Editing Sanguinius (section)

====Sanguinius VS Other Primarchs====
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Primarch fighting, while fun to see, isn't a very competitive thing to do as it'll usually tie up both Primarchs for the entire game without either of them dying. With that in mind this section is all about how Sanguinius fares against other Primarchs mathhammer wise. Please note that all the various abilities, with the exception of Blind, are taken into account (Blind is ignored because it is just too random and unreliable to come into play) and the match-ups assume the Primarchs are the only ones involved in the fighting, so various abilities like Angron's "The Butcher's Nails" and Rampage do not provide any bonuses. Also all of the Primarch use their most powerful weapons (because why have a contest if you don't do your best?), so Sanguinius will use the Blade Encarmine except against Angron. Furthermore the math is based on a standing start, which severely gimps Sanguinius as many of his buffs are on the charge.
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* Sanguinius VS Horus
**Horus hits 3 times (Talon), wounds 2.667 times, 1.33 after saves and IWND will take that down to 1 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Blade), wounds 4.148 times, 1.383 after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.049 wounds at the start of the next turn.
***Sanguinius on the charge: hits 5.333 times, wounds 5.574 times (including HoW), 1.858 after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.525 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times, wounds 3.556 times, 1.185 after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.852 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Horus wins. Even if Sanguinius gets the charge, the Talon will cripple him in a couple of turns.

* Sanguinius VS Angron
**Angron Round 1: hits 4.5 times, wounds 3.75 times, 1.875 after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.54 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Angron Round 2: hits 3 times, wounds 2.5 times, 1.25 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.917 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4 times (Spear), wounds 2.667 times, 1.333 after saves and IWND will take that down to 1 wound at the start of the next turn.
***Sanguinius on the charge: hits 4.5 times, wounds 5.333 times (including HoW), 2.528 after saves and FNP (HoW affected) and IWND will take that down to 2.194 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Sanguinius Round 2+: 3.5 times, wounds 2.333 times, 1.167 after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.833 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**They kill each other. Well well!
**Note: On the charge Sanguinius wins with the Spear while achieving a mutual kill with the Blade. Negating Angron's FNP makes the Spear the better weapon.

* Sanguinius VS Mortarion
** Mortarion hits 2.5 times, wounds 1.667 times, 0.833 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.5 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Blade), wounds 3.5 times, 1.75 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.194 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 5.333 times, wounds 4.833 times (including HoW), 2.417 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.861 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times, wounds 3 times, 1.5 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.944 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius wins.

* Sanguinius VS Fulgrim
**Fulgrim Round 1: hits 3 times (Fireblade), wounds 2.333 times (Child of Terra), 1.167 after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.833 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Fulgrim Round 2: hits 3.5 times, wounds 2.722 times, 1.361 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.028 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Blade), wounds 4.148 times, 1.383 after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.049 wounds at the start of the next turn.
***Sanguinius on the charge: hits 5.333 times, wounds 5.574 times (including HoW), 1.859 after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.525 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times, wounds 3.556 times, 1.185 after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.852 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Sanguinius loses (!) as Fulgrim has a chance of killing him in round 5 (5.94 wounds average), and even if not Fulgrim has the higher initiative in round 6.
**Note: On the charge Sanguinius can beat Fulgrim by round 5 (5.93 wounds average) while lowering Fulgrim's own chances, but if he doesn't Fulgrim wins.

* Sanguinius VS Ferrus Manus
** Ferrus hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.083 times, 1.042 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.708 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Blade), wounds 3.5 times, 1.167 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.833 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 5.333 times, wounds 4.833 times (including HoW), 1.611 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.278 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times, wounds 3 times, 1 wound after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.667 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius loses, needing 8 rounds whereas Ferrus needs 7.
** Note: On Sanguinius' charge the odds are reversed, with Sanguinius needing 7 rounds whereas Ferrus needs 8.

* Sanguinius VS Curze
** Curze hits 3 times, wounds 2.25 times, 1.125 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.792 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Blade), wounds 4.148 times, 2.074 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.741 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 5.333 times, wounds 5.574 times (including HoW), 2.787 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 2.454 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times, wounds 3.556 times, 1.778 wound after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.444 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius wins.
** Note: With the first turn charge, Widowmakers and H&R Curze can achieve a mutual kill in Round 4, however Sanguinius regaining +1I and +1A in Round 3 lets him do 5.89 wounds average ''before Curze attacks'', so things could go badly for the Batman.

* Sanguinius VS Vulkan
** Vulkan hits 2 times, wounds 1.667 times, 0.833 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.5 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Blade), wounds 3.5 times, 1.167 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.611 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 5.333 times, wounds 4.833 times (including HoW), 1.611 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.056 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times, wounds 3 times, 1 wound after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.444 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius loses.
** Note: As with Ferrus, Sanguinius wins on the charge.

* Sanguinius VS Lorgar
** Lorgar hits 3 times, wounds 2.5 times, 1.25 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.917 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 3.889 times (assuming Lorgar uses Dark Fortune), wounds 2.881 times, 1.44 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.107 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 4.444 times (assuming Lorgar uses Dark Fortune), wounds 3.959 times (including HoW), 1.979 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.646 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times, wounds 3.556 times, 1.778 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.444 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius wins.
** Note: As usual, psychic powers not included. You know how it would end anyway...

