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	*'''Cities of Sigmar:''' Apart from ~~Scourgerunner Chariots,~~ artillery, Phoenix Temple and Shadow Warriors units ~~or cheaper points values~~, anything they can do, you can do better. They can't do anything (else) better than you.		*'''Cities of Sigmar:''' Apart from artillery, Phoenix Temple and Shadow Warriors units, anything they can do, you can do better. They can't do anything (else) better than you.

	*'''Idoneth Deepkin:''' Ideally you want to grab some Ishlaenn Guard, as those guys will soak up obscene amounts of damage for you. Nothing else is really worth considering.		*'''Idoneth Deepkin:''' Ideally you want to grab some Ishlaenn Guard, as those guys will soak up obscene amounts of damage for you. Nothing else is really worth considering.

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	*'''Idoneth Deepkin:''' Ideally you want to grab some Ishlaenn Guard, as those guys will soak up obscene amounts of damage for you. Nothing else is really worth considering.		*'''Idoneth Deepkin:''' Ideally you want to grab some Ishlaenn Guard, as those guys will soak up obscene amounts of damage for you. Nothing else is really worth considering.

			*'''Lumineth Realm-lords:'''

			*'''Stormcast Eternals:'''

			*'''Sylvaneth:'''

	*'''Gotrek:''' Big Daddy Gotrek is back, and is one of the best killers in the game. Takes up half the average army if teamed up with Morathi and makes an awesome hammer and anvil combo. Hes slow through, so build around that.		*'''Gotrek:''' Big Daddy Gotrek is back, and is one of the best killers in the game. Takes up half the average army if teamed up with Morathi and makes an awesome hammer and anvil combo. Hes slow through, so build around that.

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Why play Daughters of Khaine?

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	;'''[https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/Eng_Morathi-Khaine.pdf Morathi-Khaine] and [https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/Eng_TheShadowQueen.pdf The Shadow Queen]''': This version of Morathi ~~costs 600~~ points and has both versions of the new goddess of murder on the board at the same time. Their stats are largely unchanged including importantly the 3 wound per turn rule (there are some changes: The shooting attack on the Shadow Queen is now a straight D6 damage attack, Morathi doesn't double casting range anymore but her personal spell is range 36), but there are some important changes. ~~For starters, both~~ versions are now immune to instant death (suck it Nagash) and wounds done to Morathi-Khaine ~~now~~ carry over to Shadow Queen, with both disappearing when the Shadow Queen goes down. You should also note that Morathi always counts as a general, even if you have another general, and the old trick of dealing wounds to her outside of the turn to get around her 3 wounds per turn thing no longer works. All in all, the selling point here is that you get her powerhouse casting and all the spells from the Lore of Shadows, and command ability, while still getting ~~the~~ brutal close combat power, which is a hell of a selling point. These two can take on almost any named character in the game (even Gotrek will struggle) and at ~~600~~ points, they better.		;'''[https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/Eng_Morathi-Khaine.pdf Morathi-Khaine] and [https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/Eng_TheShadowQueen.pdf The Shadow Queen]''': This version of Morathi got a price hike to 680 points and has both versions of the new goddess of murder on the board at the same time. Their stats are largely unchanged including importantly the 3 wound per turn rule (there are some changes: The shooting attack on the Shadow Queen is now a straight D6 damage attack, Morathi doesn't double casting range anymore but her personal spell is range 36), but there are some important changes. Morathi-Khaine also has -1 to hit her in combat while the Shadow Queen boosts the attacks of Khinerai and Melusai units if she's within 3" of an enemy. Both versions are now immune to instant death (suck it Nagash) and wounds done to Morathi-Khaine carry over to Shadow Queen, with both disappearing when the Shadow Queen goes down. You should also note that Morathi always counts as a general, even if you have another general, and the old trick of dealing wounds to her outside of the turn to get around her 3 wounds per turn thing no longer works. All in all, the selling point here is that you get her powerhouse casting and all the spells from the Lore of Shadows, and command ability, while still getting brutal close combat power and some buffs and debuffs, which is a hell of a selling point. These two can take on almost any named character in the game (even Gotrek will struggle) and at 680 points, they better.

