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		<id>http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Chaos_Chosen&amp;diff=117830</id>
		<title>Chaos Chosen</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;2A02:8071:44BC:AB00:A0FD:DAE4:5468:F90: /* Chosen in 40K */&lt;/p&gt;
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[[File:Chosen Warrior of Tzeentch.jpg|400px|thumbnail|right|[[Tzeentch]] loves his Champions blue.]]&lt;br /&gt;
A mortal being beloved by [[Chaos]], who [[gets shit done]] while at the same time managing to keep their shit together so they don&#039;t [[Chaos Spawn|mutate into something awful]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Chosen in [[Warhammer Fantasy]]==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Chaos Warriors of Khorne.jpg|300px|thumb|left|Just a hint; the Chosen is the biggest, baddest motherfucker in any given lineup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The eyes of the Chaos Gods are always on the mortal world, especially the lands around the collapsed Warp Gates through which Chaos enters the world. Any mortal who pleases the Chaos Gods in some way, from [[Sigvald|killing your father so you can be with your mother and sister before killing them out of boredom]] or [[Arbaal|killing every single thing you see for no reason other than the act of killing]] to [[Heinrich Kemmler|donning a pointy hat]], can catch the interest of the Ruinous Powers and begin to hear their whispers and feel their blessings. Oftentimes they find themselves lead to or chancing upon powerful enchanted items, gaining followers amongst the wandering warbands devoted to the Four, and before you know it they&#039;ve mutated into a giant mass of pulp that was once a sapient creature because they had one too many gold stars put next to their name. Most Chosen come from one of the barbarian tribes, most of whom are clad in heavy armor and possess so much muscle that they would make Arnie look bleak. &lt;br /&gt;
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The more favor they gain and show off their warrior capabilities (being able to slay something really big or prove their tactical capabilities to command), the higher they climb the hierarchical ladder up until they become Chaos Lords themselves, and from there they can either become Daemon Princes, or Chaos Sp...you know wha-wait! No! I didn&#039;t even sa-AAAAARRRGLUGRBERGBLESCREEE!!!&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chosen in 40K==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Chaos Marines.jpg|350px|thumbnail|left|Chosen, almost as inspired and relentless as a child hearing the ice-cream van on a hot day.]]&lt;br /&gt;
A Chosen is a term coined up by [[Chaos Space Marines|Chaos Space Marine]] Legions/Warbands that describes a particularly powerful member of a Legion/Warband and may have roots in a title attributed to Warmaster Horus Lupercal. A Chosen comes in many forms. They may be very experienced warriors that were chosen by their [[Chaos Lord|Chaos Lords]] to lead squads of Chaos Marines into combat, some are literally Chosen by the Chaos Gods (or a single patron) and given &amp;quot;gifts&amp;quot;, others may be powerful Champions that are lesser Chaos Lords serving a more powerful individual...or simply all of those things put together. Whenever the case, all Chosen are characterised by having unholy bling, millennia of hard won experience (stretching back from the days of the Horus Heresy to present days 40K), mutations that are actually useful (this is still up to debate in most situations due to the gods having [[Fun|different moods]]) and sweet wargear.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chaos Chosen usually start as normal Chaos Marines that slowly and steadily advance the hierarchical ladder of their Warband. At first the Chosen either lead the less experienced Chaos Marines like their Loyalist kin do, band together under a more experienced Chosen, or even become at one point members of a Chaos Lord&#039;s (or any other distinguished Chaos Commander&#039;s) retinue, eventually becoming Chaos Lords themselves if they keep up with the villainous heroism/[[Just as Planned]] ploys and piousness/satisfying the [[Chaos Gods]]/patron god (even going so far as becoming [[Daemon Prince|Daemon Princes]] or [[Chaos Spawn|those-whose-names-we-will-not-utter]] if they screw it royally up). Hell, it&#039;s actually possible for any Chaos Marine (even a [[Possessed|Possessed Marine]], a [[Obliterator]]/[[Mutilator]], a [[Chaos Dreadnought|Hellbrute]], you name it) to become one as long as they become better at what they do and show more interest in other forms of warfare.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BrassKnight.jpg|250px|thumbnail|right|Khorne&#039;s Chaos Lords and Chosen in both settings get such nifty gifts like Juggernauts.