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 Statwise, the Pathfinder Aasimar looks like this:
-::+2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma
+::Stat Bonus: +2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma
-::Outsider (Native)
+::Type: Outsider (Native)
-::Medium
+::Size: Medium
-::Base speed 30 feet
+::Base speed: 30 feet
 ::Darkvision 60 feet
 ::Skilled: +2 racial bonus on Diplomacy & Perception checks.
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1d4chan>GloriousGidofter: /* Aasimar Controversies */

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	In fact, this attitude is common enough that even WoTC gave it a nod, which led to the temporary replacement of aasimars with the [[deva]] race in 4th edition. When discussing adding them to [[5e]] early on, [[Mike Mearls]] specifically called attention to this complaint, and expressed a desire to avoid it, since he was a fan and didn't ''want'' them to be "boring."		In fact, this attitude is common enough that even WoTC gave it a nod, which led to the temporary replacement of aasimars with the [[deva]] race in 4th edition. When discussing adding them to [[5e]] early on, [[Mike Mearls]] specifically called attention to this complaint, and expressed a desire to avoid it, since he was a fan and didn't ''want'' them to be "boring."

	This has culminated in multiple attempts to remove them from the game outright, something that their lower-planes-aligned counterparts never suffered, and replacing them with something else. This was first seen with the [[deva]] in 4th Edition, and now [[Ardlings]] in 5.5/''D&D One'' is being pushed as the main celestial [[planetouched]] player race. So far...		This has culminated in multiple attempts to remove them from the game outright, something that their lower-planes-aligned counterparts never suffered, and replacing them with something else. This was first seen with the [[deva]] in 4th Edition, and now [[Ardlings]] in 5.5/''D&D One'' are being pushed as the main celestial [[planetouched]] player race. So far...

	==In AD&D==		==In AD&D==

1d4chan>GloriousGidofter: /* Aasimar Controversies */

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	In fact, this attitude is common enough that even WoTC gave it a nod, which led to the temporary replacement of aasimars with the [[deva]] race in 4th edition. When discussing adding them to [[5e]] early on, [[Mike Mearls]] specifically called attention to this complaint, and expressed a desire to avoid it, since he was a fan and didn't ''want'' them to be "boring."		In fact, this attitude is common enough that even WoTC gave it a nod, which led to the temporary replacement of aasimars with the [[deva]] race in 4th edition. When discussing adding them to [[5e]] early on, [[Mike Mearls]] specifically called attention to this complaint, and expressed a desire to avoid it, since he was a fan and didn't ''want'' them to be "boring."

	This has culminated in multiple attempts to remove them from the game outright that their lower-planes-aligned counterparts never suffered, and replacing them with something else, first the [[deva]] in 4th Edition and now [[~~ardlings~~]] in 5.5/''D&D One'' is being pushed as the main celestial [[planetouched]] player race. ~~soo~~ far...		This has culminated in multiple attempts to remove them from the game outright, something that their lower-planes-aligned counterparts never suffered, and replacing them with something else. This was first seen with the [[deva]] in 4th Edition, and now [[Ardlings]] in 5.5/''D&D One'' is being pushed as the main celestial [[planetouched]] player race. So far...

	==In AD&D==		==In AD&D==

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Aasimar Controversies */ what I hear from interviews, ardlings are ment to be a different experience to aasimars, ardlings drewing from animal themed Guardinal, archon, and the beastlands. ardlings will probly be the new celestial plane touch while aasimars lore suggest they will be angle/god touched.

2022-08-21T15:10:23Z

Aasimar Controversies: what I hear from interviews, ardlings are ment to be a different experience to aasimars, ardlings drewing from animal themed Guardinal, archon, and the beastlands. ardlings will probly be the new celestial plane touch while aasimars lore suggest they will be angle/god touched.

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	In fact, this attitude is common enough that even WoTC gave it a nod, which led to the temporary replacement of aasimars with the [[deva]] race in 4th edition. When discussing adding them to [[5e]] early on, [[Mike Mearls]] specifically called attention to this complaint, and expressed a desire to avoid it, since he was a fan and didn't ''want'' them to be "boring."		In fact, this attitude is common enough that even WoTC gave it a nod, which led to the temporary replacement of aasimars with the [[deva]] race in 4th edition. When discussing adding them to [[5e]] early on, [[Mike Mearls]] specifically called attention to this complaint, and expressed a desire to avoid it, since he was a fan and didn't ''want'' them to be "boring."

	This has culminated in multiple attempts to remove them from the game outright that their lower-planes-aligned counterparts never suffered, and replacing them with something else, first the [[deva]] in 4th Edition and now ~~the~~ [[ardlings]] in 5.5/''D&D One''.		This has culminated in multiple attempts to remove them from the game outright that their lower-planes-aligned counterparts never suffered, and replacing them with something else, first the [[deva]] in 4th Edition and now [[ardlings]] in 5.5/''D&D One'' is being pushed as the main celestial [[planetouched]] player race. soo far...

