Editing Konrad Curze (section)

====30k Konrad Curze Vs other Primarchs: Heresy 2.0====

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Primarch fighting has significantly changed in the new edition. The sweeping changes to the Weapon Skill system really put those with lower scores at a huge disadvantage. While the changes to universal special rules mean that characters can often bring more attacks (like with Rage and Rampage) or newer tricks (Brutal) to the table that they never could before.

This means that Primarch vs Primarch fighting is more likely to actually resolve itself within the duration of the game, rather than taking turns whittling off small numbers from each other.

Also, because Overwatch Reactions are now done at full ballistic skill, shooting will likely play a more significant role. However, for the sake of brevity, there should be no need to include them unless they make a meaningful difference to the outcome.

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'''Curze vs. The Lion'''
*Lion with the Lion Sword & Deathwing subtype ''(hits on MC3+)'': 4.88 hits, 4.07 wounds, '''2.03 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.70 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND
**Lions Choler +1 attack ''(hits on MC3+)'': 5.55 hits, 4.62 wounds, '''2.31 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.98 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Curze ''(hits on 4+)'': 4 hits, 3 wounds, '''1.25 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 0.92 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Curze charging with Bloody Murder ''(10 attacks, hits on 4+)'': 5 hits, 3.75 wounds, '''1.63 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.29 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Curze using Glimpse of Death ''(+1 attack, hits on 4+)'': 4.5 hits, 3.37 wounds, '''1.43 unsaved wounds''', which is reduced to 1.10 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Lion wins- even though they have the same WS and Initiative, and Curze has an extra attack for two close combat weapons; without any rerolls to hit, half of them are missed, and only wounding on rerollable 4+. By contrast the Lion remains more likely to hit and wound.
::Curze does get better charge bonuses, but still never really overtakes the Lion at any point. If he Hit and Runs each turn, he's only getting shot in the face each turn too.
::If Curze uses the Glimpse of Death, his output does increase, but not by much. Feel No Pain doesn't work against the Lion Sword either. Risking about 41% chance Perils of the Warp for an extra 0.21 wounds hardly seems worth it.
:::If Curze can outnumber the Lion's unit to gain a +1 to-Wound, it increases his <u>base</u> output by 0.27 wounds per turn, without factoring extra attacks.

'''Curze vs. Fulgrim'''
*Fulgrim with the Laer Blade ''(Initiative 9, +2 attacks, hits on MC 4+)'' 4.75 hits, 3.98 wounds, '''1.99 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.65 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Fulgrim, charging with the Laer Blade ''(Initiative 10, +3 attacks, hits on MC 4+)'': 5.25 hits, 4.38 wounds, '''2.19 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.85 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Fulgrim with the Laer Blade vs. Glimpse of Death: 4.75 hits, 3.98 wounds, '''1.0 unsaved wound,''' which is reduced to 0.67 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Konrad Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness (Hits on 4+): 4 hits, 3 wounds, '''1 unsaved wound,''' which is reduced to 0.67 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Konrad Curze with Glimpse of Death: 4.5 hits, 3.38 wounds, '''1.13 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.80 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Fulgrim wins. If Curze uses Glimpse of Death, Curze outdamages Fulgrim, though Curze is on average taking 0.5 wounds per turn from Perils.

'''Curze vs. Perturabo'''
*Konrad Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Glimpse of Death, Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 3.33 wounds, 1.11 unsaved wounds, which is reduced to 0.78 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Perturabo with Forgebreaker Desecrated ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''1.85 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.52 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Perturabo wins, even if Curze decides to use Hit & Run to get to 10 attacks-- Despite having shred, Mercy and Forgiveness just aren't enough to damage Perturabo with his T7 and 3++ Invulnerable Save.

'''Curze vs. The Khan'''
*Jaghatai Khan with the White Tiger Dao ''(Hits on MC 5+)'': 2.56 hits, 1.71 wounds, '''0.86 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.53 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Jaghatai Khan charging with the White Tiger Dao ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.89 hits, 2.41 wounds, '''1.21 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.88 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 5.33 hits, 4 wounds, '''1.33 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.0 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 4.5 wounds, '''1.5 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.17 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:It's even. Whoever passes the most Hit & Run checks wins-- and that's ''slightly'' more likely to be the Khan. Curze outdamages the Khan, but his extra wound helps him out in the end.

'''Curze vs. Leman Russ'''
*Konrad Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 4+):'' 4 hits, 3 wounds, '''1.5 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.17 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Konrad Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 4+):'' 4.5 hits, 3.38 wounds, '''1.69 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.36 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Leman Russ with the Sword of Balenight ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 4.25 hits, 3.54 wounds, '''3.54 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 3.21 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Leman Russ using Counter-Attack with the Sword of Balenight ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 5.25 hits, 4.38 wounds, '''4.38 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 4.05 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Russ wins. Even with Curze's psychic power, Russ negates the majority of Curze's FNPs with his Murderous Strike (4+).

'''Curze vs. Rogal Dorn'''
*Rogal Dorn with Storm’s Teeth ''(Hits on 4+)'': 3 hits, 2.91 wounds, '''1.45 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.11 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Reaping Blow (+2 attacks): 4 hits, 3.89 wounds, '''1.95 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.62 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 4+)'': 4 hits, 3 wounds, '''1.5 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.16 wounds at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Dorn wins; though they look to perform identical amounts of damage, Dorn's extra wound carries the day here. While Glimpse of Death is powerful, Perils of the Warp on average deals 0.5 wounds to Curze each turn if he uses the power every turn. Hit & Run doesn't work, since Dorn counts all charges against him as disordered.

