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		<title>Thalastian Jorus</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:Chaplain_Daenor.png|300px|right|thumb|Emperor forever shine his light on this dead &#039;ard motherfucker]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[FATAL|Buckle up your buttholes buckaroos]], because it&#039;s time for one of those rare moments where GW churns out something so bumcrunchingly [[awesome]] that even grizzled [[neckbeards]] can only shed [[Fist of the North Star|manly tears]] for it.&lt;br /&gt;
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The story begins Circa 811.M37, before any of the [[Dante|players]] [[Astorath|that]] [[Mephiston|we]] [[Lemartes|know]] [[Corbulo|of]] were even born. [[Abaddon]] the Despoiler, fresh off his mini-victory of the 6th Black Crusade (the one no one gave a shit about) was feeling pretty ok about himself and decided to attack the planet Mackan with the bulk of his forces to steal an [[Eldar]] artifact he needed to progress his plan - or at least to make it look like he had a plan. So he rounded up his mates, [[Iskandar Khayon]], [[Lheorvine Ukris]] and [[Telemachon Lyras]] and proceeded to open up a sector&#039;s worth of whoop-ass. The Blood Angels responded at Chapter strength with a few companies from a [[White Scars]] successor chapter, the [[Rampagers]] for back-up and that&#039;s it, since the [[High Lords]] couldn&#039;t get their shit together fast enough it was up to the Astartes to turn away the massive tide of Chaos. It didn&#039;t go great.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Rampagers didn&#039;t last long and even though the Blood Angels gave as good as they got - better, even - plus making a terrific account of themselves according to the death ratio, they just couldn&#039;t keep up with the numbers of the [[Black Legion]] by themselves unaided. After their last Captain on planet was unceremoniously relieved of his internal organs by the Warmaster of Chaos, Reclusiarch Jorus realized he had had enough of that &amp;quot;losing&amp;quot; shit and decided it was time for some payback.&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Awesomeness that followed==&lt;br /&gt;
Thalastian Jorus immediately whipped his boys into shape, undeterred that the only fighting force of the Blood Angels left on Mackan was a bunch of howling and raving lunatics from the [[Death Company]] and the surviving Angels who had fallen to the curses of their chapter. Jorus was outmanned by a matter of thousands to one, he was easily outgunned by the sorceries Khayon could bring to bear and Lyras was a famous champion in Chaos circles. The fact that the Chaos forces thought they were dead was little comfort and each of the boys under his command was a barely controllable bloodthirsty berzerker. Even for Blood Angels, things looked grim indeed...&lt;br /&gt;
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Abaddon and his boys [[anal circumference|never knew]] [[rape|what hit them]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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For days, the blood-crazed Blood Angels waged a guerilla war with the chaotics, striking hard and fast before vanishing again, [[Raven Guard]]-style. After weeks of harrying the Black Legion, they had drawn enough of the Chaos forces for Reclusiarch Jorus to make his final daring thrust into the heart of Chaos. Like a murderous tide, the Death Company fell upon the [[Justaerin|Honour Guard]] of the Warmaster and [[Eversor|tore them to ribbons]] pushing back Khayon and Lyras until it was just Thalastian Jorus and Ezekyle Abaddon face to face, with Ukris dying in the fighting.&lt;br /&gt;
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And in a [[awesome|furious blaze of glory]] the little Reclusiarch that could achieved what [[Eldrad|so]] [[Saint Celestine|few]] can [[Sigismund|match]]: he wounded the Warmaster gravely enough that he had to quit the field. In fact, the wounds inflicted were so terrible that Abby still bears the remnants of the strike on his body as a strange mark of pride - or as a means of remembering a particularly valiant enemy. As the Reclusiarch and his suicide mission were cut down by the Black Legion (now sans the [[Bringers of Despair]], Falkus Kibre aside) it is most certain he had the smuggest of smiles as he was butchered to death.&lt;br /&gt;
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When the [[Carcharodons]] arrived with the [[Imperial Navy]] to back up the nearly extinct Blood Angels and mopped up the remaining Black Legion who were still straggling behind after the main part of the Crusade had packed up and fucked back on to the [[Eye of Terror]], they found an interesting discovery. All the unrecovered Blood Angels corpses had had their gene-seed ruined beyond repair, an insult to unworthy opponents presumably. Of all the Chapter, only a handful of bodies were left undefiled: Reclusiarch Jorus and his Death Company, clad in their battered and broken black ceramite, seated in makeshift thrones made from the bodies and armor of those Black Legion warriors they had killed on that fateful night.&lt;br /&gt;
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Pure. Distilled. MotherFuckin&#039; Awesome!&lt;br /&gt;
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In the same vein as [[The World Engine]]. Proof that GW can still write cool stories, where all sides get their time to shine and get bloodied in equal measure.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Marines-Characters}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Blood Angels]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Alcohol</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Rdicards2.jpg|thumb|right|Cards From The Red Dragon Inn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{topquote|Roll the [[dice]] to see if I&#039;m getting drunk!|Dead Alewives D&amp;amp;D sketch.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{topquote| Alcohol, my permanent accessory.&lt;br /&gt;
Alcohol, a party-time necessity.&lt;br /&gt;
Alcohol, alternative to feeling like yourself.&lt;br /&gt;
O Alcohol, I still drink to your health.&lt;br /&gt;
I love you more than I did the week before.&lt;br /&gt;
I discovered alcohol.&lt;br /&gt;
|A song by the Canadian band, BareNaked Ladies.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{topquote|To alcohol, cause of and solution to all problems in life!|Homer Simpson}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Alcohol==&lt;br /&gt;
In alcohol cultures, the term alcohol originally refereed to the primary alcohol ethyl alcohol (ethanol), the dominating alcohol in alcoholic beverages. However, since then, other alcohols have been identified, including the secondary alcohol isopropanol, and the tertiary alcohol tert-Amyl alcohol. Nowadays, the term alcohol in this context instead refers to the alcohol as a drug family (chemical class). It is a colorless, odorless liquid well known for it&#039;s intoxicating effects on carbon based life-forms.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Alcoholism==&lt;br /&gt;
Alcoholism is a broad term for problems with alcohol, and is generally used to mean compulsive and uncontrolled consumption of alcoholic beverages, usually to the detriment of the drinker&#039;s health, personal relationships, and social standing. It is medically considered a disease, specifically an addictive illness. In psychiatry several other terms have been used, specifically &amp;quot;alcohol abuse&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;alcohol dependence,&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;alcohol use disorder&amp;quot; which have slightly different definitions.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Alcohol Table==&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|+ Alcohol Table&lt;br /&gt;
