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	===Key differences between 40k and 30k===		===Key differences between 40k and 30k===
	30k is a very different beast to modern Warhammer 40k, despite not looking like it on the surface. Firstly while 9th edition 40k ~~used~~ AoS as it's basis, 30k uses 7th edition 40k as it's basis, which means many things that disappeared from 40k are still around in 30k, most notably Armor Values for Vehicles (except for Dreadnoughts and Land Speeders, which have Toughness and Wounds like infantry), Universal Special Rules, Initiative and the Weapon Skill of units interacting with each other. These differences means that Horus Heresy plays much more like the older editions of 40k, with a lot of the same caveats. The direction of tanks is important both to keep them alive and because their guns can't magically shoot through the tank to hit someone on the other side. On the infantry front, you need to be more considerate when you pick targets for shooting, since you can't fire what ever you want at how you want. Everyone must shoot at the same target, you can only charge units you have shot at, and you can only charge after shooting if you shoot Assault or Pistol weapons or have not fired your weapons at all.		30k is a very different beast to modern Warhammer 40k, despite not looking like it on the surface. Firstly while <s>9th</s> 10th edition 40k uses AoS as it's basis, 30k uses 7th edition 40k as it's basis, which means many things that disappeared from 40k are still around in 30k, most notably Armor Values for Vehicles (except for Dreadnoughts and Land Speeders, which have Toughness and Wounds like infantry), <s>Universal Special Rules</s>, paying for wargear, Initiative and the Weapon Skill of units interacting with each other. These differences means that Horus Heresy plays much more like the older editions of 40k, with a lot of the same caveats. The direction of tanks is important both to keep them alive and because their guns can't magically shoot through the tank to hit someone on the other side. On the infantry front, you need to be more considerate when you pick targets for shooting, since you can't fire what ever you want at how you want. Everyone must shoot at the same target, you can only charge units you have shot at, and you can only charge after shooting if you shoot Assault or Pistol weapons or have not fired your weapons at all.

	One of the big differences between 40k and 30k is the community approach to army building and theming (discussed in further below), as 30k is pseudohistorical and the 30k community has become more focused on balanced and fluffy army lists over hyper-competitive army lists. As a result army lists designed to purely crush your opponent and not built around any sort of cohesive army theme are not well tolerated by the existing 30k community and failure to comply with the social standards put in place will get you labelled a "prick" and no one will want to play with you. This scenario can easily be avoided however by simply picking a theme, painting your models and not being a cunt while building your army list and actually playing the game.		One of the big differences between 40k and 30k is the community approach to army building and theming (discussed in further below), as 30k is pseudohistorical and the 30k community has become more focused on balanced and fluffy army lists over hyper-competitive army lists. As a result army lists designed to purely crush your opponent and not built around any sort of cohesive army theme are not well tolerated by the existing 30k community and failure to comply with the social standards put in place will get you labelled a "prick" and no one will want to play with you. This scenario can easily be avoided however by simply picking a theme, painting your models and not being a cunt while building your army list and actually playing the game.

1d4chan>Flutist: /* Key differences between old 30k and 2.0 */

2023-04-30T08:59:43Z

Key differences between old 30k and 2.0

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	*'''Scoring units:''' Scoring is now determined by the type of unit it is, not which Force org slot it fills. Units with the ''Line'' sub-type are now your scoring and denial units and while most troop choices will have them some don't, so you'll need to double check the unit sub-type and make sure you bring units that can actually secure the objectives.		*'''Scoring units:''' Scoring is now determined by the type of unit it is, not which Force org slot it fills. Units with the ''Line'' sub-type are now your scoring and denial units and while most troop choices will have them some don't, so you'll need to double check the unit sub-type and make sure you bring units that can actually secure the objectives.
	*'''Blast Weapons AP:''' After a general amount of complaining from the community that there were too many AP3 and AP2 Blast weapons, the new edition has heavily reigned back most of these weapons (arguably going to far in the other direction), by either reducing the Blast size, increasing their AP so most artillery guns now sport AP4 as the standard AP value, or both. This means that most of the old reliable MEQ and TEQ squad clearers are no longer effective at these jobs and while some have become effective at other things, such as the Demolisher cannon becoming a fairly effective anti-monster/vehicle/fortification weapon, figuring out new ways to deal with 3+ and 2+ saves will be important.		*'''Blast Weapons AP:''' After a general amount of complaining from the community that there were too many AP3 and AP2 Blast weapons, the new edition has heavily reigned back most of these weapons (arguably going to far in the other direction), by either reducing the Blast size, increasing their AP so most artillery guns now sport AP4 as the standard AP value, or both. This means that most of the old reliable MEQ and TEQ squad clearers are no longer effective at these jobs and while some have become effective at other things, such as the Demolisher cannon becoming a fairly effective anti-monster/vehicle/fortification weapon, figuring out new ways to deal with 3+ and 2+ saves will be important.
			*'''Night Fighting:''' actually means something now, and most missions have it. If either of the players declare they want to use those rules, on a roll of 2+ they are in effect on the first turn. You can't draw LoS to an enemy further than the 24" unless a unit has some way to ignore it, AND all units receive -1 BS and LD. Night Fighting and Cognis allow you to ignore all limitations; other stuff like Auguries only the 24" LoS part. Be mindful about it when writing your roster: just standing there getting blasted off the board with no way to retaliate is not fun.

