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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;2601:147:4200:6280:6104:8112:FFC0:36BE: /* Stuff considered NobleBright */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;NobleBright&#039;&#039;&#039; is an adjective derived from the term often used to describe Warhammer 40k: [[Grimdark|GrimDark]].  Just as every hero has a &amp;quot;mirror opposite&amp;quot; version that is evil, it&#039;s supposed that there must be a mirror opposite version of the heroes of WH40k where everything goes RIGHT. It can also be used to describe artwork that has a noble/bright feel, even if the setting itself would not normally be considered noble or bright.&lt;br /&gt;
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Where the GrimDark tag usually describes a setting in a slow, painful decline, the NobleBright tag usually describes a setting emerging from a dark age and either returning to or in the midst of a golden age.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Canonical Example: WarHammer vs. BrightHammer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This alternate universe&#039;s game, [[BrightHammer40k]], comes with the tagline &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;In the Noble Brightness of the far future, there is only HIGH ADVENTURE!&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;  This is as opposed to the original tagline of Warhammer 40k, which stated, &amp;quot;In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.&amp;quot;  BrightHammer40k&#039;s setting has strong 1920&#039;s-1940&#039;s pulp fiction themes, crossed with an &amp;quot;age of myth&amp;quot; bronze age culture.&lt;br /&gt;
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Differences between WarHammer 40k and BrightHammer 40k include:&lt;br /&gt;
* The setting is loosely divided into city-states united by race, religion, philosophy or just simple common sense, rather than singular empires defined by paranoia.&lt;br /&gt;
* There is a wide variety in the type of characters, nations, flora and fauna, and major characters in the setting.&lt;br /&gt;
* There is an overall &amp;quot;pulp fiction&amp;quot; feel. Just like real life.&lt;br /&gt;
* The universe is old, in the process of rediscovering a forgotten golden age.&lt;br /&gt;
* Low level conflicts such as raiding are considered common, but war is not. Just like Mongolia.&lt;br /&gt;
* Everyone is in a perpetual cold war with everyone else, but almost never an active war.&lt;br /&gt;
* Technology is wildly inconsistent. Just like Alaska.&lt;br /&gt;
* Villains are over the top, campy, and rarely played seriously. Very much like North Korea.&lt;br /&gt;
* Leaders are usually diplomats or wise &amp;quot;philosopher-kings&amp;quot; like in North Korea.&lt;br /&gt;
* Heroes do most of the heavy lifting in society, and there are heroes, great and minor, at every level of society.&lt;br /&gt;
* There is a strong emphasis on individual strength.&lt;br /&gt;
* Good guys can be jerks, but are still good guys.&lt;br /&gt;
* Over the top heroism usually carries the day.&lt;br /&gt;
* Obvious, thinly disguised Secret Agents everywhere.&lt;br /&gt;
* The setting is entering a technological renaissance.&lt;br /&gt;
* Everything is bright or vividly colored.&lt;br /&gt;
* As seen on TV!&lt;br /&gt;
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Compared to Warhammer40k, Brighthammer40k is generally brighter and a nicer place to live, but is by no means peaceful, always in a low level state of conflict, internal and external, never quite turning into war. The skull motif is replaced by wings, and colors are often brighter.&lt;br /&gt;
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==8chan Anon Explains the Grim/Noble and Dark/Bright Spectrum==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Alignments.jpg|300px|thumb|An [[alignment]] chart.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Grim/Noble asks whether there are heroes that exist, may appear to change the world for good or ill.&lt;br /&gt;
** A noble setting isn&#039;t one where everyone is good, more like one where people are active.&lt;br /&gt;
** In a grim world, no matter what you do, an individual can&#039;t secure more than an individual victory, if even that, because the rest of the world is too big/scared/powerless/selfish to act upon his impulse.&lt;br /&gt;
** A noble world is one where the action of a single hero can change the world, and a single big villain can fuck it all up : there are important people, who are so either by birth, rank or sheer willpower, and every single one of these people MATTER.&lt;br /&gt;
** 40k is grim(dark) because it is static: your SM chapter may save planets for a living, but they&#039;ll probably be taken over by Chaos next Tuesday anyways, so why bother? In much the same way, &lt;br /&gt;
** Sandman (Neil Gaiman&#039;s) is grim(bright) : no matter how incredible the things Dream gets to experience are, he is ultimately trapped by the static nature of his existence and that of his companions : he could do anything, and it would all be for nothing. All victories are individual, and usually temporary, affairs.&lt;br /&gt;
* Something like Morrowind or Berserk is noble (bright and dark, respectively) because it is about one man forcing destiny&#039;s hand and changing the world.&lt;br /&gt;
** Now, a bright world is one full of opportunity, of wondrous sights to behold. It doesn&#039;t mean that it has to be MLP, it can be dangerous, but your first instinct when looking at a new location should be awe and wonder: people may adventure to save the world, but they leave town with a smile upon their face, eager to see what comes next. The shadow of Risk is largely erased by the glint of Adventure. In a bright world, it&#039;s quite possible for people to go on adventure just for the hell of it, since the journey is it&#039;s own reward. Resurrection, or at least means to heal grave injuries, are usually accessible, to counterbalance the fact that the risks out there are real.&lt;br /&gt;
** A dark world is one where life sucks, and usually not long: whether it be because of demon overlords &#039;nids or even the lack of water, everyone in this story may die, and they die for good. If you lose an arm, you play a cripple. In the extreme cases, even when you win a fight, your career is over (gangrene etc…). That means that, even though people may be ready to help (noble), people will need a good reason to do so, since stepping out of line is so dangerous.&lt;br /&gt;
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40k is (grim)dark because, no matter where you go, there is only war, and heroism&#039;s only reward is usually a notch on a gun or a corpse in a trench. No matter who you are, most of the galaxy probably wants you dead, and staying home today is the best choice you can make. Also, even if you make it to the end, you may have to sacrifice everything to save everyone, if you haven&#039;t already done so. Berserk is (noble)dark because, while there seems to be light at the end of the tunnel, it takes men and women of insane willpower to get there : no matter whether you are big or small, even when you have nothing, the only thing that may save the world is that will in you that says &amp;quot;go on !&amp;quot; And if hope was to fails, you&#039;d get a book-long bloodbath-orgy, and all it&#039;s consequences afterwards.&lt;br /&gt;
Morrowind is (noble)bright because, even though the world is fraught with dangers, there is so much to see, so many interesting people to meet, so many cool things to experience that, at the end of the road, you&#039;d do it all over again if given the chance to see it once again with virgin eyes. Sandman is (grim)bright because the incredible vistas and interesting people are all that can distract Dream from the dullness of his existence. He will tire of them all, but even him has to admit that he saw some cool shit. Also, notice how the relative freedom from consequences (people can get somewhat rezzed/healed/characters don&#039;t die much), a bright trait, reinforces the futility of the struggle in a grim world.&lt;br /&gt;
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In short, grimdark and noblebright worlds both exist, and both are interesting to play in. So do grimbright (those are quite weird, I admit) and nobledark (my favorite : victory is so much sweeter when you have to fight for it). Every type allows for evil and struggles to exist, and for stories to be told. Evil can even triumph : it&#039;s less of a matter of who wins, and more of a matter of tone. In a bright world, the BBEG can win, but he won&#039;t skullfuck everyone the PCs know in front of a crowd without the mood turning to dark.&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ll leave you with some examples :&lt;br /&gt;
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Grimdark : WHFB, W40K, Game of Thrones, Oedipus ,E.Y.E Divine Cybermancy.&lt;br /&gt;
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Grimbright : Sandman, The Sims, most Tycoon games, The Commonwealth Saga, Eclipse Phase, most of Zeus&#039; flings with mortals (from the gods&#039; perspective).&lt;br /&gt;
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Nobledark : Berserk, LotR, Starcraft, Dark Sun, Terminator, Fallout, the Iliad.&lt;br /&gt;
