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		[[Image:Women are weak.JPG\|thumb\|-4 Str Git Bak In Teh Kitchen1!!]]

		'''-4 Str''' is a [[meme]] and [[Troll\|trollbait]] from [[/tg/]]. The term is used as a shorthand way of saying that all women -- especially [[adventurers]] -- are significantly weaker than men, and ought to take a -4 modifier to their [[Stat\|strength]] score.

		==History==
		Though its origins are shrouded in mystery, some evidence has come along to point to -4 Str's beginnings, or at least a very similar concept.
		:An oldfag says: ''"This meme is at least as old as 1978. Check page 15 of [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|1st ed. AD&D]]: a table for racial min/max for each stat and gender, but the only real difference is -1 Str for femme [[Dwarf\|Dwarves]], -2 Str for femme [[Elf\|Elves]], -3 Str for femme [[Gnome]]s and [[Halfling]]s. All the other stats -- Int, Wis, Dex, Con, Chr -- are the same for both genders. Cue bashing of [[Gary Gygax]]."''

		There ''are'' other differences than the list above, like female humans only getting up to 18/50 Strength where male humans can reach the max cap of 18/100.

		Most systems aren't stupid enough to try something similar. Not even [[GURPS]], though it does suggest those who are married to "realism" can sell off or forego buying one or two points of ST. Amusingly, this gives you exactly the points needed to purchase the "Common Sense" advantage.

		==See Also:==
		*[[Katanas are Underpowered in d20#Women are Underpowered in D20\|Women are Underpowered in d20]]
		*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_records_in_athletics List of world records in athletics]

		==Gallery==
		<gallery>
		Image:-4_Strength.JPG\|A wild musclegirl appears! Wat do?
		Image:AD&D page16.png\|1st Ed D&D; the origin of the meme?
		Image:Minus4strbanned.png\|Who says there are no [[mods]] in /tg/?
		File:1230052783344.png\|I bet 30 internetz that she couldn't do this without the power armor. That, and a Space Marine is even stronger (true, but Space Marines also have much more genetic modifications).
		</gallery>

		[[Category:Meme]]

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	~~[[Image:Women are weak.JPG\|thumb\|-4 Str Git Bak In Teh Kitchen1!!]]~~

	'''-4 Str''' is a [[meme]] and [[Troll\|trollbait]] from [[/tg/]]. The term is used as a shorthand way of saying that all women -- especially [[adventurers]] -- are significantly weaker than men, and ought to take a -4 modifier to their [[Stat\|strength]] score.

	~~==History==~~
	~~Though its origins are shrouded in mystery, some evidence has come along to point to -4 Str's beginnings, or at least a very similar concept.~~
	:An oldfag says: ''"This meme is at least as old as 1978. Check page 15 of [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|1st ed. AD&D]]: a table for racial min/max for each stat and gender, but the only real difference is -1 Str for femme [[Dwarf\|Dwarves]], -2 Str for femme [[Elf\|Elves]], -3 Str for femme [[Gnome]]s and [[Halfling]]s. All the other stats -- Int, Wis, Dex, Con, Chr -- are the same for both genders. Cue bashing of [[Gary Gygax]]."''

	~~There ''are'' other differences than the list above, like female humans only getting up to 18/50 Strength where male humans can reach the max cap of 18/100.~~

	Most systems aren't stupid enough to try something similar. Not even [[GURPS]], though it does suggest those who are married to "realism" can sell off or forego buying one or two points of ST. Amusingly, this gives you exactly the points needed to purchase the "Common Sense" advantage.

	~~==See Also:==~~
	*[[Katanas are Underpowered in d20#Women are Underpowered in D20\|Women are Underpowered in d20]]
	*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_records_in_athletics List of world records in athletics]

	~~==Gallery==~~
	~~<gallery>~~
	~~Image:-4_Strength.JPG\|A wild musclegirl appears! Wat do?~~
	~~Image:AD&D page16.png\|1st Ed D&D; the origin of the meme?~~
	~~Image:Minus4strbanned.png\|Who says there are no [[mods]] in /tg/?~~
	File:1230052783344.png\|I bet 30 internetz that she couldn't do this without the power armor. That, and a Space Marine is even stronger (true, but Space Marines also have much more genetic modifications).
	~~</gallery>~~

	~~[[Category:Meme]]~~

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	There ''are'' other differences than the list above, like female humans only getting up to 18/50 Strength where male humans can reach the max cap of 18/100.		There ''are'' other differences than the list above, like female humans only getting up to 18/50 Strength where male humans can reach the max cap of 18/100.

