Editing Drachenfels (section)

==Canon?==
Because the books Drachenfels appeared in were released at the turn of the 90s and the entire setting has been retconned a million times since, Drachenfels conversations within the Warhammer Fantasy community (and on /tg/ especially) tend to garner a fair amount of [[Skub|civilized discussion]]. If these books weren't half as popular as they are, Black Library wouldn't periodically reprint them despite them being so very out of date. It's easier to summarize arguments by category.

'''Drachenfels relies on retconned information.'''
* '''Pro'''
Old Ones in current canon actually created humanity in its current state, so not only is it impossible for him to have preceded them, but there never were neanderthals. Any humans reaching that state have devolved either through Chaos or Necromantic exposure.
* '''Con'''
Many (new) Black Library books continue to reference things from the story, and his castle is still shown on maps in modern army books as well as heraldry books. In addition, the Drachenfels/Genevieve books were kept in print long after the information in them became noncanon, due to their popularity and being regarded as well written. In addition, the Old Ones did not create mankind; they are stated in the 8e Lizardmen book to have uplifted and altered preexisting races/animals (eg; how they made the Saurus). The Old Ones could have done the latter, and then moved their experimented humans batch to pre-Nehekara, as Drachenfels is essentially Warhammer Vandal Savage.

'''Drachenfels was replaced by [[Nagash]]'''
* '''Pro'''
Nagash indeed has taken the role of Drachenfels as a mortal undead tied into the backstory of the Empire who is a threat to every single faction in the game. It helps that Nagash was always credited with the invention of the widespread version of necromancy while Drachenfels wasn't.
* '''Con'''
That's like saying [[Malekith]] and [[Mannfred von Carstein|Mannfred]] are noncanon because Nagash fulfills the role of big non-Chaos baddie. Also Drachenfels was never credited with inventing Necromancy as a school of magic, just prolonging his own lifespan. Drachenfels can be considered the Vandal Savage to Nagash's General Zod.

'''"He declared the Chaos Gods to be his subordinates, and demanded tribute of Daemon forces periodically afterwards. They hastily obliged each time."? That's fucking stupid.'''

* '''Pro'''
Yeah, that's a pretty glaring example of being a Villain Sue. They should at least explain what he is/how he works to the fanbase.

* '''Con'''
That doesn't make it noncanon. In addition, making the Chaos Gods win simply by virtue of the fact they're Chaos Gods is part of the argument that Games Workshop tends to Mary Sue the entire Chaos faction. There's no reason there can't be an evil force stronger than them - hell, [[Malal]] was an official thing back then too. Also, the idea that Drachenfels is better than the Chaos Gods could only be true in the eyes of Drachenfels himself given his arrogance. Considering it was just after the Warp Gates collapsed and we have no knowledge as to how powerful the chaos gods were at that time, they may have ruled the warp already but that doesn't automatically mean that they were as powerful as we know them to be by the End Times. Also, the Chaos Gods are basically just daemons who are considered gods by virtue of being the most powerful of their kind, and we know from other examples that daemons are vulnerable to having their true names spoken. Given his age, it's not unreasonable that Drachenfels could have learned the gods' true names right after they first formed and then used the knowledge to compel them.