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====30k Perturabo Vs other Primarchs: Heresy 2.0==== <div class="toccolours mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="100%"> Primarch fighting has significantly changed in the new edition. The sweeping changes to the Weapon Skill system really put those with lower scores at a huge disadvantage. While the changes to universal special rules mean that characters can often bring more attacks (like with Rage and Rampage) or newer tricks (Brutal) to the table that they never could before. This means that Primarch vs Primarch fighting is more likely to actually resolve itself within the duration of the game, rather than taking turns whittling off small numbers from each other. Also, because Overwatch Reactions are now done at full ballistic skill, shooting will likely play a more significant role. However, for the sake of brevity, there should be no need to include them unless they make a meaningful difference to the outcome. <div class="mw-collapsible-content"> '''Perturabo vs. The Lion''' :Lion with the Lion Sword & Deathwing subtype ''(hits on MC 2+)'': 5.97 hits, 4.97 wounds, '''1.65 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.32 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. ::Lions Choler (+1 attack): 6.81 hits, 5.67 wounds, '''1.89 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.56 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. ::Lions Choler (+2 attacks): 7.64 hits, 6.37 wounds, '''2.12 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.79 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(hits on MC 5+)'': 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''1.60 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.27 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Lion wins- the reduction of the Forgebreaker to Brutal (2) allows the Lion to keep ahead of the saves. Unlike the fight with Horus and the Worldbreaker, the Lion is able to pull out the win thanks to Perturabo's lower WS and fewer attacks which means those hits are rarer. '''Perturabo vs. Fulgrim''' :Fulgrim with the Laer Blade ''(Initiative 9, +4 attacks, hits on MC 3+)''. 6.89 hits, 5.74 wounds, '''1.91 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.57 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. ::Fulgrim, charging with the Laer Blade ''(Initiative 10, +5 attacks, hits on MC 3+)'': 7.56 hits, 6.3 wounds, '''2.1 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.76 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 5+)'': 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''1.23 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 0.89 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Fulgrim's 3+ Invulnerable save and extra attacks manage to easily defeat Perturabo. Despite having a 3+ Invulnerable save of his own, the extra attacks granted by Sublime Swordsman overwhelm Perturabo, and put an end to him. '''Perturabo vs. the Khan''' :The Khan with the White Tiger Dao ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.75 hits, 1.88 wounds, '''0.63 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.3 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 5.42 wounds, '''1.80 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.47 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with the Logos Array ''(Hits on 4+):'' 3 hits, 2 wounds, '''0.67 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.34 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo wins. Brutal (2) deals a hell of a lot of damage, and the Khan's lower WS fucks him over. Even with the Logos Array, he barely wins. '''Perturabo vs. Leman Russ''' :Leman Russ with Mjalnar ''(Hits on MC 3+):'' 4.89 hits, 3.26 wounds, '''2.17 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.84 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''1.85 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.52 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Russ wins. '''Perturabo vs. Rogal Dorn''' :Rogal Dorn with Storm’s Teeth ''(Hits on 3+)'': 4 hits, 3.89 wounds, '''1.25 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.96 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 5+)'': 2.22 hits, 1.11 wounds, '''1.11 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.77 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Dorn wins. The changes to the weapon skill system result in Perturabo only hitting Dorn on a 5+. Paired with Dorn's well-fortified armour only being wounded on a 4+, Perturabo's damage potential is gutted from the get-go. Brutal helps him out a bit, but Dorn’s higher initiative and wound count win in the long run. '''Perturabo vs. Curze''' :Konrad Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Glimpse of Death, Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 3.33 wounds, 1.11 unsaved wounds, which is reduced to 0.78 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''1.85 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.52 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo wins, even if Curze decides to use Hit & Run to get to 10 attacks-- Despite having shred, Mercy and Forgiveness just aren't enough to damage Perturabo with his T7 and 3++ Invulnerable Save. '''Perturabo vs. Sanguinius''' :Sanguinius charging with the Blade Encarmine ''(Hits on MC 3+):'' 5.56 hits, 4.17 wounds, '''1.39 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.06 after IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''0.925 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.595 after IWND. :Sanguinius with the Blade Encarmine ''(Hits on MC 3+):'' 4.22 hits, 3.17 wounds, '''1.06 