	===Key differences between 40k and 30k===		===Key differences between 40k and 30k===

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* Required Books */

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Required Books

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	**The Ruinstorm Daemons will get a PDF armylist.		**The Ruinstorm Daemons will get a PDF armylist.
	**Blackshields and the Knights-Errant will be getting their own book at some point in the future.		**Blackshields and the Knights-Errant will be getting their own book at some point in the future.
			*Campaign Books for potential battleplans. So far the only one confirmed is ''Siege of [[Cthonia]]''.

	==Key differences between old 30k and 2.0==		==Key differences between old 30k and 2.0==

1d4chan>SabbatMartyr: /* Required Books */

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Required Books

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	*The 2.0 Age of Darkness Rules.		*The 2.0 Age of Darkness Rules.
	*Your army's Rulebook. May be in PDF form at the moment.		*Your army's Rulebook. May be in PDF form at the moment.
	**''Liber Astartes'' and ''Liber ~~Traitoris~~'' provide rules for the general Legiones Astartes army list as well as the respective legions based on their allegiance.		**''Liber Astartes'' and ''Liber Hereticus'' provide rules for the general Legiones Astartes army list as well as the respective legions based on their allegiance.
	***''Legacies of the Age of Darkness'' lets you port over more modern stuff and the things without rules from the FW black books. And the [[Hammerfall Bunker]], for some reason. Only use if you really like the units included, because the rules-writing for this is ''atrocious''.		***''Legacies of the Age of Darkness'' lets you port over more modern stuff and the things without rules from the FW black books. And the [[Hammerfall Bunker]], [[Derp\|for some reason]]. Only use if you really like the units included, because the rules-writing for this is ''atrocious''.
	****Comes in [https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/RZRGS5ADYjwUb7Ry.pdf Legiones Astartes], [https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/WJKYil2FehoZxrD9.pdf Mechanicum], and [https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/sWDrsyXpKZHZ4LIt.pdf Solar Auxilia] flavours.		****Comes in [https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/RZRGS5ADYjwUb7Ry.pdf Legiones Astartes], [https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/WJKYil2FehoZxrD9.pdf Mechanicum], and [https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/sWDrsyXpKZHZ4LIt.pdf Solar Auxilia] flavours.
	****[https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/j2TwD3c2AB8oLsVW.pdf The Imperialis Militia] is contained in their own Legacies doc.		****[https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/j2TwD3c2AB8oLsVW.pdf The Imperialis Militia] is contained in their own Legacies doc, and is actually pretty solid over all.
	***The ''Exemplary Battles'' PDFs and the ''[https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/SjrRPYUuOeTbZ2Mu.pdf Exemplary Battles Update]'' give you smaller supplementary units for certain legions as well as potential battleplans.		***The ''Exemplary Battles'' PDFs and the ''[https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/SjrRPYUuOeTbZ2Mu.pdf Exemplary Battles Update]'' give you smaller supplementary units for certain legions as well as potential battleplans.
	**''Liber Mechanicum'' provides rules for the Mechanicum's forces as well as special detachments for Knights and Titans.		**''Liber Mechanicum'' provides rules for the Mechanicum's forces as well as special detachments for Knights and Titans.