	;[https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos_the_blade-coven_en.pdf Morgwaeth the Bloodied and Hag Coven] : (80 points) The models from the recent Daughters of Khaine Underworlds warband. Functionally just a named Hag Queen with a range 2 dagger and a handful of extra models. Can now take artifacts and command traits, plus comes with the Hagg Narr keyword, but can take another Prayer. Let's get real here: the selling point is that her Warband can intercept wounds for her on a 4+. Almost auto include in the new battletome (unless it is indeed a typo and needs errata) as she is now 10pts cheaper than a Hag Queen with essentially 4-5 more wounds.		;[https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos_the_blade-coven_en.pdf Morgwaeth the Bloodied and Hag Coven] : (80 points) The models from the recent Daughters of Khaine Underworlds warband. Functionally just a named Hag Queen with a range 2 dagger and a handful of extra models. Can now take artifacts and command traits, plus comes with the Hagg Narr keyword, but can take another Prayer. Let's get real here: the selling point is that her Warband can intercept wounds for her on a 4+. Almost auto include in the new battletome (unless it is indeed a typo and needs errata) as she is now 10pts cheaper than a Hag Queen with essentially 4-5 more wounds.

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	*'''Command Ability - Masters of the Shadowpaths:''' At the end of the movement phase choose a friendly unit and a Khailebron hero to issue the command. Pull the unit off the battlefield and Deep Strike them anyplace outside of 9 inches of the enemy. This unit cannot move in the next movement phase. Essentially turns all of your units into pseudo Khinerai units and [[Awesome\|can even be used to pull them out of an unfavorable combat]].		*'''Command Ability - Masters of the Shadowpaths:''' At the end of the movement phase choose a friendly unit and a Khailebron hero to issue the command. Pull the unit off the battlefield and Deep Strike them anyplace outside of 9 inches of the enemy. This unit cannot move in the next movement phase. Essentially turns all of your units into pseudo Khinerai units and [[Awesome\|can even be used to pull them out of an unfavorable combat]].

	A tricksy temple, but amazing when you know how to use it. Shooting armies will hate the Khailebron Temple, especially Kharadron Overlords (suck it, you godless stunties!). Since the command trait is an ability not a spell your opponent will have to play around it every round. Just remember to keep your ~~general~~ out of ~~harms~~ way. Recommended to take Morathi-Khaine in this army to maximize it's usage.		A tricksy temple, but amazing when you know how to use it. Shooting armies will hate the Khailebron Temple, especially Kharadron Overlords (suck it, you godless stunties!). Since the command trait is an ability not a spell your opponent will have to play around it every round. Just remember to keep your heroes out of harm's way. Recommended to take Morathi-Khaine in this army to maximize it's usage.

	'''Khelt Nar'''		'''Khelt Nar'''

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	==Temples of Blood==		==Temples of Blood==
	You may claim your army hails from one of the six temples listed here. ~~Each has unique rules for~~ your army~~, a new artifact, command trait, or command ability~~.		You may claim your army hails from one of the six temples listed here. All were nerfed heavily from the previous edition, but they were also streamlined and still give some benefit to your army.

	'''Hagg Nar'''		'''Hagg Nar'''

	*'''~~Ability -~~ Daughters of the First Temple:''' Add 1 to the current battle round when determining the abilities gained from Blood Rites.		*'''Daughters of the First Temple:''' Add 1 to the current battle round when determining the abilities gained from Blood Rites.

	*'''Command Ability: Send Forth the Cauldrons''': Pick a friendly '''Hagg Nar''' Cauldron within 3" of a unit with 3 or more models and within 12" of a '''Hagg Nar''' hero. That Cauldron can move and extra 3", but this can't stack. While it's not easy to daisy chain your units and heroes to make it work, consider that the tax for this pretty good buff.		A good <s>Jack</s> Jill of all trades, master of none that's worth considering.

	*'''Command Trait - Devoted Disciples:'''A~~'''Hagg Nar''' Daughters of Khaine model wholly within 12" of the general gets a 5+ Fanatical Faith save as opposed to a 6+.~~

	*'''Artifact: The Ulfuri:''' Add 1 to the Damage characteristic of one of the bearer's melee weapons if they made a charge.