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Interestingly, Chaos Chosen that want to gain [[Chaos Indomitus Pattern Terminator Armour|Terminator Armour]] need to gain it in different manners as opposed to their Imperial counterparts. Among Chaos Marines, Terminator Armours are limited (unless they have ties with the [[Dark Mechanicus]], and even then these guys are no different from the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] in term of hoarding stuff, so they rarely give the [[Chaos Space Marines|Spiky]] [[Ork|Boyz]] any newly made bling unless they get something valuable, though the Chosen can just directly threaten them too), thus in order for a Chosen to obtain one, they need to take it away from another Chosen either via heavily ritualised combat ([[Khorne|aka: the manly duel to the death]]), or less warrior-like means ([[Tzeentch|good old backstabbing or &amp;quot;a series of unfortunate accidents&amp;quot;]]). Krumping a loyalist Terminator and managing to salvage his armor is also one of the available options open to them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Additionally, Chosen, as mentioned before, have either the favour of all the Chaos Gods, or a single Patron. Thus there are Chosen that are either Undivided, or serve a single Chaos God. Mixes of single god worshipers among Undivided Warbands are as common as those who worship Chaos as a pantheon, and each god gives unique Chaos Gifts to its Chosen. Additionally, Chosen also gain wargear that befits someone that either serves Chaos Undivided or a single patron god.&lt;br /&gt;
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Aside from a single run of figures way back in the Dark Vengeance box set, these guys have never and quite possible will never get a plastic kit. Kitbash solutions vary from beefed-up ubermarines to Chaos special forces - now 8th edition went and made them the backbone of most competitive lists, you might as well get to work on your own. The reveal of the Eldritch Omens boxset means they&#039;re finally getting a proper plastic kit as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Scratch that, new Chosen models are releasing &amp;quot;soon&amp;quot; with the 2022 CSM codex/Nachmund kill team set. &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Chainaxes&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; “Accursed Weapons” ho! &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Of course, knowing GW they&#039;ll be nerfed into the ground come the next &#039;dex...&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Scratch that, chosen are getting 3 wounds and attacks, and options for thunder hammers.&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; How naive. Turns out that Anon was right all along, as Chosen have been given the Tzaangor treatment where[[derp|| every weapon that isn’t a Power Sword will have the same weapon profile as such.]][[fail|| This includes such weapons such as Thunder Hammers, Power Axes, Lightning Claws, and other weapons that are important for customizing a versatile unit like Chaos Chosen.]] (Of note is that Chaos Terminators got the same treatment but somehow kept their powerfists, classic GW rules writing.)&lt;br /&gt;
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image:Eldritch_Omens_Chosen.jpg|&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;You like those lightning claws? Too bad!&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<id>http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Chaos_Terminator&amp;diff=120725</id>
		<title>Chaos Terminator</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;2A02:8071:44BC:AB00:A0FD:DAE4:5468:F90: /* Eighth and 9th Edition: Enhanced Termicide */&lt;/p&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Chaos Terminators&#039;&#039;&#039; are the MORE EVIL AND SPIKIER counterparts of the trusty [[Terminators]] of the [[Imperium of Man]]. They&#039;re sometimes known as Tuskies or Elephants, due to their odd but pretty cool placement of tusks on their helmets; whether they got them from hunting down space elephants or grew them naturally from the [[Warp]] is unknown. They are grizzled veterans who fight wearing the widespread [[Power armour#Chaos Terminator Armour|Tactical Dreadnought Armour]] of the [[Chaos Space Marines]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Overview==&lt;br /&gt;
