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	Your pilots also boast a 3+ courage, which translates to the last pilot being less likely to run away.		Your pilots also boast a 3+ courage, which translates to the last pilot being less likely to run away.

	Fun fact: <s>The real AV-8 used by the Marines was equipped with a GAU-12 Equalizer, essentially a smaller and more manageable version to the [[A-10 Warthog\|A-10's]] legendary GAU-8: Harriers with Aden guns were used primarily by dainty officers with teacups and biscuits.</s> The version with the GAU-12 is the AV-8B Harrier II, the model used by Team Yankee is clearly the original Hawker-Siddeley Harrier, which was extensively used as the AV-A/C by the Marine Corps. All of these used the 30mm ADENs. Originally a collaborative effort between the US and UK, the British threw a hissyfit in 1975 over costs and withdrew from the project. However, the Marine Corps liked the Harrier so much they funded their own development, which led to the AV-8B Harrier II (the British begged to rejoin later on, and in 1981 rejoined, albeit downgraded as a subcontractor rather than as a full partner). The Harrier II was completely redesigned from the ground up, even though it's visually similar, and it swapped the 30mm ADENs for the aforementioned 25mm GAU-12. These were introduced into service in 1985, so could be represented in Team Yankee at some point, especially given that Revell already makes a 1/144 Harrier II kit. Aside from being a direct upgrade in flight performance in every parameter, it had larger wings which gave it two extra weapon pylons, so it would have increased ground attack compared to the current Harriers, as well as having higher penetration and ROF on its gun. The A-8C was retired in 1987, so it's inclusion in Team Yankee is fine given the game's 1985 start date.		Fun fact: <s>The real AV-8 used by the Marines was equipped with a GAU-12 Equalizer, essentially a smaller and more manageable version to the [[A-10 Warthog\|A-10's]] legendary GAU-8: Harriers with Aden guns were used primarily by dainty officers with teacups and biscuits.</s> The version with the GAU-12 is the AV-8B Harrier II, the model used by Team Yankee is clearly the original Hawker-Siddeley Harrier, which was extensively used as the AV-A/C by the Marine Corps. All of these used the 30mm ADENs. Originally a collaborative effort between the US and UK, the British threw a hissyfit in 1975 over costs and withdrew from the project. However, the Marine Corps liked the Harrier so much they funded their own development, which led to the AV-8B Harrier II (the British begged to rejoin later on, and in 1981 rejoined, albeit downgraded as a subcontractor rather than as a full partner). The Harrier II was completely redesigned from the ground up, even though it's visually similar, and it swapped the 30mm ADENs for the aforementioned 25mm GAU-12. These were introduced into service in 1985, so could be represented in Team Yankee at some point, especially given that Revell already makes a 1/144 Harrier II kit. Aside from being a direct upgrade in flight performance in every parameter, it had larger wings which gave it two extra weapon pylons, so it would have increased ground attack compared to the current Harriers, as well as having higher penetration and ROF on its gun. The AV-8C was retired in 1987, so it's inclusion in Team Yankee is fine given the game's 1985 start date.

	==Harrier CAS Flight (British)==		==Harrier CAS Flight (British)==

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Harrier Attack Flight (USA)

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	Your pilots also boast a 3+ courage, which translates to the last pilot being less likely to run away.		Your pilots also boast a 3+ courage, which translates to the last pilot being less likely to run away.