	The nerf bat came for Hagg Nar, but left them with a couple of consolation prizes. It allows one selected unit to do its fanatical faith on 5+ combined with blessing of khaine and the +1 save from you cauldron you can give a unit of 30 witches a 5+ save (4+ with bladed buckler) and a 5++ fanatical save making the unit able to survive longer. By turn 3 your army is a killing machine and would be already in combat this is when things swing dramatically for Hagg Nar. While they can't re-roll hits anymore, they're faster and more survivable. On a unit of 20 witches that is 80 attacks and if you add mindrazor into the mix it's unlikely any single opponent can survive that number of paper cuts on the charge. While no longer OP or a must-take, it is now a good <s>Jack</s> Jill of all trades, master of none that's worth considering.

	'''Draichi Ganeth'''		'''Draichi Ganeth'''
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	*'''Ability - Bladed Killers:''' Improve the rend characteristics of weapons wielded by the Witch Aelves and Sisters of Slaughter by 1 on the turn they charge.		*'''Ability - Bladed Killers:''' Improve the rend characteristics of weapons wielded by the Witch Aelves and Sisters of Slaughter by 1 on the turn they charge.

	*'''Command Ability - A Thousand Bladeforms:''' Add 1 to the hit rolls of a friendly Draichi Ganeth Witch Aelves or Sisters of Slaughter unit within 12" of a friendly Draichi Ganeth Hero.		The offensive option. Add a Bloodwrack Medusae and/or Morathi-Khaine to throw Mindrazor on units and you'll rain on the parade of armies like Stormcast, non-horde Chaos armies and Ossiarch Bonereapers. Combining the numbers of a horde army with the hitting power of an elite army as it applies only to Witch Aelves and Sisters of Slaughter, they're the best choice for a melee-focused force.

	*'''Command Trait: - Victor of Yaith'ril:''' Add 1" to the Bravery characteristic of all friendly Draichi Ganeth Daughters of Khaine units wholly within 12" of the general.

	*'''Artifact - Death's Kiss:''' Add +2 attacks of one of the bearer's weapons on the turn they charged.

	*'''Battalion - Slaughter Troupe:''' You may take up to two units of Witch Aelves in addition to any of the other required units in this Battalion

	They swapped favoring snake heavy armies for favoring Witch Aelves and destroying armor. If you take the general on a Cauldron of Blood, that adds 2 to the Bravery of Draichi Ganeth units wholly within 12. Add a Bloodwrack Medusae and/or Morathi-Khaine to throw Mindrazor on units and you'll rain on the parade of armies like Stormcast, non-horde Chaos armies and Ossiarch Bonereapers. Combining the numbers of a horde army with the hitting power of an elite army, they're the best ~~option~~ for a melee-focused force.

	'''The Kraith'''		'''The Kraith'''

	*'''Ability - Disciples of Slaughter:''' At the end of the combat phase, roll a dice for each Kraith Sister of Slaughter that fought once in that phase. On a 5+, they can fight again.		*'''Ability - Disciples of Slaughter:''' At the end of the combat phase, roll a dice for each Kraith Sister of Slaughter that fought once in that phase. On a 4+, they can fight again but strike last for the second round of combat.

	*'''Command Ability - Inspired by Carnage:''' Add 1 to wound rolls for ~~unit for that~~ combat ~~phase~~.

	*'''Command Trait - Bathe in Their Blood!:''' At the end of the combat phase, if the general is on the battlefield and any enemy units were destroyed by an attack made by friendly Kraith units, you receive a command point.		The double-tap/horde killer option. The ability is decent, but striking last can sting and the ability only applies to Sisters of Slaughter. Look elsewhere unless you really like Sisters of Slaughter.

	*'''Artifact - The ~~Venom of Nagendra:''' Once per battle~~, ~~you can use it to deal D6 Mortal Wounds to an enemy~~ but ~~the bearer~~ can~~'t fight with their weapons in that round of combat.~~


	~~When~~ the ability ~~goes off, you'll feel like top~~ of ~~the world, but when it doesn't you'll feel like a chump~~. ~~Also, hope~~ you like Sisters of Slaughter~~, because this Temple is near worthless without them. As it is, a decent option but inferior to the others unless you really want command points~~.

