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	* '''Browning Auto-5''': One of the earliest semi-auto shotguns, it was extremely popular internationally with many aftermarket conversions, such as the short-barreled "Whippit" version, or extended magazine riot conversions.		* '''Browning Auto-5''': One of the earliest semi-auto shotguns, it was extremely popular internationally with many aftermarket conversions, such as the short-barreled "Whippit" version, or extended magazine riot conversions.
	===Machineguns===		===Machineguns===
	* '''M1917 Browning''': Mainly used as a static gun, the M1917 was a traditional water-cooled gun that looks superficially like the Maxim, but operated differently. Compared to the M1919 it was more of a pain to move around, but much less likely to overheat in battle.		* '''M1917 Browning''': Mainly used as a static gun, the M1917 was a traditional water-cooled gun that looks superficially like the Maxim, but operated differently. Compared to the M1919 it was more of a pain to move around, but much less likely to overheat in battle. Most famously was used by Marine Sergeant John Basilone on Guadalcanal in 1942, hefting the gun up without a tripod and firing thousands of rounds at the onrushing Japanese even while the overheating barrel burned his hands, earning him the Medal of Honor.
	* '''M1918A2 BAR''': The B.A.R was not the best LMG, though still better than the likes of the Type 11, Breda, or Type 99. Not necessarily because the BAR was bad mechanically like the Breda or the Type 99, (it was created by John Browning after all), but more so of its implementation as a squad LMG. When it was introduced in WWI it was. . .well arguably already out of date. The Bar was designed in ww1 to facilitate a tactic known as "Marching Fire", you basically shoot without aiming as you advance to suppress the enemy before you get into close quarters. Of course In WW1 the German's solved the solution of advancing against an enemy position via there Storm Trooper Tactics, so the BAR was arguably the best weapon at what it was designed to do: it just was a thing that was very good. The Panda of guns as it were. By WWII it was very outdated, and military thinkers failed to give it even basic design upgrades like a pistol grip, muzzle brake, or interchangeable barrel - features that plenty of foreign copies and non-military versions of the BAR all had. This was in large part because the Army spent most of its small arms budget on the Garand; since they couldn't make many BARs, any changes to the design had to fit the many 1918A2 pattern BARs in inventory. It was still highly valued by American G.I.s because come on, twenty automatic shots of .30-06 is awesome.		* '''M1918A2 BAR''': The B.A.R was not the best LMG, though still better than the likes of the Type 11, Breda, or Type 99. Not necessarily because the BAR was bad mechanically like the Breda or the Type 99, (it was created by John Browning after all), but more so of its implementation as a squad LMG. When it was introduced in WWI it was. . .well arguably already out of date. The Bar was designed in ww1 to facilitate a tactic known as "Marching Fire", you basically shoot without aiming as you advance to suppress the enemy before you get into close quarters. Of course In WW1 the German's solved the solution of advancing against an enemy position via there Storm Trooper Tactics, so the BAR was arguably the best weapon at what it was designed to do: it just was a thing that was very good. The Panda of guns as it were. By WWII it was very outdated, and military thinkers failed to give it even basic design upgrades like a pistol grip, muzzle brake, or interchangeable barrel - features that plenty of foreign copies and non-military versions of the BAR all had. This was in large part because the Army spent most of its small arms budget on the Garand; since they couldn't make many BARs, any changes to the design had to fit the many 1918A2 pattern BARs in inventory. It was still highly valued by American G.I.s because come on, twenty automatic shots of .30-06 is awesome.