			Most systems aren't stupid enough to try something similar. Not even [[GURPS]], though it does suggest those who are married to "realism" can sell off or forego buying one or two points of ST. Amusingly, this gives you exactly the points needed to purchase the "Common Sense" advantage.

	==See Also:==		==See Also:==

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	[[Image:Women are weak.JPG\|thumb\|-4 Str Git Bak In Teh Kitchen1!!]]		[[Image:Women are weak.JPG\|thumb\|-4 Str Git Bak In Teh Kitchen1!!]]

	'''-4 Str''' is a [[meme]] and [[Troll\|trollbait]] from [[/tg/]]. The term is used as a shorthand way of saying that all women -- especially [[adventurers]] -- are significantly weaker than men, and ought to take a -4 modifier to their [[Stat\|strength]] score. One can guarantee that by invoking these words, a [[musclegirl]] image dump or a stupid argument on whether or not real-life sexual dimorphism is significant enough to stat out will ensue (sometimes both).		'''-4 Str''' is a [[meme]] and [[Troll\|trollbait]] from [[/tg/]]. The term is used as a shorthand way of saying that all women -- especially [[adventurers]] -- are significantly weaker than men, and ought to take a -4 modifier to their [[Stat\|strength]] score.

	==History==		==History==
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	*[[Katanas are Underpowered in d20#Women are Underpowered in D20\|Women are Underpowered in d20]]		*[[Katanas are Underpowered in d20#Women are Underpowered in D20\|Women are Underpowered in d20]]
	*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_records_in_athletics List of world records in athletics]		*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_records_in_athletics List of world records in athletics]
	*Comparable weight classes in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_Olympic_weightlifting list of world records in weightlifting]

	==Gallery==		==Gallery==
	<gallery>		<gallery>
	~~Image:No -4 STR.jpg\|"ah-ha-ha-ha NO.(Though hers is a display of agility...)"~~
	Image:-4_Strength.JPG\|A wild musclegirl appears! Wat do?		Image:-4_Strength.JPG\|A wild musclegirl appears! Wat do?
	~~Image:-4strbawwderp.JPG\|A popular image for posting in -4 str threads.~~
	Image:AD&D page16.png\|1st Ed D&D; the origin of the meme?		Image:AD&D page16.png\|1st Ed D&D; the origin of the meme?
	Image:Minus4strbanned.png\|Who says there are no [[mods]] in /tg/?		Image:Minus4strbanned.png\|Who says there are no [[mods]] in /tg/?

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	[[Image:Women are weak.JPG\|thumb\|-4 Str Git Bak In Teh Kitchen1!!]]		[[Image:Women are weak.JPG\|thumb\|-4 Str Git Bak In Teh Kitchen1!!]]

	'''-4 Str''' is a [[meme]] and [[Troll\|trollbait]] from [[/tg/]]. The term is used as a shorthand way of saying that all women -- especially [[adventurers]] -- are significantly weaker than men, and ought to take a -4 modifier to their [[Stat\|strength]] score. One can guarantee that by invoking these words, a [[musclegirl]] image dump or a stupid argument on whether or not real-life sexual dimorphism is significant enough to stat out will ensue (sometimes both)~~. In any case, it's not worth taking seriously, whether the offending (haw) poster [[/pol/\|actually thinks it should be]] or not~~.		'''-4 Str''' is a [[meme]] and [[Troll\|trollbait]] from [[/tg/]]. The term is used as a shorthand way of saying that all women -- especially [[adventurers]] -- are significantly weaker than men, and ought to take a -4 modifier to their [[Stat\|strength]] score. One can guarantee that by invoking these words, a [[musclegirl]] image dump or a stupid argument on whether or not real-life sexual dimorphism is significant enough to stat out will ensue (sometimes both).

