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	These would be blade blanks not daggers, as daggers have wooden handles. Requiring more work than this accounts for and material cost. So you could fabricate the metal into 1lb ingots and sell those. If your DM is down with this level of shenaniganary, you might even get more for this by selling to places that otherwise can not easily obtain large quantities of metal.		These would be blade blanks not daggers, as daggers have wooden handles. Requiring more work than this accounts for and material cost. So you could fabricate the metal into 1lb ingots and sell those. If your DM is down with this level of shenaniganary, you might even get more for this by selling to places that otherwise can not easily obtain large quantities of metal.
	* You can make a dagger '''entirely''' of metal, [https://img.wattpad.com/ac159d963e413c1618beca28716bdd8cf509945c/68747470733a2f2f73332e616d617a6f6e6177732e636f6d2f776174747061642d6d656469612d736572766963652f53746f7279496d6167652f333561634b69744a39616c5a36513d3d2d3333343630363633302e313438383165323362383131623837353239383230333437313635392e6a7067?s=fit&w=720&h=720 including] [https://cs5.livemaster.ru/storage/87/2a/d582f83ed62f9df458fc97dd80e4--fen-shuj-i-ezoterika-tselnokovannyj-oberezhnyj-nozh.jpg metal] [https://cdnmedia.220-volt.ru/content/products/617/617864/images/original/_/1.jpeg handle]. Metal has bigger structural integrity per-weight than wood - so, metal handle can be made lighter than wooden handle, for same functionality; and metal costs more than wood, obviously. Therefore, not only are those ''actual daggers'' (not ingots) - but they ''are ~~simultaneously~~ lighter than semi-wooden daggers and cost more per-dagger''; as such, you can make even more daggers than usually thought, ''and'' daggers are of higher quality (as they are of lightweight, convenient kind).		* You can make a dagger '''entirely''' of metal, [https://img.wattpad.com/ac159d963e413c1618beca28716bdd8cf509945c/68747470733a2f2f73332e616d617a6f6e6177732e636f6d2f776174747061642d6d656469612d736572766963652f53746f7279496d6167652f333561634b69744a39616c5a36513d3d2d3333343630363633302e313438383165323362383131623837353239383230333437313635392e6a7067?s=fit&w=720&h=720 including] [https://cs5.livemaster.ru/storage/87/2a/d582f83ed62f9df458fc97dd80e4--fen-shuj-i-ezoterika-tselnokovannyj-oberezhnyj-nozh.jpg metal] [https://cdnmedia.220-volt.ru/content/products/617/617864/images/original/_/1.jpeg handle]. Metal has bigger structural integrity per-weight than wood - so, metal handle can be made lighter than wooden handle, for same functionality; and metal costs more than wood, obviously. Therefore, not only are those ''actual daggers'' (not ingots) - but they ''are lighter than semi-wooden daggers, and may cost more per-dagger''; as such, you can make even more daggers than usually thought, ''and'' daggers are of higher quality (as they are of lightweight, convenient kind).
	* Additionally, you may assemble huge pile of scrap wood, or cut tree, or something similar. Scrap wood and similar materials are seemingly free (e.g. Club, Quarterstaff and Sling are free), and are commonly found anywhere. When fabricating daggers, metal is taken from Wall Of Iron, and wood is taken out of wood pile; since part of dagger's weight is iron and part is wood, so you can make more daggers from single Wall Of Iron than previously thought. Pieces of cloth, leather, plant matter (like dry grass), and many other on-hand materials can also be used.		* Additionally, you may assemble huge pile of scrap wood, or cut tree, or something similar. Scrap wood and similar materials are seemingly free (e.g. Club, Quarterstaff and Sling are free), and are commonly found anywhere. When fabricating daggers, metal is taken from Wall Of Iron, and wood is taken out of wood pile; since part of dagger's weight is iron and part is wood, so you can make more daggers from single Wall Of Iron than previously thought. Pieces of cloth, leather, plant matter (like dry grass), and many other on-hand materials can also be used.

