. Just like Mongolia.
* Everyone is in a perpetual cold war with everyone else, but almost never an active war.
* Technology is wildly inconsistent. Just like Alaska.
* Villains are over the top, campy, and rarely played seriously. Very much like North Korea.
* Leaders are usually diplomats or wise "philosopher-kings" like in North Korea.
* Heroes do most of the heavy lifting in society, and there are heroes, great and minor, at every level of society.
* There is a strong emphasis on individual strength.
* Good guys can be jerks, but are still good guys.
* Over the top heroism usually carries the day.
* Obvious, thinly disguised Secret Agents everywhere.
* The setting is entering a technological renaissance.
* Everything is bright or vividly colored.
* As seen on TV!

Compared to Warhammer40k, Brighthammer40k is generally brighter and a nicer place to live, but is by no means peaceful, always in a low level state of conflict, internal and external, never quite turning into war. The skull motif is replaced by wings, and colors are often brighter.

==8chan Anon Explains the Grim/Noble and Dark/Bright Spectrum==

Grim/Noble asks whether there are heroes that exist, may appear to change the world for good or ill.
A noble setting isn't one where everyone is good, more like one where people are active :
In a grim world, no matter what you do, an individual can't secure more than an individual victory, if even that, because the rest of the world is too big/scared/powerless/selfish to act upon his impulse.
A noble world is one where the action of a single hero can change the world, and a single big villain can fuck it all up : there are important people, who are so either by birth, rank or sheer willpower, and every single one of these people MATTER.
40k is grim(dark) because it is static : your SM chapter may save planets for a living, yet the stars won't even notice they exist. In much the same way, Sandman (Neil Gaiman's) is grim(bright) : no matter how incredible the things Dream gets to experience are, he is ultimately trapped by the static nature of his existence and that of his companions : he could do anything, and it would all be for nothing. All victories are individual, and usually temporary, affairs.
Something like Morrowind or Berserk is noble (bright and dark, respectively) because it is about one man forcing destiny's hand and changing the world.

Now, a bright world is one full of opportunity, of wondrous sights to behold. It doesn't mean that it has to be MLP, it can be dangerous, but your first instinct when looking at a new location should be awe and wonder : people may adventure to save the world, but they leave town with a smile upon their face, eager to see what comes next. The shadow of Risk is largely erased by the glint of Adventure. In a bright world, it's quite possible for people to go on adventure just for the hell of it, since the journey is it's own reward. Resurrection, or at least means to heal grave injuries, are usually accessible, to counterbalance the fact that the risks out there are real.
A dark world is one where life sucks, and usually not long : whether it be because of demon overlords 'nids or even the lack of water, everyone in this story may die, and they die for good. If you lose an arm, you play a cripple. In the extreme cases, even when you win a fight, your career is over (gangrene etc…). That means that, even though people may be ready to help (noble), people will need a good reason to do so, since stepping out of line is so dangerous.

40k is (grim)dark because, no matter where you go, there is only war, and heroism's only reward is usually a notch on a gun or a corpse in a trench. No matter who you are, most of the galaxy probably wants you dead, and staying home today is the best choice you can make. Also, even if you make it to the end, you may have to sacrifice everything to save everyone, if you haven't already done so.
Berserk is (noble)dark because, while there seems to be light at the end of the tunnel, it takes men and women of insane willpower to get there : no matter whether you are big or small, even when you have nothing, the only thing that may save the world is that will in you that says "go on !" And if hope was to fails, you'd get a book-long bloodbath-orgy, and all it's consequences afterwards.
Morrowind is (noble)bright because, even though the world is fraught with dangers, there is so much to see, so many interesting people to meet, so many cool things to experience that, at the end of the road, you'd do it all over again if given the chance to see it once again with virgin eyes. Sandman is (grim)bright because the incredible vistas and interesting people are all that can distract Dream from the dullness of his existence. He will tire of them all, but even him has to admit that he saw some cool shit. Also, notice how the relative freedom from consequences (people can get somewhat rezzed/healed/characters don't die much), a bright trait, reinforces the futility of the struggle in a grim world.