|&#039;&#039;&#039;Drinks in a row&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|&#039;&#039;&#039;Will Save&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|&#039;&#039;&#039;If failed will save Effected by&#039;&#039;&#039;	&lt;br /&gt;
|&#039;&#039;&#039;Duration&#039;&#039;&#039;	&lt;br /&gt;
|&#039;&#039;&#039;Addiction Rating&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|1st&lt;br /&gt;
|DC:2&lt;br /&gt;
|Spell: Dazed &lt;br /&gt;
|1d4 (- Con modifier) hours 	&lt;br /&gt;
|Negligible&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
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|2nd&lt;br /&gt;
|DC:4&lt;br /&gt;
|spell: Charm person “drinking buddy”	&lt;br /&gt;
|1d4+1 (- Con modifier) hours 	&lt;br /&gt;
|Low&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|4th&lt;br /&gt;
|DC:8&lt;br /&gt;
|spell: Tasha’s hideous laughter&lt;br /&gt;
|1d4+2 (- Con modifier) hours&lt;br /&gt;
|Low&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|6th&lt;br /&gt;
|DC:16&lt;br /&gt;
|spell: Suggestion “in trusted person”&lt;br /&gt;
|2d4+ (- Con modifier) hours&lt;br /&gt;
|Medium&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|8th&lt;br /&gt;
|DC:32&lt;br /&gt;
|spell: Confusion&lt;br /&gt;
|3d4+ (- Con modifier) hours&lt;br /&gt;
|Medium&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|10th&lt;br /&gt;
|DC:64&lt;br /&gt;
|spell: Modify memory “blackout”&lt;br /&gt;
|4d4+ (- Con modifier) hours&lt;br /&gt;
|High&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|12th&lt;br /&gt;
|DC:128&lt;br /&gt;
|spell: Geas/ quest “get another drink”&lt;br /&gt;
|Until unconsciousness 	&lt;br /&gt;
|High&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|14th&lt;br /&gt;
|DC:256&lt;br /&gt;
|spell: Insanity&lt;br /&gt;
|Permanent&lt;br /&gt;
|Extreme&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Drink Size Table==&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|+ &#039;&#039;&#039;Drink Size Table&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|&#039;&#039;&#039;Creature Size&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
|&#039;&#039;&#039;1 drink Weight&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
|Fine&lt;br /&gt;
|1/1024 lb.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Diminutive&lt;br /&gt;
|1/64 lb.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Tiny&lt;br /&gt;
|1/16 lb.&lt;br /&gt;
|-	&lt;br /&gt;
|Small&lt;br /&gt;
|1/4 lb.&lt;br /&gt;
|-	&lt;br /&gt;
|Medium&lt;br /&gt;
|1 lb.&lt;br /&gt;
|-	&lt;br /&gt;
|Large&lt;br /&gt;
|4 lb.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Huge&lt;br /&gt;
|16 lb.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Gargantuan&lt;br /&gt;
|64 lb.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Colossal&lt;br /&gt;
|1024 lb.&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Alcohol Poisoning== &lt;br /&gt;
As with all [[drug]]s and [[poison]]s, alcohol abuse deals ability damage rather than hit point damage.&lt;br /&gt;
The effects of [[drug]] addiction and a list of additional drugs can be found in the [[Book of Vile Darkness]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Vile_Darkness]&lt;br /&gt;
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Creatures that are immune to Poison are immune to the effects of alcohol. A Detect Poison spell will not detect alcohol. However, a Purify Food and Drink spell will remove the alcohol from said drink  &lt;br /&gt;
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==Special==&lt;br /&gt;
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For a [[DRUNKEN MASTER]] only as defined in the [[Complete Warrior]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_Warrior]&lt;br /&gt;
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1 drink = 1 duration of his Drink Like a Demon (Ex):&lt;br /&gt;
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DRUNKEN MASTER at 2nd level their Stagger (Ex): ability also means they cannot be Dazed by alcohol &lt;br /&gt;
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One of a [[Wu jen]]’s possible taboos are that they cannot drink alcohol.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Society Views on Drinking== &lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|+ &lt;br /&gt;
|[[Elf]]&lt;br /&gt;
|Elves are fully aware that they are lightweights and are very likely to say “no thank you” when offered a drink. On the very rare occasion when an elf would enjoy a drink, it would be for ceremonial purposes only.&lt;br /&gt;
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|Elven wine is always a very fine wine with a vintage of over 100 years. &lt;br /&gt;
|+&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Dwarf]]      &lt;br /&gt;
|Dwarves will find almost any excuse to have a drink. Whether celebrating a victory or mourning a defeat, dwarves love to drink. Because dwarves are heavyweights, it will take a large amount of alcohol to get a dwarf fully intoxicated.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
|Dwarven ale tastes horrible but has a high alcohol content. A human would liken the alcohol content to be along the lines of 4-5 normal drinks.  &lt;br /&gt;
|+&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Halfling]]&lt;br /&gt;
|Halflings do enjoy a good drink but always in moderation. Most halflings pride themselves on their knowledge of, or collection of, different types of alcoholic drinks. If a sober halfling finds a drunken halfling, he will always try to help his fellow kin to sleep it off and/or sober up. &lt;br /&gt;
|Halfling drinks have a wide variety of colours, tastes, testers and types.&lt;br /&gt;
|+&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Orcs]]&lt;br /&gt;
|Orcs drink to get as drunk as possible until they pass out on the floor, only to drink more the next day.&lt;br /&gt;
|Depending on the setting, Orcs either do not make their own alcohol or can only make crummy grog. Warcraft-style Orcs may make some sort of simple alcohol, while LOTR Orcs can make barely drinkable grog or just steal whatever they need.&lt;br /&gt;
|+&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Human]]&lt;br /&gt;
|Almost every human has a different viewpoint on drinking. &lt;br /&gt;
Most lawful humans view getting drunk as something only someone uncivilized would do, while most chaotic humans view drinking as a way to have fun.  &lt;br /&gt;
|Human drinks can be found in the Food, Drink, and Lodging table of the [[Player&#039;s Handbook]]&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Alcohol Production and Terminology for Dummies==&lt;br /&gt;
