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	One of the debates that sometimes echoes onto /tg/: "Do amazons count as [[monstergirls]]?" In truest /tg/ fashion, [[skub\|nobody can agree]].		One of the debates that sometimes echoes onto /tg/: "Do amazons count as [[monstergirls]]?" In truest /tg/ fashion, [[skub\|nobody can agree]].

	One school argues that amazons can't be considered monstergirls for the same reason that you wouldn't consider "female [[fighter]]/[[barbarian]]/[[ranger]]" a monstergirl - they're human women who happen to be warriors. This often reinforced by the fact that, even if the amazons don't live with men, they still need to mate with men for children; such depictions usually portray them producing both female and male offspring, but the males are either sent away or murdered at birth, depending on how [[grimdark]] the race is being presented as.		One school argues that amazons can't be considered monstergirls for the same reason that you wouldn't consider "female [[fighter]]/[[barbarian]]/[[ranger]]" a monstergirl - they're human women who happen to be warriors. This often reinforced by the fact that, even if the amazons don't live with men, they still need to mate with men for children; such depictions usually portray them producing both female and male offspring, but the males are either sent away, gb2kitchen(Diablo II) or murdered at birth, depending on how [[grimdark]] the race is being presented as.

	Another school argues that, taken to its "logical" conclusion, amazons can be considered monsters. This school depicts a "true" amazon as human subspecies that either needs to mate with human men to procreate and only produces daughters (a classic monstergirl trait), or more rarely produces both human sons and amazon daughters, or else as a subspecies that reproduces by parthenogenesis (ie, no sex required to get pregnant). They usually further this by depicting amazons as having a distinctive look; this may or may not touch upon the [[musclegirl]] fetish, but usually revolves around the amazon being notedly larger than human men - not a full-fledged [[giant]]ess, but around the size of an [[ogre]].		Another school argues that, taken to its "logical" conclusion, amazons can be considered monsters. This school depicts a "true" amazon as human subspecies that either needs to mate with human men to procreate and only produces daughters (a classic monstergirl trait), or more rarely produces both human sons and amazon daughters, or else as a subspecies that reproduces by parthenogenesis (ie, no sex required to get pregnant). They usually further this by depicting amazons as having a distinctive look; this may or may not touch upon the [[musclegirl]] fetish, but usually revolves around the amazon being notedly larger than human men - not a full-fledged [[giant]]ess, but around the size of an [[ogre]].

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 ==[[Warhammer]]==
 [[File:Warhammer Amazons.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Sadly, Games Workshop hasn't been awesome enough to make this themselves for a long time, and will <s>never be able to since they [[The End Times|torched]] and [[Age of Sigmar|rebooted]] the setting</s> [[Warhammer: The Old World|Not anymore]].]]
-Amazons were introduced alongside [[Pygmies]] in [[Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay]] 1st edition.
+Amazons were introduced alongside [[Pygmies]] in the 3rd edition of [[Warhammer Fantasy Battles]], which means they also showed up in [[Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay]] 1st edition.
 [[Lustria]] was inhabited originally by the [[Lizardmen]] and the rest of the native dinosaur/South American-hybrid flora and fauna. Norscans accidently discovered, then looted and colonized it (bear in mind not all Norscans were just weak [[Warriors Of Chaos]] back then). Several other settlements have popped up since then which the [[Slann]] have tried their hardest to remove to little effect. These ports have encouraged other adventurers to colonize since.
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 The Slann also produced Amazons by gifting some warrior women who rebelled against the Norscans with immortality and magical equipment (this being young Games Workshop where [[Warhammer 40000]] AKA Rogue Trader and Fantasy cross-referenced each other, one of these was "Sun Sticks" AKA [[Lasgun]]s). Amazons in turn worship the Slann and do their bidding. Amazon models were produced by Games Workshop for their [[Mordheim]] expansion and continued to be sold into the early 2010's due to popularity. Amazons are also a team in the [[Blood Bowl]] universe. In the Blood Bowl comic series [[Blood Bowl|Blood Bowl: Killer Contract]] the Amazon team beat the Pygmies, normally known for eating the other team, by eating them first (translation: "No, we will not bring Pygmies back for Blood Bowl.") then went on to beat the Lizardmen team. Out of Lustrian pride the Slann sponsored the Amazons in the Old World until they lost. One of their players was recruited by the Empire team.
 There was no mention of them during [[The End Times]] books, but according to Geedubs author [[Josh Reynolds]] the Amazons [[Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies|got killed off when the pieces of the Chaos Moon smashed into Lustria (he also said the same fate befell the Pygmies)]], sparing only the parts where the Pyramid-ships rested. What bitter revenge those fat frogs had.
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 The second version appeared in Town Cryer #23, and whilst building on the same lore as the previous version, was somewhat more official; it presented the Amazon warband as representing captured Amazons who were shipped to the Empire as curiosities and courtesans, freed by the chaos of the wyrdstone meteorite and now trying to amass the wealth needed to pay for a trip back to Lustria. These Amazons only maintain the "Not One Of Us" and "Sacrifice" special rules from their prior version, and lose the Enchanted Skins armor - this restricts them to just helmets and bucklers, making them even more fragile than the original Amazons were. They replace a number of their unique artifacts as well with new versions, and lose their Amazon Special Skills. The new Warband is still led by a Priestess (having dropped the "Serpent" prefix), who is still a Leader/Wizard and still using the same '''Amazon Rituals''' magic lore as before, complete with the same spells. However, she's gained a major boost in skills; now she can take Shooting and Strength skills in addition to her original Combat/Academic/Speed trinity! The new Heroes are 0-2 Champions (who, weirdly, despite being WS4 and BS3, can learn Shooting skills) and 0-2 Totem Warriors; melee-focused (WS4, BS2) who can learn Strength skills and who have the Frenzy special rule; both retain the affinity for Combat and Speed skills of their earlier counterparts. For Henchmen, you can take Amazon Warriors and 0-3 Scouts, who use the generic Stealthy rule and replace the old Jaguar Warriors.
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1d4chan>Skadooshbag: /* Myth/Origin */

