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Troops

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	All troops here cost 220pt. and are considered '''Battleline''' if the army has '''DEATHLORDS''' allegiance.		All troops here cost 220pt. and are considered '''Battleline''' if the army has '''DEATHLORDS''' allegiance.

	*'''Morghast Harbingers:''' These things have the works. High movement, lots of wounds and five attacks with two damage each. They also grant nearby Death Wizards +1 to summoning spells and have the same 3D6" charge range ability the Stormcast Prosecutors have. This ability, by the way, makes it way easier for the Harbingers to charge straight after being summoned, as those 10" are way more reachable with 3D6. The only reason not to use them is because the Archai also exist. (whilst not a Deathlords unit, Varghiests provide much the same sort of power much cheaper. They can't be summoned, ~~dont~~ charge 3d6 and have a worse save. But, they have just as many of the exact same attacks per unit and can generate more by slaying enemy models, have the same amount of wounds per unit and cost around a third less points per unit. Really depends on whether or not you are taking your Morghasts for summoning because you could just as easily ally for some of these.)		*'''Morghast Harbingers:''' These things have the works. High movement, lots of wounds and five attacks with two damage each. They also grant nearby Death Wizards +1 to summoning spells and have the same 3D6" charge range ability the Stormcast Prosecutors have. This ability, by the way, makes it way easier for the Harbingers to charge straight after being summoned, as those 10" are way more reachable with 3D6. The only reason not to use them is because the Archai also exist. (whilst not a Deathlords unit, Varghiests provide much the same sort of power much cheaper. They can't be summoned, don't charge 3d6 and have a worse save. But, they have just as many of the exact same attacks per unit and can generate more by slaying enemy models, have the same amount of wounds per unit and cost around a third less points per unit. Really depends on whether or not you are taking your Morghasts for summoning because you could just as easily ally for some of these.)

	*'''Morghast Archai:''' Basically a Harbinger, but exchanging 5 attacks at -1 Rend and 2 damage for 3 attacks at -2 Rend and 3 damage and, more importantly, instead of 3D6" charge, they have a 5+ bonus save against mortal wounds, giving them a lot more staying power as everyone and their mom will be gunning for your Morghasts.		*'''Morghast Archai:''' Basically a Harbinger, but exchanging 5 attacks at -1 Rend and 2 damage for 3 attacks at -2 Rend and 3 damage and, more importantly, instead of 3D6" charge, they have a 5+ bonus save against mortal wounds, giving them a lot more staying power as everyone and their mom will be gunning for your Morghasts.

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	===Leaders===		===Leaders===
	*'''Nagash, Supreme Lord of the Undead:''' Has '''Behemoth''' status. Absolute and undeniable overkill in all but the biggest games (only ones in which he can be deployed since he costs '''800 FUCKING POINTS'''.). You want specifics? Alright. He's got 16 Wounds at a 3+ save with an additional 4+ save against Mortal Wounds. He can also cast up to 8 spells, so upping that to 2+ with Mystic Shield is really simple (Putting him in terrain and casting mystic shield will give you a 2+ save with a +1 to save rolls. Effectively a 1+ save for extra lulz (this is not true. Terrain does not give MONSTERS cover. Nagash is a monster. Check his keywords). He also has a huge modifier to his casting rolls in case anyone wanted to unbind his spells or when you're attempting the tough stuff and when he summons stuff, he summons twice as much (eg. 2 Zombie Dragons, 2 Banshees, 40 Zombies instead of 20). He's got a strong shooting attack and two unique spells, one that inflicts damage off of Bravery and regenerates him by what the enemy lost and one that has a 50% chance (more if you're good at stage magic) of killing anything in one strike. He also has a powerful melee profile and a great Command Ability. Simply put, you play him, you win. This jerk is why most people house-rule summoning spells. Since summoning was nerfed in competitive play and the rule of one applying to spells, Nagash really kind of sucks. Most of his powers come from being able to cast lots of spells but he can now really only cast 4 a turn (Which isn't terrible) and in melee he hits like a VLoZD, which is good. But is it all worth 800 points. Not even close. Just take a VloZD and Mannfred instead. Hits twice as hard in combat with slightly less spellcasting.		*'''Nagash, Supreme Lord of the Undead:''' Has '''Behemoth''' status. Absolute and undeniable overkill in all but the biggest games (only ones in which he can be deployed since he costs '''800 FUCKING POINTS'''.). You want specifics? Alright. He's got 16 Wounds at a 3+ save with an additional 4+ save against Mortal Wounds. He can also cast up to 8 spells, so upping that to 2+ with Mystic Shield is really simple. He also has a huge modifier to his casting rolls in case anyone wanted to unbind his spells or when you're attempting the tough stuff and when he summons stuff, he summons twice as much (eg. 2 Zombie Dragons, 2 Banshees, 40 Zombies instead of 20). He's got a strong shooting attack and two unique spells, one that inflicts damage off of Bravery and regenerates him by what the enemy lost and one that has a 50% chance (more if you're good at stage magic) of killing anything in one strike. He also has a powerful melee profile and a great Command Ability. Simply put, you play him, you win. This jerk is why most people house-rule summoning spells. Since summoning was nerfed in competitive play and the rule of one applying to spells, Nagash really kind of sucks. Most of his powers come from being able to cast lots of spells but he can now really only cast 4 a turn (Which isn't terrible) and in melee he hits like a VLoZD, which is good. But is it all worth 800 points. Not even close. Just take a VloZD and Mannfred instead. Hits twice as hard in combat with slightly less spellcasting.