In short, grimdark and noblebright worlds both exist, and both are interesting to play in. So do grimbright (those are quite weird, I admit) and nobledark (my favorite : victory is so much sweeter when you have to fight for it). Every type allows for evil and struggles to exist, and for stories to be told. Evil can even triumph : it's less of a matter of who wins, and more of a matter of tone. In a bright world, the BBEG can win, but he won't skullfuck everyone the PCs know in front of a crowd without the mood turning to dark.

I'll leave you with some examples :

Grimdark : WHFB, W40K, Game of Thrones, Oedipus.

Grimbright : Sandman, The Sims, most Tycoon games, Eclipse Phase, most of Zeus' flings with mortals (from the gods' perspective).

Nobledark : Berserk, LotR, Starcraft, Dark Sun, Terminator, the Iliad.

Noblebright : Morrowind, D&D/PF (usually), Magi, Warcraft, Star wars, Trine, the Odyssey, and of course, Star Trek.

== Stuff considered NobleBright ==

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! NobleBright
! ...and GrimDark
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| [[Brighthammer_40,000_(2nd_edition)|BrightHammer 40k]] || [[Warhammer_40,000|WarHammer 40k]]
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| [[Exalted]](Well, Zig-zags between the two ) || [[Vampire:_The_Masquerade|Vampire:tM]], [[Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse|Werewolf:tA]] ([[oWoD]])
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| [[Changeling:_The_Dreaming|Changeling:tD]] ([[oWoD]]) || [[Changeling:_The_Lost|Changeling:tL]] ([[nWoD]])
|-
|[[Geist: The Sin-Eaters]] ([[nWoD]]) ||[[ Wraith: The Oblivion]] ([[oWoD]])
|-
|[[D20_Modern|D20 Modern]] || [[Call_of_Cthulhu|Call of Cthulhu]]
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| Special Unit 2 || Delta Green
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| [[Star Trek]] (in general) || Farscape
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| Firefly || Blake's 7
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| Battlestar Galactica || Lexx
|-
| Temeraire Series || [[A Song of Ice and Fire|Game of Thrones]]
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| Sword Art Online: Alfheim Online || Sword Art Online: Gun Gale Online
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| [[Rogue Trader (RPG)|Rogue Trader]] || [[Dark Heresy]]
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| The Wizard of Oz || Soul Eater
|-
| MACROSS (Robotech) || Neon Genesis Evangelion
|-
| [[7th Sea]] || [[Poison'd]]
|-
| Zoids || Gundam
|-
| [[Spirit of the Century]] || [[Don't Rest Your Head]]
|-
| [[Traveller]] || [[Eclipse Phase]]
|-
| [[Dragonlance]] || [[Dark Sun]]
|-
| [[Avatar: The Last Airbender|Avatar]] (not [[Avatar|Cameron's furfic)]] || Kaze no Stigma
|-
| [[Warcraft]] || [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle|Warhammer Fantasy Battle]]
|-
| [[Magic the gathering|Alara]], [[Theros]], [[Lorwyn]] || [[Innistrad]], [[Phyrexia|New Phyrexia]], [[Shadowmoor]]
|-
| [[Neverwinter Nights]] || Dragon Age
|-
| [[The Elder Scrolls]] (Well, somewhat, if you ignore Kirkbride's EU-thing) || Gothic
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| Final Fantasy || Shin Megami Tensei
|-
| [[Command and Conquer]]: Red Alert series || [[Command and Conquer]]: Tiberium series
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| Animorphs || Terraformars
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| Fate/Stay Night || Fate/Zero
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| [[Starcraft]] II || [[Starcraft|Starcraft: Brood War]]
|-
| [[Diablo]] III || [[Diablo]] I & II
|-
| Grand Theft Auto 1 || Saints Row 1
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| Saints Row 3 || Grand Theft Auto 4
|-
| Fable III || [[Dark Souls]]
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| Kid Icarus || God of War
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| Mass Effect 1 || Mass Effect 3
|-
| Mass Effect universe || [[Setting:Halo|Halo universe]] (especially the Forerunner Trilogy)
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| [[Setting:Halo|Halo universe]] || Dead Space universe
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| Spore || Darkspore
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| Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann || Getter Robo Armageddon
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| Rebuild of Evangelion || The Vision of Escaflowne