Alcohol is produced via &#039;&#039;fermentation&#039;&#039; (using bacteria - usually yeast - to convert organic material into alcohol).  Fermenting alone produces a product that humans can metabolize, however it can be further enhanced by &#039;&#039;distillation&#039;&#039;, which uses vapor evaporation to concentrate the amount of alcohol. Because alcohol kills microbes, it allowed farmers to turn excess crops into spoilage-resistant foodstuffs and a &amp;quot;safe&amp;quot; source of hydration. If its a plant that has some form of sugar in it, chances are that someone&#039;s tried to make alcohol out of it.  People have even made alcohol out of animal products like milk. If alcohol is allowed to ferment for too long, some other bacteria will come along and turn it into vinegar; it becomes too sour to drink and loses its intoxicating effects, but its still useful as a condiment and preservative.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Beer&#039;&#039;&#039; is brewed from starchy source material (grains), in a fermentation process that converts starch into sugar (usually by caramelizing the starch) and then sugar into alcohol.  This process is not very efficient, and most beer is only able to reach 3-9% alcohol before the bacterial reaction dies out, although various tricks can be used to push it a bit higher.  Alcohol has been brewed since the dawn of civilization and it has been argued that the production of beer was one of the driving factors in the agricultural revolution.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Beer is typically made from malted barley and flavored with an herb called hops, though older beer recipes used whatever local herbs and spices were available, and there is great variety in what other starchy material may be mixed in with barley (corn and oats are common). Beer typically takes a couple weeks to ferment.&lt;br /&gt;
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Within the beer family, there are two major groups, &#039;&#039;ales&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;lagers&#039;&#039;, the distinction being whether the yeast floats in a warm mixture (ale) or sinks in a cool mixture (lager).  The darkest beers are generally ales (stouts &amp;amp; porters), but otherwise there is considerable variability in color and clarity of various types of beer.  Most American canned beers are lagers, specifically &#039;&#039;pilsners&#039;&#039;, a bavarian/czech type brought over by immigrants who settled in the midwest; although American brewers tend to use a corn &amp;amp; barley mix which you can&#039;t call a pilsner in Europe.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sake&#039;&#039;&#039; is made by a very similar process as beer but using rice and is able to reach up to 18% alcohol because of the way rice ferments compared to other starches.  The rice used in sake is broken down into sugar using koji mold.  Unlike in beer, the process of saccharification and fermentation take place at the same time instead of in separate steps. &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Wine&#039;&#039;&#039; is produced from sugary material, and because there is no intermediate starch-to-sugar step, the reaction happens more efficiently. Wine is typically made with grapes and is usually found in warmer climates; &#039;&#039;&#039;Cider&#039;&#039;&#039; is a common fruit wine made from apples which can be more easily grown in colder climates. &#039;&#039;&#039;Mead&#039;&#039;&#039; or honeywine is one of the oldest alcoholic beverages and is made with watered-down honey. Wine fermentation can naturally reach 10-15% alcohol. Wines made from grapes can take years to fully mature after fermenting, and fine wines put a lot of care in selecting quality grapes and the right fermentation conditions; for this reason wine tends to be more expensive and viewed as a finer drink compared to Beer, Cider or Mead. Though cheap wines have certainly existed and made easily enough by amateur brewers.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Liquor&#039;&#039;&#039; is any distilled product, of which &#039;&#039;rum&#039;&#039; is one of the simplest, made from pure sugarcane, fermented and then distilled. Close to it in terms of potency is &#039;&#039;vodka&#039;&#039;, which uses beets or potatoes, both which also can ferment down very efficiently.  Cereal grains such as corn, barley, or rye don&#039;t ferment as effectively, and are used to make &#039;&#039;whiskey&#039;&#039;, which unlike rum and vodka has some flavor because of the inefficient fermentation. &#039;&#039;Brandy&#039;&#039; is distilled wine; sometimes brandy is made from the leftover pulp of grapes, called pomace brandy. &#039;&#039;Tequilia&#039;&#039; is the odd duck of distilled beverages, or alcohol in general, in that its made from a desert succulent called Agave, and from a part of the plant that is more wood than fruit or seed.  &#039;&#039;Gin&#039;&#039; is a distilled beverage that is flavored with juniper berries.  &#039;&#039;Absinthe&#039;&#039; is a strong alcohol flavored with several herbs that may possibly give it some other mind altering effects in addition to the effects of alcohol.  Many people believe it to be hallucinogenic but this is actually false.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Moonshine&#039;&#039;&#039; typically refers to illegally made distilled alcohol that can have varying levels of purity.  While homebrewing of beer is a common enough activity, vapor distillation of alcohol presents a very serious risk of explosion so unlicensed stills are usually highly illegal.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Grog&#039;&#039;&#039; is watered down alcohol (typically rum), mixing in lime juice was also very common among British sailors (hence the nickname &amp;quot;limeys&amp;quot;). In the Navy, grog kills three birds with one stone; making stagnant water rations more palatable, preventing sailors from getting too drunk on their alcohol ration and helping the crew fight off the early effects of scurvy with the vitamin C the lime juice would provide. Grog in fantasy often has the connotation of cheap, gross-tasting alcohol, though the two ideas are not mutually exclusive; if you&#039;re going to supply an army with [[Libators|libations]], you&#039;re not going to bother buying the expensive stuff in bulk &#039;&#039;(even as late as the world wars it was pretty normal for soldiers to be brewing hooch on the sly)&#039;&#039;, and watering it down will help stretch the supply out and keep the boys from getting too rowdy.&lt;br /&gt;
* In French-speaking countries, however, &#039;grog&#039; refers to a home remedy against colds that consists of a big cup of black tea with lemon juice, honey and a dollop of hard alcohol, and it lacks the cheap/gross connotation altogether.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Fortified Wines&#039;&#039;&#039; take wine and add some harder liquor (usually brandy) to up the alcohol content. If you add in sugar and flavoring, the result is frequently called a &#039;&#039;&#039;Bum Wine&#039;&#039;&#039; because, well, they combine the taste of fruit juice with the kick of the harder stuff, at a fairly cheap price, thus making them frequently the drink of choice for the homeless.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Pruno&#039;&#039;&#039;, also known as &amp;quot;prison wine,&amp;quot; is one of the grossest home-brewed alcohols you can make, and a testament to what lengths people will go to get buzzed. Pruno is made with the few resources available to prisoners; fruit cocktail, orange juice, sugar, or just about any sweet substance they can get their hands on. And in the absence of a proper and safe-to-use fermentation yeast (if you work in a prison kitchen then maybe you have access to baker&#039;s yeast, but this is unlikely), pruno is usually fermented using wild bacteria. &#039;&#039;&#039;This can be very dangerous and has been known to cause botulism,&#039;&#039;&#039; so naturally this is highly discouraged. The resulting sludge will taste gross but will contain some level of alcohol.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Literal Poison&#039;&#039;&#039; in the many forms! Everything from kerosene mixed with honey, turpentine mixed with tree sap, wood alcohol mixed with whatever was available to paint thinner mixed with nothing. You name it, somebody has drank it in the hopes of getting a good buzz; this would usually end up with the people drinking it falling over and dying an agonizing death. Do not try this at home, or anywhere else for that matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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== See Also ==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Drugs]] - details a list of alcohols found in [[Warhammer 40,000]] and [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Food and Drink]][[Category:Dungeons &amp;amp; Dragons]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Cannibalism</title>