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Myth/Origin

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	==Myth/Origin==		==Myth/Origin==
	Amazons originated as a race of warrior-women from Ancient Greek/Roman myths. Though they only appear in a handful of stories, most notably those of Heracles (Hercules to the Disney fans in the room), Theseus (the smart guy who isn't Odysseus), and the Iliad (Trojan War), they have stuck in the imagination of nerds everywhere due to the strange fondness writers have for aggressive, take-charge women who can kick major ass.		Amazons originated as a race of warrior-women from Ancient Greek/Roman myths. Though they only appear in a handful of stories, most notably those of Heracles (Hercules to the Disney fans in the room), Theseus (the smart guy who isn't Odysseus), and the Iliad (Trojan War), they have stuck in the imagination of nerds everywhere due to the ''strange and wholly inexplicable'' fondness writers have for aggressive, take-charge women who can kick major ass.

	IRL, they're believed to have been inspired by Grecian encounters with the Scythians (although there are other cultural candidates such as Minoans), nomadic tribes of horseback archers (one of the first groups of humans to use mounted warfare; some have suspicions that women logically may have rode horses into battle first since the most ancient horses were too small for full-grown men to ride on) that originated in the Middle East and expanded their reach into southern and central Asia (their trade route connecting China and India to Egypt and Greece can fairly be called the proto-Silk Road) before being repelled and eventually becoming part of the early Slavic culture.		IRL, they're believed to have been inspired by Grecian encounters with the Scythians (although there are other cultural candidates such as Minoans), nomadic tribes of horseback archers (one of the first groups of humans to use mounted warfare; some have suspicions that women logically may have rode horses into battle first since the most ancient horses were too small for full-grown men to ride on) that originated in the Middle East and expanded their reach into southern and central Asia (their trade route connecting China and India to Egypt and Greece can fairly be called the proto-Silk Road) before being repelled and eventually becoming part of the early Slavic culture.

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	[[File:Amazons Greek.jpg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|Amazons doing what amazons do best: murdering the everloving shit out of men.]]		[[File:Amazons Greek.jpg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|Amazons doing what amazons do best: murdering the everloving shit out of men.]]
	Amazons are a staple of <s>exacerbating piss kinks by forcing people to piss in bottles</s> fantasy fiction, as well as superhero fiction and some (usually more pulpy) scifi as well.		Amazons are a staple of <s>exacerbating piss kinks by forcing people to piss in bottles</s><ref>Note that the piss bottles stuff refers to the '''other''' kind of Amazon, the dot com kind</ref> fantasy fiction, as well as superhero fiction and some (usually more pulpy) scifi as well.