	* '''M1919 Browning''': The air-cooled version of the M1917. The design was solid, rugged, reliable, and could carry over 200 .30-06 rounds of pure American freedom. The design saw use on everything from fighters and bombers to tanks and warships for primarily anti-personnel/anti-aircraft duty. Some of the most recognized vehicles equipped with the M1919 were the Jeep and the Sherman, the latter of which had two of the things in addition to an M2. While the M1919 was far outclassed compared to the MG34/42, it was a far better crew mounted weapon than the Japanese equivalents, making it a particularly ruthless opponent for Japanese soldiers, who often favored madly charging at their enemies when they ran out of ammo. Later variants were so light that they could awkwardly, but feasibly hip fired by a single man, though contrary to the movies, this was not as common as you'd expect.		* '''M1919 Browning''': The air-cooled version of the M1917. The design was solid, rugged, reliable, and could carry over 200 .30-06 rounds of pure American freedom. The design saw use on everything from fighters and bombers to tanks and warships for primarily anti-personnel/anti-aircraft duty. Some of the most recognized vehicles equipped with the M1919 were the Jeep and the Sherman, the latter of which had two of the things in addition to an M2. While the M1919 was far outclassed compared to the MG34/42, it was a far better crew mounted weapon than the Japanese equivalents, making it a particularly ruthless opponent for Japanese soldiers, who often favored madly charging at their enemies when they ran out of ammo. Later variants were so light that they could awkwardly, but feasibly hip fired by a single man as shown in some occasional footage, though contrary to the movies, this was not as common as you'd expect.
	:* '''AN/M2 "Stinger"''': Troops looking for a proper portable machine gun sometimes took matters into their own hands and made modified versions of the M1919; the most famous example was the so-called “Stinger” variant, an AN/M2 salvaged from aircraft with an M1 Garand buttstock, a BAR bipod and carry handle, and an insanely high rate of fire. Six of these were built for the battle of Iwo Jima, with one user posthumously given the Medal of Honor for his frankly insane but effective use of this frankengun in combat. Ultimately the army decided at first copy the German Idea of a universal machine gun and made the M60, but eventually they returned to this 'light man portable machinegun' concept with the M249 SAW, which also is a bit like the BAR in that it also shot the same ammo as the main infantry rifle in service at the time.		:* '''AN/M2 "Stinger"''': Troops looking for a proper portable machine gun sometimes took matters into their own hands and made modified versions of the M1919; the most famous example was the so-called “Stinger” variant, an AN/M2 salvaged from aircraft with an M1 Garand buttstock, a BAR bipod and carry handle, and an insanely high rate of fire. Six of these were built for the battle of Iwo Jima, with one user posthumously given the Medal of Honor for his frankly insane but effective use of this frankengun in combat. Ultimately the army decided at first copy the German Idea of a universal machine gun and made the M60, but eventually they returned to this 'light man portable machinegun' concept with the M249 SAW, which also is a bit like the BAR in that it also shot the same ammo as the main infantry rifle in service at the time.