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Noblebright : Morrowind, D&amp;amp;D/PF (usually), Magi, Warcraft, Star wars, Trine, the Odyssey, and of course, Star Trek.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Stuff considered NobleBright ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{|border=1 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=0&lt;br /&gt;
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! NobleBright&lt;br /&gt;
! ...and GrimDark&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Brighthammer_40,000_(2nd_edition)|BrightHammer 40k]] OR [[Age of Sigmar]] || [[Warhammer_40,000|WarHammer 40k]] before 8th ED&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Warhammer_40,000|WarHammer 40k]] 8th ED, but more like Nobledark || [[Xeelee Sequence|Xeelee universe]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Exalted]](Well, Zig-zags between the two ) || [[Vampire:_The_Masquerade|Vampire:tM]], [[Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse|Werewolf:tA]] ([[oWoD]])&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Changeling:_The_Dreaming|Changeling:tD]] ([[oWoD]]) || [[Changeling:_The_Lost|Changeling:tL]] ([[nWoD]])&lt;br /&gt;
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|[[Geist: The Sin-Eaters]] ([[nWoD]]) ||[[ Wraith: The Oblivion]] ([[oWoD]])&lt;br /&gt;
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|[[D20_Modern|D20 Modern]] || [[Call_of_Cthulhu|Call of Cthulhu]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Special Unit 2 || Delta Green&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Star Trek]] (in general) || Babylon 5 (closer to Nobledark)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Andromeda Ascendant || Farscape&lt;br /&gt;
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| Stargate SG-1 || The First Wave&lt;br /&gt;
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| Firefly || Blake&#039;s 7&lt;br /&gt;
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| Battlestar Galactica (1978) || Battlestar Galactica (2004)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Temeraire Series || [[A Song of Ice and Fire|Game of Thrones]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Robocop || Judge Dredd&lt;br /&gt;
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| Sword Art Online: Alfheim Online || Sword Art Online: Gun Gale Online&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Rogue Trader (RPG)|Rogue Trader]] || [[Dark Heresy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Wizard of Oz || Soul Eater&lt;br /&gt;
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| MACROSS (Robotech) || Neon Genesis Evangelion&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[7th Sea]] || [[Poison&#039;d]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Zoids || Gundam&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Spirit of the Century]] || [[Don&#039;t Rest Your Head]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Traveller]] || [[Eclipse Phase]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Dragonlance]] || [[Dark Sun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Avatar: The Last Airbender|Avatar]] (not [[Avatar|Cameron&#039;s furfic)]] || Kaze no Stigma&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Warcraft]] || [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle|Warhammer Fantasy Battle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Magic the gathering|Alara]], [[Theros]], [[Lorwyn]] || [[Innistrad]], [[Phyrexia|New Phyrexia]], [[Shadowmoor]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Neverwinter Nights]] || Dragon Age&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Elder Scrolls]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;(Well, somewhat, if you ignore Kirkbride&#039;s EU-thing) || Gothic&lt;br /&gt;
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| Final Fantasy || Megami Tensei&lt;br /&gt;
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| Persona || Shin Megami Tensei &lt;br /&gt;
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| Persona 4 || Persona 3&lt;br /&gt;
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| Red Alert 3 || Red Alert 2 &lt;br /&gt;
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| Red Alert 2 || Red Alert&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Command and Conquer]]: Red Alert series || [[Command and Conquer]]: Tiberium series&lt;br /&gt;
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| Animorphs || Terraformars&lt;br /&gt;
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| Fate/Stay Night || Fate/Zero&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Starcraft]] II || [[Starcraft|Starcraft: Brood War]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Diablo]] III || [[Diablo]] I &amp;amp; II&lt;br /&gt;
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| Grand Theft Auto 1 || Saints Row 1&lt;br /&gt;
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| Saints Row 3 || Grand Theft Auto 4&lt;br /&gt;
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| Fable III || [[Dark Souls]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Undertale || LISA&lt;br /&gt;
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| Kid Icarus || God of War&lt;br /&gt;
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| Mass Effect 1 || Mass Effect 3&lt;br /&gt;
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| Mass Effect universe || [[Setting:Halo|Halo universe]] &lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Setting:Halo|Halo universe]] || Dead Space universe&lt;br /&gt;
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| Dead Space universe || Halo: Forerunner Trilogy&lt;br /&gt;
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| Spore || Darkspore&lt;br /&gt;
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| Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann || Getter Robo Armageddon&lt;br /&gt;
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| Rebuild of Evangelion || Neon Genesis Evangelion OR The Vision of Escaflowne&lt;br /&gt;
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| Neo-Hunter Casshern || Casshern Sins &lt;br /&gt;
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| Mai-Otome || Mai-Hime (last 10 episodes at least)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Cardcaptor Sakura || Puella Magi Madoka Magica&lt;br /&gt;
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| Power Rangers in General || Power Rangers RPM&lt;br /&gt;
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| Super Sentai || Kamen Rider (especially the Showa Era ones)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Kamen Rider (most Heisei Era ones) || GARO&lt;br /&gt;
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| Batman: the Brave &amp;amp; the Bold || Batman: TAS (first two seasons only)&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Star Wars RPG|Star Wars Episode I, IV, VI,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Star Wars: The Clone Wars Movie and Season 1,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and a decent portion of the Expanded Universe]] || [[Star Wars D20|Star Wars Episode II, III, V, VII,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Star Wars: The Clone Wars from Season 2 onwards,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and the other half the Expanded Universe, especially The New Jedi Order and Legacy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Little House on the Prairie  || Deadwood&lt;br /&gt;
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| Full House || Married With Children&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Green Zone || The Hurt Locker&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Sarah Jane Adventures || [[Doctor Who|Torchwood]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| &#039;&#039;Pirates of the Caribbean&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;Risen 2: Dark Waters&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| Justice || Watchmen&lt;br /&gt;
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| Twilight Saga || Buffy: The Vampire Slayer&lt;br /&gt;
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| &#039;&#039;Lois and Clark&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;Man of Steel&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| Planetary || The Authority&lt;br /&gt;
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| Cyanide and Happiness || [http://picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=132 pictures for sad children]&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Silver Age of Comic Books || The Dark Age of Comic Books&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Steampunk|Steampunk Genre]] || [[Cyberpunk|Cyberpunk Genre]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Raspberry Pi || OpenPandora&lt;br /&gt;
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| South Korea || &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;North&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; BEST Korea&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Discworld]] || [[A Song of Ice and Fire]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| A Wizard of Earthsea || The Tombs of Atuan&lt;br /&gt;
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| Mega Man (Classic, Legends, Battle Network,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;ZX, Star Forces 1 and 2)|| Mega Man (X, Zero, Star Force 3,) The Protomen&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Chronicles of Narnia|| His Dark Materials&lt;br /&gt;