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* Unit Subtypes */

2023-04-28T22:44:52Z

Unit Subtypes

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	*''Heavy'' units largely represent heavily-armored things like marines with boarding shields and Cataphractii terminators. They can re-roll saves against template and blast weapons, but they can't run and any movement during a reaction must take a -1 penalty.		*''Heavy'' units largely represent heavily-armored things like marines with boarding shields and Cataphractii terminators. They can re-roll saves against template and blast weapons, but they can't run and any movement during a reaction must take a -1 penalty.
	*''Light'' units represent lightly-armored troops like Scouts. These units gain +1 to their run distance or any movement during a reaction (which stacks with rules like Fleet (X)) and can fire snap shots after running, but they can't take cover saves after running.		*''Light'' units represent lightly-armored troops like Scouts. These units gain +1 to their run distance or any movement during a reaction (which stacks with rules like Fleet (X)) and can fire snap shots after running, but they can't take cover saves after running.
	*''Monstrous'' ~~likely represents~~ things like ~~daemon brutes~~. They can never be pinned and can always fire any weapons they ~~can~~, counting as stationary when doing so. They can also charge regardless of any shooting attacks they make.		*''Monstrous'' is for bulky things like Castellax and greater daemons. They can never be pinned and can always fire any weapons they have, counting as stationary when doing so. They can also charge regardless of any shooting attacks they make.
	*''Paragon'' units are the best of their kinds, most commonly seen on Paragons of Iron in the Mechanicum. These units cannot suffer any penalties to their stats like Primarchs. They can also fire any guns they want in a turn, even after moving. The only drawback, if you can even call it one, is that they cannot join any units.		*''Paragon'' units are the best of their kinds, most commonly seen on Paragons of Iron in the Mechanicum. These units cannot suffer any penalties to their stats like Primarchs. They can also fire any guns they want in a turn, even after moving. The only drawback, if you can even call it one, is that they cannot join any units.
	*''Psyker'' represents...well, psykers.		*''Psyker'' represents...well, psykers.
	*''Unique'' units are just that. You can only take one Unique unit of a given type in each army, though you can take two different units that each have the subtype. They are also restricted to whatever wargear is on their army list profile even if their Legiones Astartes (X) rule would normally let them use something else.		*''Unique'' units are just that. You can only take one Unique unit of a given type in each army, though you can take two different units that each have the subtype. They are also restricted to whatever wargear is on their army list profile even if their Legiones Astartes (X) rule would normally let them use something else.
	*''Skirmish'' represents scouts and other units that rely on speed and cover to survive. They have a larger unit coherency range and improve their cover saves by 1.		*''Skirmish'' represents scouts and other units that rely on speed and cover to survive. They have a larger unit coherency range and improve their cover saves by 1.

	===Universal Special Rules===		===Universal Special Rules===

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* Required Books */

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Required Books

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	**''Liber Astartes'' and ''Liber Traitoris'' provide rules for the general Legiones Astartes army list as well as the respective legions based on their allegiance.		**''Liber Astartes'' and ''Liber Traitoris'' provide rules for the general Legiones Astartes army list as well as the respective legions based on their allegiance.
	***''Legacies of the Age of Darkness'' lets you port over more modern stuff and the things without rules from the FW black books. And the [[Hammerfall Bunker]], for some reason. Only use if you really like the units included, because the rules-writing for this is ''atrocious''.		***''Legacies of the Age of Darkness'' lets you port over more modern stuff and the things without rules from the FW black books. And the [[Hammerfall Bunker]], for some reason. Only use if you really like the units included, because the rules-writing for this is ''atrocious''.
	****Comes in [https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/RZRGS5ADYjwUb7Ry.pdf Legiones Astartes] ~~and~~ [https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/WJKYil2FehoZxrD9.pdf Mechanicum] flavours.		****Comes in [https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/RZRGS5ADYjwUb7Ry.pdf Legiones Astartes], [https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/WJKYil2FehoZxrD9.pdf Mechanicum], and [https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/sWDrsyXpKZHZ4LIt.pdf Solar Auxilia] flavours.
			****[https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/j2TwD3c2AB8oLsVW.pdf The Imperialis Militia] is contained in their own Legacies doc.
	***The ''Exemplary Battles'' PDFs and the ''[https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/SjrRPYUuOeTbZ2Mu.pdf Exemplary Battles Update]'' give you smaller supplementary units for certain legions as well as potential battleplans.		***The ''Exemplary Battles'' PDFs and the ''[https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/SjrRPYUuOeTbZ2Mu.pdf Exemplary Battles Update]'' give you smaller supplementary units for certain legions as well as potential battleplans.
	**''Liber Mechanicum'' provides rules for the Mechanicum's forces as well as special detachments for Knights and Titans.		**''Liber Mechanicum'' provides rules for the Mechanicum's forces as well as special detachments for Knights and Titans.
	**''Liber Imperium'' provides rules for the [[Solar Auxilia]] as well as a way to include the agents of the [[Officio Assassinorum]]. It also includes the Talons of the Emperor!		**''Liber Imperium'' provides rules for the [[Solar Auxilia]] as well as a way to include the agents of the [[Officio Assassinorum\|Divisio Assassinorum]]. It also includes the Talons of the Emperor!
	**The ~~Imperial Militia and Warp Cults, and~~ Ruinstorm Daemons will ~~all~~ get PDF ~~armylists~~.		**The Ruinstorm Daemons will get a PDF armylist.
	**Blackshields and the Knights-Errant will be getting their own book at some point in the future.		**Blackshields and the Knights-Errant will be getting their own book at some point in the future.