	They are generally portrayed as a race of warrior women, either immortal or who reproduce with captives or using males as the "[[-4 STR\|goback2thekitchen]]" gender. They may be just a human tribe, they may have advanced magic and/or technology, or they may be borderline [[monstergirls]] with supernatural prowess elevating them above men. Likewise, they may allow men to share their territory but women are clearly in charge (or at least do the fighting), they may enslave men, they may just not let men get anywhere near them on a permanent basis. They may even be a one-sex race (with some weird "strong-blood"), to emphasize their inhumanity.		They are generally portrayed as a race of warrior women, either immortal or who reproduce with captives or using males as the "[[-4 STR\|goback2thekitchen]]" gender. They may be just a human tribe, they may have advanced magic and/or technology, or they may be borderline [[monstergirls]] with supernatural prowess elevating them above men. Likewise, they may allow men to share their territory but women are clearly in charge (or at least do the fighting), they may enslave men, they may just not let men get anywhere near them on a permanent basis. They may even be a one-sex race (with some weird "strong-blood"), to emphasize their inhumanity.

1d4chan>QuietBrowser: /* Villichi */

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 Appearing in the Monstrous Compendium: Dark Sun Appendix 1 (Terrors of the Desert), the '''Villichi''' are [[Abhuman|a stable mutant subspecies]] that randomly occurs amongst normal human births. Villichi appear as unusually tall and pale-skinned human women, averaging about 7 feet in height and wearing extensive clothing to ward off the burning rays of the sun. These mutant women are pseudo-albinos, suffering a -1 penalty to attack rolls and their psionic power scores if directly exposed to sunlight. They mature quicker than regular humans, though we're not told ''when'' that happens, but live much longer; 150 years is average for a Villichi, and the oldest living specimen today is 200 years old. Their defining attribute, however, is their powerful innate affinity for [[psionics]] - '''every''' Villichi is psionic, and this has allowed them to survive despite the obstacles in their path.
-Ironically, Villichi themselves are sterile, and dependent on recruiting the Villichi born to human parents - about one in every 30,000 human girls born on Athas is born a Villichi. Whilst the Villichi largely believe in a principle of living and letting live, they are vicious in protecting themselves and their race; as a result, Athasians have learned to leave Villichi alone when they are born, because they ''know'' that eventually, adult Villichi will come for the youngling and they will not stop until they have punished those who mistreated them. Likewise, they will stop at nothing to track down and brutally murder anyone foolish enough to harm one of their adult sisters, so the sane peoples of Athas largely leave them in peace.
+Ironically, Villichi themselves are sterile, and dependent on recruiting the Villichi born to human parents - about one in every 30,000 human girls (in 2e; fans boosted this to one in 3,000 for 3e) born on Athas is born a Villichi. Whilst the Villichi largely believe in a principle of living and letting live, they are vicious in protecting themselves and their race; as a result, Athasians have learned to leave Villichi alone when they are born, because they ''know'' that eventually, adult Villichi will come for the youngling and they will not stop until they have punished those who mistreated them. Likewise, they will stop at nothing to track down and brutally murder anyone foolish enough to harm one of their adult sisters, so the sane peoples of Athas largely leave them in peace.
 Relatively small in population, with a canonical population of only 500, the Villichi live in a convent-style fortress-city hidden in the Ringing Mountains. The leadership of the villichi is taken from the ranks of those few Villichi who develop the ability to locate others of their kind - a power that occurs spontaneously in 10% of Villichi who reach 13th level, and functions as a special variant of the "Locate Psionic" power, with no range limit. The most powerful of these "seekers" rules over the Villichi as a whole as the High Mistress, whilst the others are usually sent out into the wilderness as "envoys", charged with seeking out as many newborn Villichi as possible.
 As a people, the Villichi are largely concerned with their survival above all else. This determination to stay out of the Tablelands' politics has kept them alive; no Sorcerer-King is willing to risk overextending themselves by crushing the Villichi convent, particularly when the Villichi are content to stay on neutral terms with them as a whole.
 ===Arkadian Amazons===

1d4chan>QuietBrowser: Added a section on Dark Sun's psychic amazons, the Villichi.

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	[[Mongoose Publishing]] includes an Amazons book as part of their notorious Slayers Guide To X series, with the usual somewhat dodgy quality. These Amazons are portrayed as an evil-aligned [[barbarian]] people, who grudgingly interact with men to conceive offspring and then murder them afterwards.		[[Mongoose Publishing]] includes an Amazons book as part of their notorious Slayers Guide To X series, with the usual somewhat dodgy quality. These Amazons are portrayed as an evil-aligned [[barbarian]] people, who grudgingly interact with men to conceive offspring and then murder them afterwards.

			[[Dark Sun]], being rooted in pulpy [[Sword & Sorcery]] fantasy, has a race of ''psionic'' Amazons in the '''Villichi''', which get their own section below.