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&lt;div&gt;{{sick|eating humans wtf}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Topquote|No doubt the first man that ever murdered an ox was regarded as a murderer; perhaps he was hung; and if he had been put on his trial by oxen, he certainly would have been; and he certainly deserved it if any murderer does. Go to the meat-market of a Saturday night and see the crowds of live bipeds staring up at the long rows of dead quadrupeds. Does not that sight take a tooth out of the cannibal&#039;s jaw? Cannibals? who is not a cannibal? I tell you it will be more tolerable for the Fejee that salted down a lean missionary in his cellar against a coming famine; it will be more tolerable for that provident Fejee, I say, in the day of judgment, than for thee, civilized and enlightened gourmand, who nailest geese to the ground and feastest on their bloated livers in thy pate-de-foie-gras.|Herman Melville, Moby Dick}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Topquote|Looks like meat&#039;s back on the menu boys!|Ugluk, Lord of the rings}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Usually defined as &amp;quot;eating your own species&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;eating a creature who, when alive, could carry on a conversation&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;And sometimes referred to as &amp;quot;The &#039;&#039;other&#039;&#039; kind of humanitarianism&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, &#039;&#039;&#039;cannibalism&#039;&#039;&#039; is an occasional feature of /tg/-related media.&lt;br /&gt;
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==/tg/ Applicability==&lt;br /&gt;
Given how disgusting this topic is, and a [[/pol/|history of racism]] associated with talking about cannibalism, you&#039;d expect tabletop games writers (and writers in general) to avoid focusing on cannibalism in their works, even in very grim settings.  And they generally do. &lt;br /&gt;
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But some don&#039;t!  Exceptions include:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Always Chaotic Evil]] races or monsters practicing cannibalism on the species, cultural, or tribal scale.&lt;br /&gt;
* Alternately, a well-trodden cannibalism plot point is human (or demihuman) flesh being passed off as some other meat, perpetrated by some malevolent industry insiders or especially callous authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
* The other main group of exceptions are &amp;quot;horrific magic&amp;quot; situations, where the myth of &amp;quot;gaining the power of what you eat&amp;quot; is played upon, near-universally with the caveat that doing so is a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; evil act.&lt;br /&gt;
* The smallest class of exceptions just involves cannibalism as part of a horrific murder. Basically, there&#039;s nothing cultural or mystical or necessity about cannibalism here. The person in question is just a sick fuck.&lt;br /&gt;
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There are a few scenarios that blur the line:&lt;br /&gt;
* Some of the darker [[Furry]] settings where carnivorous animals never stopped eating sapient flesh. But that&#039;s [[Great Unclean Ones|Furries]].&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Toon]] has quite a few scenarios modelled after &amp;quot;chase&amp;quot; cartoons like Roadrunner and Tom and Jerry.&lt;br /&gt;
* The [[TVTropes|Horror Hunger]] case where its a case of not wanting to do it but being forced to do it due to various reasons ranging from &amp;quot;not starving to death&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;curse makes you only derive nutrition from raw sentient flesh&amp;quot; which is great for creating sympathetic monsters. Also has the slowly beginning to like it factor.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Specific /tg/ examples===&lt;br /&gt;
As a Tribal/Cultural/Species practice:&lt;br /&gt;
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*In mythology (and thus freely used by tabletop games):&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Ogre]]s are categorically man-eaters (with a preference for eating babies), as well as [[giant]]s on many occasions. &lt;br /&gt;
** [[Vampires]] (both classical blood-drinkers and proto-zombie flesh-eaters) might also be classed as cannibals, though since they are undead, we tend to think of them as no longer being human to begin with.&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Ghoul]]s are fairly straightforward examples originally taken from Arabic mythology; their main identity is &amp;quot;graveyard dwelling man-eaters&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
* In keeping with it&#039;s edgelord sensibilities, [[Warhammer 40k]] has a lot of examples. Here&#039;s just a few:&lt;br /&gt;
** The [[Dark Eldar]] feed their slaves with processed corpses of dead slaves, among other things. The Dark Eldar themselves may also indulge in the cannibalism of other species if they feel like it, [[grimdark|sometimes with their meal still alive and conscious so that they can additionally savor their agony]]. &lt;br /&gt;
** The [[Kroot]] need to eat sentient beings in order to remain intelligent and regularly eats certain individuals to evolve specific traits.&lt;br /&gt;
** The entire [[ork|orkoid race]] is one big food chain in itself, and bigger/complex life forms will eat the smaller/less-abled ones below them if needed/they feel like it. A special mention however, goes to the eating [[squig]], an simple orkoid life form that is solely made for the orks to cultivate, harvest, and eat.&lt;br /&gt;
** Most orkoid species will also eat other beings if it fancies them, especially the orks themselves and larger combat squig species.&lt;br /&gt;
** The Imperium feed people Corpse Starch or Soylens Viridiens, made from processed human bodies. While it could be an extreme example of waste not want not (as this typically happens in [[Hive World]]s, where resources are stretched thin as it is), it is a bit [[grimderp]] too, and the poor sods operating the equipment [[Corpse Grinder Cults|tend to get a bit loopy]]. The Juvenat treatments used by high-ranking imperial nobility and officers are made out of human fetuses, so we guess that&#039;s unavoidable if one wishes to live longer.  &lt;br /&gt;
** Uncivilized Feral Worlds may have cannibalistic rituals within the tribes, especially if they&#039;re tainted by Chaos. Even if they&#039;re brought under the heel of the Imperium and the [[Imperial Creed]] is spread, this does not 100% guarantee that feral worlders will shrug off cannibalism completely.