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	* '''155mm''': The working size for divarty. Confusingly, the US had four different 155mm systems, two each in howitzer and long gun configurations; the older two being knockoffs of French WW1 designs, and the newer pair being post-war redesigns. Most of these were were towed, but both long gun versions received self-propelled designs (M12 & M40) during the war. The army really wanted a mobile version of the howitzer, but after having accepted hasty, compromise designs like the M7, they wanted this one to be on the latest tank chassis (the Chaffee) which wasn't ready in time. The units that were made went on to serve in Korea.		* '''155mm''': The working size for divarty. Confusingly, the US had four different 155mm systems, two each in howitzer and long gun configurations; the older two being knockoffs of French WW1 designs, and the newer pair being post-war redesigns. Most of these were were towed, but both long gun versions received self-propelled designs (M12 & M40) during the war. The army really wanted a mobile version of the howitzer, but after having accepted hasty, compromise designs like the M7, they wanted this one to be on the latest tank chassis (the Chaffee) which wasn't ready in time. The units that were made went on to serve in Korea.

	* '''203mm''': The America's entry in the artillery dick-swinging contest, a cruiser sized naval gun on a trailer. Of the long gun configuration, only 139 were made, and they were kept together in dedicated battalions and sent wherever someone needed armored fortifications cracked. The howitzer was more common; about a thousand were made and were put in units alongside the 155mm. These were still serving into Vietnam and even had nuclear shells. The last spare 203mm barrels were converted into bombs and used in a last minute effort to hit Saddam's bunker in 1991.		* '''203mm''': The America's entry in the artillery dick-swinging contest, a cruiser sized naval gun on a trailer. Of the long gun configuration, only 139 were made, and they were kept together in dedicated battalions and sent wherever someone needed armored fortifications cracked. The howitzer was more common; about a thousand were made and were put in units alongside the 155mm. These were still serving into Vietnam and even had nuclear shells. The last spare 203mm barrels were converted into bombs and used in a last minute effort to hit Saddam's bunker in 1991. They were bored out to make bunker busters and when the planes had taken off the explosives inside hadn't even cooled yet, making this probably one of the fastest successful weapon tests in history. One was tested without explosives just a bit off the factory, one missed and exploded and the third one hit a bunker and killed everyone but Saddam was not there.

	* '''240mm''': This monster howitzer was a relic of WW1, but the US made a few hundred new ones just because they still had plenty of shells... or rather, 350 pound bombs that don't need planes. Like the long 203's, the 240's were mostly kept together as independent battalions and sent wherever they could contribute. A dozen 240's were brought back for Korea until they ran out of shells. The first shot in Korea was fired at a highly fortified hill called the donut and was intended to be ceremonial, but instead directly impacted on an ammo dump and blew the top of the hill apart. Taiwan keeps them in service on some of the outlying islands to shell as many incoming PLA transports and troop concentrations until ammo goes out.		* '''240mm''': This monster howitzer was a relic of WW1, but the US made a few hundred new ones just because they still had plenty of shells... or rather, 350 pound bombs that don't need planes. Like the long 203's, the 240's were mostly kept together as independent battalions and sent wherever they could contribute. A dozen 240's were brought back for Korea until they ran out of shells. The first shot in Korea was fired at a highly fortified hill called the donut and was intended to be ceremonial, but instead directly impacted on an ammo dump and blew the top of the hill apart. Taiwan keeps them in service on some of the outlying islands to shell as many incoming PLA transports and troop concentrations until ammo goes out.

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	* '''155mm''': The working size for divarty. Confusingly, the US had four different 155mm systems, two each in howitzer and long gun configurations; the older two being knockoffs of French WW1 designs, and the newer pair being post-war redesigns. Most of these were were towed, but both long gun versions received self-propelled designs (M12 & M40) during the war. The army really wanted a mobile version of the howitzer, but after having accepted hasty, compromise designs like the M7, they wanted this one to be on the latest tank chassis (the Chaffee) which wasn't ready in time. The units that were made went on to serve in Korea.		* '''155mm''': The working size for divarty. Confusingly, the US had four different 155mm systems, two each in howitzer and long gun configurations; the older two being knockoffs of French WW1 designs, and the newer pair being post-war redesigns. Most of these were were towed, but both long gun versions received self-propelled designs (M12 & M40) during the war. The army really wanted a mobile version of the howitzer, but after having accepted hasty, compromise designs like the M7, they wanted this one to be on the latest tank chassis (the Chaffee) which wasn't ready in time. The units that were made went on to serve in Korea.

	* '''203mm''': The America's entry in the artillery dick-swinging contest, a cruiser sized naval gun on a trailer. Of the long gun configuration, only 139 were made, and they were kept together in dedicated battalions and sent wherever someone needed armored fortifications cracked. The howitzer was more common; about a thousand were made and were put in units alongside the 155mm. These were still serving into Vietnam and even had nuclear shells.		* '''203mm''': The America's entry in the artillery dick-swinging contest, a cruiser sized naval gun on a trailer. Of the long gun configuration, only 139 were made, and they were kept together in dedicated battalions and sent wherever someone needed armored fortifications cracked. The howitzer was more common; about a thousand were made and were put in units alongside the 155mm. These were still serving into Vietnam and even had nuclear shells. The last spare 203mm barrels were converted into bombs and used in a last minute effort to hit Saddam's bunker in 1991.