	==In AD&D==		==In AD&D==

1d4chan>SpectralTime: /* Aasimar Controversies */

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	In fact, this attitude is common enough that even WoTC gave it a nod, which led to the temporary replacement of aasimars with the [[deva]] race in 4th edition. When discussing adding them to [[5e]] early on, [[Mike Mearls]] specifically called attention to this complaint, and expressed a desire to avoid it, since he was a fan and didn't ''want'' them to be "boring."		In fact, this attitude is common enough that even WoTC gave it a nod, which led to the temporary replacement of aasimars with the [[deva]] race in 4th edition. When discussing adding them to [[5e]] early on, [[Mike Mearls]] specifically called attention to this complaint, and expressed a desire to avoid it, since he was a fan and didn't ''want'' them to be "boring."

			This has culminated in multiple attempts to remove them from the game outright that their lower-planes-aligned counterparts never suffered, and replacing them with something else, first the [[deva]] in 4th Edition and now the [[ardlings]] in 5.5/''D&D One''.

	==In AD&D==		==In AD&D==

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	Firstly, some argue that aasimar actually manage to be even bigger [[Mary Sue]]s than the [[tiefling]]s do. After all, their description comes with many standard traits of the dreaded Sue actually written in, such as being incredibly beautiful, instantly likable without even trying, and are almost always good guys/girls. Yes, they are the literal children of angels, but even so, there are complaints that they get slathered with a bit too much authorial loving. Though, ironically, they ''also'' tend to get the shaft compared to tieflings in terms of actual story focus, so go figure.		Firstly, some argue that aasimar actually manage to be even bigger [[Mary Sue]]s than the [[tiefling]]s do. After all, their description comes with many standard traits of the dreaded Sue actually written in, such as being incredibly beautiful, instantly likable without even trying, and are almost always good guys/girls. Yes, they are the literal children of angels, but even so, there are complaints that they get slathered with a bit too much authorial loving. Though, ironically, they ''also'' tend to get the shaft compared to tieflings in terms of actual story focus, so go figure.

	Secondly, some argue that the aasimar are... well, to put it bluntly, that they're boring. They're not alone in this, [[genasi]] get the same accusation thrown their way, but it is noted by some that their fluff does tend towards painting them in a generic "they're good because they're born to it, they're always the goody two-shoes race", and some find this less inspiring than the tieflings and their struggle to define themselves despite the expectations others have about them due to their ancestry and despite the temptations of their dark heritage. Also, let's be honest, there are a ''lot'' of ~~angsty edge-lords~~ in this hobby who think [[grimdark]] = deep and [[noblebright]] = boring. It's about the same way Batman gets spoken of in hushed, orgasmic tones while Superman is sneered at for being a "boyscout," despite both being loaded down with Sue-traits.		Secondly, some argue that the aasimar are... well, to put it bluntly, that they're boring. They're not alone in this, [[genasi]] get the same accusation thrown their way, but it is noted by some that their fluff does tend towards painting them in a generic "they're good because they're born to it, they're always the goody two-shoes race", and some find this less inspiring than the tieflings and their struggle to define themselves despite the expectations others have about them due to their ancestry and despite the temptations of their dark heritage. Also, let's be honest, there are a ''lot'' of edgelords in this hobby who think [[grimdark]] = deep and [[noblebright]] = boring. It's about the same way Batman gets spoken of in hushed, orgasmic tones while Superman is sneered at for being a "boyscout," despite both being loaded down with Sue-traits.

	In fact, this attitude is common enough that even WoTC gave it a nod, which led to the temporary replacement of aasimars with the [[deva]] race in 4th edition. When discussing adding them to [[5e]] early on, [[Mike Mearls]] specifically called attention to this complaint, and expressed a desire to avoid it, since he was a fan and didn't ''want'' them to be "boring."		In fact, this attitude is common enough that even WoTC gave it a nod, which led to the temporary replacement of aasimars with the [[deva]] race in 4th edition. When discussing adding them to [[5e]] early on, [[Mike Mearls]] specifically called attention to this complaint, and expressed a desire to avoid it, since he was a fan and didn't ''want'' them to be "boring."