&lt;br /&gt;
** Due to their [[Gene Seed|Omophagea]], Space Marines can consume the the brains of fallen enemies to take in their knowledge. Some astartes chapters also incorporate cannibalism into their chapter rituals in some way (such as the [[Blood Angels]]&#039; blood drinking rituals, or the aptly-named [[Flesh Eaters]]). The [[Sons of Malice]] chapter is one notable example, except they were declared a heretic as a result (reasonable since they having been consume a lot of chaos worshipers corpses during their services around the [[Eye of Terror|pinky hole of all obvious evil]]). This makes one wonder the point of giving Spess Muhreens such an ability, given most of their enemies would be likely to corrupt via eating them. On the other hand, having the ability to sustain on any being&#039;s flesh while fighting far away without supply for a long time is a convenient but situational ability for survival, truly just how the Emperor intended.&lt;br /&gt;
** The forces of [[Chaos]] regularly indulge in various forms of cannibalism (Nurgle&#039;s followers for example, brew the corpses of defeated enemies into a variety of concoctions for consumption, and Khorne regularly involves the consumption of blood and other bloody gibs to worship him). Fluff however, tends not to not mention them too often, or in too much in detail when they occur. Let&#039;s not forget the [[Emperor&#039;s Children]] breaking down slaves into drugs both recreational and military, and we&#039;re assuming they aren&#039;t above dining on their spoils of war either.&lt;br /&gt;
** The [[Tyranids]] are a race of ravenous consumers and will eat anything and everything, including themselves if needed. Hell, some of their [[Tyranid_Bio-Weapons#Fleshborer|weapons]] fire living projectiles that attempt to devour their target within their short lifespan. Although since they are not sentient creatures, hell, they are not even individuals, it is hardly cannibalism and can be likened to predatory behavior. In &#039;&#039;[[Dawn of War II|Retribution]]&#039;&#039;, there&#039;s a scene where the [[Hive Tyrant]] let itself be consumed by the Digestion Pools in order for its mind to reappear somewhere else in the sector, so the swarm will even use cannibalism as a form of long-range transport.&lt;br /&gt;
* Similar to 40k, [[Warhammer Fantasy]] (and by extension [[Age of Sigmar]]) uses the concept of cannibalism to add extra grimdark.&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Orcs &amp;amp; Goblins]] are as cannibalistic as their 40k counterparts, as are the [[Troll#Warhammer_Fantasy|Trolls]] that occasionally appear in their forces.&lt;br /&gt;
** Ghouls are former humans who have been deformed into monsters by the act of cannibalism. In AoS they&#039;re part the [[Flesh-Eater Courts]], who have the added distinction of being deluded into believing they&#039;re being gallant knights when they devour people.&lt;br /&gt;
**The Mourngul is another monster created from men driven to cannibalism, because for some reason the setting really needed two monsters with the same gimmick.&lt;br /&gt;
**The [[Ogre Kingdoms|Ogres]] are a race whose most distinctive feature is their constant hunger. Given that Ogres generally don&#039;t have a concept of morals, let alone what is or is not edible, cannibalism is common amongst them. That said, nomming on [[Gnoblar]]s is only done as a last resort.&lt;br /&gt;
** The human worshippers of [[Khorne]] in Age of Sigmar are often shown as being cannibals. Survivors of Khornate attacks partake in a cannibalistic feast, either joining in and transforming into a Bloodreaver or refusing and being added to the menu.&lt;br /&gt;
** Cannibalism is a big part of the [[Skaven]]. To them life is cheap, food is expensive and often someone can serve you better as lunch than as a wounded slave or as a backstabber. Of course, they will gladly feast-dine on any non-Skaven they can get their grubby paws on.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Dungeons and Dragons]] have many &amp;quot;true omnivores&amp;quot;; we won&#039;t count them unless they are intelligent.&lt;br /&gt;
** Xanxost the Slaad, a frequent narrator in various [[Planescape]] books, would usually discuss the taste of some of the (sentient) species he was discussing. Usually as a punchline.&lt;br /&gt;
** The &amp;quot;Flinds&amp;quot;, a tribe or subspecies of [[Gnoll]] that eats other Gnolls, along with just about all the other races.&lt;br /&gt;
** The halflings of [[Dark Sun]] eat only other races; but they&#039;re called &amp;quot;cannibals&amp;quot; anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Paranoia]] has a few scenarios centering either around it, or the implication that Friend Computer&#039;s Food Processors use deceased Citizens of Alpha Complex as an input.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Lamentations of the Flame Princess]]&#039;s author had a [[Magical realm|particular fondness]] for including cannibalism in his works.&lt;br /&gt;
* Being in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, the [[Fallout]] series contains several examples of cannibalism.&lt;br /&gt;
**Despite the setting, cannibalism is generally frowned upon, or outright hated, in the wasteland by &amp;quot;civilized&amp;quot; folk.&lt;br /&gt;
**The protagonist has the option of becoming a cannibal by taking the appropriate perk, which allows them to devour slain human enemies for health and nutrition. One can be an unwitting cannibal aswell by eating human flesh or strange foodstuffs found in the world.&lt;br /&gt;
**Feral ghouls and some less-civilized ghouls, partake in cannibalism. The former due to being completely insane, the latter because they simply don&#039;t care about civil norms or morality anymore (and may also just be insane).&lt;br /&gt;
**Mentally unhinged raider gangs, such as The Fiends in the Mojave, will occasionally eat their targets&lt;br /&gt;
**Majority of super mutants are cannibals, especially those living in brutal communities and were mentally stunted by the FEV transformation, although this is not always the case.&lt;br /&gt;
**A number of seemingly-normal communities throughout post-war America may have devolved into cannibalism and has normalized it, for a variety of reasons. Some do it as a necessity for survival, some see it as a mark of true prestige, and some have just gone completely bonkers.&lt;br /&gt;
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As a &amp;quot;Horrific Magic&amp;quot;:&lt;br /&gt;
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* Diablerie, from [[Vampire: The Masquerade]] and [[Vampire: The Requiem]], which involves eating another vampire&#039;s &#039;&#039;soul&#039;&#039; through their blood.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Devourers of the Flesh, from [[Mage: The Awakening]], a Left-Handed Path that are more or less exactly what their name claims.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Standard Cannibalism Jokes==&lt;br /&gt;
There are a few standard jokes associated with cannibalism:&lt;br /&gt;
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* The name &amp;quot;Long Pig&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Long pork&amp;quot;, from the semi-euphemistic description of the dish by certain Polynesian tribes.&lt;br /&gt;