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| Just Cause 2 || Spec Ops: The Line&lt;br /&gt;
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| Plants VS Zombies || The Last of Us&lt;br /&gt;
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| Mirror&#039;s Edge || Assassin&#039;s Creed&lt;br /&gt;
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| Iron Kingdoms MKii || Iron Kingdoms MKi&lt;br /&gt;
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| Marvel Comics films || [[Grimdark#Grimderp|DC Universe films]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| DC comics || Marvel comics&lt;br /&gt;
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| Marvel comics || Watchmen comics&lt;br /&gt;
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| Watchmen comics || Wanted comics&lt;br /&gt;
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| Warehouse 13 || The SCP Foundation&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Eberron]] || [[Dragonmech]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Planescape]] || [[Ravenloft]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Wilderlands of High Fantasy]]|| | [[Forgotten Realms]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| InFamous || Prototype&lt;br /&gt;
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| Harry Potter 1-3 || Harry Potter 4-7 (ESPECIALLY 7th)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Deus Ex 0-2 || System Shock 1-2&lt;br /&gt;
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| RoboCop || Terminator&lt;br /&gt;
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| Homeworld 1 and 2 || Homeworld: Cataclysm&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;(when the Beast make their first appearance)&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Fist of the North Star]] || Violence Jack&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Simpsons || South Park&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Glaive || Conan the Barbarian&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Hobbit || The Children of Hurin&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Mordheim]] || [[Malifaux]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Civilization:Beyond Earth || [[Alpha Centauri]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The New Testament]]  || [[The Old Testament]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Overwatch || [[Team Fortress 2]] (Especially Mann vs. Machine)&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Team Fortress 2]] || Team Fortress Classic&lt;br /&gt;
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| Ghostbusters films and Real Ghostbusters || | Extreme Ghostbusters&lt;br /&gt;
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| Metal Gear (in general) || | Metal Gear Solid V&lt;br /&gt;
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| Girls und Panzer || Panzerfraulein Alteseisen &lt;br /&gt;
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| Far Cry 1 || | Far Cry 2 and 3&lt;br /&gt;
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| Overstrike || | Fuse&lt;br /&gt;
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| Pokemon Franchise || Digimon Franchise&lt;br /&gt;
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| Digimon Adventure || | Digimon Tamers&lt;br /&gt;
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|Fallout series || | S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series&lt;br /&gt;
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|S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series || | Metro 2033 and Metro Last Light&lt;br /&gt;
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|Metro 2033 and Metro Last Light || | Metro 2033 (novel), Metro 2034 (novel),&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and Metro 2035 (novel) &lt;br /&gt;
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|[[Approved anime|Slayers]] || | Bastard!!&lt;br /&gt;
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| Fast And Furious || | Death Race&lt;br /&gt;
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| Death Race || | Mad Max&lt;br /&gt;
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| Twilight || | Underworld&lt;br /&gt;
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| Y:the last man  || | Chlidren of men &lt;br /&gt;
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| Battlefield Bad Company || | Call of Duty Modern Warfare trilogy&lt;br /&gt;
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| Dead Rising series || | Left 4 Dead series&lt;br /&gt;
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| Left 4 Dead series || | Dead Island series&lt;br /&gt;
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| Dead Island series || | World War Z movie&lt;br /&gt;
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| World War Z Movie || | World War Z novel&lt;br /&gt;
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| World War Z Novel || |  The Walking Dead comics &lt;br /&gt;
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| Super Robot anime|| | Real Robot anime&lt;br /&gt;
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| Real Robot anime|| | WAT Robot anime&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Go-Betweens|| | The Birthday Party/Nick Cave &amp;amp; The Bad Seeds&lt;br /&gt;
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| League of Legends|| | Dota 2&lt;br /&gt;
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| Rome: Total War|| | Total War: Attila&lt;br /&gt;
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| Freespace || | Freespace 2&lt;br /&gt;
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| Street Fighter franchise || | Mortal Kombat franchise&lt;br /&gt;
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| Star Wars Jedi: Outcast duology || | Star Wars: Battlefront 1 &amp;amp; 2 &lt;br /&gt;
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| Minecraft || | 7 Days to Die&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Blood Diamond || | Lord of War &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Casa de mi Padre || | Sicario&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| GammaWorld || | The Mutant Epoch&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| Konosuba || Re:Zero&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| Log Horizon || Overlord&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| This Means War || Savages&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Brave New World || [[1984]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Sailor Moon (old censored american dub) || Sailor Moon (original version)&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Sailor Moon (original version) || Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Egan&#039;s Diaspora || | Dukaj&#039;s Perfect Imperfection&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Touhou Project || Crimzon Clover&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Green, Blue, Indigo, Violet, and White Lantern Corps || Red, Orange, Yellow, Black, and Grey Lantern Corps&lt;br /&gt;
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| Pod Save America || Chapo Trap House&lt;br /&gt;
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| Jimmy Neutron || Rick and Morty&lt;br /&gt;
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| World War II: Western Front || World War II: Eastern Front&lt;br /&gt;
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| Soren Kierkegaard || Friedrich Nietzsche&lt;br /&gt;
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| Jean-Jacques Rousseau || Thomas Hobbes&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Death Korps of Krieg]] || [[Xeelee_Sequence#Interim_Coalition_of_Governance|Interim Coalition of Governance]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Brighthammer]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Noblebright</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;2601:147:4200:6280:6104:8112:FFC0:36BE: added grimderp to DC movies because its a fucking mess&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;NobleBright&#039;&#039;&#039; is an adjective derived from the term often used to describe Warhammer 40k: [[Grimdark|GrimDark]].  Just as every hero has a &amp;quot;mirror opposite&amp;quot; version that is evil, it&#039;s supposed that there must be a mirror opposite version of the heroes of WH40k where everything goes RIGHT. It can also be used to describe artwork that has a noble/bright feel, even if the setting itself would not normally be considered noble or bright.&lt;br /&gt;
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Where the GrimDark tag usually describes a setting in a slow, painful decline, the NobleBright tag usually describes a setting emerging from a dark age and either returning to or in the midst of a golden age.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Canonical Example: WarHammer vs. BrightHammer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This alternate universe&#039;s game, [[BrightHammer40k]], comes with the tagline &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;In the Noble Brightness of the far future, there is only HIGH ADVENTURE!&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;  This is as opposed to the original tagline of Warhammer 40k, which stated, &amp;quot;In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.&amp;quot;  BrightHammer40k&#039;s setting has strong 1920&#039;s-1940&#039;s pulp fiction themes, crossed with an &amp;quot;age of myth&amp;quot; bronze age culture.&lt;br /&gt;