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| Neo-Hunter Casshern || Casshern Sins
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| Mai-Otome || Mai-Hime (last 10 episodes at least)
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| Cardcaptor Sakura || Puella Magi Madoka Magica
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| Power Rangers in General || Power Rangers RPM
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| Super Sentai || Kamen Rider (especially the Showa Era ones)
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| Kamen Rider (most Heisei Era ones) || GARO
|-
| Batman: the Brave & the Bold || Batman: TAS (first two seasons only)
|-
| [[Star Wars RPG|Star Wars Episode I, IV, VI, Star Wars: The Clone Wars Movie and Season 1, and a decent portion of the Expanded Universe]] || [[Star Wars D20|Star Wars Episode II, III, V, Star Wars: The Clone Wars from Season 2 onwards, and the other half the Expanded Universe]]
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| Little House on the Prairie || Deadwood
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| Full House || Married With Children
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| The Green Zone || The Hurt Locker
|-
| The Sarah Jane Adventures || [[Doctor Who|Torchwood]]
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| ''Pirates of the Caribbean'' || ''Risen 2: Dark Waters''
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| Justice || Watchmen
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| Twilight Saga || Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
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| ''Lois and Clark'' || ''Man of Steel''
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| Planetary || The Authority
|-
| Cyanide and Happiness || [http://picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=132 pictures for sad children]
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| The Silver Age of Comic Books || The Dark Age of Comic Books
|-
| [[Steampunk|Steampunk Genre]] || [[Cyberpunk|Cyberpunk Genre]]
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| Raspberry Pi || OpenPandora
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| South Korea || North Korea
|-
| Discworld || [[A Song of Ice and Fire]]
|-
| A Wizard of Earthsea || The Tombs of Atuan
|-
| Mega Man (Classic, Legends, Battle Network, ZX, Star Forces 1 and 2)|| Mega Man (X, Zero, Star Force 3,) The Protomen
|-
| The Chronicles of Narnia|| His Dark Materials
|-
| Just Cause 2 || Spec Ops: The Line
|-
| Plants VS Zombies || The Last of Us
|-
| Mirror's Edge || Assassin's Creed
|-
| Iron Kingdoms MKii || Iron Kingdoms MKi
|-
| Marvel Comics films || DC Universe films
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| Warehouse 13 || The SCP Foundation
|-
| [[Eberron]] || [[Dragonmech]]
|-
| [[Planescape]] || [[Ravenloft]]
|-
| InFamous || Prototype
|-
| Harry Potter 1-3 || Harry Potter 4-7 (ESPECIALLY 7th)
|-
| Deus Ex 0-2 || System Shock 1-2
|-
| RoboCop || Terminator
|-
| Homeworld 1 and 2 || Homeworld: Cataclysm (when the Beast make their first appearance)
|-
| [[Fist of the North Star]] || Violence Jack
|-
| The Simpsons || South Park
|-
| The Glaive || Conan the Barbarian
|-
| The Hobbit || The Silmarillion
|-
| [[Mordheim]] || [[Malifaux]]
|-
| Civilization:Beyond Earth || [[Alpha Centauri]]
|-
| [[The New Testament]] || [[The Old Testament]]
|-
| Overwatch || [[Team Fortress 2]] (Especially Mann vs. Machine)
|-
| [[Team Fortress 2]] || Team Fortress Classic
|-
| Ghostbusters films and Real Ghostbusters || | Extreme Ghostbusters
|-
| Metal Gear (in general) || | Metal Gear Solid V
|-
| Girls und Panzer || World of Tanks
|-
| Far Cry 1 || | Far Cry 2 and 3
|-
| Overstrike || | Fuse
|-
| Digimon Adventure || | Digimon Tamers
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|Fallout series || | S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series
|-
|S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series || | Metro 2033 and Metro Last Light
|-
|Metro 2033 and Metro Last Light || | Metro 2033 (novel), Metro 2034 (novel), and Metro 2035 (novel)
|-
|[[Approved anime|Slayers]] || | Bastard!!
|-
| Dark Souls 2 || | Dark Souls
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| Fast And Furious || | Death Race
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| Super Robot anime|| | Real Robot Anime

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[[Category:Brighthammer]]