	'''Khailebron'''		'''Khailebron'''

	*'''Ability - Concealment and Stealth:''' Your enemy gets -1 to hit in the shooting phase against Khailebron units. This plugs one of your army's major weaknesses (getting shot to pieces)		*'''Command Ability - Masters of the Shadowpaths:''' At the end of the movement phase choose a friendly unit and a Khailebron hero to issue the command. Pull the unit off the battlefield and Deep Strike them anyplace outside of 9 inches of the enemy. This unit cannot move in the next movement phase. Essentially turns all of your units into pseudo Khinerai units and [[Awesome\|can even be used to pull them out of an unfavorable combat]].

	*'''Command Ability - Masters of the Shadowpaths:''' At the ~~start~~ of the ~~Hero Phase~~ choose a friendly unit ~~wholly within 12" of~~ a Khailebron ~~general~~. Pull ~~them~~ off the battlefield and Deep Strike them anyplace outside of 9 inches of the enemy. This unit cannot move in the next movement phase. Essentially turns all of your units into pseudo Khinerai units and [[Awesome\|can even be used to pull them out of an unfavorable combat]]~~. Put Mindrazor and Catechism of Murder on a unit of Blood Sisters, teleport them behind enemy lines and watch them wreak havoc.~~

	*'''Command Trait - Mistress of Illusion:''' Subtract 1 from hit rolls for melee attacks made against the general.

	*'''Artifact - Whisperdeath:''' Pick one of the bearer's melee weapons. Hit rolls of 6 with this weapon deal 1 mortal wound to the target in addition to normal damage.

	A tricksy temple, but amazing when you know how to use it. ~~Having 1- to being shot at is wonderful given your low saves. Between the shooting debuff and teleportation abilities, shooting~~ armies will hate the Khailebron Temple, especially Kharadron Overlords (suck it, you godless stunties!). Since the command trait is an ability not a spell your opponent will have to play around it every round. Just remember to keep your general out of harms way.		A tricksy temple, but amazing when you know how to use it. Shooting armies will hate the Khailebron Temple, especially Kharadron Overlords (suck it, you godless stunties!). Since the command trait is an ability not a spell your opponent will have to play around it every round. Just remember to keep your general out of harms way. Recommended to take Morathi-Khaine in this army to maximize it's usage.

	'''Khelt Nar'''		'''Khelt Nar'''
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	*'''Ability - Strike and Fade:''' Khelt Nar units can retreat and charge later in the same turn.		*'''Ability - Strike and Fade:''' Khelt Nar units can retreat and charge later in the same turn.

	*'''Command Ability - Bleed the Mind''': Pick one friendly Khelt Nar unit wholly within 12" of a Khelt Nar hero. ~~For every time a melee attack targeting~~ the ~~Khelt Nar unit rolls an unmodified 1~~, ~~the attacking suffers 1 mortal wound. This, with bladed bucklers and the martyrs sacrifice prayer creates a very prickly unit that can easily bleed the enemy dry in a round of combat.~~		Alternate movement shenanigans. No teleporting like the Khailebron, but it's not hero-dependent either. While a fun playstyle, and recommended if you really like Khinerai Harpies or want to mess with your opponent, if you want to play competitively, other temples are recommended.

	*'~~''Command Trait~~ - ~~The Circling Flock''': Once per battle, you can summon 1 free Khinerai unit consisting of 5 Khinerai Harpies of~~ either ~~type, deployed as per their "Descent from Above" rules.~~

	*'''Artifact - Gaisa's Falx:''' Pick one melee weapon carried by the bearer. Each unmodified hit roll of 6 becomes two hits, roll to wound and save for each hit. Best used on a Slaughter Queen.

	~~A Temple with a lot of dirty tricks. It lacks the punch of the Draichi Ganeth or the defensive power of Hagg Nar, but it gives a lot of unique ways to mess with your opponent~~. While a fun playstyle, and recommended if you really like Khinerai Harpies or want to mess with your opponent, if you want to play competitively, other temples are recommended.