	*'''Mannfred, Mortarch of Night:''' Just like Nagash, Mannfred has '''Behemoth''' status. This beauty sits on top of the Mortarchs point pyramid at 420pt. The close combat monster of the three, because Mannfreds' already powerful melee profiles get added to the powerful profiles of the Dread Abyssal. Like all Mortarchs he heals 2 Wounds whenever he kills a model in combat, can cast twice though with no modifiers (gains +1 to cast/unbind if his sword kills something) and gets a bonus to Hit and Wound with his sword if he successfully casts a spell. The Armour of Templehof also means a lot more on such a huge target like this. Also, the Vigour of Undeath ability that non-Mortarch Mannfred has gets buffed a lot by affecting ALL Death units in range instead of just one, though that range varies with his Wound count. Mannfred is an absolute combat beast. His sword (provided you cast at least one spell that turn) hits and wounds on a 2+, and if you use Mannfred's command ability (Which you should, only Nagash's is better) makes both of those 2s rerollable. This basically guarantees that he is hitting at all times with 4 -1 d3 damage attacks, not including his 2 sickle-glaive attacks, or his Dread Abyssal's attacks, or the spirits. The sheer number of rending multi-damage attacks that he puts out a turn will rip most enemies to pieces.		*'''Mannfred, Mortarch of Night:''' Just like Nagash, Mannfred has '''Behemoth''' status. This beauty sits on top of the Mortarchs point pyramid at 420pt. The close combat monster of the three, because Mannfreds' already powerful melee profiles get added to the powerful profiles of the Dread Abyssal. Like all Mortarchs he heals 2 Wounds whenever he kills a model in combat, can cast twice though with no modifiers (gains +1 to cast/unbind if his sword kills something) and gets a bonus to Hit and Wound with his sword if he successfully casts a spell. The Armour of Templehof also means a lot more on such a huge target like this. Also, the Vigour of Undeath ability that non-Mortarch Mannfred has gets buffed a lot by affecting ALL Death units in range instead of just one, though that range varies with his Wound count. Mannfred is an absolute combat beast. His sword (provided you cast at least one spell that turn) hits and wounds on a 2+, and if you use Mannfred's command ability (Which you should, only Nagash's is better) makes both of those 2s rerollable. This basically guarantees that he is hitting at all times with 4 -1 d3 damage attacks, not including his 2 sickle-glaive attacks, or his Dread Abyssal's attacks, or the spirits. The sheer number of rending multi-damage attacks that he puts out a turn will rip most enemies to pieces.