** On that note, &amp;quot;tastes like chicken&amp;quot; has been used, in keeping with the joke that &#039;&#039;just about everything&#039;&#039; tastes like chicken.&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;Soylent Green&amp;quot; is the other favorite name for processed human flesh, after the movie of the same name, where it is discovered that the titular food product is made using human corpses due to food shortages caused by overpopulation and environmental collapse. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The name came from the book &amp;quot;Make Room! Make Room!&amp;quot; which the movie was based on, though the &amp;quot;Soylent Green is people!&amp;quot; twist was something the movie added.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[The Lord of the Rings|LOOKS LIKE MEAT&#039;S BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!]]&lt;br /&gt;
* If the main target of the cannibals are brains, expect a joke along the lines &amp;quot;well you&#039;re safe then&amp;quot; to the dumbest member of the group.&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;To Serve Man&amp;quot; ... &amp;quot;IT&#039;S A COOKBOOK!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Reasons It&#039;s A Touchy Subject==&lt;br /&gt;
There are five main reasons why most modern media either avoids cannibalism, or downplays it:&lt;br /&gt;
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#Most mammals (that includes you!) are instinctively predisposed to avoid cannibalism (barring &#039;&#039;severe&#039;&#039; stress such as starvation), since, as mentioned below, cannibalism is a &#039;&#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039;&#039; great way to spread various diseases, from parasitic to prionic.&lt;br /&gt;
#Eating people generally involves human corpses, which begs the question of where the corpses came from. Most people find the idea of someone being murdered to be eaten highly disturbing.&lt;br /&gt;
#Native tribes were frequently accused of being cannibals or portrayed as being cannibals when they weren&#039;t.  Many tribes who did practice cannibalism were mis-attributed as to when, how and most importantly &#039;&#039;&#039;why&#039;&#039;&#039; they practiced it. Given the subsequent abuse of the accusation by [[/pol/|blatant racists]] to dehumanize natives, most modern works try to avoid the subject entirely to not be accused (even by double proxy) of propagating racist stereotypes. &amp;lt;!-- Please, no Krootlinking here. We cover the Kroot below. --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
#There are some already [[/d/|rather disturbing people]] who find cannibalism a quite arousing subject. Any sane author who knows about this wants to keep a great deal of distance between their works and [[Furry|said]] [[/d/|people]].&lt;br /&gt;
#That shit&#039;s disgusting, yo.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History &amp;amp; Biology==&lt;br /&gt;
Multiple cultures throughout history have practiced cannibalism, more for mystic/cultural reasons than out of necessity.  The most common notion behind ritual cannibalism is that by consuming an enemy&#039;s flesh, a person would gain their strength.  That being said, the practice was near-universally banned by nearly every group that had enough food (specifically protein) to go around, for fairly obvious ethical, moral and hygienic reasons.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Eating your own species is a &#039;&#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039;&#039; great way to spread disease, and not a very polite thing to do to a stranger. While we do also get diseases from animal meat, a lot of them are rendered moot by cooking and the fact that they&#039;re incompatible with a human&#039;s complex physiology, so they just get digested and pass through the body. That isn&#039;t so much the case with eating someone else of your own specie. Its also not very pragmatic either. Human meat, even under the best conditions, has poor calorific content, meaning you&#039;re not getting a lot of energy from consuming it compared to the ones you&#039;d get from eating livestock or game. So really there&#039;s no good reason for people to eat other people, save for some very, &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039;, dire circumstances where things like morality, health, and nutritional  needs are becoming more of a suggestion than rule.&lt;br /&gt;
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A prominent example of a disease spread by cannibalism is Kuru, a prion-based neurodegenerative disease which affected the Fore people of Papua New Guinea through their tradition of consuming their dead as part of the funeral rite (it was thought to free the spirit of the deceased). Symptoms include muscle tremors, loss of coordination leading to the inability to walk or even sit without support, emotional instability, and certain death. Things like this probably helped lead to the idea of ghouls and other such degraded man eaters.&lt;br /&gt;
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More common is cannibalism by desperation. If fields burned before harvest lie under snow, storehouses plundered by passing armies, what little escaped pillage is either locked away in hordes or rationed out in sub-subsistence portions by those remaining power, game (including sparrows and rats) is running thin and people will kill each other for a sack of turnips, turning the remains of a dead enemy patrol into warrior-burgers and knight-steaks so you might make it to till the land again beats an otherwise assured miserable death. This sort of thing, while still unpleasant, is not so much evil as tragic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Further, cannibalism was enough of an occasional feature of nautical life (almost always in fairly extreme circumstances involving a lack of food) to be somewhat regularly discussed when the subject came up. This side of the subject is probably beyond the nature of this article, save to note that it kept &amp;quot;civilized&amp;quot; people from being &#039;&#039;too&#039;&#039; high-and-mighty about the practice.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also of particular interest, as it gets cited in /tg/ related discussions of the subject: the mating habits of certain insects, the females of which may eat the males after mating--although, by most biologists&#039; accounts, many such species do so only rarely, except when in captivity.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Wespe</title>
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&lt;div&gt;The Wespe Self-propelled gun was an artillery vehicle built from combining chassis of a Panzer II and a &#039;&#039;10.5cm leichte Felthaubitze&#039;&#039; howitzer. It was primarily designed by Alkett and manufactured by the FAMO company. &lt;br /&gt;
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Self-propelled artillery as a whole was a rather novel concept in WWII: At the outbreak of the war artillery was still being moved around by tractors or horses. During the battles of Poland and France, the Germans found out that their artillery units often had trouble following the &#039;&#039;Panzerdivisionen&#039;&#039;, especially those led by [[That Guy|some giggling future Desert Fox]] that set a record-breaking advance of over 200km in one day on the Dash to the Channel; something horse-drawn guns simply couldn&#039;t hope to match. Still, with the &#039;&#039;Luftwaffe&#039;&#039; dominating the skies and [[JU-87 Stuka]]&#039;s that could keep up with the tanks, the situation was not considered too critical by the German High Command at the time.&lt;br /&gt;