	'''Zainthar Kai'''		'''Zainthar Kai'''

	*'''Abilities - Khaine’s Essence:''' ~~Add 1 to the Bravery of Melusai and Khinerai units '''Vault of the First Blood:''' Get a free artifact from the Gifts of Morathi table.~~		*'''Abilities - Khaine’s Essence:''' Each time a friendly Zainthar Kai Melusai is slain, they can fight again before being removed from play.

	*'''Command Ability - Power in the Blood:''' Once per phase pick a friendly Melusai ~~or Khinerai unit wholly within 12” and add 1 to their melee weapons until the end of that phase~~.

	*'''Command Trait - ~~Curse of the Bloody Handed:''' At the end of combat on a roll a die for each enemy unit within 3”, deal d3 mortal wounds on a 5+.~~

	*'''Artifact - Crimson Talisman:''' Subtract 1 from wound rolls that target the bearer

	~~The new Snake Heavy Army~~. ~~Although the Command Trait is kinda eh, the command ability is where this subfaction shines.~~ The ~~Blood Sisters~~ are already pretty crazy, ~~then add on all the buffs, and~~ this ~~command ability~~ to ~~delete whatever you point~~ them at. ~~The bonus Bravery~~ and ~~a free artifact are always welcome~~.		Snakes on a pla(ying field). The Melusai are already pretty crazy, this will make opponents even more reluctant to engage them in combat. But it only effects Melusai units. Also, beware shooty and/or magic heavy armies, as they'll render this ability nigh useless, so don't take it against - for example - Kharadron Overlords or Lumineth Realm-lords.

	For competitive play, Hagg Nar ~~has been eclipsed by~~ Draichi Ganeth~~, with Khailebron arguably being~~ the best ~~choice given~~ the ~~current shooting meta~~.		For competitive play, Hagg Nar is the best defensive option, Draichi Ganeth is the best offensive option and Khailebron for the tactical geniuses.

	==Warscrolls==		==Warscrolls==

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Why play Daughters of Khaine?

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	* You like the idea of playing an army of bloodthirsty, fanatical murderers but don't like Khorne.		* You like the idea of playing an army of bloodthirsty, fanatical murderers but don't like Khorne.
	* You like the continuation of Morathi's story arc, and want to see her make her mark on the setting.		* You like the continuation of Morathi's story arc, and want to see her make her mark on the setting.
			* 9/10 units and characters are [[Hot Chicks]] and [[Monstergirls]] in bikinis. With the right choices, you literally have an army of hot chicks and monstergirls in bikinis.
	* You always wanted to play as [[Drow]] in Warhammer (replacing spiders with snakes... though if you like spiders, them and other Drow aesthetic are a [[Homebrew]] away).		* You always wanted to play as [[Drow]] in Warhammer (replacing spiders with snakes... though if you like spiders, them and other Drow aesthetic are a [[Homebrew]] away).

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	===Pros===		===Pros===

	* 9/10 units and characters are [[Hot Chicks]] and [[Monstergirls]] in bikinis. With the right choices, you literally have an army of hot chicks and monstergirls in bikinis.
	* Morathi-Khaine is one of the most powerful playable characters in the game. As a goddess with two bodies, she is on par with [[Alarielle the Everqueen\|big]] [[Archaon\|god-like]] [[Nagash\|models]].		* Morathi-Khaine is one of the most powerful playable characters in the game. As a goddess with two bodies, she is on par with [[Alarielle the Everqueen\|big]] [[Archaon\|god-like]] [[Nagash\|models]].
	* Some of the best melee in the setting, only a few including the [[Sons of Behemat\|really big boys]], [[Khorne Bloodbound\|the best followers of big red]] or [[Lumineth Realm-Lords\|the elven methheads]] can hit like you do in combat.		* Some of the best melee in the setting, only a few including the [[Sons of Behemat\|really big boys]], [[Khorne Bloodbound\|the best followers of big red]] or [[Lumineth Realm-Lords\|the elven methheads]] can hit like you do in combat.

