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	Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the French army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light the tank is basically the least protected MBT of its generation. While the Leopard 1 and M60 had about 90mm to 100mm the AMX30 had 80mm as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.		Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the French army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light the tank is basically the least protected MBT of its generation. While the Leopard 1 and M60 had about 90mm to 100mm the AMX30 had 80mm as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.

	You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the Leclerc (often known as the AMX-56 despite [[Wat\|this having no basis in any official document]]), which was introduced in 1992. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.		You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leclerc_tank Leclerc] (often known as the AMX-56 despite [[Wat\|this having no basis in any official document]]), which was introduced in 1992. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.

	{{French Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{French Forces in Team Yankee}}

	[[Category:Vehicles]]		[[Category:Vehicles]]

104.254.223.249: "Le deh" swapped for "Le jour", which is the same thing but less dismissive. Also the second line of the French national anthem.

2022-04-28T18:25:41Z

"Le deh" swapped for "Le jour", which is the same thing but less dismissive. Also the second line of the French national anthem.

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	[[File:TFRAB1-04.jpg\|right\|300px\|thumb\|Le ~~deh~~ de gloire est arrivé!]]		[[File:TFRAB1-04.jpg\|right\|300px\|thumb\|Le jour de gloire est arrivé!]]
	{{topquote\|Take care that none of them escapes.\|Charlemagne}}		{{topquote\|Take care that none of them escapes.\|Charlemagne}}

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	[[File:Amx30-amx30 01.jpg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|Pierre, I think we're lost....]]		[[File:Amx30-amx30 01.jpg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|Pierre, I think we're lost....]]

	The answer to that is rather complex, but if you oversimplify just a bit, the main part of it is a certain General Charles de Gaulle. De Gaulle... hated Germans, despised the English and was adamant his France would not become an American protectorate like Roosevelt had envisioned at first (leading to some major political clashes during WWII, but that's another story). The embarrassment of World War II combined with that legendary French pride meant that the French Army insisted that any new French tank (or globally materiel) would be a FRENCH tank (materiel), built by Frenchmen in France (in the city of Roanne for the tanks, to be exact). It is a testimony to their stubbornness that to this day, France is one of the very few countries with their own tanks, airplanes, carrier, subs and nukes~~; so~~ it ~~did somewhat pay off in~~ the ~~end (at~~ the ~~cost of being seen as insufferable cunts by NATO, but I digress again..~~.)		The answer to that is rather complex, but if you oversimplify just a bit, the main part of it is a certain General Charles de Gaulle. De Gaulle... hated Germans, despised the English and was adamant his France would not become an American protectorate like Roosevelt had envisioned at first (leading to some major political clashes during WWII, but that's another story). The embarrassment of World War II combined with that legendary French pride meant that the French Army insisted that any new French tank (or globally materiel) would be a FRENCH tank (materiel), built by Frenchmen in France (in the city of Roanne for the tanks, to be exact). It is a testimony to their stubbornness that to this day, France is one of the very few countries with their own tanks, airplanes, carrier, subs and nukes - making it the third biggest worlwide weapons seller, behind the USA and Russia.

	Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the French army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light the tank is basically the least protected MBT of its generation. While the Leopard 1 and M60 had about 90mm to 100mm the AMX30 had 80mm as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.		Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the French army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light the tank is basically the least protected MBT of its generation. While the Leopard 1 and M60 had about 90mm to 100mm the AMX30 had 80mm as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.