	===AD&D Amazon Lore===		===AD&D Amazon Lore===
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	'''Pierce:''' Requires the Penetrate ability. When you use a ranged attack, you can punch clean through multiple foes.<br/>		'''Pierce:''' Requires the Penetrate ability. When you use a ranged attack, you can punch clean through multiple foes.<br/>
	'''Valkyrie:''' Requires the Decoy and Evade abilities. You can summon a valkyrie to fight beside you once per day.		'''Valkyrie:''' Requires the Decoy and Evade abilities. You can summon a valkyrie to fight beside you once per day.

			===Villichi===
			Appearing in the Monstrous Compendium: Dark Sun Appendix 1 (Terrors of the Desert), the '''Villichi''' are [[Abhuman\|a stable mutant subspecies]] that randomly occurs amongst normal human births. Villichi appear as unusually tall and pale-skinned human women, averaging about 7 feet in height and wearing extensive clothing to ward off the burning rays of the sun. These mutant women are pseudo-albinos, suffering a -1 penalty to attack rolls and their psionic power scores if directly exposed to sunlight. They mature quicker than regular humans, though we're not told ''when'' that happens, but live much longer; 150 years is average for a Villichi, and the oldest living specimen today is 200 years old. Their defining attribute, however, is their powerful innate affinity for [[psionics]] - '''every''' Villichi is psionic, and this has allowed them to survive despite the obstacles in their path.

			Ironically, Villichi themselves are sterile, and dependent on recruiting the Villichi born to human parents - about one in every 30,000 human girls born on Athas is born a Villichi. Whilst the Villichi largely believe in a principle of living and letting live, they are vicious in protecting themselves and their race; as a result, Athasians have learned to leave Villichi alone when they are born, because they ''know'' that eventually, adult Villichi will come for the youngling and they will not stop until they have punished those who mistreated them. Likewise, they will stop at nothing to track down and brutally murder anyone foolish enough to harm one of their adult sisters, so the sane peoples of Athas largely leave them in peace.

			Relatively small in population, with a canonical population of only 500, the Villichi live in a convent-style fortress-city hidden in the Ringing Mountains. The leadership of the villichi is taken from the ranks of those few Villichi who develop the ability to locate others of their kind - a power that occurs spontaneously in 10% of Villichi who reach 13th level, and functions as a special variant of the "Locate Psionic" power, with no range limit. The most powerful of these "seekers" rules over the Villichi as a whole as the High Mistress, whilst the others are usually sent out into the wilderness as "envoys", charged with seeking out as many newborn Villichi as possible.

			As a people, the Villichi are largely concerned with their survival above all else. This determination to stay out of the Tablelands' politics has kept them alive; no Sorcerer-King is willing to risk overextending themselves by crushing the Villichi convent, particularly when the Villichi are content to stay on neutral terms with them as a whole.

	===Arkadian Amazons===		===Arkadian Amazons===

1d4chan>A Walrus: /* Myth/Origin */

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	Greek Amazons are only mentioned a few other times, generally in the context of waging war on the Greeks but the stories unfortunately are not elaborated on. Cults to Amazon leaders, gathering at Amazon tombs converted into temples, are also recorded.		Greek Amazons are only mentioned a few other times, generally in the context of waging war on the Greeks but the stories unfortunately are not elaborated on. Cults to Amazon leaders, gathering at Amazon tombs converted into temples, are also recorded.

	It should be noted that the ancient Greeks were, as a rule, really fucking misogynistic~~, as~~ in the unabashedly patriarchal Romans thought that the Greeks were sexist assholes.		It should be noted that the ancient Greeks were, as a rule, really fucking misogynistic. As in the unabashedly patriarchal Romans thought that the Greeks were sexist assholes. It's been argued by some classicists that the Amazons represented a villain which were an antithesis of Greek society.

	==[[Warhammer]]==		==[[Warhammer]]==

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	Greek Amazons are only mentioned a few other times, generally in the context of waging war on the Greeks but the stories unfortunately are not elaborated on. Cults to Amazon leaders, gathering at Amazon tombs converted into temples, are also recorded.		Greek Amazons are only mentioned a few other times, generally in the context of waging war on the Greeks but the stories unfortunately are not elaborated on. Cults to Amazon leaders, gathering at Amazon tombs converted into temples, are also recorded.

			It should be noted that the ancient Greeks were, as a rule, really fucking misogynistic, as in the unabashedly patriarchal Romans thought that the Greeks were sexist assholes.

	==[[Warhammer]]==		==[[Warhammer]]==