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	~~==Note== This is all old~~ rules ~~that have been superseded by~~ Legions of Nagash, ~~check that tactica for up to date rules~~		'''These are the rules for Deathlords prior to the release of the [[Age of Sigmar/Tactics/Death/Legions of Nagash\| Legions of Nagash]] Battletome, and as such are no longer matched play valid.'''

	==Why Play Deathlords?==		==Why Play Deathlords?==

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External links

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	https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-deathlords-morghastarcai-en.pdf		https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-deathlords-morghastarcai-en.pdf
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Why Play Deathlords?

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			==Note== This is all old rules that have been superseded by Legions of Nagash, check that tactica for up to date rules

	==Why Play Deathlords?==		==Why Play Deathlords?==
	Because aside from having some of the coolest models in the entire game, if not '''THE''' coolest, you don't feel like [[Sigmar\|sucking Space Thor's golden cock]] and playing [[Stormcast_Eternals\|Sigmarines]] like 85% of the rest of the Age of Sigmar community. Full disclaimer: you are opting to play one of the most overlooked and underwhelming armies in the game, don't expect to win very many		Because aside from having some of the coolest models in the entire game, if not '''THE''' coolest, you don't feel like [[Sigmar\|sucking Space Thor's golden cock]] and playing [[Stormcast_Eternals\|Sigmarines]] like 85% of the rest of the Age of Sigmar community. Full disclaimer: you are opting to play one of the most overlooked and underwhelming armies in the game, don't expect to win very many

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Can't Touch this(2000pts)

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	*Total: 2000 / 2000		*Total: 2000 / 2000
	*Allies: 400 / 400		*Allies: 400 / 400


	===I'll take "my friends all hate me for 1000pts"===		===I'll take "my friends all hate me for 1000pts"===

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	==Why Play Deathlords?==		==Why Play Deathlords?==
	Because aside from having some of the coolest models in the entire game, if not '''THE''' coolest, you don't feel like [[Sigmar\|sucking Space Thor's golden cock]] and playing [[Stormcast_Eternals\|Sigmarines]] like 85% of the rest of the Age of Sigmar community. Full disclaimer: you are opting to play one of the most overlooked and underwhelming armies in the game, don't expect to win very many		Because aside from having some of the coolest models in the entire game, if not '''THE''' coolest, you don't feel like [[Sigmar\|sucking Space Thor's golden cock]] and playing [[Stormcast_Eternals\|Sigmarines]] like 85% of the rest of the Age of Sigmar community. Full disclaimer: you are opting to play one of the most overlooked and underwhelming armies in the game, don't expect to win very many

	===Pros===		===Pros===
	*Like stated above, you have objectively the most fucking amazing models in the game at your disposal		*Like stated above, you have objectively the most fucking amazing models in the game at your disposal
	*With the release of the General's Handbook 2017, Deathlords can now ally in '''ANY''' of the other Death sub-factions and every single model will still benefit from the Deathless Minions Allegiance ability. This is unique to Deathlords, as all other sub-factions require specific keywords for their Deathless Minions to function.		*With the release of the General's Handbook 2017, Deathlords can now ally in '''ANY''' of the other Death sub-factions and every single model will still benefit from the Deathless Minions Allegiance ability. This is unique to Deathlords, as all other sub-factions require specific keywords for their Deathless Minions to function.
	*Your faction leader is [[Nagash]], who is probably [[Awesome\|the most evil badass this side of the Space Mississipi]]		*Your faction leader is [[Nagash]], who is probably [[Awesome\|the most evil badass this side of the Space Mississipi]]
	*Strong Magic potential from all four heroes		*Strong Magic potential from all four heroes
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	*Your slowest models still move 9"		*Your slowest models still move 9"
	*You are the edgiest edgelord to ever have edged		*You are the edgiest edgelord to ever have edged
	*General's Handbook 2 gave some much needed points reductions to your army as well as the ability to Ally in other Death units.		*General's Handbook 2 gave some much needed points reductions to your army as well as the ability to Ally in other Death units.