Grimdark

2016-01-19T08:37:43Z

2601:147:4200:10E:6491:5F57:7E0:B17B: /* Grimderp */

[[Image:Lovepeace.png|thumb|right|It's totally the opposite of this.]][[Image:Inspector Grimgadget.jpg|thumb|right|Inspector Gadget, reimagined with a grimdark feel.]][[Image:Grimdark.jpg|thumb|right| Grimdark versions, of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.]]'''Grimdark''' is an adjective derived from the tagline for [[Warhammer 40k]], which states that "In the '''grim darkness''' of the far future, there is only war." It is generally used to describe a dilapidated, dystopian "crapsack world" setting which it would really suck to live in, as say Somalia, North Korea, or the setting of Warhammer 40k itself (in fairness, this is because the published material primarily focuses on war and cults and other horrible things; there are supposed to be many pleasant and peaceful worlds and sectors in the Imperium, but they are mostly ignored as they are boring -- and when they do appear in lore or stories, they're about to go from 0 to fucked very, very soon. Unless, of course, we're talking about planets in the Macragge system. Goddamned [[Ultramarines]]). It can also be used to describe artwork that has a grimdark feel, even if the setting itself would not normally be considered grim or dark, or something sinister or uncommonly threatening/intimidating in real-life.

Being grimdark can be taken to extremes; depending on your own personal tolerances for grim darkness, there is a point at which it becomes more ridiculous than anything else because everything is indefeasibly tragic all the time. This is an accusation often levelled at Warhammer itself, and leads some to rail against "Grimdark" as a whole, decrying the concept as ridiculous attempts at edginess (typically by teenagers), and using the expression to refer solely to such over-the-top settings in a strictly pejorative manner. Others actually embrace this ridiculousness (recall especially that Warhammer 40K was, [[Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader|in early editions]], a much more obviously comedic setting) and run with it, insisting that the detractors who take it seriously (or the ''creators'' who take it seriously) are making a mistake. This schism is mostly visible with races such as the Tau in Warhammer, who are noticeably less grimdark than most of the other races and are either loved or absolutely hated for it; when grimdark is involved, there isn't a lot of room for middle ground. Meanwhile, another sizable percentage instead postulate that Grimdarkness lends greater moral and ethical complexity to a setting (based on the fallacy that darkness always equals depth). Such people usually cite the works of Dan Abnett and many other Warhammer 40K writers to lend credence to such suppositions (these people are clearly ignoring that fact that most writers tone the grimdark WAY down, what, you didn't think that fact that the Imperium being an effective government, civilians having normal happy lives on par with the US, Commissars who never *BLAM* their troops was odd?). Needless to say, grimdark is a rather [[Skub|polarizing subject]].

The polar opposite of grimdark is [[Noblebright]], a deliberate inversion of grim and dark nature where honour, happiness, and high adventure rule the day, as opposed to dying in a ditch from a supernatural plague as you run out of potable water and can no longer wait for the logistics department to process your dead comrades into something slightly more palatable before you start eating them. Oh, and being {{BLAM}}ed by a Commissar