1d4chan>SabbatMartyr: /* Key differences between old 30k and 2.0 */

2023-03-09T14:20:01Z

Key differences between old 30k and 2.0

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	*'''Movement:''' Gone are the universal movement values for unit types, movement is now a value on each units similar to 8th/9th edition 40k, AoS and WHFB. Interestingly while 6" remain the standard for humans, Space Marines have been given a movement Value of 7" to better represent their superhuman speed, making them run at the same speed as Eldar do in 40k. [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|Take that, you knife eared bastards]].		*'''Movement:''' Gone are the universal movement values for unit types, movement is now a value on each units similar to 8th/9th edition 40k, AoS and WHFB. Interestingly while 6" remain the standard for humans, Space Marines have been given a movement Value of 7" to better represent their superhuman speed, making them run at the same speed as Eldar do in 40k. [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|Take that, you knife eared bastards]].
	*'''Reactions:''' The new gimmick for 2.0, reactions allow units to make tactical choices in response to actions taken by the opponent during their movement, shooting and assault phases, allowing units to fall back, trigger overwatch, counter charge, return fire, etc. during the opponents turn. This seems to be an attempt to balance against the person who goes first and also allow more interactive between both players during the entire game, not just during their own turns. Normally only one reaction can be taken during each phase, but pretty much every faction has one "advanced reaction" the army can do in a specific phase, albeit under far stricter circumstances. Some people view it as an interesting addition, some people view them as shitty stratagems with no CP requirements, which imbalance the game. Will people be happy and learn to love them and not argue? Do you really need to ask that?		*'''Reactions:''' The new gimmick for 2.0, reactions allow units to make tactical choices in response to actions taken by the opponent during their movement, shooting and assault phases, allowing units to fall back, trigger overwatch, counter charge, return fire, etc. during the opponents turn. This seems to be an attempt to balance against the person who goes first and also allow more interactive between both players during the entire game, not just during their own turns. Normally only one reaction can be taken during each phase, but pretty much every faction has one "advanced reaction" the army can do in a specific phase, albeit under far stricter circumstances. Some people view it as an interesting addition, some people view them as shitty stratagems with no CP requirements, which imbalance the game. Will people be happy and learn to love them and not argue? Do you really need to ask that?
	*'''Psychic Phase:''' It's gone. Seeing that 7th edition's clunky psychic phase that had been plaguing heresy for years, and the fact that a single army almost always got to use it unopposed, FW seems to have just wiped it from the game. This news was met with [[Space Wolves\|most peoples rejoicing]] and [[Thousand Sons\|some people's dismay]]. Psychic powers are now done in specific phases, as stated by each power and ~~can be picked rather than rolled~~ for (thank god).		*'''Psychic Phase:''' It's gone. Seeing that 7th edition's clunky psychic phase that had been plaguing heresy for years, and the fact that a single army almost always got to use it unopposed, FW seems to have just wiped it from the game. This news was met with [[Space Wolves\|most peoples rejoicing]] and [[Thousand Sons\|some people's dismay]]. Psychic powers are now done in specific phases as stated by each psychic power, and each discipline has two powers that the psyker automatically has access too, so not more rolling for powers (thank god).
	*'''Weapon Skill:''' Melee combat has been made far more brutal and much less forgiving as a combat is capable of slipping into one sided savagery if engagements are not thought out by one of the sides. You now only hit on 4's if you WS is equal to each other, with a unit hitting the other on 3's if it has better WS and 2's if it has double or higher WS. The same applies in reverse as having worse WS means you hit on 5's and having half or less WS means you hit on 6's. This makes high WS characters and Primarchs absolutely savage in most engagements, hitting most things on 3's and 2's, and even having having a 1 WS difference between a two units can really throw one unit on the backfoot and make the combat an uphill battle for them.		*'''Weapon Skill:''' Melee combat has been made far more brutal and much less forgiving as a combat is capable of slipping into one sided savagery if engagements are not thought out by one of the sides. You now only hit on 4's if you WS is equal to each other, with a unit hitting the other on 3's if it has better WS and 2's if it has double or higher WS. The same applies in reverse as having worse WS means you hit on 5's and having half or less WS means you hit on 6's. This makes high WS characters and Primarchs absolutely savage in most engagements, hitting most things on 3's and 2's, and even having having a 1 WS difference between a two units can really throw one unit on the backfoot and make the combat an uphill battle for them.
	*'''Revised USRs:''' You'll notice quite a few new and revamped USRs and unit types, all to account for the fact that it's no longer moored to the old system. This results in things like Plasma weapons having a pseudo-Rending that won't work on vehicles and Line units essentially gaining ObSec.		*'''Revised USRs:''' You'll notice quite a few new and revamped USRs and unit types, all to account for the fact that it's no longer moored to the old system. This results in things like Plasma weapons having a pseudo-Rending that won't work on vehicles and Line units essentially gaining ObSec.