	* '''240mm''': This monster howitzer was a relic of WW1, but the US made a few hundred new ones just because they still had plenty of shells... or rather, 350 pound bombs that don't need planes. Like the long 203's, the 240's were mostly kept together as independent battalions and sent wherever they could contribute. A dozen 240's were brought back for Korea until they ran out of shells. The first shot in Korea was fired at a highly fortified hill called the donut and was intended to be ceremonial, but instead directly impacted on an ammo dump and blew the top of the hill apart. Taiwan keeps them in service on some of the outlying islands to shell as many incoming PLA transports and troop concentrations until ammo goes out.		* '''240mm''': This monster howitzer was a relic of WW1, but the US made a few hundred new ones just because they still had plenty of shells... or rather, 350 pound bombs that don't need planes. Like the long 203's, the 240's were mostly kept together as independent battalions and sent wherever they could contribute. A dozen 240's were brought back for Korea until they ran out of shells. The first shot in Korea was fired at a highly fortified hill called the donut and was intended to be ceremonial, but instead directly impacted on an ammo dump and blew the top of the hill apart. Taiwan keeps them in service on some of the outlying islands to shell as many incoming PLA transports and troop concentrations until ammo goes out.

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	* '''75mm''': The 75mm field gun was an obsolete holdover from WW1, but it was still around at the start of the war. It was much more useful in its howitzer configuration, which was designed from the ground up for light infantry working in rough country. Both versions were pretty easy to mount on halftracks. The M8 (built on the M5 light tank design) used one of these as its main gun.		* '''75mm''': The 75mm field gun was an obsolete holdover from WW1, but it was still around at the start of the war. It was much more useful in its howitzer configuration, which was designed from the ground up for light infantry working in rough country. Both versions were pretty easy to mount on halftracks. The M8 (built on the M5 light tank design) used one of these as its main gun.

	* '''105mm''': The main size for artillery that advanced with armor and infantry~~, and unlike everything else~~ the 105 was pretty much only used in the howitzer configuration. The normal configuration was a towed howitzer pulled by a halftrack, but a minimum weight version for gliders and jeeps was also made. The first self-propelled versions were halftracks but by the time of Normandy the main mobile version was the M7 Priest.		* '''105mm''': The main size for artillery that advanced with armor and infantry; the 105 was pretty much only used in the howitzer configuration, although long AT versions were tested. The normal configuration was a towed howitzer pulled by a halftrack, but a minimum weight version for gliders and jeeps was also made. The first self-propelled versions were halftracks but by the time of Normandy the main mobile version was the M7 Priest.

	* '''155mm''': The working size for divarty. Confusingly, the US had four different 155mm systems, two each in howitzer and long gun configurations; the older two being knockoffs of French WW1 designs, and the newer pair being post-war redesigns. Most of these were were towed, but both long gun versions received self-propelled designs (M12 & M40) during the war. The army really wanted a mobile version of the howitzer, but after having accepted hasty, compromise designs like the M7, they wanted this one to be on the latest tank chassis (the Chaffee) which wasn't ready in time. The units that were made went on to serve in Korea.		* '''155mm''': The working size for divarty. Confusingly, the US had four different 155mm systems, two each in howitzer and long gun configurations; the older two being knockoffs of French WW1 designs, and the newer pair being post-war redesigns. Most of these were were towed, but both long gun versions received self-propelled designs (M12 & M40) during the war. The army really wanted a mobile version of the howitzer, but after having accepted hasty, compromise designs like the M7, they wanted this one to be on the latest tank chassis (the Chaffee) which wasn't ready in time. The units that were made went on to serve in Korea.

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	* '''75mm''': The 75mm field gun was an obsolete holdover from WW1, but it was still around at the start of the war. It was much more useful in its howitzer configuration, which was designed from the ground up for light infantry working in rough country. Both versions were pretty easy to mount on halftracks. The M8 (built on the M5 light tank design) used one of these as its main gun.		* '''75mm''': The 75mm field gun was an obsolete holdover from WW1, but it was still around at the start of the war. It was much more useful in its howitzer configuration, which was designed from the ground up for light infantry working in rough country. Both versions were pretty easy to mount on halftracks. The M8 (built on the M5 light tank design) used one of these as its main gun.