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Differences between WarHammer 40k and BrightHammer 40k include:&lt;br /&gt;
* The setting is loosely divided into city-states united by race, religion, philosophy or just simple common sense, rather than singular empires defined by paranoia.&lt;br /&gt;
* There is a wide variety in the type of characters, nations, flora and fauna, and major characters in the setting.&lt;br /&gt;
* There is an overall &amp;quot;pulp fiction&amp;quot; feel. Just like real life.&lt;br /&gt;
* The universe is old, in the process of rediscovering a forgotten golden age.&lt;br /&gt;
* Low level conflicts such as raiding are considered common, but war is not. Just like Mongolia.&lt;br /&gt;
* Everyone is in a perpetual cold war with everyone else, but almost never an active war.&lt;br /&gt;
* Technology is wildly inconsistent. Just like Alaska.&lt;br /&gt;
* Villains are over the top, campy, and rarely played seriously. Very much like North Korea.&lt;br /&gt;
* Leaders are usually diplomats or wise &amp;quot;philosopher-kings&amp;quot; like in North Korea.&lt;br /&gt;
* Heroes do most of the heavy lifting in society, and there are heroes, great and minor, at every level of society.&lt;br /&gt;
* There is a strong emphasis on individual strength.&lt;br /&gt;
* Good guys can be jerks, but are still good guys.&lt;br /&gt;
* Over the top heroism usually carries the day.&lt;br /&gt;
* Obvious, thinly disguised Secret Agents everywhere.&lt;br /&gt;
* The setting is entering a technological renaissance.&lt;br /&gt;
* Everything is bright or vividly colored.&lt;br /&gt;
* As seen on TV!&lt;br /&gt;
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Compared to Warhammer40k, Brighthammer40k is generally brighter and a nicer place to live, but is by no means peaceful, always in a low level state of conflict, internal and external, never quite turning into war. The skull motif is replaced by wings, and colors are often brighter.&lt;br /&gt;
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==8chan Anon Explains the Grim/Noble and Dark/Bright Spectrum==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Alignments.jpg|300px|thumb|An [[alignment]] chart.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Grim/Noble asks whether there are heroes that exist, may appear to change the world for good or ill.&lt;br /&gt;
** A noble setting isn&#039;t one where everyone is good, more like one where people are active.&lt;br /&gt;
** In a grim world, no matter what you do, an individual can&#039;t secure more than an individual victory, if even that, because the rest of the world is too big/scared/powerless/selfish to act upon his impulse.&lt;br /&gt;
** A noble world is one where the action of a single hero can change the world, and a single big villain can fuck it all up : there are important people, who are so either by birth, rank or sheer willpower, and every single one of these people MATTER.&lt;br /&gt;
** 40k is grim(dark) because it is static: your SM chapter may save planets for a living, but they&#039;ll probably be taken over by Chaos next Tuesday anyways, so why bother? In much the same way, &lt;br /&gt;
** Sandman (Neil Gaiman&#039;s) is grim(bright) : no matter how incredible the things Dream gets to experience are, he is ultimately trapped by the static nature of his existence and that of his companions : he could do anything, and it would all be for nothing. All victories are individual, and usually temporary, affairs.&lt;br /&gt;
* Something like Morrowind or Berserk is noble (bright and dark, respectively) because it is about one man forcing destiny&#039;s hand and changing the world.&lt;br /&gt;
** Now, a bright world is one full of opportunity, of wondrous sights to behold. It doesn&#039;t mean that it has to be MLP, it can be dangerous, but your first instinct when looking at a new location should be awe and wonder: people may adventure to save the world, but they leave town with a smile upon their face, eager to see what comes next. The shadow of Risk is largely erased by the glint of Adventure. In a bright world, it&#039;s quite possible for people to go on adventure just for the hell of it, since the journey is it&#039;s own reward. Resurrection, or at least means to heal grave injuries, are usually accessible, to counterbalance the fact that the risks out there are real.&lt;br /&gt;
** A dark world is one where life sucks, and usually not long: whether it be because of demon overlords &#039;nids or even the lack of water, everyone in this story may die, and they die for good. If you lose an arm, you play a cripple. In the extreme cases, even when you win a fight, your career is over (gangrene etc…). That means that, even though people may be ready to help (noble), people will need a good reason to do so, since stepping out of line is so dangerous.&lt;br /&gt;
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40k is (grim)dark because, no matter where you go, there is only war, and heroism&#039;s only reward is usually a notch on a gun or a corpse in a trench. No matter who you are, most of the galaxy probably wants you dead, and staying home today is the best choice you can make. Also, even if you make it to the end, you may have to sacrifice everything to save everyone, if you haven&#039;t already done so. Berserk is (noble)dark because, while there seems to be light at the end of the tunnel, it takes men and women of insane willpower to get there : no matter whether you are big or small, even when you have nothing, the only thing that may save the world is that will in you that says &amp;quot;go on !&amp;quot; And if hope was to fails, you&#039;d get a book-long bloodbath-orgy, and all it&#039;s consequences afterwards.&lt;br /&gt;
Morrowind is (noble)bright because, even though the world is fraught with dangers, there is so much to see, so many interesting people to meet, so many cool things to experience that, at the end of the road, you&#039;d do it all over again if given the chance to see it once again with virgin eyes. Sandman is (grim)bright because the incredible vistas and interesting people are all that can distract Dream from the dullness of his existence. He will tire of them all, but even him has to admit that he saw some cool shit. Also, notice how the relative freedom from consequences (people can get somewhat rezzed/healed/characters don&#039;t die much), a bright trait, reinforces the futility of the struggle in a grim world.&lt;br /&gt;
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In short, grimdark and noblebright worlds both exist, and both are interesting to play in. So do grimbright (those are quite weird, I admit) and nobledark (my favorite : victory is so much sweeter when you have to fight for it). Every type allows for evil and struggles to exist, and for stories to be told. Evil can even triumph : it&#039;s less of a matter of who wins, and more of a matter of tone. In a bright world, the BBEG can win, but he won&#039;t skullfuck everyone the PCs know in front of a crowd without the mood turning to dark.&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ll leave you with some examples :&lt;br /&gt;
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Grimdark : WHFB, W40K, Game of Thrones, Oedipus ,E.Y.E Divine Cybermancy.&lt;br /&gt;
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Grimbright : Sandman, The Sims, most Tycoon games, The Commonwealth Saga, Eclipse Phase, most of Zeus&#039; flings with mortals (from the gods&#039; perspective).&lt;br /&gt;
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Nobledark : Berserk, LotR, Starcraft, Dark Sun, Terminator, Fallout, the Iliad.&lt;br /&gt;
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Noblebright : Morrowind, D&amp;amp;D/PF (usually), Magi, Warcraft, Star wars, Trine, the Odyssey, and of course, Star Trek.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Stuff considered NobleBright ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{|border=1 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=0&lt;br /&gt;
|- align=left&lt;br /&gt;
! NobleBright&lt;br /&gt;
! ...and GrimDark&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Brighthammer_40,000_(2nd_edition)|BrightHammer 40k]] OR [[Age of Sigmar]] || [[Warhammer_40,000|WarHammer 40k]] before 8th ED&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Warhammer_40,000|WarHammer 40k]] 8th ED, but more like Nobledark || [[Xeelee Sequence|Xeelee universe]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Exalted]](Well, Zig-zags between the two ) || [[Vampire:_The_Masquerade|Vampire:tM]], [[Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse|Werewolf:tA]] ([[oWoD]])&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Changeling:_The_Dreaming|Changeling:tD]] ([[oWoD]]) || [[Changeling:_The_Lost|Changeling:tL]] ([[nWoD]])&lt;br /&gt;
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|[[Geist: The Sin-Eaters]] ([[nWoD]]) ||[[ Wraith: The Oblivion]] ([[oWoD]])&lt;br /&gt;