'''Common grimdark themes include:'''
*[[1984|Massive, imperialist, overbearing, bureaucratic, dystopian dictatorships]]; e.g. [[Imperium|Nazi Germany clones]], [[Tau|USSR clones and anything communistic really]], or straight out examples of [[Paranoia|"Big Brother is watching you"]].
*Constant, never ever-ending warfare. Just like in real life.
*Horrifyingly large death tolls are perfectly normal. Just like in real life.
*Everyone is racist towards non-humans/[[Eldar|elves]]/[[Mutant|Mutants]]/[[Orks|fungus]]/[[Rak'gol|lizards]]/[[Necrons|robots]]/[[Tyranids|aliens]]/[[Chaos|each other]]. Just like in real life.
*The vast majority are poor people who literally live in shit, dung, crime, and a plethora of [[Nurgle|all kinds of filthy diseases]], except for a [[Monopoly|few greedy upper 1% who own 99.9% of everything]]. Just like in real life.
*Want cancer treatment? Well you have to make drugs with old dropout student of yours in order to pay. Just like in real life.
*You, a poor bastard, are being farmed for shoots and giggles by said few greedy upper 1%. Just like in real life.
*There ain't any poverty in fact; the poor had been tortured to extinction aeons ago. As a result, you have to survive the sentient 4D concentration camp and hordes of African shadow zombies.
*Chronic backstabbing. Just like in real life relationships.
*Child Soldiers. Just like in real life.
*[[Judge Dredd|Police]] [[Adeptus Arbites|brutality]]. Just like in real life.
*[[Inquisition|Spanish Inquisition clones]].
*Torture. Just like in real life.
*Surgery without Anaesthesia. As well as other heavy metal references.
*Zombie plagues. Just like in Haiti.
*[[Cyberpunk|Cybernetics and cyborgs]]; the less human, the better.
*[[Call of Cthulhu|Sanity checks.]]
*Criminally insane delusional psychotics tortured in filthy mental asylums (in case of no SAN checks).
*[[H.P. Lovecraft|Disgusting, horrifying, tentacled eldritch abominations]] (often the cause of aforementioned criminal insanity).
*Rape. Just like in real life. ([[Anime|And often by said]] [[/d/|disgusting, horrifying, tentacled eldritch abominations]])
*Massive amounts of blood, gore, guts, pain and hatred. Just like in real life.
*Anti-intellectualism. Just like in real life.
*Nihilism. Just like in real life.
*Ritual cult sacrifices.Double Xp if the people being sacrificed are innocent.
*Gothic/Emo aesthetics. The easiest way to do this is to have tons of decorative skulls.
*There are no "good guys"; everyone's a jerk, including you. ''Especially you.'' Just like in real life. [[Tau|The guys everyone refer to be "good" or "nice"]] are actually just ''the least'' evil bunch, and would still make your average high fantasy/sky-fi archvilains look like saints in comparison.
*Correction,[[Lamenters|The REAL good guys are the (usally) mostly hated,and they are going to get FUCKED beyond human recognition.]]
*[[Salamanders|Than again, they might be too small to make much of a difference.]]
*Everyone will most likely die in the end. Just like in real life. Especially the ones important to and including the main character.
*Always polluted, never sunny. Just like in Tianjin, China.
*No ice cream. Unless it's AIDS-flavoured.
*[[Commissar|*BLAM*]].
*Death or suicide will only make things much, much worse in [[H.P. Lovecraft|Lovecraftian]] levels as a hive of disgusting, incomprehensibly evil supernatural daemons are waiting there to eternally torment your un-life and roast your soul alive day and night forever and ever, again and again and again and again, especially if you are intelligent.
*Tremendous potential for offensive/dark comedy/lulz. Just like in real life.
*And if you ever, EVER try to change this shitty world or try to help one person just a little, you will be the first to be tortured by the Evil Supernatural Abominations' Latest Horror Devices.
*Life sucks.
*There's only war.
*You're probably going to get eaten by Tyranids.
*Have fun.