	* '''105mm''': The main size for artillery that advanced with armor and infantry, and unlike everything else the 105 was pretty much only used in the howitzer configuration. The normal configuration was a towed howitzer, but a ~~cut down towable~~ for gliders was also made. The first self-propelled versions were halftracks but by the time of Normandy the main mobile version was the M7 Priest.		* '''105mm''': The main size for artillery that advanced with armor and infantry, and unlike everything else the 105 was pretty much only used in the howitzer configuration. The normal configuration was a towed howitzer pulled by a halftrack, but a minimum weight version for gliders and jeeps was also made. The first self-propelled versions were halftracks but by the time of Normandy the main mobile version was the M7 Priest.

	* '''155mm''': The working size for divarty. Confusingly, the US had four different 155mm systems, two each in howitzer and long gun configurations; the older two being knockoffs of French WW1 designs, and the newer pair being post-war redesigns. Most of these were were towed, but both long gun versions received self-propelled designs (M12 & M40) during the war. The army really wanted a mobile version of the howitzer, but after having accepted hasty, compromise designs like the M7, they wanted this one to be on the latest tank chassis (the Chaffee) which wasn't ready in time. The units that were made went on to serve in Korea.		* '''155mm''': The working size for divarty. Confusingly, the US had four different 155mm systems, two each in howitzer and long gun configurations; the older two being knockoffs of French WW1 designs, and the newer pair being post-war redesigns. Most of these were were towed, but both long gun versions received self-propelled designs (M12 & M40) during the war. The army really wanted a mobile version of the howitzer, but after having accepted hasty, compromise designs like the M7, they wanted this one to be on the latest tank chassis (the Chaffee) which wasn't ready in time. The units that were made went on to serve in Korea.

1d4chan>Piroko: /* Artillery and AT Guns */

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	* '''75mm''': The 75mm field gun was an obsolete holdover from WW1, but it was still around at the start of the war. It was much more useful in its howitzer configuration, which was designed from the ground up for light infantry working in rough country. Both versions were pretty easy to mount on halftracks. The M8 (built on the M5 light tank design) used one of these as its main gun.		* '''75mm''': The 75mm field gun was an obsolete holdover from WW1, but it was still around at the start of the war. It was much more useful in its howitzer configuration, which was designed from the ground up for light infantry working in rough country. Both versions were pretty easy to mount on halftracks. The M8 (built on the M5 light tank design) used one of these as its main gun.

	* '''105mm''': The main size for artillery that advanced with armor and infantry. The normal configuration was a towed ~~gun~~, but a cut down towable for gliders was also made. The first self-propelled versions were halftracks but by the time of Normandy the main mobile version was the M7 Priest.		* '''105mm''': The main size for artillery that advanced with armor and infantry, and unlike everything else the 105 was pretty much only used in the howitzer configuration. The normal configuration was a towed howitzer, but a cut down towable for gliders was also made. The first self-propelled versions were halftracks but by the time of Normandy the main mobile version was the M7 Priest.

	* '''155mm''': The working size for divarty. Confusingly, the US had four different 155mm systems, two each in howitzer and long gun configurations; the older two being knockoffs of French WW1 designs, and the newer pair being post-war redesigns. Most of these were were towed, but both long gun versions received self-propelled designs (M12 & M40) during the war. The army really wanted a mobile version of the howitzer, but after having accepted hasty, compromise designs like the M7, they wanted this one to be on the latest tank chassis (the Chaffee) which wasn't ready in time. The units that were made went on to serve in Korea.		* '''155mm''': The working size for divarty. Confusingly, the US had four different 155mm systems, two each in howitzer and long gun configurations; the older two being knockoffs of French WW1 designs, and the newer pair being post-war redesigns. Most of these were were towed, but both long gun versions received self-propelled designs (M12 & M40) during the war. The army really wanted a mobile version of the howitzer, but after having accepted hasty, compromise designs like the M7, they wanted this one to be on the latest tank chassis (the Chaffee) which wasn't ready in time. The units that were made went on to serve in Korea.