2601:1C0:5C02:20E0:0:0:0:C847: /* IRL */

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	You might wonder why the French didn't (and don't) use the same Leopard tanks most of Europe does. The Leopard has rightfully earned its place in history as a Damn Fine Tank that in part defined what a second generation MBT should be like. Also, if all of NATO shared a tank it would make ammo and parts much easier to get if the commies did come a-knockin'. So why reinvent the wheel and not just use the German tank? Between 1940 to 1945, they ''did'' just use German tanks. Advances in armor design rendered all French tanks in service in 1940 obsolete, not to mention France <s>surrendered immediately</s> got overrun in a hurry, compelling Free French troops to make do with whatever they could get their hands on, from American M4 Shermans to German Panthers. There was even at least one Tiger I that was captured, turned around, and used by its Free French crew as they fought all the way to the German border.		You might wonder why the French didn't (and don't) use the same Leopard tanks most of Europe does. The Leopard has rightfully earned its place in history as a Damn Fine Tank that in part defined what a second generation MBT should be like. Also, if all of NATO shared a tank it would make ammo and parts much easier to get if the commies did come a-knockin'. So why reinvent the wheel and not just use the German tank? Between 1940 to 1945, they ''did'' just use German tanks. Advances in armor design rendered all French tanks in service in 1940 obsolete, not to mention France <s>surrendered immediately</s> got overrun in a hurry, compelling Free French troops to make do with whatever they could get their hands on, from American M4 Shermans to German Panthers (side note the crew reports on these Panthers tend to be ''Scathing''). There was even at least one Tiger I that was captured, turned around, and used by its Free French crew as they fought all the way to the German border.

	[[File:Amx30-amx30 01.jpg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|Pierre, I think we're lost....]]		[[File:Amx30-amx30 01.jpg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|Pierre, I think we're lost....]]

131.96.223.32 at 21:38, 8 September 2021

2021-09-08T21:38:22Z

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	The answer to that is rather complex, but if you oversimplify just a bit, the main part of it is a certain General Charles de Gaulle. De Gaulle... hated Germans, despised the English and was adamant his France would not become an American protectorate like Roosevelt had envisioned at first (leading to some major political clashes during WWII, but that's another story). The embarrassment of World War II combined with that legendary French pride meant that the French Army insisted that any new French tank (or globally materiel) would be a FRENCH tank (materiel), built by Frenchmen in France (in the city of Roanne for the tanks, to be exact). It is a testimony to their stubbornness that to this day, France is one of the very few countries with their own tanks, airplanes, carrier, subs and nukes; so it did somewhat pay off in the end (at the cost of being seen as insufferable cunts by NATO, but I digress again...)		The answer to that is rather complex, but if you oversimplify just a bit, the main part of it is a certain General Charles de Gaulle. De Gaulle... hated Germans, despised the English and was adamant his France would not become an American protectorate like Roosevelt had envisioned at first (leading to some major political clashes during WWII, but that's another story). The embarrassment of World War II combined with that legendary French pride meant that the French Army insisted that any new French tank (or globally materiel) would be a FRENCH tank (materiel), built by Frenchmen in France (in the city of Roanne for the tanks, to be exact). It is a testimony to their stubbornness that to this day, France is one of the very few countries with their own tanks, airplanes, carrier, subs and nukes; so it did somewhat pay off in the end (at the cost of being seen as insufferable cunts by NATO, but I digress again...)

	Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the ~~french~~ army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light the tank is basically the least protected MBT of its generation. While the Leopard 1 and M60 had about 90mm to 100mm the AMX30 had 80mm as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.		Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the French army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light the tank is basically the least protected MBT of its generation. While the Leopard 1 and M60 had about 90mm to 100mm the AMX30 had 80mm as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.

	You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the Leclerc (often known as the AMX-56 despite [[Wat\|this having no basis in any official document]]), which was introduced in 1992. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.		You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the Leclerc (often known as the AMX-56 despite [[Wat\|this having no basis in any official document]]), which was introduced in 1992. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.

58.162.223.230: /* IRL */

2021-03-08T12:36:28Z

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	Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the french army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light the tank is basically the least protected MBT of its generation. While the Leopard 1 and M60 had about 90mm to 100mm the AMX30 had 80mm as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.		Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the french army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light the tank is basically the least protected MBT of its generation. While the Leopard 1 and M60 had about 90mm to 100mm the AMX30 had 80mm as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.