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|[[D20_Modern|D20 Modern]] || [[Call_of_Cthulhu|Call of Cthulhu]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Special Unit 2 || Delta Green&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Star Trek]] (in general) || Babylon 5 (closer to Nobledark)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Andromeda Ascendant || Farscape&lt;br /&gt;
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| Stargate SG-1 || The First Wave&lt;br /&gt;
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| Firefly || Blake&#039;s 7&lt;br /&gt;
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| Battlestar Galactica (1978) || Battlestar Galactica (2004)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Temeraire Series || [[A Song of Ice and Fire|Game of Thrones]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Robocop || Judge Dredd&lt;br /&gt;
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| Sword Art Online: Alfheim Online || Sword Art Online: Gun Gale Online&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Rogue Trader (RPG)|Rogue Trader]] || [[Dark Heresy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Wizard of Oz || Soul Eater&lt;br /&gt;
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| MACROSS (Robotech) || Neon Genesis Evangelion&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[7th Sea]] || [[Poison&#039;d]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Zoids || Gundam&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Spirit of the Century]] || [[Don&#039;t Rest Your Head]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Traveller]] || [[Eclipse Phase]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Dragonlance]] || [[Dark Sun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Avatar: The Last Airbender|Avatar]] (not [[Avatar|Cameron&#039;s furfic)]] || Kaze no Stigma&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Warcraft]] || [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle|Warhammer Fantasy Battle]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Magic the gathering|Alara]], [[Theros]], [[Lorwyn]] || [[Innistrad]], [[Phyrexia|New Phyrexia]], [[Shadowmoor]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Neverwinter Nights]] || Dragon Age&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Elder Scrolls]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;(Well, somewhat, if you ignore Kirkbride&#039;s EU-thing) || Gothic&lt;br /&gt;
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| Final Fantasy || Megami Tensei&lt;br /&gt;
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| Persona || Shin Megami Tensei &lt;br /&gt;
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| Persona 4 || Persona 3&lt;br /&gt;
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| Red Alert 3 || Red Alert 2 &lt;br /&gt;
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| Red Alert 2 || Red Alert&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Command and Conquer]]: Red Alert series || [[Command and Conquer]]: Tiberium series&lt;br /&gt;
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| Animorphs || Terraformars&lt;br /&gt;
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| Fate/Stay Night || Fate/Zero&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Starcraft]] II || [[Starcraft|Starcraft: Brood War]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Diablo]] III || [[Diablo]] I &amp;amp; II&lt;br /&gt;
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| Grand Theft Auto 1 || Saints Row 1&lt;br /&gt;
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| Saints Row 3 || Grand Theft Auto 4&lt;br /&gt;
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| Fable III || [[Dark Souls]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Undertale || LISA&lt;br /&gt;
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| Kid Icarus || God of War&lt;br /&gt;
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| Mass Effect 1 || Mass Effect 3&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Mass Effect universe || [[Setting:Halo|Halo universe]] &lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Setting:Halo|Halo universe]] || Dead Space universe&lt;br /&gt;
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| Dead Space universe || Halo: Forerunner Trilogy&lt;br /&gt;
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| Spore || Darkspore&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann || Getter Robo Armageddon&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Rebuild of Evangelion || Neon Genesis Evangelion OR The Vision of Escaflowne&lt;br /&gt;
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| Neo-Hunter Casshern || Casshern Sins &lt;br /&gt;
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| Mai-Otome || Mai-Hime (last 10 episodes at least)&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Cardcaptor Sakura || Puella Magi Madoka Magica&lt;br /&gt;
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| Power Rangers in General || Power Rangers RPM&lt;br /&gt;
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| Super Sentai || Kamen Rider (especially the Showa Era ones)&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Kamen Rider (most Heisei Era ones) || GARO&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Batman: the Brave &amp;amp; the Bold || Batman: TAS (first two seasons only)&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Star Wars RPG|Star Wars Episode I, IV, VI,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Star Wars: The Clone Wars Movie and Season 1,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and a decent portion of the Expanded Universe]] || [[Star Wars D20|Star Wars Episode II, III, V, VII,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Star Wars: The Clone Wars from Season 2 onwards,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and the other half the Expanded Universe, especially The New Jedi Order and Legacy]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Little House on the Prairie  || Deadwood&lt;br /&gt;
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| Full House || Married With Children&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Green Zone || The Hurt Locker&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| The Sarah Jane Adventures || [[Doctor Who|Torchwood]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| &#039;&#039;Pirates of the Caribbean&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;Risen 2: Dark Waters&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| Justice || Watchmen&lt;br /&gt;
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| Twilight Saga || Buffy: The Vampire Slayer&lt;br /&gt;
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| &#039;&#039;Lois and Clark&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;Man of Steel&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| Planetary || The Authority&lt;br /&gt;
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| Cyanide and Happiness || [http://picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=132 pictures for sad children]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| The Silver Age of Comic Books || The Dark Age of Comic Books&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Steampunk|Steampunk Genre]] || [[Cyberpunk|Cyberpunk Genre]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Raspberry Pi || OpenPandora&lt;br /&gt;
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| South Korea || &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;North&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; BEST Korea&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Discworld]] || [[A Song of Ice and Fire]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| A Wizard of Earthsea || The Tombs of Atuan&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Mega Man (Classic, Legends, Battle Network,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;ZX, Star Forces 1 and 2)|| Mega Man (X, Zero, Star Force 3,) The Protomen&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| The Chronicles of Narnia|| His Dark Materials&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Just Cause 2 || Spec Ops: The Line&lt;br /&gt;
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| Plants VS Zombies || The Last of Us&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Mirror&#039;s Edge || Assassin&#039;s Creed&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Iron Kingdoms MKii || Iron Kingdoms MKi&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Marvel Comics films || [[#Grimderp|DC Universe films]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| DC comics || Marvel comics&lt;br /&gt;
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| Marvel comics || Watchmen comics&lt;br /&gt;
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| Watchmen comics || Wanted comics&lt;br /&gt;
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| Warehouse 13 || The SCP Foundation&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Eberron]] || [[Dragonmech]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Planescape]] || [[Ravenloft]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Wilderlands of High Fantasy]]|| | [[Forgotten Realms]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| InFamous || Prototype&lt;br /&gt;
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| Harry Potter 1-3 || Harry Potter 4-7 (ESPECIALLY 7th)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Deus Ex 0-2 || System Shock 1-2&lt;br /&gt;