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	Aasimar returned to [[Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition\|5e]] in the DMG as the sample race for showcasing the "build a race" rules. They're basically [[Tiefling]]s flipped to a more Celestial aspect, complete with sharing the same +1 Mental Stat (Wisdom, for Aasimar) +2 Charisma bonus, Darkvision, Damage Resistance (Necrotic + Radiant) and spell-like abilities at level 1 (Lights), 3 (Lesser Restoration) and 5 (Daylight) format. They were recently voted one of the three most-popular races for a new ''D&D'' expansion to create in detail, with [[Mike Mearls]] professing they were his favorite race and that he really wanted to do them right because, in his own words, there's a tendency to make the good guys boring.		Aasimar returned to [[Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition\|5e]] in the DMG as the sample race for showcasing the "build a race" rules. They're basically [[Tiefling]]s flipped to a more Celestial aspect, complete with sharing the same +1 Mental Stat (Wisdom, for Aasimar) +2 Charisma bonus, Darkvision, Damage Resistance (Necrotic + Radiant) and spell-like abilities at level 1 (Lights), 3 (Lesser Restoration) and 5 (Daylight) format. They were recently voted one of the three most-popular races for a new ''D&D'' expansion to create in detail, with [[Mike Mearls]] professing they were his favorite race and that he really wanted to do them right because, in his own words, there's a tendency to make the good guys boring.

	The first "official" release of the 5e aasimar didn't happen until November 2016, when they were one of the player races added in the [[Forgotten Realms]]-based "Volo's Guide to Monsters". This version takes them a good way away from the "radiant tiefling" ruleset, giving them new lore that ~~described~~ each aasimar ~~has~~ a celestial guide or deva who speaks to them through dreams, exhorting them to do good... [[Lawful Stupid\|often in a very harsh and inflexible way which doesn't take mortal perspectives into account]] (this is what’s supposed to be the cure for 'Aasimar being boring'.) They have three subraces, that gain special abilities at third level:		The first "official" release of the 5e aasimar didn't happen until November 2016, when they were one of the player races added in the [[Forgotten Realms]]-based ''Volo's Guide to Monsters''. This version takes them a good way away from the "radiant tiefling" ruleset, giving them healing powers and new lore that describes each aasimar as having a celestial guide or deva who speaks to them through dreams, exhorting them to do good...[[Lawful Stupid\|often in a very harsh and inflexible way which doesn't take mortal perspectives into account]] (this is what’s supposed to be the cure for 'Aasimar being boring'.) They have three subraces, that gain special abilities at third level:

	* The Protector aasimar, who get +1 Wisdom and can sprout wings and fly around dealing extra radiant damage on their spell and weapon attacks.		* The Protector aasimar, who get +1 Wisdom and can sprout wings and fly around dealing extra radiant damage on their spell and weapon attacks.

	* The Scourge aasimar, who get +1 Constitution and can [[Awesome\|turn into a living divine sunlamp that deals Radiant damage to everyone around them,]] [[Fail\|including themself]].		* The Scourge aasimar, who get +1 Constitution and can [[Awesome\|turn into a living divine sunlamp that deals Radiant damage to everyone around them,]] [[Fail\|including themself]].
			* And the Fallen Aasimar, who, having [[Chaos Space Marines\|turned to evil]], gets +1 Strength, causes fear in others, and deals Necrotic damage instead.

	* And the ~~Fallen Aasimar, who~~, ~~having [[Chaos Space Marines\|turned~~ to ~~evil]]~~, ~~gets +1 Strength~~, ~~causes fear in others~~, and ~~deals Necrotic damage instead~~.		Notably, VGtM makes it explicit that not all Aasimar are actually the blood kin of angels. Those would be Half-Celestials, which do not have 5e stats (this is probably similar to the difference between tieflings and cambions). Aasimar may be descendants of Divine Soul or Celestial Pact Sorcerers, Monks, Warlocks, and other sorts who share their soul with the divine and gain power from it. Others may be actually descended from Celestials, but so far-removed that their parents don't show any visible sign of it.

	~~Notably, Volo~~'s ~~Guide makes it explicit that not all Aasimar are actually~~ the ~~blood kin of angels. Those~~ would ~~be Half~~-~~Celestials, which do not have 5e~~ stats ~~(this is probably similar~~ to the ~~difference between tieflings and cambions). Aasimar may be descendants~~ of ~~Divine Soul or Celestial Pact Sorcerers, Monks, Warlocks, and other sorts who share~~ their ~~soul with~~ the ~~divine and gain power from it. Others may be actually descended from Celestials, but so far-removed that their parents don't show any visible sign of it~~.		''Mordekainen's Monsters of the Multiverse'' would mostly reuse this statline, though reverting the stat boosts to the now-standard +2/+1 to two stats or +1 to three stats. The most considerable changes are the healing power now being set to d4xProficiency bonus instead of just their level as well as the Scourge ability no longer dealing damage to the aasimar or having a damaging aura.

	===Exploring Eberron===		===Exploring Eberron===

1d4chan>QuietBrowser: Rake is old-timey slang for "selfish sleazeball who seduces women and then abandons them when he's gotten what he wants", basically. See Rake (Stock Character) on wikipedia.