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	The Americans used five sizes of artillery in the war. Most of these came in both gun (long) and howitzer (short) configurations. Self propelled versions of virtually everything were attempted, but only a few designs actually reached the field in WW2, although more would see action in Korea and Vietnam.		The Americans used five sizes of artillery in the war. Most of these came in both gun (long) and howitzer (short) configurations. Self propelled versions of virtually everything were attempted, but only a few designs actually reached the field in WW2, although more would see action in Korea and Vietnam.

	* '''75mm''': The 75mm field gun was an obsolete holdover from WW1, but it was still around at the start of the war. It was much more useful in its howitzer configuration, which was designed from the ground up for light infantry working in rough country. Both versions were pretty easy to mount on halftracks. ~~A super short barreled version was stuck~~ on a light tank ~~to make the M8~~.		* '''75mm''': The 75mm field gun was an obsolete holdover from WW1, but it was still around at the start of the war. It was much more useful in its howitzer configuration, which was designed from the ground up for light infantry working in rough country. Both versions were pretty easy to mount on halftracks. The M8 (built on the M5 light tank design) used one of these as its main gun.

	* '''105mm''': The main size for artillery that advanced with armor and infantry. The normal configuration was a towed gun, but a cut down towable for gliders was also made. The first self-propelled versions were halftracks but by the time of Normandy the main mobile version was the M7 Priest.		* '''105mm''': The main size for artillery that advanced with armor and infantry. The normal configuration was a towed gun, but a cut down towable for gliders was also made. The first self-propelled versions were halftracks but by the time of Normandy the main mobile version was the M7 Priest.