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| RoboCop || Terminator&lt;br /&gt;
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| Homeworld 1 and 2 || Homeworld: Cataclysm&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;(when the Beast make their first appearance)&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Fist of the North Star]] || Violence Jack&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Simpsons || South Park&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Glaive || Conan the Barbarian&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Hobbit || The Children of Hurin&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Mordheim]] || [[Malifaux]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Civilization:Beyond Earth || [[Alpha Centauri]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The New Testament]]  || [[The Old Testament]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Overwatch || [[Team Fortress 2]] (Especially Mann vs. Machine)&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Team Fortress 2]] || Team Fortress Classic&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Ghostbusters films and Real Ghostbusters || | Extreme Ghostbusters&lt;br /&gt;
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| Metal Gear (in general) || | Metal Gear Solid V&lt;br /&gt;
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| Girls und Panzer || Panzerfraulein Alteseisen &lt;br /&gt;
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| Far Cry 1 || | Far Cry 2 and 3&lt;br /&gt;
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| Overstrike || | Fuse&lt;br /&gt;
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| Pokemon Franchise || Digimon Franchise&lt;br /&gt;
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| Digimon Adventure || | Digimon Tamers&lt;br /&gt;
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|Fallout series || | S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series&lt;br /&gt;
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|S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series || | Metro 2033 and Metro Last Light&lt;br /&gt;
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|Metro 2033 and Metro Last Light || | Metro 2033 (novel), Metro 2034 (novel),&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and Metro 2035 (novel) &lt;br /&gt;
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|[[Approved anime|Slayers]] || | Bastard!!&lt;br /&gt;
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| Fast And Furious || | Death Race&lt;br /&gt;
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| Death Race || | Mad Max&lt;br /&gt;
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| Twilight || | Underworld&lt;br /&gt;
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| Y:the last man  || | Chlidren of men &lt;br /&gt;
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| Battlefield Bad Company || | Call of Duty Modern Warfare trilogy&lt;br /&gt;
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| Dead Rising series || | Left 4 Dead series&lt;br /&gt;
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| Left 4 Dead series || | Dead Island series&lt;br /&gt;
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| Dead Island series || | World War Z movie&lt;br /&gt;
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| World War Z Movie || | World War Z novel&lt;br /&gt;
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| World War Z Novel || |  The Walking Dead comics &lt;br /&gt;
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| Super Robot anime|| | Real Robot anime&lt;br /&gt;
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| Real Robot anime|| | WAT Robot anime&lt;br /&gt;
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| The Go-Betweens|| | The Birthday Party/Nick Cave &amp;amp; The Bad Seeds&lt;br /&gt;
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| League of Legends|| | Dota 2&lt;br /&gt;
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| Rome: Total War|| | Total War: Attila&lt;br /&gt;
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| Freespace || | Freespace 2&lt;br /&gt;
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| Street Fighter franchise || | Mortal Kombat franchise&lt;br /&gt;
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| Star Wars Jedi: Outcast duology || | Star Wars: Battlefront 1 &amp;amp; 2 &lt;br /&gt;
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| Minecraft || | 7 Days to Die&lt;br /&gt;
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| Blood Diamond || | Lord of War &lt;br /&gt;
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| Casa de mi Padre || | Sicario&lt;br /&gt;
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| GammaWorld || | The Mutant Epoch&lt;br /&gt;
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| Konosuba || Re:Zero&lt;br /&gt;
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| Log Horizon || Overlord&lt;br /&gt;
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| This Means War || Savages&lt;br /&gt;
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| Brave New World || [[1984]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| Sailor Moon (old censored american dub) || Sailor Moon (original version)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Sailor Moon (original version) || Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon&lt;br /&gt;
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| Egan&#039;s Diaspora || | Dukaj&#039;s Perfect Imperfection&lt;br /&gt;
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| Touhou Project || Crimzon Clover&lt;br /&gt;
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| Green, Blue, Indigo, Violet, and White Lantern Corps || Red, Orange, Yellow, Black, and Grey Lantern Corps&lt;br /&gt;
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| Pod Save America || Chapo Trap House&lt;br /&gt;
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| Jimmy Neutron || Rick and Morty&lt;br /&gt;
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| World War II: Western Front || World War II: Eastern Front&lt;br /&gt;
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| Soren Kierkegaard || Friedrich Nietzsche&lt;br /&gt;
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| Jean-Jacques Rousseau || Thomas Hobbes&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Death Korps of Krieg]] || [[Xeelee_Sequence#Interim_Coalition_of_Governance|Interim Coalition of Governance]]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Squat</title>
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[[File:DSC02968.jpg|450px|right|thumb|A space dorf. [[Dwarf Fortress|Lives like one. Dies like one.]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SquatArmy.jpg|thumb|right|They built giant guns to compensate for not having giant guns. Note also the Moles and Hellbore that GW forgot about around the same time.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SquatCyclops.jpg|thumb|right|The Squats laugh at your pathetic Baneblade and obvious mediocrity in the trouser department.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Warhammer 40k squats DRW40k 04 by DaRealWurld40k.jpg|thumb|right|SILENCE, HERETIC! There is no tiny, little bearded man there! Nope! No Squats or tiny little bearded man here at all!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;SQUATS LIVE! &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;STOMP! STOMP!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; SQUATS LIVE! &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;STOMP! STOMP!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;-&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Kharadron Overlords|The Motto that all Squat players react after seeing the &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Kharadron Overlords&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; Squats in Age of Sigmar]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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You can&#039;t spell Imperial without Imp. If you spell them both correctly.&lt;br /&gt;
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A &#039;&#039;&#039;Squat&#039;&#039;&#039; is a space [[dwarf|Dorf]]. They used to exist in [[Warhammer 40,000]] (with a planned Codex mentioned in the &#039;&#039;Second Edition&#039;&#039; Codex: Imperial Guard); in fluff, their worlds supplemented the capabilities of [[Forge World]]s, and were independent of the technology-worship of the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]].&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Squat&amp;quot; is also sometimes used as a verb by fans of Warhammer 40k. This refers to the removal of the Squats from both the game and the [[fluff]] behind it; in particular, some people believe that other armies will be &amp;quot;squatted&amp;quot; from 40k, which is to say, their model line will be removed and they will no longer be playable in 40k. There have been cries of &amp;quot;they&#039;re getting squatted!&amp;quot; for basically every army that wasn&#039;t updated within two years, including, but not limited to, [[Dark Eldar]], [[Necrons]], [[Sisters of Battle]], and [[Black Templars]]. So far, this has mostly been proven false; both Dark Eldar and Necrons got new codices, and Sisters have been recently released. Meanwhile, the Black Templars have been rolled up into the Space Marines, but, importantly, &#039;&#039;they still exist.&#039;&#039; Of the Chapters included, Templars are easily the most divergent, and although some of the fluff has been retconned, it was usually in a fairly logical way (how do you get around if you hate [[Astropath]]s and [[Navigator]]s, anyway?). As such, all those whining &amp;quot;they&#039;re getting squatted!&amp;quot; are pretty silly, and you&#039;re probably hearing them on [[Warseer]].  &lt;br /&gt;