'''Curze vs. Sanguinius'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 4+)'': 4 hits, 3 wounds, '''1.5 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.16 wounds at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Curze charging: 4.5 hits, 3.38 wounds, '''1.69 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.36 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
**Curze vs. Sanguinius charging: 4 hits, 3 wounds, '''0.75 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.42 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Sanguinius with the Blade Encarmine ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.25 hits, 2.89 wounds, '''1.45 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.12 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Sanguinius charging with the Blade Encarmine ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 4.25 hits, 3.78 wounds, '''1.89 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.56 at the end of the turn due to IWND.

:Curze wins with Hit & Run.

'''Curze vs. Ferrus Manus'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 5.33 hits, 2.96 wounds, '''0.99 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.66 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 3.33 wounds, '''1.11 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.78 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
*Ferrus Manus with Forgebreaker ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''2.78 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.45 at the end of the turn due to IWND.

:Once again, Brutal (3) manages to take Ferrus Manus to victory.

'''Curze vs. Angron'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 2+):'' 6.67 hits, 5 wounds, '''2.5 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.17 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 2+):'' 7.5 hits, 5.63 wounds, '''2.82 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.49 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
*Angron with Gorefather and Gorechild ''(Turn 3, +3 Attacks, Hits on re-rollable 4+): 7.5 hits, 6.67 wounds, '''3.33 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 3 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
:Angron wins. Even if Curze uses Glimpse of Death, Angron's chainaxes deal Murderous Strike (3+), negating Curze's FNP.
:S7 on Gorefather and Gorechild as well as Hatred (Everything) manage to win this one for Angron. Curze just doesn't have the defense required to survive Angron's onslaught.

'''Curze vs. Guilliman'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 5.33 hits, 4 wounds, '''1.75 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.42 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 4.5 wounds, '''2 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.67 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
*Guilliman with the Hand of Dominion ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.56 hits, 2.13 wounds, '''2.13 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.80 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Guilliman with the Hand of Dominion ''(Glimpse of Death, Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.56 hits, 2.13 wounds, '''1.07 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.74 at the end of the turn due to IWND.

:Curze wins with Glimpse of Death, due to conferring Feel No Pain (4+).

'''Curze vs. Mortarion'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 5.33 hits, 2.96 wounds, '''1.48 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.98 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 3.33 wounds, '''1.67 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.17 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
*Mortarion with Silence ''(Hits on 5+):'' 2 hits, 1.67 wounds, '''0.83 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.5 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Reaping Blow (+2 Attacks): 2.67 hits, 2.23 wounds, '''1.12 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.79 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Curze wins.
:Mortarion's damage output against Primarchs is so painfully low, it hurts me to do the math for his Primarch duels.

'''Curze vs. Magnus'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 5.33 hits, 4 wounds, '''2 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.67 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 4.5 wounds, '''2.25 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.92 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
*Magnus with Ahn-Nunurta ''(Hits on 5+):'' 2 hits, 1.67 wounds, '''0.83 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.5 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Curze wins.
:Same as Mortarion, [[Fail|just keep Magnus out of melee. please.]]

'''Curze vs. Horus'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 4+):'' 4 hits, 2.22 wounds, '''0.74 wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.41 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness: 4.5 hits, 2.5 wounds, '''0.83 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.5 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Horus with Worldbreaker ''(Hits on MC 4+):'' 3.75 hits, 3.13 wounds, '''3.13 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 2.80 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Horus wins. Even with Shred, Curze struggles to get through Horus's toughness of 7 and 3++ save. Glimpse of Death can keep Curze somewhat safe, but even with Feel No Pain (4+) he takes too much damage to get through the Serpent's Scales.

'''Curze vs. Lorgar'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 5.33 hits, 4 wounds, '''2 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.50 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 4.5 wounds, '''2.25 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.75 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
*Lorgar with Illuminarum ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''1.85 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.52 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Curze wins, but somehow it's close. Illuminarum is a surprisingly powerful melee weapon.

'''Curze vs. Vulkan'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 5.33 hits, 2.96 wounds, '''0.99 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.49 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 3.33 wounds, '''1.11 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.61 at the end of the turn due to IWND.
*Vulkan with Dawnbringer ''(Hits on MC 5+):'' 2.22 hits, 1.85 wounds, '''0.93 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.60 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Vulkan wins, though with Hit and Run it's basically dead even. Curze's offense just isn't enough to get through the Drakescale plate, and with Dawnbringer dealing Instant Death, Glimpse of Death can't save Curze here.

'''Curze vs. Corax'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 5.33 hits, 4 wounds, '''2 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.67 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 4.5 wounds, '''2.25 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.92 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Corax with the Panoply of the Raven Lord ''(Hits on 5+):'' 2.33 hits, 1.75 wounds, '''0.88 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.55 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Corax charging with the Panoply of the Raven Lord ''(Rage (4), Hits on 5+):'' 3.67 hits, 2.75 wounds, '''1.38 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.05 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Curze wins. Corax's lower WS really hurts him here.

'''Curze vs. Alpharius'''
*Curze with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 5.33 hits, 4 wounds, '''2 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.67 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
**Curze charging with Mercy and Forgiveness ''(Hits on 3+):'' 6 hits, 4.5 wounds, '''2.25 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 1.92 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.
*Alpharius with the Pale Spear ''(Hits on 5+):'' 2 hits, 1 wound, '''0.5 unsaved wounds,''' which is reduced to 0.17 at the end of the turn thanks to IWND.

:Curze wins.

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