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Due to either expenses, lack of salvageable tech, or just doctrinal preference, Chaos Terminators surprisingly wield standard [[power weapon]]s far more often than [[Power Fist]]s and [[Chainfist|Chain Fists]], which are THE standard weapon of Loyalist Terminators. In addition, due to corrosive effects of the warp, choleric temperament of their machine spirits, and bastardization with other suits for repairs, Chaos Terminator Armor is incredibly rugged and individualistic; a disturbed reflection of the engineered killer who dons it. The Armor also overwhelmingly dates back to the Horus Heresy including rare patterns like [[Chaos Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour|Cataphractii]] or [[Chaos Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armour|Tartaros]] (Although most wore the infamous [[Chaos Indomitus Pattern Terminator Armour|elephant Chaos Indomitus pattern]] due to cheapness), since producing new suits is stupidly expensive and time-consuming given the Logistic nightmare that is the Eye of Terror. Even then, [[Adeptus Mechanicus|the new suits are often worse than their old beat up suits, as many of their more complex components cannot be replicated anymore]]. Additionally while they have betrayed the Imperium the adepts of the Dark Mechanicus are still tech-priests at heart, and would rather fend off an Imperial Guard regiment with a rusty servo arm, than part with anything more complicated than a boltgun. Hence even if the fallen techpriests managed to restore a Terminator armor to functioning condition, trying to bargain it off them without the backing of a major Chaos figure is a challenge in itself.&lt;br /&gt;
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While not the swiftest of troops as they are motherfucking Terminators, they can (Like their loyalist counterparts] use a [[Land Raider]] to travel across the battlefield to positions which their weaponry will make the best impact. Otherwise they can teleport through the use of arcane technology or sorcerous powers. They often wait for the perfect moment to strike, poised to eliminate the target when at his most vulnerable.&lt;br /&gt;
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They are also among the most favored servants of the Chaos gods. This is mainly due to how Chaos Terminator armor obtained: it is very, &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; unlikely a Chaos champion will simply be granted Terminator armor, even if they have millennia of experience and victories under their belt. The only real way to get a suit is to kill another Terminator, either a veteran of the old war who&#039;s worn it since the Great Crusade (and thus is very proficient in its use), a loyalist Terminator (who would be one of the elites of the chapter), or another chaos champion who managed to swipe and wear it (who has fought life and limb to pry it off someone else and keep it that way for centuries). In either case, any would-be champion able to best the former wearer in combat, drag their corpse into the warp, and somehow stave off the dozen OTHER aspiring champions who would want the armor is a proficient warrior of few equal.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hence, Chaos Terminators enjoy a fair bit of power amongst their warband, many of them have the honor of being in their Chaos Lords&#039; personal retinue and act as their enforcers. A lot of the rank-and-file tend to hate them, as termies tend to abuse their position, but many also see them as goals to strive for, as the wearer of the armor most likely started out as another no-name Chaos marine just like them: there&#039;s nothing stopping anyone from becoming a Chaos Terminator themselves, apart from skill, aspiration, and more luck than most people are granted with in a lifetime in the grim darkness of the far future.&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard Chaos Terminator armament is a [[Combi-Bolter]] and a [[Chainaxe]] which can be upgraded to either a [[Power Axe]], [[Power Maul]], [[Power sword|Power Sword]] or more rarely, a [[Power Fist]] or [[Chainfist]]. In addition, Terminators may also take a [[Reaper Autocannon]] or [[Heavy Flamer]] in place of their [[Combi-Bolter]]. The [[Combi-Bolter]] itself can be configured to function as either a [[Combi-Melta|Combi-Meltagun]], [[Combi-Plasma|Combi-Plasma Gun]] or [[Combi-Flamer]].&lt;br /&gt;
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They can also be equipped with a pair of [[Lightning Claws]] for close combat.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Tabletop==&lt;br /&gt;
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Two general facts about Chaos Terminators: they have always been there since the beginning and they have also always been the premier elites (or equivalent) choice for the Chaos Space Marines. Of note, they are tough, they pack a lot of dakka and they hit hard in close combat. What has always set them apart from their loyalist counterparts is the weaponry loadout and availability with a little help from the dark gods, even back in the Rogue Trader days. There are no assault terminator variants so chaos termies are known for mixing up CC weapon and shooting weapon loadouts, their preferred ranged weapons being the combi-bolter, other combi-weapons and either a heavy flamer or the well-known reaper-autocannon for special weapons. They&#039;re also known for being cheaper than loyalist termies as they pack power weapons default instead of power fists. Second Edition termies were basically the same, sporting higher weapon skills, attacks, wounds and their namesake terminator armour, which back in the day was 3+ on 2d6 back then (no invulnerable). With some deity goodies, they were the go-to support choice albeit on the expensive side and even more so if riding in a Land Raider, their other preferred transport option next to Teleport Attack (aka Deep Striking).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Third Edition Roller-Coaster===&lt;br /&gt;