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HOWEVER...&lt;br /&gt;
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Recently, in Age of Sigmar, the entire [[Tomb Kings]] faction was squatted and Bretonnia later, with the entire model range being moved to the &amp;quot;Last Chance to Buy&amp;quot; section.  Cue wailing and gnashing of teeth.&lt;br /&gt;
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Update: As of the lastest Warhammer World fest (2016), Squats are NEVER getting new models. We&#039;d get fishmen in space before we see squats, and &amp;quot;Nobody loves fishmen either.&amp;quot; A sad moment indeed.(but we do have an abbundance of mantic forge fathers models to quench the sadness thoug)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Squats in 40K==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Squats]] were mentioned in the original &amp;quot;Rogue Trader&amp;quot; 1987 book and later received their full Army List in the articles published in White Dwarf number 110 in February 1989. The Army List was later collected with other articles in the softback bound &amp;quot;Compendium&amp;quot; (also known as &amp;quot;Red Book&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Red Compendium&amp;quot;) which was released in summer/fall of that same year (and actually were the last item of the Compendium, the original article having been published on WD mere months before). The army list was centered around the Warlord and its retinue which could be equipped either with ceremonial mesh or carapace armour or with terminator-grade Exo-armour (which made the unit virtually unstoppable by anything save Daemons, Terminators, Eldar Avatar or Exarchs and the heaviest of weapons), it could field ten troopers squads (clan warriors) which could select ad-libitum heavy weapons paying a very limited cost for them and Engineers&#039; Guild bikes, sidecars and trikes which provided hit-and run power due to swivel mounted heavy weaponry. Vehicles and Robots were also available at premium points cost (less than other human armies paid) due to the recognized technical savviness of the Squats, Adeptus Mechanicus envoys and Living Ancestor (venerable Squats who were literally millennia old) added more flavour to the troop choice.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Squats in Epic==&lt;br /&gt;
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While in 40K the Squats were roughly half an army, in [[Epic]] they really worked. As well as the biker companies you suddenly had access to an enormous supply of hardware with which the Squats would punish anyone who said they were compensating for something. These included [[Goliath Mega-Cannon|giant tracked mortars,]] [[Land Train|Land Trains,]] and massive tracked crawlers with Void Shields that were basically the Squat version of Titans; one, the [[Cyclops War Machine|Cyclops,]] was armed with what the modern fluff calls a Lance and could burn through multiple shields before hitting the target. Which is a little odd, because current fluff explains that the whole point of a ship&#039;s weapons batteries is to drop enemy shields so they can be finished off with lances (which are supposed to suck against void shields).  Then again, the squats have always been more advanced.  They had [[Overlord Armoured Airship|ironclad airships,]] [[Iron Eagle Gyrocopter|helicopters]] back when most Epic armies had no aircraft at all, and generally ruled.&lt;br /&gt;
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==When suddenly...==&lt;br /&gt;
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They were eaten by [[Tyranid]]s. It is popularly believed that [[Games Workshop]] sends out teams to assassinate, kidnap, or otherwise inconvenience anyone who dares mention them. One possibility is that [[Dwarf Fortress|the Squat nobles demanded that some impossible-to-acquire item be put in each of their rooms, and thus locked up the entire working class of Squats, and the whole race starved.]]  Another theory is that [[Creed]] is [[Just as planned|using his tactical genius to hide them until the final showdown with Chaos.]]  It&#039;s kinda likely that, what with their &amp;quot;We haz teknologeez!&amp;quot;, being Dwarves, drinking, not being assholes, and generally not being depressing, [[Games Workshop]] decided they weren&#039;t [[grimdark]] enuff, and subsequently fed them to the Tyranids (who exist to eat Games Workshop&#039;s mistakes, obviously), and at the same time branding the mention of &amp;lt;censored for heresy&amp;gt; as [[heresy]].  Heresy - the perfect excuse to [[retcon]]!&lt;br /&gt;
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Squats are now /tg/&#039;s version of the Candlejack [[meme]], since mentioning them gets [[Inquisition|GW to send death squads after you.]] Fortunately, the two memes cancel one another out.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Squats Sighted With Bigfoot on the Island of Mu ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It has always been suspected that Squats weren&#039;t simply lost to a Tyranid attack. After all, men don&#039;t get their legs broken just for discussing people who have been eaten. Rather, the Squats probably saw something they weren&#039;t supposed to see and had to &amp;quot;disappear&amp;quot; for a while. Come to think of it, there is a race called the &amp;quot;Demiurg&amp;quot; who are short, drunken miners with a love for technology and a hatred of Greenskins and Eldar. Strangely enough, they popped up after the Squats disappeared; it&#039;s probably a coincidence, though. They sell their services to the TAU of all people, so it must be.&lt;br /&gt;
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== A rare case of GW being completely honest ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Squats.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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This is from 2004, back when honesty was A Thing, it seems:&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;I know I shouldn&#039;t get drawn on this... but... can&#039;t... resist&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Seriously, a couple of points just so you can have an informed debate based on the real reasons that Squats are no longer available. Be warned, it is going to be hard reading for people that like the Squat background.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;First of all, Squats were *not* dropped because they were not selling well. There were then, and are now, plenty of other figure ranges that sell in the sort of % quantities that the Squats pulled down, especially when you look across all of the ranges produced by GW rather than just those for 40K.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;No, the reason that the Squats were dropped was because the creatives in the Studio (people like me, Rick, Andy C, Gav etc) felt that we had failed to do the Dwarf &#039;archetype&#039; justice in its 40K incarnation. From the name of the race (Squats - what *were* we thinking?!?!) through to the short bikers motif, we had managed to turn what was a proud and noble race in Warhammer and the other literary forms where the archetype exists, into a joke race in 40K. We only fully realized what we had done when we were working on the 2nd edition of 40K. Try as we might, we just couldn&#039;t work up much enthusiasm for the Squats. The mistake we made then (deeply regretted since) was to leave them in the background and the &#039;get you by&#039; army list book that appeared. With hindsight, we should have dropped the Squats back then, and saved ourselves a lot of grief later on.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Anyway, the Squats made it into 2nd edition, and since we were doing army books for each of the races, we started to try and figure out what to do with them. Unfortunately we just couldn&#039;t figure out a way to update them and get them to work that we felt was good enough. The &#039;art&#039; of working on an army as a designer is to find the thing that you think is cool and exciting about an army, and work it up into a strong theme. This &#039;muse&#039; didn&#039;t strike any of us, and so, rather than bring out a second-rate product simply re-hashing the old background, we kept doing other army books instead, with stuff we did feel inspired by.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Now, while this was all going on for 40K, we were actually doing some rather good stuff for the Squats in Epic. On this scale there was a natural tendency to focus on the big &#039;hand-made&#039; war machines the Squat artisans produced, and this created an army with a feel that was very different to the biker hordes in 40K. However, this tended to reinforce the problems we saw in the Squat background rather than alleviate them, underlining what we *should* have done with the Squats in 40K.