	Fun fact: <s>The real AV-8 used by the Marines was equipped with a GAU-12 Equalizer, essentially a smaller and more manageable version to the [[A-10 Warthog\|A-10's]] legendary GAU-8: Harriers with Aden guns were used primarily by dainty officers with teacups and biscuits.</s> The version with the GAU-12 is the AV-8B Harrier II, the model used by Team Yankee is clearly the original Hawker-Siddeley Harrier, which was extensively used as the AV-A/C by the Marine Corps. All of these used the 30mm ADENs. Originally a collaborative effort between the US and UK, the British threw a hissyfit in 1975 over costs and withdrew from the project. However, the Marine Corps liked the Harrier so much they funded their own development, which led to the AV-8B Harrier II (the British begged to rejoin later on, and in 1981 rejoined, albeit downgraded as a subcontractor rather than as a full partner). The Harrier II was completely redesigned from the ground up, even though it's visually similar, and it swapped the 30mm ADENs for the aforementioned 25mm GAU-12. These were introduced into service in 1985, so could be represented in Team Yankee at some point. Aside from being a direct upgrade in flight performance in every parameter, it had larger wings which gave it two extra weapon pylons, so it would have increased ground attack compared to the current Harriers, as well as having higher penetration and ROF on its gun. The A-8C was retired in 1987, so it's inclusion in Team Yankee is fine given the game's 1985 start date.		Fun fact: <s>The real AV-8 used by the Marines was equipped with a GAU-12 Equalizer, essentially a smaller and more manageable version to the [[A-10 Warthog\|A-10's]] legendary GAU-8: Harriers with Aden guns were used primarily by dainty officers with teacups and biscuits.</s> The version with the GAU-12 is the AV-8B Harrier II, the model used by Team Yankee is clearly the original Hawker-Siddeley Harrier, which was extensively used as the AV-A/C by the Marine Corps. All of these used the 30mm ADENs. Originally a collaborative effort between the US and UK, the British threw a hissyfit in 1975 over costs and withdrew from the project. However, the Marine Corps liked the Harrier so much they funded their own development, which led to the AV-8B Harrier II (the British begged to rejoin later on, and in 1981 rejoined, albeit downgraded as a subcontractor rather than as a full partner). The Harrier II was completely redesigned from the ground up, even though it's visually similar, and it swapped the 30mm ADENs for the aforementioned 25mm GAU-12. These were introduced into service in 1985, so could be represented in Team Yankee at some point, especially given that Revell already makes a 1/144 Harrier II kit. Aside from being a direct upgrade in flight performance in every parameter, it had larger wings which gave it two extra weapon pylons, so it would have increased ground attack compared to the current Harriers, as well as having higher penetration and ROF on its gun. The A-8C was retired in 1987, so it's inclusion in Team Yankee is fine given the game's 1985 start date.

	==Harrier CAS Flight (British)==		==Harrier CAS Flight (British)==

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	Your pilots also boast a 3+ courage, which translates to the last pilot being less likely to run away.		Your pilots also boast a 3+ courage, which translates to the last pilot being less likely to run away.

	Fun fact: The real AV-8 used by the Marines was equipped with a GAU-12 Equalizer, essentially a smaller and more manageable version to the [[A-10 Warthog\|A-10's]] legendary GAU-8: Harriers with Aden guns were used primarily by dainty officers with teacups and biscuits.		Fun fact: <s>The real AV-8 used by the Marines was equipped with a GAU-12 Equalizer, essentially a smaller and more manageable version to the [[A-10 Warthog\|A-10's]] legendary GAU-8: Harriers with Aden guns were used primarily by dainty officers with teacups and biscuits.</s> The version with the GAU-12 is the AV-8B Harrier II, the model used by Team Yankee is clearly the original Hawker-Siddeley Harrier, which was extensively used as the AV-A/C by the Marine Corps. All of these used the 30mm ADENs. Originally a collaborative effort between the US and UK, the British threw a hissyfit in 1975 over costs and withdrew from the project. However, the Marine Corps liked the Harrier so much they funded their own development, which led to the AV-8B Harrier II (the British begged to rejoin later on, and in 1981 rejoined, albeit downgraded as a subcontractor rather than as a full partner). The Harrier II was completely redesigned from the ground up, even though it's visually similar, and it swapped the 30mm ADENs for the aforementioned 25mm GAU-12. These were introduced into service in 1985, so could be represented in Team Yankee at some point. Aside from being a direct upgrade in flight performance in every parameter, it had larger wings which gave it two extra weapon pylons, so it would have increased ground attack compared to the current Harriers, as well as having higher penetration and ROF on its gun. The A-8C was retired in 1987, so it's inclusion in Team Yankee is fine given the game's 1985 start date.

	==Harrier CAS Flight (British)==		==Harrier CAS Flight (British)==

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			{{British}}
	[[File:Harrier.jpg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|Such a pretty bird]]		[[File:Harrier.jpg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|Such a pretty bird]]
	The Harrier was the world's first successful VTOL jet to be adopted by any military. Using thrust-vectoring nozzles, the Harrier can redirect thrust downwards to take off and land on any flat surface, making it very useful for operations from aircraft carriers and other bases with limited runway space. You may remember it as the jet that Arnie flew at the end of ''True Lies''. Valued at 7 million Pepsi points.		The Harrier was the world's first successful VTOL jet to be adopted by any military. Using thrust-vectoring nozzles, the Harrier can redirect thrust downwards to take off and land on any flat surface, making it very useful for operations from aircraft carriers and other bases with limited runway space. You may remember it as the jet that Arnie flew at the end of ''True Lies''. Valued at 7 million Pepsi points.