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Terminators in general took a battering in third edition, especially for chaos. Reason being, deep-striking units could only fire assault weapons when deep-striking (initially, but this was changed later), meaning combi-bolters were unusable for striking termies. Also was the introduction of the 5++ and the reduction of termie statlines down to PAMs with another attack, a better save, deep-striking, the total loss of grenades, no pistols and the ability to move and shoot heavy weapons (unless deep-striking). Termies had to compete hard against Veterans, Berserkers, Thousand Sons, Plague Marines and chaos dreadnoughts in the elites slot, though the first four of these could be shuffled to troops with a choice of HQ. There are also options for cult terminators which were fleshed out more fully in a FAQ, but they pail in comparison to 3.5. Speaking of, that book merged Chosen and Terminators together with terminators being an upgrade to chosen. There&#039;s a lot to say about how awesome and skubtastic this was, but suffice to say that these were some of the earliest roots of what will eventually become Death Guard and Thousand Sons special terminators (and hopefully more to follow). It was also in 3.5 that rules for deep-striking were amended to allow them to shoot any of their weapons - basically, if you can normally move and shoot, you can deep-strike and shoot. Unfortunately, Terminators had to compete with the original, uniquely chaos TEQ in 3.5 - the Obliterators, which GW thought would be great to move into the Elites slot this time around. FWIW, oblits were just flat out better terminators in 3.5 if they could be afforded, though most armies could only take one squad of oblits.&lt;br /&gt;
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===The Age of Termicide: Fourth through Seventh Editions===&lt;br /&gt;
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Basically, 4th edition either nerfed everything in the elites slot for CSM or they were moved out into other slots, leaving them largely as the only viable elites option. This state of affairs persisted for 3 (possibly 4) editions, but 8th is somewhat special. Weirdly enough, termies didn&#039;t change at all (aside from being split off from Chosen, who were arguably the only other serviceable elites choice for CSM) - everything else around them did! Along with the nerfing of CSM units, the rules changed granting termies the ability to shoot their weapons, without penalty, after deep-striking. Which was great - you loaded up your boys with guns, plopped them down (with ease with icons guiding deep strikes) and blast what needs blasting! Combi-plasma was also introduced as a weapon option for termies increasing the punch for a turn of shooting against the Space Marine Meta. Or you could take Combi-meltas if there&#039;s a tank that needs opening or Combi-flamers, but they would need 6th-edition and overwatch to truly make them useful (ACTUALLY, deepstrike a terminator unit with 5 template weapon was devastating even before 6th BUT it was tricky getting into place and very situational).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Eighth and 9th Edition: Enhanced Termicide===&lt;br /&gt;
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Termies got buffed 2 wounds per model, combi bolters are rapid fire 2, other combi weapons are no longer one shot and both profiles can be fired simultaneously. Oh, and they can charge after deep-striking (tricky needing to make 9&amp;quot; on 2d6, but still). Truly, everything got a buff in this edition eventually, but termies are still better than most other choices due to their versatility. They don&#039;t really need any stratagems to make them playable and their pretty scary when they are used on them; they don&#039;t require synergy with the rest of the army but can synergize rather well with them, especially with Termie Lords or Sorcerers.&lt;br /&gt;
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9th edition is still up in the air but given that CSM now have 3 attacks base, it&#039;s not hard to imagine termies getting an upgrade as well. So far, they&#039;re slated to get 3 wounds and attacks, putting them in line with everything else in the elites slot. It seems that termicide might get reined in a bit as there will be limits as to how many of each combi-weapon can be taken per 5 termies.&lt;br /&gt;
It&#039;s worse than we thought; Combi-Weapons have been limited to what&#039;s in the box, same with powerfists and chainfists. Every other melee weapon is now an accursed weapon akin to Chosen.&lt;br /&gt;
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