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	:::::''Now for what this has to do with the economics of trying to sell infinite daggers in an infinite multiverse. In an infinite multiverse, infinite someones have already come up with this scheme and tried, using the money produced by it, to scale it up infinitely across the infinite multiverse with infinite time before you arrived. This infinite time for infinite scale-up across infinite universes should be a much larger infinity then the infinite number of universes. Thus the cost of daggers in the infinite multiverse should have gone to the tiniest fraction above zero already, with the infrastructure necessary to bring it to zero anywhere at a moments notice to cut in on new upstarts trying to get into the game already managed by the (infinitely) old rackets. Thus, if you are currently playing in a universe where daggers aren't already all-but-free there is only one possible explanation: the gods (and/or whatever else governs and makes rules for the universe you are in) thought the infinite dagger rackets were dumb and struck a deal with them: these rackets would stay the hell out of their universe (fine by them, there are infinite other universes where they can still run their business(es)) in trade for keeping any n00bs from starting up this BS from scratch in the universe or turning said n00bs over to these infinite multiverse-wide dagger making mafia. Thus, the second you start up this BS practice in a universe where daggers are not already all-but-free, the gods (or whatever) governing your universe have to make good on their deal to the infinite dagger rackets of the infinite multiverse and turn you over to them. These rackets meanwhile have had infinite time and resources to prepare for you, as well as the infinite number of other infinitely late upstarts who think they are so clever and new but are actually infinitely behind the curve. As such, you are in big trouble. Trouble that has command over literally anything that can be bought for any sum of money across all the infinite multiverse to deal with and make an example of you that will be infinitely memorable for all times and places of infinity. You would have been better off if you had just done something safer like merely mortally offended the entirety of the pantheon in your own universe.		:::::''Now for what this has to do with the economics of trying to sell infinite daggers in an infinite multiverse. In an infinite multiverse, infinite someones have already come up with this scheme and tried, using the money produced by it, to scale it up infinitely across the infinite multiverse with infinite time before you arrived. This infinite time for infinite scale-up across infinite universes should be a much larger infinity then the infinite number of universes. Thus the cost of daggers in the infinite multiverse should have gone to the tiniest fraction above zero already, with the infrastructure necessary to bring it to zero anywhere at a moments notice to cut in on new upstarts trying to get into the game already managed by the (infinitely) old rackets. Thus, if you are currently playing in a universe where daggers aren't already all-but-free there is only one possible explanation: the gods (and/or whatever else governs and makes rules for the universe you are in) thought the infinite dagger rackets were dumb and struck a deal with them: these rackets would stay the hell out of their universe (fine by them, there are infinite other universes where they can still run their business(es)) in trade for keeping any n00bs from starting up this BS from scratch in the universe or turning said n00bs over to these infinite multiverse-wide dagger making mafia. Thus, the second you start up this BS practice in a universe where daggers are not already all-but-free, the gods (or whatever) governing your universe have to make good on their deal to the infinite dagger rackets of the infinite multiverse and turn you over to them. These rackets meanwhile have had infinite time and resources to prepare for you, as well as the infinite number of other infinitely late upstarts who think they are so clever and new but are actually infinitely behind the curve. As such, you are in big trouble. Trouble that has command over literally anything that can be bought for any sum of money across all the infinite multiverse to deal with and make an example of you that will be infinitely memorable for all times and places of infinity. You would have been better off if you had just done something safer like merely mortally offended the entirety of the pantheon in your own universe.

			::::::''First, there are an equal number of natural numbers and rational numbers. Second, any individual person pulling this trick would only be able to create finitely-many daggers and sell them to finitely-many worlds. Thirdly, assuming time stretches infinitely backwards across the multiverse, it is just as probable that you will be able to pull off the trick as it was for any other previous individual. Fourthly, there would be no reason to set up an entire racket for this trick (only so-much wealth is needed before there's nothing more to spend it on), and doing so would just make it work worse: the more gold you bring into a universe, the less valuable that gold will be. At a certain point, you might as well just create an inter-dimensional shipping company.''

	:::::::It is always bemusing to see things regress to this childish level of one-upsmanship on a universal scale. The creation of [[Edgelord\|Infinite Cartels that function as edgy police]] to "teach you a lesson" is stupid. Ignoring the theological rabbit hole about how [[Grimderp\|these stupid pieces of shit can exist in the first place and still have the multiverse/universe be the same place that isn't a utopia of plenty as would logically follow from infinite creation]], faffing about with infinities will quickly lose the interest of sane players who don't want to have fun with calculators, and instead draw ire for [[Rule Zero\|not just saying "No" to this shit.]]		:::::::It is always bemusing to see things regress to this childish level of one-upsmanship on a universal scale. The creation of [[Edgelord\|Infinite Cartels that function as edgy police]] to "teach you a lesson" is stupid. Ignoring the theological rabbit hole about how [[Grimderp\|these stupid pieces of shit can exist in the first place and still have the multiverse/universe be the same place that isn't a utopia of plenty as would logically follow from infinite creation]], faffing about with infinities will quickly lose the interest of sane players who don't want to have fun with calculators, and instead draw ire for [[Rule Zero\|not just saying "No" to this shit.]]