	==History==		==History==

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	==History==		==History==
	Though its origins are shrouded in mystery, some evidence has come along to point to -4 Str's beginnings, or at least a very similar concept.		Though its origins are shrouded in mystery, some evidence has come along to point to -4 Str's beginnings, or at least a very similar concept.
	:An oldfag says: ''"This meme is at least as old as 1978. Check page 15 of [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|1st ed. AD&D]]: a table for racial min/max for each stat and gender, but the only real difference is -1 Str for femme [[Dwarf\|Dwarves]], -2 Str for femme [[Elf\|Elves]], -3 Str for femme [[Gnome]]s and [[Halfling]]s. All the other stats -- Int, Wis, Dex, Con, Chr -- are the same for both genders. Cue ~~feminazi~~ bashing of [[Gary Gygax]]."''		:An oldfag says: ''"This meme is at least as old as 1978. Check page 15 of [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|1st ed. AD&D]]: a table for racial min/max for each stat and gender, but the only real difference is -1 Str for femme [[Dwarf\|Dwarves]], -2 Str for femme [[Elf\|Elves]], -3 Str for femme [[Gnome]]s and [[Halfling]]s. All the other stats -- Int, Wis, Dex, Con, Chr -- are the same for both genders. Cue bashing of [[Gary Gygax]]."''

	There ''are'' other differences than the list above, like female humans only getting up to 18/50 Strength where male humans can reach the max cap of 18/100.		There ''are'' other differences than the list above, like female humans only getting up to 18/50 Strength where male humans can reach the max cap of 18/100.

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	:An oldfag says: ''"This meme is at least as old as 1978. Check page 15 of [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|1st ed. AD&D]]: a table for racial min/max for each stat and gender, but the only real difference is -1 Str for femme [[Dwarf\|Dwarves]], -2 Str for femme [[Elf\|Elves]], -3 Str for femme [[Gnome]]s and [[Halfling]]s. All the other stats -- Int, Wis, Dex, Con, Chr -- are the same for both genders. Cue feminazi bashing of [[Gary Gygax]]."''		:An oldfag says: ''"This meme is at least as old as 1978. Check page 15 of [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|1st ed. AD&D]]: a table for racial min/max for each stat and gender, but the only real difference is -1 Str for femme [[Dwarf\|Dwarves]], -2 Str for femme [[Elf\|Elves]], -3 Str for femme [[Gnome]]s and [[Halfling]]s. All the other stats -- Int, Wis, Dex, Con, Chr -- are the same for both genders. Cue feminazi bashing of [[Gary Gygax]]."''

	There ''are'' other differences than the list above, like female humans only getting up to 18/50 Strength where male humans can reach the max cap of 18/00.		There ''are'' other differences than the list above, like female humans only getting up to 18/50 Strength where male humans can reach the max cap of 18/100.

	==See Also:==		==See Also:==

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	Image:AD&D page16.png\|1st Ed D&D; the origin of the meme?		Image:AD&D page16.png\|1st Ed D&D; the origin of the meme?
	Image:Minus4strbanned.png\|Who says there are no [[mods]] in /tg/?		Image:Minus4strbanned.png\|Who says there are no [[mods]] in /tg/?
	File:1230052783344.png\|I bet 30 internetz that she couldn't do this without the power armor. That, and a Space Marine is even stronger (true, but Space Marines also have much more modifications).		File:1230052783344.png\|I bet 30 internetz that she couldn't do this without the power armor. That, and a Space Marine is even stronger (true, but Space Marines also have much more genetic modifications).
	</gallery>		</gallery>

	[[Category:Meme]]		[[Category:Meme]]

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	Image:AD&D page16.png\|1st Ed D&D; the origin of the meme?		Image:AD&D page16.png\|1st Ed D&D; the origin of the meme?
	Image:Minus4strbanned.png\|Who says there are no [[mods]] in /tg/?		Image:Minus4strbanned.png\|Who says there are no [[mods]] in /tg/?
	File:1230052783344.png\|I bet 30 internetz that she couldn't do this without the power armor. That, and a Space Marine is even stronger.		File:1230052783344.png\|I bet 30 internetz that she couldn't do this without the power armor. That, and a Space Marine is even stronger (true, but Space Marines also have much more modifications).
	</gallery>		</gallery>

	[[Category:Meme]]		[[Category:Meme]]