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Fast forward as usual to the invasion of Russia: the war is starting to go south for the Germans, and they start looking (amongst other things) into increasing their artillery&#039;s mobility. &#039;&#039;Waffenprüfamt 6&#039;&#039; (the guys responsible for designing tanks and other motorized vehicles) put out a tender for a brand new vehicle that should be [[awesome|fully tracked, armed with at least a 10.5cm artillery gun and with an enclosed and 360° traversable turret]]. The problem was that this idea was... premature: [[AMX Auf1|while indeed]] [[FV430 Series|such type of vehicles]] [[2S1 Carnation|would be developed]] [[ 2S3 Acacia|and fielded]] [[M109 Howitzer|to great effect]] [[Dana SpGH|by multiple nations]] about 20 years after WWII, in 1942 such a vehicle was technologically not yet feasible and none of the big German industrialists answered. &lt;br /&gt;
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Undaunted, German High Command looked to one of their so-called &#039;&#039;Zwischenlösungen&#039;&#039; (lit: in-between solutions) of getting a system that was perhaps not as great as envisioned but would be available immediately with already available resources, in order to give the developer more time to come up with the initial solution. German High Command then turned to an AAR of the unit of a (at the time) Captain Alfred Becker, that after the fall of France had installed his artillery battery on the chassis of obsolete English tankettes to render the big guns more mobile. They then looked at the [[Marder]]s, where Becker had started with the same general idea of strapping a [[PaK-40 Anti-Tank Gun]] to obsolete French chassis, and Alkett had then taken over mounting the PaK&#039;s on (just as obsolete) [[Panzer II]] chassis. Thus, they went knocking at Alkett&#039;s door asking if they could mount a 10.5cm howitzer instead, and the Wespe was born. The design was so popular that Hitler ordered the Panzer II chassis be diverted away from the Marder II program in favor of its production. The initial idea was to produce 1.000 of Wespes over a two-year run then switch to a more advanced model, but as was often the case with the &#039;&#039;Zwischenlösungen&#039;&#039; the improved vehicle never saw the light of day and they served throughout the war. &lt;br /&gt;
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As an interim way to create mobile firepower for the Panzer divisions, the Wespe is in  many ways similar to its big brother the [[Hummel]], only it had a &amp;quot;mere&amp;quot; 10.5 cm howitzer. The design was solid, and despite having all the shortcomings of an open topped combat vehicle, the crews who operated the vehicle held them in high regard for their high maneuvrability.  Its main limitations were the cramped fighting compartment, the limited ammo and the strain the huge gun put on the chassis and transmission: while the Russian plains didn&#039;t give Wespes much trouble, break-downs and consequent abandon of the machine were much more frequent in mountainous Italy.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<id>http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Cthonia&amp;diff=155866</id>
		<title>Cthonia</title>
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Cthonia&#039;&#039;&#039; (meaning underworld or underground in Greek) was the homeworld of the  [[Black Legion|Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus]]. Inhabitants of Cthonia had slightly freckled faces and pale, craggy features.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
A mining world reachable from [[Terra]] at sub-light speeds (WHAT?&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Well, Alpha Centauri is 4.36 lightyears from Earth, so assuming you can make roughly 80% of lightspeed, that&#039;s 5 and a half years one way trip, so it roughly checks out in 40k terms.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;), it was mined out by the [[Age of Strife]] and stripped of the mining equipment by the Mechanicum of Mars. There was literally nothing left to do but organize into loose gangs and stab each other. [[Horus]] landed here, but didn&#039;t stay on the planet long enough to conquer or fix it. As a youth, he discovered what would be the Talon of Horus on the advice of an old crone, pretty much the only other interesting thing that happened on this world and thus naturally not explored in the fluff. &lt;br /&gt;
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The first Imperial contact with Cthonia took place in the early [[Great Crusade]], when a Star Hunters pioneer company under Captain Kornelius Dure discovered the world and declared it a &amp;quot;nest of serpents coiling in the dark that we would be better to destroy&amp;quot;. Which was true, actually, but not for the reason he thought. However, the planet was revealed as the homeworld of Horus, one of the Emperor&#039;s lost Primarchs and the second to be rediscovered. Upon incorporation into the Imperium, the Space Marines of the Luna Wolves Legion were created using the human inhabitants of the violent gangs inhabiting the planet&#039;s Hives. The Emperor found him while looking for recruits of good gene-stock, and the planet was left in anarchy to help train future Legion aspirants.&lt;br /&gt;
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After the Horus Heresy, it got [[Exterminatus|Exterminatus-ed]] in case something there might have contributed to Horus&#039;s corruption. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Marder</title>
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&lt;div&gt;The Marder series of tank destroyers/assault guns were largely a series of obsolete and captured tank chasses that were converted to carry large fuckoff guns. There were three main variants of the Marder, the most recognizable of which is the Marder III.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mid War==&lt;br /&gt;
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==IRL==&lt;br /&gt;
If one thing, the Marder (Marten) series stands testimony to the adaptability of the German industry during WWII. In the early stages of the war, &#039;&#039;Blitzkrieg&#039;&#039; tactics [[rape|wrecked]] other European armies, and the necessity of dedicated &#039;&#039;Panzerjägers&#039;&#039; was not really looked into. Sure, the French heavy B1 Bis and the British Matilda and Churchill were heavy hitters and rough opponents, but they were few in numbers and better organization and communications, higher mobility, [[JU-87 Stuka|some close air support]], or if all else failed [[Flak 88mm|a really big gun]] dealt with those lumbering behemoths just fine. &lt;br /&gt;
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Fast-forward to late 1941: the German armies are advancing toward Moscow, and suddenly their [[/pol/|superior Aryan butts]] [[anal circumference|are getting ravaged]] by the latest Soviet &#039;&#039;üntermensch&#039;&#039; deployment: the [[T-34]]. Faster, better armored and with a gun that allows one to engage both tanks and infantry, it was a superior machine; and there were lots of them! Really, really, really lots of them! Only three things prevented the Russians to stop the Germans for good right there and then: their own winter (yes, the Germans suffered from the exceptional cold, but even more so the Russians), so-so mechanical reliability and fucked-up logistical lines that meant T-34&#039;s couldn&#039;t be deployed optimally but often joined the fight piecemeal, and poorly trained crews unable to play to their machine&#039;s strengths.&lt;br /&gt;