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	:::::''Now for what this has to do with the economics of trying to sell infinite daggers in an infinite multiverse. In an infinite multiverse, infinite someones have already come up with this scheme and tried, using the money produced by it, to scale it up infinitely across the infinite multiverse with infinite time before you arrived. This infinite time for infinite scale-up across infinite universes should be a much larger infinity then the infinite number of universes. Thus the cost of daggers in the infinite multiverse should have gone to the tiniest fraction above zero already, with the infrastructure necessary to bring it to zero anywhere at a moments notice to cut in on new upstarts trying to get into the game already managed by the (infinitely) old rackets. Thus, if you are currently playing in a universe where daggers aren't already all-but-free there is only one possible explanation: the gods (and/or whatever else governs and makes rules for the universe you are in) thought the infinite dagger rackets were dumb and struck a deal with them: these rackets would stay the hell out of their universe (fine by them, there are infinite other universes where they can still run their business(es)) in trade for keeping any n00bs from starting up this BS from scratch in the universe or turning said n00bs over to these infinite multiverse-wide dagger making mafia. Thus, the second you start up this BS practice in a universe where daggers are not already all-but-free, the gods (or whatever) governing your universe have to make good on their deal to the infinite dagger rackets of the infinite multiverse and turn you over to them. These rackets meanwhile have had infinite time and resources to prepare for you, as well as the infinite number of other infinitely late upstarts who think they are so clever and new but are actually infinitely behind the curve. As such, you are in big trouble. Trouble that has command over literally anything that can be bought for any sum of money across all the infinite multiverse to deal with and make an example of you that will be infinitely memorable for all times and places of infinity. You would have been better off if you had just done something safer like merely mortally offended the entirety of the pantheon in your own universe.		:::::''Now for what this has to do with the economics of trying to sell infinite daggers in an infinite multiverse. In an infinite multiverse, infinite someones have already come up with this scheme and tried, using the money produced by it, to scale it up infinitely across the infinite multiverse with infinite time before you arrived. This infinite time for infinite scale-up across infinite universes should be a much larger infinity then the infinite number of universes. Thus the cost of daggers in the infinite multiverse should have gone to the tiniest fraction above zero already, with the infrastructure necessary to bring it to zero anywhere at a moments notice to cut in on new upstarts trying to get into the game already managed by the (infinitely) old rackets. Thus, if you are currently playing in a universe where daggers aren't already all-but-free there is only one possible explanation: the gods (and/or whatever else governs and makes rules for the universe you are in) thought the infinite dagger rackets were dumb and struck a deal with them: these rackets would stay the hell out of their universe (fine by them, there are infinite other universes where they can still run their business(es)) in trade for keeping any n00bs from starting up this BS from scratch in the universe or turning said n00bs over to these infinite multiverse-wide dagger making mafia. Thus, the second you start up this BS practice in a universe where daggers are not already all-but-free, the gods (or whatever) governing your universe have to make good on their deal to the infinite dagger rackets of the infinite multiverse and turn you over to them. These rackets meanwhile have had infinite time and resources to prepare for you, as well as the infinite number of other infinitely late upstarts who think they are so clever and new but are actually infinitely behind the curve. As such, you are in big trouble. Trouble that has command over literally anything that can be bought for any sum of money across all the infinite multiverse to deal with and make an example of you that will be infinitely memorable for all times and places of infinity. You would have been better off if you had just done something safer like merely mortally offended the entirety of the pantheon in your own universe.

			:::::::It is always bemusing to see things regress to this childish level of one-upsmanship on a universal scale. The creation of [[Edgelord\|Infinite Cartels that function as edgy police]] to "teach you a lesson" is stupid. Ignoring the theological rabbit hole about how [[Grimderp\|these stupid pieces of shit can exist in the first place and still have the multiverse/universe be the same place that isn't a utopia of plenty as would logically follow from infinite creation]], faffing about with infinities will quickly lose the interest of sane players who don't want to have fun with calculators, and instead draw ire for [[Rule Zero\|not just saying "No" to this shit.]]

	:::::'''''TL;DR:''' "3D printing" infinite daggers will quickly reveal itself to be a very dangerous and loosing proposition in an infinite multiverse. So in a finite universe economics says dagger price goes to zero, and in an infinite multiverse logic says you end up worse then dead faster then you can imagine.[[Special:Contributions/71.126.226.110\|71.126.226.110]] 20:51, 14 December 2017 (UTC)		:::::'''''TL;DR:''' "3D printing" infinite daggers will quickly reveal itself to be a very dangerous and loosing proposition in an infinite multiverse. So in a finite universe economics says dagger price goes to zero, and in an infinite multiverse logic says you end up worse then dead faster then you can imagine.[[Special:Contributions/71.126.226.110\|71.126.226.110]] 20:51, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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	Another exploit for [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition]]		Another exploit for [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition]]

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	:''"A masterwork dagger would have to be made from steel, not just iron, which requires a significant element of heating, carbon inclusions, and forging. The Fabrication spell wouldn't be able to produce the carbon necessary. You would require a Wall of Steel variant to make this work"''		:''"A masterwork dagger would have to be made from steel, not just iron, which requires a significant element of heating, carbon inclusions, and forging. The Fabrication spell wouldn't be able to produce the carbon necessary. You would require a Wall of Steel variant to make this work"''
	::''That said, you can still crash the iron market at will."''		::''That said, you can still crash the iron market at will."''
			::: ''Masterwork does not imply better materials, only better craftsmanship."''