== Stuff considered Grimdark ==
[[File:Tyrus.jpg|200px|thumb|A world where the only way to beat grimdark is by introducing something even grimmer and darker]]
*[[Warhammer 40,000]] (Naturally)
*[[Dwarf Fortress]]
*[[End of War]]
*[[1984]]
*[[Paranoia]] (though used for parodying 1984)
*Many stories in the Tragedy genre
*[[RIFTS]]
*[[Blame!]]
*[[Berserk]]
*[[Kingdom Death]](Makes 40k's setting seem pleasant and cheerful)
*Eastenders (especially at Christmas)
*[[Grimdark Songwriting]]
*[[Don't Rest Your Head]]
* SLA Industries
*[[Pokemon Tabletop Adventures]] (though optional)
*[[World of Darkness]]
*[[CthulhuTech]] (just about anything based on Lovecraft, such as [[Call of Cthulhu]], will be grimdark)
*[[Exalted]] (If playing mortals).
* Neon Genesis Evangelion. Especially the movie.
*[[Monopoly]]
*[[Midnight]] setting for D&D
*[[FATAL]]
*[[Rebecca Black]]
*I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream: The Game (just the title itself should give you a clue on how horrorific the game is)
*<s>The Medieval Dark Ages where Warhammer 40000 was originally based on.</s> If you disregard China that is.
*The Witcher (racism, genocides, dozens of monsters that want to eat Your face whenever You enter the random forest. Or cave. Or ruins. The third installment of the video game adaptation even features a medieval Hitler running the [[Inquisition|Witch Hunters]], a fanatical order of racist scumbags dedicated to wiping out both mages and non-humans in the name of the Eternal Fire)
*[[Dark Souls]] (the entire world is '''DYING'''. That is all you should probably need to know, if you want to be specific then in the setting, most of the population are undead, you die constantly, and you have to fight enemies larger and filthier than you are, [[Heresy|including a naked bitch with a spider vagina]]. Also, [[Extra_Heresy|FAKE TITS]]. Again, one of those series that makes WH40K look like a sweet stroll in the park in comparison)
*Gears of War (decades of civil war, genocide and WMD has turned your home planet into a quasi-dead world, the human race is close to extinction, women are reduced to birthing machines, your government is a uncaring fascist scumbag, the weather rains razor ice that could cut you into ribbons, your fighting a never ending war with genocidal monsters and the world is literally dying from super fuel.)
* Hellgate London
* Most of David Bowie's songs about 1990.
* The first two Hellraiser movies and also Event Horizon.
* [[Cyberpunk 2020]]
* Hellsing... just all of Hellsing...
* Bioshock (Definitely Bioshock Infinite, though it comes hidden behind a smiling facade of barbershop singing and the Fourth of July)
* Anything from the Xeelee Sequence
** The <s>Coalition of Man</s> Interim Coalition of Governance for example, is such a grim-ridden shit-hole that they make the Imperium of Man look like pussies filled with sun-shine and rainbows in comparison, infact they are so Grimdark that they would make even the [[Adeptus Custodes|Adeptus Custodes]] shit themselves in collateral fear.
* North Korea which is essentially [[1984|"Real Life Oceania"]]
* The Goon comic series by Eric Powell (because circus hillbillies, werewolves with midget hand phobias, and the Zombie Priest are the least of it all).
* [[Children of Men]] (a future where humans are no longer fertile and going extinct. Someone finds a pregnant woman and nearly everyone in the world fights over her)
* A Song of Ice and Fire: Good guys never win or screw up monumentally, the only people who get ahead are amorally manipulative assholes and everyone is going to be massacred and enslaved by the evil ice elf necromancers at the end. And if they somehow survive another war for the Iron Throne will happen after the winner gets their revenge-boner satisfied and their kids clean up after their wankstains.
* Dishonored - Grimdark, and steampunk. Only in the "Kill fucking everyone" ending though.
* XCom (The remake, and the original, as a parody of the G.I. Joe Badass stereo type, you're struggling with funding and even your gods in human form, some of whom make certain chapters of Astartes weep, can get fucked over by Sectoids!)
* Madoka Magica
* [[Adventure Time]]'s backstory.
* Everything from H.P Lovecraft and the Cthulhu Mythos
* Path of Exile
* Spec Ops: The Line
* Original fairy tales (hansel and gretel, for example)
* Alien (as in the biomechanical, parasitic, acid-blooded brainchild of Ridley Scott and the late H.R. Giger)
* [[Halo]] (the setting of Halo is one grand scale of a Cosmic Horror Story centered around absolute hopelessness and bleakness of a Universe governed by hyper malevolent gods. Our good guys, the UNSC? Well it's a semi-authoritarian 'Big Brother is Watching You', fascistic style government that have no qualms in dumping a barrage of nukes on a civilian population if rebellion is sighted, the UNSC also have no problems dicking over their only alien 'friends' just so it could benefit humanity while also bogged down in political quagmire. The Covenant are ''much, much worse'' while anything from the Forerunner trilogy is just a high concoction of Nightmare Fuel inside a depressing milkshake. Oh, and the hero of the setting, Master Chief? No matter how many victories he achieves, he is always losing his friends and loved ones.)
* [[Battletech]]
* Attack on Titan (You cannot win, ever. And if you do, you've probably lost all your friends, who've been eaten by giant freaky humans, who don't even need food. Yeeeah)
* Metro series (In both books and games series, but mostly in the books,where the last know humans are hiding in underground, and when are not trying to kill each other out, the are fighting the endless hordes of [[Mutant|Mutants]] [[/b/| and worse]]. Also lets not forget that if your are one of the stalkers, the few brave getting in the surface to [[Blod Rehvens|loot]] anything the can find, you are risking to get nom nomed by [[Tyranid|flying deamons]].And that is the tip of the iceberg).
*Madness combat.
* LISA the RPG.
*The darkness videogames.
*the first two Hyperion books.
*Elfen lied (The next step of the evolution of mankind is schizoprenic homicidal mutant girls with invisible tentacle hands and a temper to kill anyone with the worst way posible or even worse, [[Genestealer|to infect you with their gene so you can make more of these.]])
*Most of Stephen King's works.
*Crossed (Most of the world is dead or turned into [[Slaanesh| murder-raping sadists]] ala the Reavers from Firefly, showing courage will get you killed or turned into one of the aforementioned murder-rapists and there are survivors that are just as fucked up as the infectees.)
*S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (You travel in a desolate landscape, filled with mutants in all the horrific varieties, failed science projects (curtesy of the USSR), anomalies that you often can't see and kill you instantly and a lot of renegades/bandits/fanatics/zombies. Your gear breaks all the time, resources are scarce and your goal is to get to the highly dangerous Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. Why is the Nuclear Power Plant dangerous? Because it blew the fuck up back in the 80's [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster in real life no less] and is protected by lots of fanatics with the best gear you can get. If you make it through that hellish place that is The Zone, you'll most likely get one of the 5 really grimdark endings and if you payed a lot of attention to certain seemingly useless items along the way, you may get one of the other two endings which are also grimdark. The Rest of the world also largely ignores whats happening inside The Zone, aside from a few scientists that study the deadly phenomena and the Ukrainian military that maintains a cordon around The Zone so the nasty stuff doesn't get out.)