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	Regardless of its limitations, the design was so successful that the USSR copied as much as they humanly could from visuals and public information but ended up choosing different engine configurations for an overtly dismal performing aircraft. The Harrier has been widely exported with continued service, from Spain to Thailand.		Regardless of its limitations, the design was so successful that the USSR copied as much as they humanly could from visuals and public information but ended up choosing different engine configurations for an overtly dismal performing aircraft. The Harrier has been widely exported with continued service, from Spain to Thailand.

	The Harrier was supposed to ~~retire~~ at least a decade ago by the F-35B. However due to right out incompetence of the DOD's current procurement practices. To repair the current fleet. The USMC has to scavenge from older planes and pieces of mothballed aircraft. So the old Harrier will be kept in service well into the 2020s and [[derp\|maybe even longer]].		The Harrier was supposed to be retired at least a decade ago by the F-35B. However due to right out incompetence of the DOD's current procurement practices. To repair the current fleet. The USMC has to scavenge from older planes and pieces of mothballed aircraft. So the old Harrier will be kept in service well into the 2020s and [[derp\|maybe even longer]].

	{{US Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{US Forces in Team Yankee}}

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	Regardless of its limitations, the design was so successful that the USSR copied as much as they humanly could from visuals and public information but ended up choosing different engine configurations for an overtly dismal performing aircraft. The Harrier has been widely exported with continued service, from Spain to Thailand.		Regardless of its limitations, the design was so successful that the USSR copied as much as they humanly could from visuals and public information but ended up choosing different engine configurations for an overtly dismal performing aircraft. The Harrier has been widely exported with continued service, from Spain to Thailand.

	The Harrier was supposed to retire at least a decade ago by the F-35B. However due to right out incompetence of the DOD's current procurement practices. To repair the current fleet. The USMC has to scavenge from older planes and pieces of mothballed aircraft. So the old Harrier will be kept in service well into the 2020s and [[~~fail~~\|maybe even longer]].		The Harrier was supposed to retire at least a decade ago by the F-35B. However due to right out incompetence of the DOD's current procurement practices. To repair the current fleet. The USMC has to scavenge from older planes and pieces of mothballed aircraft. So the old Harrier will be kept in service well into the 2020s and [[derp\|maybe even longer]].

	{{US Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{US Forces in Team Yankee}}

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2021-05-20T02:47:30Z

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	==Harrier CAS Flight (British)==		==Harrier CAS Flight (British)==
	[[File:British_harrier.jpeg\|300px\|Left\|thumb\|British Stats]]		[[File:British_harrier.jpeg\|300px\|Left\|thumb\|British Stats]]
	Considered to be part of the 3rd Division as 'Divisional Air Support', these birds would be considered to be part of the Royal Air Force, not an integral component of the Division's organization. They would serve as ~~attaches~~ instead, returning from the front to well maintained RAF bases rather than muddy foxholes.		Considered to be part of the 3rd Division as 'Divisional Air Support', these birds would be considered to be part of the Royal Air Force, not an integral component of the Division's organization. They would serve as attachés instead, returning from the front to well-maintained RAF bases rather than muddy foxholes.

	The superior gentlemen pilots of the RAF boast a superior 3+ skill compared to <s>the dirty colonials</s> their Yankee counterparts, while the BL-755 Cluster Bomb has an AT value of 8, but pay for the increments by costing 5 and 10 points respectively, considerably more than the Marines' <s>second hand equipment</s> well maintained armaments. As suggested by their bloody huge payloads, these vehicles are meant to utterly destroy any concentration of units, especially tanks. 8AT against top armor means that tanks have a 1 in 6 chance to TRY and bail, while 3+ firepower means that 2 in 3 hits will be a kill. Lighter vehicles such as BMPs and BTRs need not bother; they simply test for Firepower as their glorious Communist steel is turned into Shashlik.		The superior gentlemen pilots of the RAF boast a superior 3+ skill compared to <s>the dirty colonials</s> their Yankee counterparts, while the BL-755 Cluster Bomb has an AT value of 8, but pay for the increments by costing 5 and 10 points respectively, considerably more than the Marines' <s>second hand equipment</s> well maintained armaments. As suggested by their bloody huge payloads, these vehicles are meant to utterly destroy any concentration of units, especially tanks. 8AT against top armor means that tanks have a 1 in 6 chance to TRY and bail, while 3+ firepower means that 2 in 3 hits will be a kill. Lighter vehicles such as BMPs and BTRs need not bother; they simply test for Firepower as their glorious Communist steel is turned into Shashlik.

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	In Team Yankee, [[Blood Ravens\|the Marines have nicked some British Harriers and glued on some American roundels.]]		In Team Yankee, [[Blood Ravens\|the Marines have nicked some British Harriers and glued on some American roundels.]]