2022-01-27T04:46:45Z

Rake is old-timey slang for "selfish sleazeball who seduces women and then abandons them when he's gotten what he wants", basically. See Rake (Stock Character) on wikipedia.

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	In Pathfinder, it's noted that a lot of Aasimar actually tend to go evil either because superstitious yokels tend to pile on emotional trauma and guilt until they snap by constantly harassing them for "blessings" that the aasimar can't actually give, or because they realize everyone automatically expects them to be capital-G Good Guys/Girls and so they can easily manipulate people. This is yet another way in which Pathfinder likes to present itself as the [[GrimDark]] D&D equivalent setting. They can have lots of different possible starting types, depending on which kind of celestial they descended from. Interestingly, supplements [[/d/\|explicitly encourage white-hot holy-on-unholy action]] by stressing the odd sense of kinship most aasimar feel for their similarly-bullshit-cultural-expectation-wracked fiend-blooded counterparts.		In Pathfinder, it's noted that a lot of Aasimar actually tend to go evil either because superstitious yokels tend to pile on emotional trauma and guilt until they snap by constantly harassing them for "blessings" that the aasimar can't actually give, or because they realize everyone automatically expects them to be capital-G Good Guys/Girls and so they can easily manipulate people. This is yet another way in which Pathfinder likes to present itself as the [[GrimDark]] D&D equivalent setting. They can have lots of different possible starting types, depending on which kind of celestial they descended from. Interestingly, supplements [[/d/\|explicitly encourage white-hot holy-on-unholy action]] by stressing the odd sense of kinship most aasimar feel for their similarly-bullshit-cultural-expectation-wracked fiend-blooded counterparts.

	Notably, the very first Golarion Adventure Path, ''Rise of the Runelords'', made before ''Pathfinder'' was a game in its own right rather than an extension of the 3.5 system, features an aasimar as the main villain for the first module~~, who~~, after a lifetime of mistreatment and abuse at the hands of her foster father, the town priest, ~~and~~ after being knocked up and abandoned by a passing rake (~~note: using a gardening implement as a dildo in real life will not get you pregnant but is still strongly advised against~~), swore her soul to [[Lamashtu]] and began mutating into a monster.		Notably, the very first Golarion Adventure Path, ''Rise of the Runelords'', made before ''Pathfinder'' was a game in its own right rather than an extension of the 3.5 system, features an aasimar as the main villain for the first module. Her story is that, after a lifetime of mistreatment and abuse at the hands of her foster father, the town priest, which only got worse after she wound up being knocked up and abandoned by a passing [[rake]] (with the baby being stillborn for good measure), she swore her soul to [[Lamashtu]] and began deliberately mutating herself into a monster.

	Naturally, the Pathfinder Aasimar sourcebook, "Blood of Angels" follows the same plans as the Tiefling sourcebook "Blood of Fiends", giving a D100 table for alternative traits to replace the vanilla aasimar's spell-like ability, and racial variants for aasimar recognizably tied to one of the existing celestial races - Agathions, Angels, Archons, Azata, Garudas and Peris. It also states that as Tieflings have increased in number as a result of the Worldwound and Cheliax bringing a shit ton of fiends to the material plane, Aasimar have also increased in numbers for some unknown reason. It also states Aasimar are not only those with celestial ancestors, but also children born of miraculous and normally impossible births whose parents prayed for children (old, infertile, incompatible races ect.). There's a sidebar that mentions the old "Aasimar of all races use the same statistics", but adds one wrinkle that small races produce Aasimar that are small size with no other stats changes. Note that the lower strength and speed of most small races isn't actually an inherit part of being small, so small Aasimar are strong and quick for their size. The ''Kingmaker'' video game has a minor NPC mention that just having celestials and consecrated stuff around the parents can result in children being born Aasimar.		Naturally, the Pathfinder Aasimar sourcebook, "Blood of Angels" follows the same plans as the Tiefling sourcebook "Blood of Fiends", giving a D100 table for alternative traits to replace the vanilla aasimar's spell-like ability, and racial variants for aasimar recognizably tied to one of the existing celestial races - Agathions, Angels, Archons, Azata, Garudas and Peris. It also states that as Tieflings have increased in number as a result of the Worldwound and Cheliax bringing a shit ton of fiends to the material plane, Aasimar have also increased in numbers for some unknown reason. It also states Aasimar are not only those with celestial ancestors, but also children born of miraculous and normally impossible births whose parents prayed for children (old, infertile, incompatible races ect.). There's a sidebar that mentions the old "Aasimar of all races use the same statistics", but adds one wrinkle that small races produce Aasimar that are small size with no other stats changes. Note that the lower strength and speed of most small races isn't actually an inherit part of being small, so small Aasimar are strong and quick for their size. The ''Kingmaker'' video game has a minor NPC mention that just having celestials and consecrated stuff around the parents can result in children being born Aasimar.