Editing Ferrus Manus (section)

====Ferrus Manus vs the other Primarchs: Round 2====

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Primarch fighting has significantly changed in the new edition. The sweeping changes to the Weapon Skill system really put those with lower scores at a huge disadvantage. While the changes to universal special rules mean that characters can often bring more attacks (like with Rage and Rampage) or newer tricks (Brutal) to the table that they never could before.

This means that Primarch vs Primarch fighting is more likely to actually resolve itself within the duration of the game, rather than taking turns whittling off small numbers from each other.

Also, because Overwatch Reactions are now done at full ballistic skill, shooting will likely play a more significant role. However, for the sake of brevity, there should be no need to include them unless they make a meaningful difference to the outcome.

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'''Ferrus v. The Lion'''
*Lion with the Lion Sword & Deathwing subtype ''(hits on MC 2+)'': 5.97 hits, 4.97 wounds, '''1.65 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.32 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Lions Choler (+1 attack): 6.81 hits, 5.67 wounds, '''1.89 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.56 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Lions Choler (+2 attacks): 7.64 hits, 6.37 wounds, '''2.12 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.79 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Ferrus Manus ''(hits on MC 5+)'': 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''2.52 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 2.19 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Ferrus wins- not even close, not at any point. With a 3++ save and Brutal(3) hammer, even with the disadvantage of lower WS, those hits that do land will multiply into so many saves that the Lion can't do much about it.
::The Lion Sword negates Feel No Pain, so it hasn't been included.
::If the Lion uses the Wolf Blade and can trigger ''Reaping Blow'', his potential does actually outstrip the Lion Sword, starting out at '''1.91 unsaved wounds''' for 9 attacks, then increased to '''2.12''' and '''2.32''' for Lions Choler. While his damage output is still lower than Ferrus, he can actually win the fight because he has higher initiative, and can total enough damage to kill the Primarch of the Iron Hands before Forgebreaker hits him in the third round. 

'''Ferrus v. Fulgrim'''
*Fulgrim with the Laer Blade ''(Initiative 9, +3 attacks, hits on MC 3+):'' 6.2 hits, 5.17 wounds, '''1.72 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.38 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Fulgrim charging with the Laer Blade '''(Initiative 9, +4 attacks, hits on MC 3+): 6.87 hits, 5.73 wounds, '''1.91 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.57 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Ferrus Manus with Forgebreaker ''(Hits on MC 5+)'': 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''1.85 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.51 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:[[wat|Ferrus Manus wins by a little.]]

'''Ferrus v. Perturabo'''
*Ferrus Manus with Forgebreaker ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 2.71 wounds, '''4.07 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 3.74 at the end of the turn after IWND.
*Perturabo with the Logos Array ''(Hits on 4+):'' 3 hits, 1.5 wounds, '''0.5 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.17 after IWND.

:Fucking yikes. Ferrus Manus wins, and it's a landslide.

'''Ferrus v. The Khan'''
*The Khan with the White Tiger Dao ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.75 hits, 1.88 wounds, '''0.63 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.3 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**The Khan Charging with the White Tiger Dao ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 4.25 hits, 3.54 wounds, '''1.18 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.85 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Ferrus Manus with Forgebreaker ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 2.71 wounds, '''2.71 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.38 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Ferrus Manus wins.

'''Ferrus v. Russ'''
*Russ with the Sword of Balenight: 5.55 hits, 3.70 wounds ''(doubled before saves)'', '''2.46 unsaved wounds''', subtract which is reduced to 2.13 at the end of the next turn thanks to IWND.
**Russ charging with the Sword of Balenight: 6.22 hits, 5.18 wounds ''(doubled before saves)'', '''3.45 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 3.22 at the end of the next turn thanks to IWND.
**Russ using Counter-Attack the Sword of Balenight: 6.88 hits, 4.59 wounds ''(doubled before saves)'', '''3.06 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 2.72 at the end of the next turn thanks to IWND.
*Ferrus Manus: 2.56 hits, 2.13 wounds (tripled before saves), + 0.28 servo-arm wounds, '''3.34 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 3.01 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND
**Ferrus Manus charging: 2.89 hits, 2.41 wounds (tripled before saves), + 0.28 servo-arm wounds, '''3.76 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 3.43 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Ferrus Manus on any turn where Russ has charged (hits on 6+): 1.31 hits, 1.09 wounds (tripled before saves), + 0.14 servo-arm wounds, '''1.71 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.38 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Whoever charges wins.

'''Ferrus v. Dorn'''
*Rogal Dorn with Storm’s Teeth ''(Hits on 3+)'': 4 hits, 3.89 wounds, '''1.30 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.96 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Reaping Blow (+2 attacks): 5.33 hits, 4.74 wounds, '''1.58 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.25 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Ferrus Manus with Forgebreaker ''(Hits on MC 5+)'': 2.56 hits, 1.28 wounds, + 0.16 servo-arm wounds, '''2.01 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.68 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Ferrus Manus wins.
::With Reaping Blow, it's a tie.

'''Ferrus v. Curze'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 5.33 hits, 2.96 wounds, '''0.99 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.66 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 3.33 wounds, '''1.11 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.78 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
*Ferrus Manus with Forgebreaker ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''2.78 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.45 at the end of the turn due to IWND.

:Once again, Brutal (3) manages to take Ferrus Manus to victory.

'''Ferrus v. Sanguinius'''
*Sanguinius with the Blade Encarmine ''(Hits on MC 3+):'' 4.22 hits, 3.16 wounds, '''1.05 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.72 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
**Sanguinius charging with the Blade Encarmine ''(Hits on MC 3+):'' 5.56 hits, 4.17 wounds, '''1.39 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.06 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Ferrus Manus with Forgebreaker ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''2.78 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.45 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
**Ferrus Manus with Forgebreaker ''(vs. charging Sanguinius, hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''1.38 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.05 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Ferrus Manus wins.

'''Ferrus v. Angron'''

'''Ferrus v. Guilliman'''
*Ferrus Manus with Forgebreaker ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 2.71 wounds, '''3.82 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 3.49 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Guilliman with the Hand of Dominion ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.75 hits, 3.13 wounds, '''2.08 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.75 at the end of the turn due to IWND.

:Ferrus Manus wins. Guilliman got out-Brutaled.

'''Ferrus v. Mortarion'''

'''Ferrus v. Magnus'''

'''Ferrus v. Horus'''
*Ferrus with Forgebreaker ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.56 hits, 2.13 wounds + 0.22 servo-arm wounds, '''2.20 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.87 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Horus with Worldbreaker ''(Hits on MC 3+):'' 4.89 hits, 4.08 wounds, '''2.72 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.39 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Horus wins.

'''Ferrus v. Lorgar'''

'''Ferrus v. Vulkan'''

'''Ferrus v. Corax'''

'''Ferrus v. Alpharius'''


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