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Fast forward again to 1942: the Germans have stabilized the front and want to go on the offensive again, but they need ways to deal with the always larger amounts of T-34&#039;s coming at them, and they need them like yesterday. But, dedicated solutions like upgunned Panzer IV&#039;s, [[Stug III]]&#039;s and [[Tiger]]s take a lot of time to be manufactured/upgraded, so High Command looks for so-called &#039;&#039;Zwischenlösungen&#039;&#039; or interim solutions in order to keep going. One of these interim solutions were the different models of Marder tank hunters, which married a chassis of an obsolete tank with either a [[PaK-40 Anti-Tank Gun|German 75mm gun]] or a [[Blood Ravens|captured and adapted]] Russian 76mm gun. They were in order:&lt;br /&gt;
*The Marder I was largely developed by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Becker Major Alfred Becker] (an ingenious German guy who liked to make new things out of obsolete ones) and the Alkett weapons firm. They the bright idea to strap a PaK 40 to a French Tracteur Blinde 37L (and a few other light tanks), of which they&#039;d captured a couple hundreds but were otherwise useless. Rushed into service, it was the least efficient version; but it nevertheless offered a more than welcome improvement in mobility for the PaK-40.&lt;br /&gt;
*The Marder II was a branch off of this design, also by Alkett, except it used the Panzer II chassis as base that was more standardized and easier to maintain than captured French materiel. Early versions had rechambered Soviet At-guns, but they were later replaced by the German PaK-40. Decent, but the Panzer II chassis quickly showed its limits.&lt;br /&gt;
*The Marder III was the final in the series and was based on the proven and larger Panzer 38(t) chassis. It gained a reputation for being mechanically reliable and even saw service in Africa. The best version of the three, that was produced until mid-1944 (where Stug and Hetzer production overtook them) and used right until the end of WWII.&lt;br /&gt;
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Generally speaking, the Marders were not very good designs: slow, cumbersome, too tall, too visible and underamoured for their job. They paled in comparison to their bigger cousin, the [[Nashorn]] with its ridiculous kill range or their purposefully-designed brother, the long-barrelled [[Stug III]] with its much lower silouhette and fully enclosed fighting compartment. And yet, they are fondly remembered and served exceptionally well, because for all their &#039;interimness&#039;, they were the right tool at the right time, and up until the very end provided defensive and overwatch fire to the beleagered Wehrmacht.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Marder</title>
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&lt;div&gt;The Marder series of tank destroyers/assault guns were largely a series of obsolete and captured tank chasses that were converted to carry large fuckoff guns. There were three main variants of the Marder, the most recognizable of which is the Marder III.&lt;br /&gt;
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If one thing, the Marder (Marten) series stands testimony to the adaptability of the German industry during WWII. In the early stages of the war, &#039;&#039;Blitzkrieg&#039;&#039; tactics [[rape|wrecked]] other European armies, and the necessity of dedicated &#039;&#039;Panzerjägers&#039;&#039; was not really looked into. Sure, the French heavy B1 Bis and the British Matilda and Churchill were heavy hitters and rough opponents, but they were few in numbers and better organization and communications, higher mobility, [[JU-87 Stuka|some close air support]], or if all else failed [[Flak 88mm|a really big gun]] dealt with those lumbering behemoths just fine. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fast-forward to late 1941: the German armies are advancing toward Moscow, and suddenly their [[/pol/|superior Aryan butts]] [[anal circumference|are getting ravaged]] by the latest Soviet &#039;&#039;üntermensch&#039;&#039; deployment: the [[T-34]]. Faster, better armored and with a gun that allows one to engage both tanks and infantry, it was a superior machine; and there were lots of them! Really, really, really lots of them! Only three things prevented the Russians to stop the Germans for good right there and then: their own winter (yes, the Germans suffered from the exceptional cold, but even more so the Russians), so-so mechanical reliability and fucked-up logistical lines that meant T-34&#039;s couldn&#039;t be deployed optimally but often joined the fight piecemeal, and poorly trained crews unable to play to their machine&#039;s strengths.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fast forward again to 1942: the Germans have stabilized the front and want to go on the offensive again, but they need ways to deal with the always larger amounts of T-34&#039;s coming at them, and they need them like yesterday. But, dedicated solutions like upgunned Panzer IV&#039;s, [[Stug III]]&#039;s and [[Tiger]]s take a lot of time to be manufactured/upgraded, so High Command looks for so-called &#039;&#039;Zwischenlösungen&#039;&#039; or interim solutions in order to keep going. One of these interim solutions were the different models of Marder tank hunters, which married a chassis of an obsolete tank with either a [[PaK-40 Anti-Tank Gun|German 75mm gun]] or a [[Blood Ravens|captured and adapted]] Russian 76mm gun. They were in order:&lt;br /&gt;
*The Marder I was largely developed by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Becker Major Alfred Becker] (an ingenious German guy who liked to make new things out of obsolete ones) and the Alkett weapons firm. They the bright idea to strap a PaK 40 to a French Tracteur Blinde 37L (and a few other light tanks), of which they&#039;d captured a couple hundreds but were otherwise useless. Rushed into service, it was the least efficient version; but it nevertheless offered a more than welcome improvement in mobility for the PaK-40.&lt;br /&gt;
*The Marder II was a branch off of this design, also by Alkett, except it used the Panzer II chassis as base that was more standardized and easier to maintain than captured French materiel. Early versions had rechambered Soviet At-guns, but they were later replaced by the German PaK-40. Decent, but the Panzer II chassis quickly showed its limits.&lt;br /&gt;
*The Marder III was the final in the series and was based on the proven and larger Panzer 38(t) chassis. It gained a reputation for being mechanically reliable and even saw service in Africa. The best version of the three, that was produced until mid-1944 (where Stug and Hetzer production overtook them) and used right until the end of WWII.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Generally speaking, the Marders were not very good designs: slow, cumbersome, too tall, too visible and underamoured for their job. They paled in comparison to their bigger cousin, the [[Nashorn]] with its ridiculous kill range or their purposefully-designed brother, the long-barrelled [[Stug III]] with its much lower silouhette and fully enclosed fighting compartment. And yet, they are fondly remembered and served exceptionally well, because for all their &#039;interimness&#039;, they were the right tool at the right time, and up until the very end provided defensive and overwatch fire to the beleagered Wehrmacht.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Template:German Forces in Flames of War}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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