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	''Found in The Balance of Power. - min. 1620pt., max. 2580pt. (still to add the vampire and the throne)''		''Found in The Balance of Power. - min. 1620pt., max. 2580pt. (still to add the vampire and the throne)''

	'''''Neferata, Mortarch of Blood, a Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon, a Coven Throne and 2 units of Morghast Archai''''' Neferata gains a reroll of her choice per turn, and can choose for either the vampire lord or the coven throne to fight harder that game. The archai prevent enemy units within their 3" control range from targeting Neferata with attacks. '' Cannot be used in Matched Play, as there is not points profile associated with this formation.		'''''Neferata, Mortarch of Blood, a Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon, a Coven Throne and 2 units of Morghast Archai''''' Neferata gains a reroll of her choice per turn, and can choose for either the vampire lord or the coven throne to fight harder that game. The archai prevent enemy units within their 3" control range from targeting Neferata with attacks. '' Cannot be used in Matched Play, as there is not points profile associated with this formation.

	===Arkhan's Skeleton Guard===		===Arkhan's Skeleton Guard===
	''Found in the Start Collecting! Skeleton Horde box. - This will only cost you around 600pts to field the units required and is somewhat lackluster and widely regarded as not worth the cost in a serious army. Not nearly as good as the Malignants Start Collecting! exclusive Battalion warscroll, you are better off just building entirely Deathlords or extended Allied armies. It should be noted that in Matched play, Start Collecting! exclusive warscrolls are not allowed to be used as they do not currently have point values assigned to them.		''Found in the Start Collecting! Skeleton Horde box. - This will only cost you around 600pts to field the units required and is somewhat lackluster and widely regarded as not worth the cost in a serious army. Not nearly as good as the Malignants Start Collecting! exclusive Battalion warscroll, you are better off just building entirely Deathlords or extended Allied armies. It should be noted that in Matched play, Start Collecting! exclusive warscrolls are not allowed to be used as they do not currently have point values assigned to them.

	'''''Arkhan the Black, Mortarch of Sacrament, 1 unit of Black Knights, 1 unit of Skeleton Warriors. '''''All units in this battalion gain the same bonus movement rule as from the Legion of the Dead, centered on Arkhan. The formation grants bonus movement for units near Arkhan (including Arkhan himself) ''		'''''Arkhan the Black, Mortarch of Sacrament, 1 unit of Black Knights, 1 unit of Skeleton Warriors. '''''All units in this battalion gain the same bonus movement rule as from the Legion of the Dead, centered on Arkhan. The formation grants bonus movement for units near Arkhan (including Arkhan himself) ''

	===Blade of the Blood Queen===		===Blade of the Blood Queen===
	''Added in the new Battleforce Blade of the Blood Queen box. - min. 900pts.''		''Added in the new Battleforce Blade of the Blood Queen box. - min. 900pts.''
	'''Neferata, Mortarch of Blood, 1 or more units of Morghast Archai, 1 Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade, 1 or more units of skeleton Warriors, 1 or more units of Grave Guard'''		'''Neferata, Mortarch of Blood, 1 or more units of Morghast Archai, 1 Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade, 1 or more units of skeleton Warriors, 1 or more units of Grave Guard'''

	'''The Eyes of Nagash:''' If Neferata is within 6" of any of the Archai units in the battalion, add 1 to her personal weapon attacks (Akmet-har and Aken-seth). Not a very impressive battalion, compared to the rest of the formations released with the other Battleforce boxes, and does not currently have a Matched Play profile (noticing a theme yet?)		'''The Eyes of Nagash:''' If Neferata is within 6" of any of the Archai units in the battalion, add 1 to her personal weapon attacks (Akmet-har and Aken-seth). Not a very impressive battalion, compared to the rest of the formations released with the other Battleforce boxes, and does not currently have a Matched Play profile (noticing a theme yet?)