== Grimderp ==
Grimderp is what happens when a writer takes Grimdark so far that it goes [[DERP]]. The writer puts something in that makes the setting more Grimdark but it's reliant on a party/parties [[Fail|being epicly stupid]] or caused by a lack of forethought on the implications of how the element interacts with the world.

* [[My Little Pony|Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons]] - A fanfiction about magical ponies so grim, dark, and derp that it would almost be comical if it wasn't so fucking horrifying. With characters that get shit on (both figuratively and literally) more than the [[Lamenters]], and with a world so bleak (and missing the point of Fallout, FiM, ''and'' the original Fallout Equestria) that an heroing <s>seems like</s> WOULD ACTUALLY BE the happiest ending <s>(Assuming it will end, it probably never will as long as there's enough cybernetics to keep rebuilding the constantly-dying protagonist)</s> HOLY SHIT IT ACTUALLY ENDED!
* Speaking of fanfics, 90% of all grimdark fics are Grimderp since writers are under the impression that just making things Dark makes it good writing. There are exceptions, but they are rare. On the flip side, however, [[DOOM: Repercussions of Evil|certain examples]] have reached the apotheosis of Grimderp and become gut-bustingly hilarious.
* Jeph Loeb's run on Ultimate Marvel: people dying brutally (most well known being Wasp getting eaten by the Blob) and completely gratuitously (Dr. Strange is killed the one page he shows up on and is completely forgotten afterwards), lore rape worst than anything Ward ever did (the heroic Pyro is now a rapist version of the mainline Marvel Pyro with no explanation, Thor going from new age hippie to mainline-style viking with no explanation... at least that last one is kinda cool). Overall it was so bad it effectively made the Ultimate Marvel universe (with the exception of Spider-Man and his cast) completely unusable. Small wonder that years later, Marvel thought smashing it and the main Marvel universe together would be a good idea.
* Warhammer 40,000 gets called-out as this by some. Certainly it's a valid criticism of certain parts, but you could argue about what is and is not grimderp in 40k for weeks without conclusion.
* Many long runner Grimdark works will become Grimderp sooner or later, due to people getting bored as they feel nothing ever goes anywhere and stop rooting for the character since there's no point. See the above two-million-word-long post-apocalyptic pony fanfic.
* Akame Ga Kiru, also known to non-weeaboos as "that Kill la Kill-looking animu that keeps popping up on Netflix". In fact most "dark" anime/manga tend to be more or less Grimderp. As quality standards are quite low in Japan.

== See also ==
*[[Noblebright]]
*[[Edgy]]
*[[Eversor]]
*[[Lamenters]]

== External Links ==
* [http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/grimdark KnowYourMeme has examples from outside of /tg/]

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