	:''The spell description reads, "You convert material of one sort into a product that is of the same material." This could be interpreted as meaning you can only create a single item with a single casting. However, as stated earlier, you could create 21604 masterwork daggers bound together into a single piece through a series of easily removed channels. The final object may not be "a masterwork dagger" but it would be "a masterwork collection of daggers joined by channels" and each dagger can be considered a masterwork fragment of the original work even after they are separated. Given the wizard's intelligence and smithing skill, these kind of engineering and planning challenges can be considered trivial.''		:''The spell description reads, "You convert material of one sort into a product that is of the same material." This could be interpreted as meaning you can only create a single item with a single casting. However, as stated earlier, you could create 21604 masterwork daggers bound together into a single piece through a series of easily removed channels. The final object may not be "a masterwork dagger" but it would be "a masterwork collection of daggers joined by channels" and each dagger can be considered a masterwork fragment of the original work even after they are separated. Given the wizard's intelligence and smithing skill, these kind of engineering and planning challenges can be considered trivial.''

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	These would be blade blanks not daggers, as daggers have wooden handles. Requiring more work than this accounts for and material cost.		These would be blade blanks not daggers, as daggers have wooden handles. Requiring more work than this accounts for and material cost. So you could fabricate the metal into 1lb ingots and sell those. If your DM is down with this level of shenaniganary, you might even get more for this by selling to places that otherwise can not easily obtain large quantities of metal.

	Bitching about how "you shouldn't allow that" or "but that won't work in real life" goes here. This includes "nuh-uh! yuh-huh!" counterarguments.		Bitching about how "you shouldn't allow that" or "but that won't work in real life" goes here. This includes "nuh-uh! yuh-huh!" counterarguments.

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	::Well, aside from the new questions that the statement raises (Is a 1000-lb section of wall incapable of crushing a man, as that would be a type of use? Has the iron been made magically incapable of being sold? Does a forcefield spring up anytime someone tries to hand you money in exchange for a piece of it? If you hide a lump of the stuff in a bag of apples, then sell the bag and its contents, the bag won't move, a la an immovable rod?), you can still run a grift with fake shoddy daggers, or make a profit in trade instead of currency.		::Well, aside from the new questions that the statement raises (Is a 1000-lb section of wall incapable of crushing a man, as that would be a type of use? Has the iron been made magically incapable of being sold? Does a forcefield spring up anytime someone tries to hand you money in exchange for a piece of it? If you hide a lump of the stuff in a bag of apples, then sell the bag and its contents, the bag won't move, a la an immovable rod?), you can still run a grift with fake shoddy daggers, or make a profit in trade instead of currency.
	:::Maybe you get busted for trying to sell "Wizard Iron" which is basically worthless as iron.		:::Maybe you get busted for trying to sell "Wizard Iron" which is basically worthless as iron.
			::The wall itself and everything made of it may disappear back to where it was conjured from after a set amount of time. Daggers going "Poof!" shortly after (or before) being sold aren't that good of a ware.
	:: It could be very, very poor quality iron, something like 50% impurities, that's not worth the fuel needed to forge it into anything. It can theoretically be sold to anybody who needed 1000lbs of hard weight, but then they could just go grab a boulder that's lying around.		:: It could be very, very poor quality iron, something like 50% impurities, that's not worth the fuel needed to forge it into anything. It can theoretically be sold to anybody who needed 1000lbs of hard weight, but then they could just go grab a boulder that's lying around.
	::Because you need to be a level 20 wizard to pull this off, at which point you've got better things to do than selling 98200 lbs of iron.		::Because you need to be a level 20 wizard to pull this off, at which point you've got better things to do than selling 98200 lbs of iron.

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	Also, creating a huge supply of iron out of nothing would add weight to the planet and can potentially do all sorts of crazy things, such as knocking it out of orbit, slowing it down, etc.		Also, creating a huge supply of iron out of nothing would add weight to the planet and can potentially do all sorts of crazy things, such as knocking it out of orbit, slowing it down, etc.

	~~:: These would be unfinished daggers without the wooden handle~~

	=See also=		=See also=