* Sanguinius VS Perturabo
** Perturabo hits 2 times, wounds 1.667 times (Forgebreaker), 0.833 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.5 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Perturabo (with Sanguinius blinded) hits 2.667 times, wounds 2.222 times (Forgebreaker), 1.111 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.778 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Blade), wounds 4.148 times, 1.383 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.049 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 5.333 times, wounds 4.833 times (including HoW), 1.611 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.056 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times, wounds 3.556 times, 1.185 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.852 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius (blinded): hits 2 times, wounds 1.778 times, 0.593 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.259 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius loses depending if/when he fails blind checks, even on the charge. He needs to not be Blinded for 2-3 rounds excluding the first to win.

* Sanguinius VS Rogal Dorn
** Dorn hits 2 times, wounds 1.5 times, 0.75 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.417 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Blade), wounds 4.148 times, 2.074 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.741 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 5.333 times, wounds 5.407 times (HoW affected by Auric Armour), 2.704 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 2.37 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times, wounds 3.556 times, 1.778 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.444 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius wins.

* Sanguinius VS Corvus Corax
** Corax hits 4 times (Scourge)/3 times (Shadow-walk), wounds 3/2.25 times, 1.5/1.125 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.167/0.792 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Scourge)/3.5 times (Shadow-walk), wounds 4.148/3.111 times, 2.765/2.074 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 2.432/1.741 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 4.667 times (Scourge)/3.5 times (Shadow-walk), wounds 4.981 times/3.944 times (including HoW), 3.321/2.63 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 2.988/2.296 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times (Scourge)/3 times (Shadow-walk), wounds 3.556/2.667 times, 2.37/1.778 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 2.037/1.444 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius wins, even if Corax Hit & Runs.

* Sanguinius VS Alpharius
** Alpharius hits 2.667 times, wounds 1.701 times, 0.851 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.517 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Blade), wounds 4.148 times, 2.074 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.741 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 5.333 times, wounds 5.574 times (including HoW), 2.788 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 2.454 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times, wounds 3.556 times, 1.778 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.444 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius wins.

* Sanguinius VS Roboute Guilliman
** Guilliman Rounds 1-3: hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.222 times (Gladius), 1.111 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.778 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Guilliman Round 4: hits 3.333 times, wounds 2.963 times (Gladius)/2.778 times (Hand), 1.481/1.389 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.148/1.056 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Blade), wounds 4.148 times, 1.824 wounds after saves (including AoR) and IWND will take that down to 1.491 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 5.333 times, wounds 5.574 times (including HoW), 2.537 wounds after saves (including AoR) and IWND will take that down to 2.204 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2: hits 4 times, wounds 3.556 times, 1.528 wounds after saves (including AoR) and IWND will take that down to 1.194 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 3+: hits 3 times, wounds 2.667 times, 1.083 wounds after saves (including AoR) and IWND will take that down to 0.75 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius wins.

* Sanguinius VS Magnus the Red
** Magnus hits 2 times, wounds 1.667 times, 0.833 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.5 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 3.5 times (Blade), wounds 3.111 times, 1.556 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.222 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 4 times, wounds 4.389 times (including HoW), 2.194 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.861 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 3 times, wounds 2.667 times, 1.333 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1 wound at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius wins, psychic powers not included.

* Sanguinius VS Leman Russ
** Russ (Axe): hits 3.5 times, wounds 2.917 times, 1.458 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.125 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 2.333 times (Blade), wounds 1.778 times, 1.037 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.703 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 2.667 times, wounds 3.204 times (including HoW), 1.602 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.269 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 2 times, wounds 1.778 times, 0.889 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.556 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius loses. Even if he charges, he's gimped badly in the later rounds by the -1 to hit.

* Sanguinius VS Jaghatai Khan
** Khan hits 4 times, wounds 2 times, 1 wound after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.667 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 1: hits 4.667 times (Blade), wounds 3.5 times, 1.167 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.833 wounds at the start of the next turn.
*** Sanguinius on the charge: hits 5.333 times, wounds 4.833 times (including HoW), 1.611 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.278 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius Round 2+: hits 4 times, wounds 3 times, 1 wound after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.667 wounds at the start of the next turn.
** Sanguinius narrowly loses due to the Khan striking first.
** With the charge Sanguinius will beat the Khan even if he Hit & Runs.

* TL;DR version: Sanguinius is (un?)surprisingly middling in the duels, the main reason being his bonuses requiring the charge. In fairness, he is mobile enough to get it. His various charge bonuses significantly improve his damage, but more importantly rerolling his saves just once boosts his average (for a Primarch) defense, which is why he distinctly has the charge situation crunched.
* On the choice of weapons: The Spear of Telesto's damage skyrockets on the charge, but due to the length of primarch duels the Blade Encarmine overtakes it in a few rounds, especially against 3++. The exception is Angron who is really hurt by Instant Death.
* Note: The Angel's Wrath Rite of War gives Sanguinius Hit & Run. With that and the Spear of Telesto, Sanguinius should be able to beat most primarchs. The exceptions are Precog Lorgar and Horus, with Ferrus, Perturabo and Lion close (good defense and varying abilities to neuter H&R).
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