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.73 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''1.85 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.52 after IWND. :Perturabo wins. While Sanguinius wins on the first round of combat, losing his re-rollable invulnerable save in round 2 and onward tanks his durability. '''Perturabo vs. Ferrus Manus''' :Ferrus Manus with Forgebreaker ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 2.71 wounds, '''4.07 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 3.74 at the end of the turn after IWND. :Perturabo with the Logos Array ''(Hits on 4+):'' 3 hits, 1.5 wounds, '''0.5 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.17 after IWND. :Fucking yikes. Ferrus Manus wins, and it's a landslide. '''Perturabo vs. Angron''' :Angron with Gorefather and Gorechild ''(Hits on 3+):'' 6.22 hits, 4.67 wounds, '''1.56 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.23 at the end of the turn due to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 2+):'' 5.14 hits, 4.28 wounds, '''4.28 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 3.95 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo wins. No extra attacks help Angron here-- his Butcher's Nails ability is a complete detriment in this scenario. '''Perturabo vs. Guilliman''' :Guilliman with the Hand of Dominion ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.75 hits, 3.13 wounds, '''2.08 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.71 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 2.71 wounds, '''2.21 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.88 at the end of the turn due to IWND. :Guilliman with the Hand of Dominion ''(Round 2 onward, Hits on MC 4+, Re-rolling 1s):'' 4.25 hits, 3.54 wounds, '''2.36 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.03 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Close, but Guilliman wins in the end due to Calculating Swordsman landing him more hits. '''Perturabo vs. Mortarion''' :Mortarion with Silence ''(Hits on 4+):'' 3 hits, 2 wounds, '''0.67 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.34 at the end of turn due to IWND. :Mortarion with Silence ''(Reaping Blow, Hits on 4+):'' 4 hits, 2.67 wounds, '''0.89 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.56 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 2.71 wounds, '''2.71 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.21 at the end of the turn due to IWND. :Perturabo wins. '''Perturabo vs. Magnus''' :Magnus with Ahn-Nunurta ''(Hits on 4+):'' 3 hits, 2.5 wounds, '''0.83 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.5 at the end of the turn due to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 2.71 wounds, '''2.71 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.38 at the end of the turn due to IWND. :Perturabo wins. '''Perturabo vs. Horus''' :Horus with the Warmaster's Talon ''(Hits on 3+):'' 4.67 hits, 3.50 wounds, '''1.35 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.02 at the end of the turn due to IWND. :Horus with Worldbreaker ''(Hits on MC 3+):'' 4.89 hits, 4.08 wounds, '''2.72 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.39 at the end of the turn due to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''1.23 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.90 at the end of the turn due to IWND. :Horus wins, with his extra attack and higher WS. '''Perturabo vs. Lorgar''' :Lorgar with Illuminarum ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.48 wounds, '''0.99 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.66 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 3+):'' 4.22 hits, 3.52 wounds, '''3.52 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 3.02 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with the Logos Array ''(Hits on 3+):'' 4 hits, 2.67 wounds, '''1.33 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.83 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo wins, even with the Logos Array. '''Perturabo vs. Vulkan''' :Vulkan with Dawnbringer ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 2.71 wounds, '''0.90 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.57 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 2.71 wounds, '''1.81 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.31 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with the Logos Array ''(Hits on 4+):'' 3 hits, 1.5 wounds, '''0.5 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0 at the end of the turn due to IWND. :Perturabo wins with Forgebreaker, [[Fail|but mathematically deals no damage to Vulkan with the Logos Array. ]] '''Perturabo vs. Corax''' :Corax charging with the Panoply of the Raven Lord ''(Hits on 4+):'' 5.5 hits, 3.06 unsaved wounds, '''1.02 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.69 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND :Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 2.71 wounds, '''2.71 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.38 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo with the Logos Array ''(Hits on 4+):'' 3 hits, 2 wounds, '''1 unsaved wound,''' which is reduced to 0.67 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo wins. With the Logos Array, he ''barely'' loses, though he has a chance if Corax fails his Hit & Run tests. '''Perturabo vs. Alpharius''' :Alpharius with the Pale Spear ''(Hits on 4+):'' 3 hits, 1 wound, '''0.33 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND. :Perturabo wins. [[Fail|His higher toughness and invulnerable save cause Alpharius to mathematically deal zero damage to him.]] </div></div>
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