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2023-03-06T17:37:36Z

Reactions

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	*'''Overwatch:''' The old and venerable classic. Fortunately, your unit counts as though they didn't move so you can still fire your heavy bolters and the like without worry.		*'''Overwatch:''' The old and venerable classic. Fortunately, your unit counts as though they didn't move so you can still fire your heavy bolters and the like without worry.
	*'''Hold the Line:''' Roll a morale check for your unit. If it passes and your enemy charged successfully, the charge will count as disordered. If the enemy charge failed, then any other charges against this unit will count as disordered.		*'''Hold the Line:''' Roll a morale check for your unit. If it passes and your enemy charged successfully, the charge will count as disordered. If the enemy charge failed, then any other charges against this unit will count as disordered. If you fail you fall back as normal for failing a moral check. However, if the charging unit can still reach your unit with its charge roll, after your unit has fallen back, it is destroyed.
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2001:8003:1C20:8C00:90C4:BD1D:C5DD:E26B: /* But I like my kidneys! */

2023-02-19T09:05:03Z

But I like my kidneys!

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	**Those plastic space marine kits made specifically for Heresy (duh). As an added benefit these won't be at risk of going out of stock anytime soon.		**Those plastic space marine kits made specifically for Heresy (duh). As an added benefit these won't be at risk of going out of stock anytime soon.
	***You could also use the 40k Tactical Marine Squad, albeit not out of the box. Hear me out: if you're willing to put the work in, shaving off the chest eagles, clipping the helmet crests until the helmet is flush, filing the knee pads to a point and adding either some sculpted cables or some guitar strings to make a suit of MKV plate is among the easier conversions out there.		***You could also use the 40k Tactical Marine Squad, albeit not out of the box. Hear me out: if you're willing to put the work in, shaving off the chest eagles, clipping the helmet crests until the helmet is flush, filing the knee pads to a point and adding either some sculpted cables or some guitar strings to make a suit of MKV plate is among the easier conversions out there.
			***Note the above requires a LOT of converting and really should only be done if you like converting or have spare 40k Tacticals laying around, given a 40k Tactical Squad of 10 marines costs US$55 ($5.50 per marine) compared to a 30k Tactical Squad of 20 costing US$80 ($4 per marine).
	**The plastic Custodes and Sisters of Silence made for Heresy (double duh).		**The plastic Custodes and Sisters of Silence made for Heresy (double duh).
	**Mars pattern vehicles (this would be the GW Rhinos and the vanilla Land Raiders, though Mars pattern is smaller than newly-made Deimos, so it can cause trouble in hyper-competitive environment).		**Mars pattern vehicles (this would be the GW Rhinos and the vanilla Land Raiders, though Mars pattern is smaller than newly-made Deimos, so it can cause trouble in hyper-competitive environment).