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Tanks

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	**'''M4AX''': Ok quick thing about that "AX", there should be a number there to denote which version of the Sherman your talking about, there are seven different standardize types, that range from M4 to M4A6. Practically though there all functionally the same so it's just a way to both acknowledge that and also ensure were talking about all of them. Got it? Good. Now the M4 is one of the 'big three' tanks of WW2 alongside the T-34 and the Tiger as the Tank Everybody Knows. And like those tanks there are arguments as to whether it was any good. The M4 medium was one of the best mass produced tanks of the war. Not quite reaching T-34's level of Zerg Rush but with much better quality control, which mattered since the things had to cross an ocean in either direction to get to any fighting. When the M4 was first introduced it was more then a match for the German standard tanks, but unexpectedly for the Americans the Germans double down and focused on their heavy tanks, leaving the M4 a bit out gunned. Not complexly, even if forced to fight M4's especially with the 76mm it could deal with a Tiger, if not easily at long range, but the Panther was a whole nother beast. The general superiority of the German heavy armor has lead to the myth that it took 5 M4's to match one tiger, what they fail to mention is that the M4 was attacking and so were always going to take more losses to a tiger, and they also don't mention that US tanks operate in 5 tank platoons. So if a tiger was seen you send a platoon of five tanks to the area, hence the myth. But more then any of that the Sherman's big advantage was being able to be mass produced, Sent Across an '''Ocean''', and send to front line en-mass. That is a victory of logistics and design and not one to take lightly.		**'''M4AX''': Ok quick thing about that "AX", there should be a number there to denote which version of the Sherman your talking about, there are seven different standardize types, that range from M4 to M4A6. Practically though there all functionally the same so it's just a way to both acknowledge that and also ensure were talking about all of them. Got it? Good. Now the M4 is one of the 'big three' tanks of WW2 alongside the T-34 and the Tiger as the Tank Everybody Knows. And like those tanks there are arguments as to whether it was any good. The M4 medium was one of the best mass produced tanks of the war. Not quite reaching T-34's level of Zerg Rush but with much better quality control, which mattered since the things had to cross an ocean in either direction to get to any fighting. When the M4 was first introduced it was more then a match for the German standard tanks, but unexpectedly for the Americans the Germans double down and focused on their heavy tanks, leaving the M4 a bit out gunned. Not complexly, even if forced to fight M4's especially with the 76mm it could deal with a Tiger, if not easily at long range, but the Panther was a whole nother beast. The general superiority of the German heavy armor has lead to the myth that it took 5 M4's to match one tiger, what they fail to mention is that the M4 was attacking and so were always going to take more losses to a tiger, and they also don't mention that US tanks operate in 5 tank platoons. So if a tiger was seen you send a platoon of five tanks to the area, hence the myth. But more then any of that the Sherman's big advantage was being able to be mass produced, Sent Across an '''Ocean''', and send to front line en-mass. That is a victory of logistics and design and not one to take lightly.
	**'''M4-105''': Built for the same reason as the German Stug, the 105 m4's job was to drive up to fortification and put accurate 105mm high explosive shells right on top of them. Remember this was WW2 no drone spotting to correct your fire, best way to be accurate was to get reeeeeeal close to what you wanted to destroy.		**'''M4-105''': Built for the same reason as the German Stug, the 105 m4's job was to drive up to fortification and put accurate 105mm high explosive shells right on top of them. Remember this was WW2 no drone spotting to correct your fire, best way to be accurate was to get reeeeeeal close to what you wanted to destroy.
			**'''M4A3E2:''' You ever notice that the US is the only nation in WW2 to never actually use a heavy tank? Brits had the Churchill, Soviets had the KV and IS, Germans had the big cats, but the yanks had nothing. When you remember that Shermans had to be carried across the ocean it does make sense. . .that and the m6 project failed. Better use of the cargo space to have more tanks after all. But The M4A3E2, the '''Sherman Jumbo''' as it would be called post war, is the answer to the heavy tank niche. While not numerous, the Jumbos were built with Extra armor to make them much more resilient against anti tank guns including the infamed 88mm and fixed fortifcations, and as they were built with the 75mm gun and it's good HE shell originally it was a job the Jumbo could do well.

	===Tank Destroyers/Assault Guns===		===Tank Destroyers/Assault Guns===

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	* '''203mm''': The America's entry in the artillery dick-swinging contest, a cruiser sized naval gun on a trailer. Of the long gun configuration, only 139 were made, and they were kept together in dedicated battalions and sent wherever someone needed armored fortifications cracked. The howitzer was more common; about a thousand were made and were put in units alongside the 155mm. These were still serving into Vietnam and even had nuclear shells.		* '''203mm''': The America's entry in the artillery dick-swinging contest, a cruiser sized naval gun on a trailer. Of the long gun configuration, only 139 were made, and they were kept together in dedicated battalions and sent wherever someone needed armored fortifications cracked. The howitzer was more common; about a thousand were made and were put in units alongside the 155mm. These were still serving into Vietnam and even had nuclear shells.

	* '''240mm''': This monster howitzer was a relic of WW1, but the US made a few hundred new ones just because they still had plenty of shells... or rather, 350 pound bombs that don't need planes. Like the long 203's, the 240's were mostly kept together as independent battalions and sent wherever they could contribute. A dozen 240's were brought back for Korea until they ran out of shells.		* '''240mm''': This monster howitzer was a relic of WW1, but the US made a few hundred new ones just because they still had plenty of shells... or rather, 350 pound bombs that don't need planes. Like the long 203's, the 240's were mostly kept together as independent battalions and sent wherever they could contribute. A dozen 240's were brought back for Korea until they ran out of shells. The first shot in Korea was fired at a highly fortified hill called the donut and was intended to be ceremonial, but instead directly impacted on an ammo dump and blew the top of the hill apart. Taiwan keeps them in service on some of the outlying islands to shell as many incoming PLA transports and troop concentrations until ammo goes out.

	==Vehicles==		==Vehicles==