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;In the end (and it took years to really get to the roots of the problem) this led to a realisation that we were going to have to drop the Squats in their &#039;Squat&#039; form from the 40K background. There was little point having a major race that we weren&#039;t willing to make an army book for, and their inclusion in the background meant that people kept asking us when we&#039;d do a Squat Codex. Instead we decided that we&#039;d write the Squats out of the background by saying that their Homeworlds had been devoured by a Tyranid Hivefleet. This would give us the option in the future to return to making a race based on the Squat archetype for 40K. This race was given the name of Demiurg, and a certain amount of preliminary work was done to get a &#039;feel&#039; for what the race would be like. At present the only hint of the Demiurg in 40K is the Demiurg spaceship for BFG. However, we do have this race &#039;in our back pocket&#039; as a possible new race for 40K, or an interesting character model in Inquisitor, or whatever. So far the Demiurg have lost out to other projects, and it may be that their time never actually comes, as they will have to win through on their merits, not simply because we once made some Squat models in the past. At present, I have to say that it is more likely that they *don&#039;t* make the cut than do, as there is a certain prejudice these days to simply taking races from Warhammer and cross them over to 40K like we did in the early days, so it may be that the Squats/Demiurg end up remaining a footnote in the history of the 40K galaxy. Only time will tell...&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;I&#039;ll finish off by saying that whatever we decide to do &#039;officially&#039;, there is nothing stopping players with Squat armies from using them, either in Epic or 40k for that matter. There is no GW &#039;rule&#039; against using old Citadel Miniatures, as long as you use them with existing army lists and in a way that won&#039;t cause confusion for other players. I recommend taking a positive stand by saying &amp;quot;Have you seen these cool old models? They&#039;re called the Squats and GW used to make them back in the late eighties/early nineties. I love &#039;em, so I count them as Imperial Guard and use them with the current rules...&amp;quot; Put like this I can&#039;t imagine that anyone would stop you from using your army.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Best regards,&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Jervis Johnson&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;Head Fanatic &#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Then what ever happened to the Demiurg? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Essentially?  Nothing. They were given all of two mentions in recent memory: first as a footnote on a list of [[Tau]] auxiliaries, then as a small enclave of asteroid miners that [[Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka]] killed by accident while fighting some Bad Moonz.&lt;br /&gt;
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==What Happened According to /tg/==&lt;br /&gt;
Space [[Boatmurdered]]. Attempts to thwart the Tyranids with &amp;quot;fuck the world&amp;quot; levers failed. Casualties.... Too many.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Squats continue to rear their [[Neckbeard|bearded]] heads ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Games Workshop continues to show us that somewhere and somehow, a chained-up, barely-fed fluff-custodian is employed at the GW headquarters.  He apparently gets loose every so often, and as evidence we present the tidbit he snuck in to the 6th Edition Rulebook.&lt;br /&gt;
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Apparently, on page 405, the rulebook mentions Squats as a race of [[abhuman]]s, akin to Ogryn or Ratlings.&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://i.imgur.com/WfOL7.jpg The Squat Reference]&lt;br /&gt;
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Fanmade armylists for the Squats exists, the one most played and best playtested hosted over at 40konline.com, on their &amp;quot;Lost and Damned&amp;quot;-board. &lt;br /&gt;
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They also have their own facebook group, but searching for &amp;quot;squat&amp;quot; literally fills your screen with ass. Beware.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the seventh edition rulebook, squats are also mentioned in a list of known abhumans (along with a bunch of feline thingies). They&#039;re not even in the list of the extinct and dying out ones!!!&lt;br /&gt;
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This trend was continued in the eighth edition corebook (page 279) and thus it seems that  the idea of Squats being extinct may have been &#039;&#039;greatly&#039;&#039; exaggerated. Cue hopes of Squats making a triumphant return.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Models Are Available!!!!==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Mantic Games]] make a range of models called [[Forge Fathers]] which are space-dwarfs for their sci-fi game [[Warpath]], so if you want a Squat army you can have one! They&#039;re in 28mm so they could be used for 40K (use the Space Marine list and make up some appropriate house rules). As of now they have tanks, fully possable troopers and terminators too&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Hasslefree Miniatures&#039;&#039;&#039; make a range of models called &amp;quot;Grymm&amp;quot; which are dwarf space soldiers. They have close combat, light infantry, heavy infantry, specialists, and commander models. They even have a dwarf walker mech.&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=miniatures]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Grymm_lmg_small.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
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A Kickstarter worth your attention for models[http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693348960/metal-beards-tabletop-dwarf-army] for an army of armoured dwarfs is a good option. Though it may have ended by the time you read this.&lt;br /&gt;
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And now thanks to [[Age of Sigmar]] you got the [[Kharadron Overlords]], [[Awesome|they are steam-armoured flying pirate dwarfs]]! There is a running gag that states that the Kharadron Overlords are surviving Squats who had fled Warhammer 40,000 into Warhammer Age of Sigmar due to how 40k the Kharadron models look. Time to get the conversions up and running! We recommend one of the space marine codexs that can take flying transport or flyer heavy Tempestus so you can use all those sweet Æther ships.&lt;br /&gt;
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For playing Squats with the Horus Heresy books. The Imperial Militia and Cults army list will allow players to create a decent proxy. Buy a Force Commander and give him the Survivors of the Dark Age and Abhuman Helots Provenances of War. This allows you to use  [[Rhino|Rhinos]] and the [[Land Raider Proteus]] as dedicated transports. For small amount of points you can upgrade the Rotor Cannons and las-weapons of Grenadier and Platoon Command Cadre squads. However since both squads have access to Bolters and Grenade Launchers those points are better spent elsewhere.&lt;br /&gt;
Ogryns outside of the Solar Auxilia suck if your not taking Power Weapons because of their low BS of two. Three Enginseer Auxilia Adepts and fully kitted out Servo-Automata with Phased Plasma-fusils or GLs are the superior offensive Elite options compared to Ogryns.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gallery ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Image:Grymm_lmg.jpg|I&#039;m surprised you dwarf nuts haven&#039;t found these Hasslefree minis yet lol. I don&#039;t like dwarfs much myself but I wouldn&#039;t mind fighting beside &#039;&#039;these&#039;&#039; guys. &lt;br /&gt;
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Image:Grymm_admiral.jpg &lt;br /&gt;
Image:Grymm WALKER.jpg| &amp;quot;[[meme|METAL GEAR?!]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Image:1207616355827.jpg|Welcome to the club, Sisters.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Squats rally.jpg|Rally to m&lt;br /&gt;
Image:ripsquats.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
Image:squats_are_common.jpg|&amp;quot;Squats are common inhabitants in the Imperium...&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Squat Codex.jpg|You may include troops but we won&#039;t.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Squats combat Cards citadel Cc spacewar 06 gorun.png|Militant-armored-cybernetic-warrior-space-midgets? Yep. They cover all the bases in the 41st millennium. (Or they used to...)&lt;br /&gt;
Image:The results.jpg|When the Squats were rediscovered, the Imperium&#039;s first reaction was to argue over who was to blame for losing them.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Squat_Cyclops1024.jpg|[[Awesome|Squat Cyclops in all its glory]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Image:This never happened.jpg|If anyone asks, I didn&#039;t put this picture here. In fact, if anyone asks, deny this picture ex&lt;br /&gt;
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