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	==Why play Daughters of Khaine?==		==Why play Daughters of Khaine?==
	* You like the idea of playing an army of bloodthirsty, fanatical murderers but don't like ~~Khorne~~.		* You like the idea of playing an army of bloodthirsty, fanatical murderers but don't like Chaos.
	* You like the continuation of Morathi's story arc, and want to see her make her mark on the setting.		* You like the continuation of Morathi's story arc, and want to see her make her mark on the setting.
	* 9/10 units and characters are [[Hot Chicks]] and [[Monstergirls]] in bikinis. With the right choices, you literally have an army of hot chicks and monstergirls in bikinis.		* 9/10 units and characters are [[Hot Chicks]] and [[Monstergirls]] in bikinis. With the right choices, you literally have an army of hot chicks and monstergirls in bikinis.
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	* Morathi-Khaine is one of the most powerful playable characters in the game. As a goddess with two bodies, she is on par with [[Alarielle the Everqueen\|big]] [[~~Archaon~~\|god-like]] [[Nagash\|models]].		* Morathi-Khaine is one of the most powerful playable characters in the game. As a goddess with two bodies, she is on par with [[Alarielle the Everqueen\|big]] [[Kragnos\|god]]-[[Archaon\|like]] [[Nagash\|models]].
	* Some of the best melee in the setting, only a few ~~including the~~ [[Sons of Behemat\|really big boys]], [[Khorne Bloodbound\|the best followers of big red]] or [[Lumineth Realm-Lords\|the elven methheads]] can hit like you do in combat.		* Some of the best melee in the setting, only a few such as [[Sons of Behemat\|really big boys]], [[Khorne Bloodbound\|the best followers of big red]] or [[Lumineth Realm-Lords\|the elven methheads]] can hit like you do in combat.
	* They're a jack-of-all-trades able to fight in every phase with melee, shooting, magic, decent movement and bravery shenanigans.		* They're a jack-of-all-trades able to fight in every phase with melee, shooting, magic, decent movement and bravery shenanigans.
	* A monster that DOESN'T GET LESS EFFECTIVE IF IT TAKES WOUNDS (that also double as a giant angry statue of their god).		* A monster that DOESN'T GET LESS EFFECTIVE IF IT TAKES WOUNDS (that also double as a giant angry statue of their god).
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	* These chicks are almost as naked as the fyreslayers, but they ~~dont~~ have fancy runes or 2 wounds to tide them over. Apart from their 6+ fanatical faith save, they have the usual Glass Cannon problem of being flimsy. Our Infantry has a 6+ Save, and the other units - apart from Morathi - are softer than their equivalents in other armies unless you make the right choices (such as Hagg Narr and/or throw in a Cauldron. And don’t forget the bladed bucklers)		* These chicks are almost as naked as the fyreslayers, but they don't have fancy runes or 2 wounds to tide them over. Apart from their 6+ fanatical faith save, they have the usual Glass Cannon problem of being flimsy. Our Infantry has a 6+ Save, and the other units - apart from Morathi - are softer than their equivalents in other armies unless you make the right choices (such as Hagg Narr and/or throw in a Cauldron. And don’t forget the bladed bucklers)
	* They are rather expensive to collect in dollars, and even spending lots of money on models can still leave you with a comparatively low model count.		* They are rather expensive to collect in dollars, and even spending lots of money on models can still leave you with a comparatively low model count.
	* They do not play well with others. If you're playing Daughters of Khaine, you're playing them in a Daughters of Khaine Allegiance army. They are incredibly reliant on their faction abilities to turn them from a bunch of expensive fragile units with some pretty good close combat into a unified army with some of the most brutal close combat in the game. You can ally other stuff into them, don't ally them with other stuff. (Not entirely true, Khinari Heartrenders slot nicely into most Order soup lists as its a good deepstrike bully unit)		* They do not play well with others. If you're playing Daughters of Khaine, you're playing them in a Daughters of Khaine Allegiance army. They are incredibly reliant on their faction abilities to turn them from a bunch of expensive fragile units with some pretty good close combat into a unified army with some of the most brutal close combat in the game. You can ally other stuff into them, don't ally them with other stuff. (Not entirely true, Khinari Heartrenders slot nicely into most Order soup lists as its a good deepstrike bully unit)