	You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the AMX-56 ~~Leclerc (shortened to just the Leclerc~~), which was introduced in 1992. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.		You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the Leclerc (often known as the AMX-56 despite [[Wat\|this having no basis in any official document]]), which was introduced in 1992. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.

	{{French Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{French Forces in Team Yankee}}

	[[Category:Vehicles]]		[[Category:Vehicles]]

58.162.223.230: /* IRL */

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	The answer to that is rather complex, but if you oversimplify just a bit, the main part of it is a certain General Charles de Gaulle. De Gaulle... hated Germans, despised the English and was adamant his France would not become an American protectorate like Roosevelt had envisioned at first (leading to some major political clashes during WWII, but that's another story). The embarrassment of World War II combined with that legendary French pride meant that the French Army insisted that any new French tank (or globally materiel) would be a FRENCH tank (materiel), built by Frenchmen in France (in the city of Roanne for the tanks, to be exact). It is a testimony to their stubbornness that to this day, France is one of the very few countries with their own tanks, airplanes, carrier, subs and nukes; so it did somewhat pay off in the end (at the cost of being seen as insufferable cunts by NATO, but I digress again...)		The answer to that is rather complex, but if you oversimplify just a bit, the main part of it is a certain General Charles de Gaulle. De Gaulle... hated Germans, despised the English and was adamant his France would not become an American protectorate like Roosevelt had envisioned at first (leading to some major political clashes during WWII, but that's another story). The embarrassment of World War II combined with that legendary French pride meant that the French Army insisted that any new French tank (or globally materiel) would be a FRENCH tank (materiel), built by Frenchmen in France (in the city of Roanne for the tanks, to be exact). It is a testimony to their stubbornness that to this day, France is one of the very few countries with their own tanks, airplanes, carrier, subs and nukes; so it did somewhat pay off in the end (at the cost of being seen as insufferable cunts by NATO, but I digress again...)

	Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the french army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light the tank is basically the least protected MBT of its generation. While the Leopard 1 and M60 had about 90mm to 100mm the AMX30 had 80mm as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT ~~related~~ death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.		Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the french army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light the tank is basically the least protected MBT of its generation. While the Leopard 1 and M60 had about 90mm to 100mm the AMX30 had 80mm as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.

	You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the AMX-56 Leclerc (shortened to just the Leclerc), which was introduced in 1992. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.		You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the AMX-56 Leclerc (shortened to just the Leclerc), which was introduced in 1992. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.

2600:1700:C470:E310:44B2:EB35:13E3:E515: /* IRL */

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	The answer to that is rather complex, but if you oversimplify just a bit, the main part of it is a certain General Charles de Gaulle. De Gaulle... hated Germans, despised the English and was adamant his France would not become an American protectorate like Roosevelt had envisioned at first (leading to some major political clashes during WWII, but that's another story). The embarrassment of World War II combined with that legendary French pride meant that the French Army insisted that any new French tank (or globally materiel) would be a FRENCH tank (materiel), built by Frenchmen in France (in the city of Roanne for the tanks, to be exact). It is a testimony to their stubbornness that to this day, France is one of the very few countries with their own tanks, airplanes, carrier, subs and nukes; so it did somewhat pay off in the end (at the cost of being seen as insufferable cunts by NATO, but I digress again...)		The answer to that is rather complex, but if you oversimplify just a bit, the main part of it is a certain General Charles de Gaulle. De Gaulle... hated Germans, despised the English and was adamant his France would not become an American protectorate like Roosevelt had envisioned at first (leading to some major political clashes during WWII, but that's another story). The embarrassment of World War II combined with that legendary French pride meant that the French Army insisted that any new French tank (or globally materiel) would be a FRENCH tank (materiel), built by Frenchmen in France (in the city of Roanne for the tanks, to be exact). It is a testimony to their stubbornness that to this day, France is one of the very few countries with their own tanks, airplanes, carrier, subs and nukes; so it did somewhat pay off in the end (at the cost of being seen as insufferable cunts by NATO, but I digress again...)

	Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the french army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light, as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.		Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the french army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light the tank is basically the least protected MBT of its generation. While the Leopard 1 and M60 had about 90mm to 100mm the AMX30 had 80mm as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT related death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.

	You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the AMX-56 Leclerc (shortened to just the Leclerc), which was introduced in 1992. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.		You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the AMX-56 Leclerc (shortened to just the Leclerc), which was introduced in 1992. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.

1d4chan>Ad Terrorem: The AMX-30 never had autoloaders... seriously, this shit is on Wikipedia they don’t get that wrong...

2020-09-11T01:55:03Z

The AMX-30 never had autoloaders... seriously, this shit is on Wikipedia they don’t get that wrong...

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	The answer to that is rather complex, but if you oversimplify just a bit, the main part of it is a certain General Charles de Gaulle. De Gaulle... hated Germans, despised the English and was adamant his France would not become an American protectorate like Roosevelt had envisioned at first (leading to some major political clashes during WWII, but that's another story). The embarrassment of World War II combined with that legendary French pride meant that the French Army insisted that any new French tank (or globally materiel) would be a FRENCH tank (materiel), built by Frenchmen in France (in the city of Roanne for the tanks, to be exact). It is a testimony to their stubbornness that to this day, France is one of the very few countries with their own tanks, airplanes, carrier, subs and nukes; so it did somewhat pay off in the end (at the cost of being seen as insufferable cunts by NATO, but I digress again...)		The answer to that is rather complex, but if you oversimplify just a bit, the main part of it is a certain General Charles de Gaulle. De Gaulle... hated Germans, despised the English and was adamant his France would not become an American protectorate like Roosevelt had envisioned at first (leading to some major political clashes during WWII, but that's another story). The embarrassment of World War II combined with that legendary French pride meant that the French Army insisted that any new French tank (or globally materiel) would be a FRENCH tank (materiel), built by Frenchmen in France (in the city of Roanne for the tanks, to be exact). It is a testimony to their stubbornness that to this day, France is one of the very few countries with their own tanks, airplanes, carrier, subs and nukes; so it did somewhat pay off in the end (at the cost of being seen as insufferable cunts by NATO, but I digress again...)

	Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the french army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT~~. The AMX-30 is so far the only NATO tank with an Autoloader (something the French were forerunners in), at least till the Leclerc tank came around 1991~~. The vehicle's armour is light, as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.		Back to post-WWII: their first attempt at an indigenous tank, the ARL-44, was a failure: too big, too heavy, not enough firepower, not integrating the many design advances from the war. De Gaulle had to swallow his pride and make do with 'secondhand American cast-offs' (his words) for a while, the french army being equipped with Pattons at first. But the French are nothing if stubborn and eventually they managed to come up with two solid designs: the AMX-13 light tank and the AMX-30 MBT. The vehicle's armour is light, as it was designed in the heyday of the HEAT round, when it was thought that the best way to prevent <s>HEAT death</s> death to HEAT was to not get hit: hence the need for speed.

	You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the AMX-56 Leclerc(shortened to just the Leclerc), which was introduced in ~~1993~~. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.		You might expect at this point for us to mention how ''"the AMX-30 was not the most modern tank in the French arsenal and to expect another one"'', the way we do on the T-72 and Chieftain pages, but the thing is: the AMX-30 was the most modern tank France had in 1985. The AMX-30's replacement was the AMX-56 Leclerc (shortened to just the Leclerc), which was introduced in 1992. At first glance this might seem to suggest that the French are out of luck as far as new models go, but that's not quite correct. In 1983 the Franks produced a prototype tank, the AMX-40 (the main difference between the AMX-40 and the AMX-30 is that the former was supposed to have a 120mm gun), which never took off in our timeline, but with a Soviet Union invasion could actually see the light of day in Team Yankee.

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