	==Army Building==		==Army Building==
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	====Untouchable Nagash====		====Untouchable Nagash====
	At 2000pts you can fit both Nagash and Neferata into a list together with a Morghast core cost of 660. Target Nagash with Neferata's Dark Mist spell, as well as Mystic Shield. This will give Nagash a 2+ '''''UNRENDABLE''''' save, and because Naggy is also your General you will also be rerolling failed save rolls of 1. Along with his 4+ save against Mortal Wounds and the 6+ Deathless Minions save, Nagash is virtually unstoppable as he floats up the board murdering everyone in front of him. You will also have an extra 140 pts at your disposal, so use that sweet new Allies system to bring in whatever you feel like to support your boney boys.		At 2000pts you can fit both Nagash and Neferata into a list together with a Morghast core cost of 660. Target Nagash with Neferata's Dark Mist spell, as well as Mystic Shield. This will give Nagash a 2+ '''''UNRENDABLE''''' save, and because Naggy is also your General you will also be rerolling failed save rolls of 1. Along with his 4+ save against Mortal Wounds and the 6+ Deathless Minions save, Nagash is virtually unstoppable as he floats up the board murdering everyone in front of him. You will also have an extra 140 pts at your disposal, so use that sweet new Allies system to bring in whatever you feel like to support your boney boys.

	*Nagash Supreme Lord Of The Undead (800) General		*Nagash Supreme Lord Of The Undead (800) General
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	===Can't Touch this(2000pts)===		===Can't Touch this(2000pts)===

	Built around the -1 to hit auras of Neferata and the Mourngul, this list is surprisingly hilarious. Anything that both Neferata and the Mourngul get near will suffer -2 to hit, and since we are an all flying fast army we can typically run fools down and keep them nerfed where they belong. Even though the Mourngul got hit ridiculously hard by the nerf bat- [[Fail\|because Death was just TOO DAMN GOOD RIGHT?]] - it is still useful for its aura and as a sustainable melee beast. Keeping with the ghost theme, bring some Hexwraiths along to summon as well to tarpit/chase down Shooters and grab objectives. This list still lets you bring 8 Morghasts to blend anything and everything for maximum Deathlord fuckery, and don't forget to use Neferata's unique spell to make someone ignore rend as if they too were a spooky ghost. If you are looking to run this list at 2500pts, then bring Arkhan and another 5 Hexwraiths. Arkhan will guarantee your summons and add even more firepower to your list.		Built around the -1 to hit auras of Neferata and the Mourngul, this list is surprisingly hilarious. Anything that both Neferata and the Mourngul get near will suffer -2 to hit, and since we are an all flying fast army we can typically run fools down and keep them nerfed where they belong. Even though the Mourngul got hit ridiculously hard by the nerf bat- [[Fail\|because Death was just TOO DAMN GOOD RIGHT?]] - it is still useful for its aura and as a sustainable melee beast. Keeping with the ghost theme, bring some Hexwraiths along to summon as well to tarpit/chase down Shooters and grab objectives. This list still lets you bring 8 Morghasts to blend anything and everything for maximum Deathlord fuckery, and don't forget to use Neferata's unique spell to make someone ignore rend as if they too were a spooky ghost. If you are looking to run this list at 2500pts, then bring Arkhan and another 5 Hexwraiths. Arkhan will guarantee your summons and add even more firepower to your list.

	*Neferata Mortarch Of Blood (400) (General)		*Neferata Mortarch Of Blood (400) (General)
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	*Mourngul (400) Allied into list, do not try and summon this thing.		*Mourngul (400) Allied into list, do not try and summon this thing.

	*Total: 2000 / 2000		*Total: 2000 / 2000
	*Allies: 400 / 400		*Allies: 400 / 400

	===I'll take "my friends all hate me for 1000pts"===		===I'll take "my friends all hate me for 1000pts"===

	Now that [[Nagash\|Skeletor]] himself is 800pts, you can field him in as low as 1000pt matches! You will not make many friends doing this, but you play Death so you probably didn't have any to begin with. You don't have a Deathlords Allegiance with this list, but since that literally means nothing you can just enjoy an easy to manage army of skeletons following their pope around the field.		Now that [[Nagash\|Skeletor]] himself is 800pts, you can field him in as low as 1000pt matches! You will not make many friends doing this, but you play Death so you probably didn't have any to begin with. You don't have a Deathlords Allegiance with this list, but since that literally means nothing you can just enjoy an easy to manage army of skeletons following their pope around the field.

	*Nagash Supreme Lord Of The Undead (800) General		*Nagash Supreme Lord Of The Undead (800) General