	Armed with an electrically-powered 30mm Aden 5-chamber revolver cannon and anti-armor CBU-100 cluster bombs (Rockeyes), the Harrier can deal with both air and ground targets. It has less firepower than the A-10 but can also take on Hinds or other helicopters (other pilots have made gentlemen's agreements to take turns taking the local airspace). The reason for the Rockeye, an anti-armor cluster munition(!) being a piddly 5+ FP is anyone's guess.		Armed with an electrically-powered 30mm Aden 5-chamber revolver cannon and anti-armor CBU-100 cluster bombs (Rockeyes), the Harrier can deal with both air and ground targets. It has less firepower than the A-10 but can also take on Hinds or other helicopters (other pilots have made gentlemen's agreements to take turns taking the local airspace). The reason for the Rockeye, an anti-armor cluster munition(!), being a piddly 5+ FP is anyone's guess.

	While DRASTICALLY cheaper than the British Harrier at 1.5 points per plane, it pays for the discount dearly. Dropping its firepower from a 3+ to a 5+ severely weakens its ability to destroy armor, merely forcing mass bails. However, this does not mean it is useless. With a 3+ call-in, it is the only anti-infantry salvo template available to the US after the Cobra's rocket pods. Furthermore, AT7 against top armor makes this a potential combo piece; bailing a mass of vehicles before you assault them with your <s>cowardly Capitalist pigdogs</s> brave American warriors, forcing autokills.		While DRASTICALLY cheaper than the British Harrier at 1.5 points per plane, it pays for the discount dearly. Dropping its firepower from a 3+ to a 5+ severely weakens its ability to destroy armor, merely forcing mass bails. However, this does not mean it is useless. With a 3+ call-in, it is the only anti-infantry salvo template available to the US after the Cobra's rocket pods. Furthermore, AT7 against top armor makes this a potential combo piece; bailing a mass of vehicles before you assault them with your <s>cowardly Capitalist pigdogs</s> brave American warriors, forcing autokills.

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	The Harrier is something unique as a VTOL aircraft designed as a ground support aircraft, rather than the typical multirole design favored at the time. While it can't break the sound barrier, this hasn't stopped it from making a long and successful air to air combat record like the Falklands War where French [[Mirage 5]]s were downed thanks to superior British piloting. In fact, its comparative lack of speed makes it an ideal platform for weapons which benefit from a longer time over target such as the Marines' GAU-12.		The Harrier is something unique as a VTOL aircraft designed as a ground support aircraft, rather than the typical multirole design favored at the time. While it can't break the sound barrier, this hasn't stopped it from making a long and successful air to air combat record like the Falklands War where French [[Mirage 5]]s were downed thanks to superior British piloting. In fact, its comparative lack of speed makes it an ideal platform for weapons which benefit from a longer time over target such as the Marines' GAU-12.

	Most are equipped with a pair of Sidewinder missiles for such situations when the Harrier is engaged, or for targets of opportunity such as helicopters and inferior enemy attack aircraft (VERY inferior. Most planners would expect the outdated, MIG-21 to go toe-to-toe against the Harrier due to differences in armament). The design was so successful the USSR copied as much as they humanly could from visuals and public information but ended up choosing different engine configurations for an overtly dismal performing aircraft. The Harrier has been widely exported with continued service, from Spain to Thailand.		Most are equipped with a pair of Sidewinder missiles for such situations when the Harrier is engaged, or for targets of opportunity such as helicopters and inferior enemy attack aircraft (VERY inferior. Most planners would expect the outdated, MIG-21 to go toe-to-toe against the Harrier due to differences in armament). The versions flying in 1985 had no radar to reduce weight and so could not be expected to take on advanced fighters; although improved versions of the 90's had advanced avionics, the US version receiving the same radar as the F/A-18.

			Regardless of its limitations, the design was so successful that the USSR copied as much as they humanly could from visuals and public information but ended up choosing different engine configurations for an overtly dismal performing aircraft. The Harrier has been widely exported with continued service, from Spain to Thailand.

	The Harrier was supposed to retire at least a decade ago by the F-35B. However due to right out incompetence of the DOD's current procurement practices. To repair the current fleet. The USMC has to scavenge from older planes and pieces of mothballed aircraft. So the old Harrier will be kept in service well into the 2020s and [[fail\|maybe even longer]].		The Harrier was supposed to retire at least a decade ago by the F-35B. However due to right out incompetence of the DOD's current procurement practices. To repair the current fleet. The USMC has to scavenge from older planes and pieces of mothballed aircraft. So the old Harrier will be kept in service well into the 2020s and [[fail\|maybe even longer]].