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	A system for running massively huge games of [[Warhammer 40,000]] in 28mm scale, an alternative to [[Epic]]. Some of the primary changes include the lack of a Force Organization Chart, Apocalypse Datasheets with extra rules to represent formations, special Apocalypse-only super-heavy units (like much of what [[Forge World]] puts out), and "strategic assets," which are various factors used to balance out the two sides (including one that, hilariously, [[troll\|prevents team-members from communicating while setting up their forces if they have a numerical advantage]]).		A system for running massively huge games of [[Warhammer 40,000]] in 28mm scale, an alternative to [[Epic]]. Some of the primary changes include the lack of a Force Organization Chart, Apocalypse Datasheets with extra rules to represent formations, special Apocalypse-only super-heavy units (like much of what [[Forge World]] puts out), and "strategic assets," which are various factors used to balance out the two sides (including one that, hilariously, [[troll\|prevents team-members from communicating while setting up their forces if they have a numerical advantage]]).

	The [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle]] variant of this game is [[Storm of Magic]], with a heavy emphasis on magic, monsters and high-point battles.		The [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle]] variant of this game was [[Storm of Magic]], with a heavy emphasis on magic, monsters and high-point battles.

	==How Did This Happen?==		==How Did This Happen?==

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	# GW [[Profit\|Profits]]		# GW [[Profit\|Profits]]

	Alternatively, get some Epic scale (6-8mm) models and play Tiny Apocalypse using half range for rough balancing. These can be found at third party companies, or if you know someone who owns a 3D printer. Adeptus Titanicus titans are great for these kinds of games.		Alternatively, get some Epic scale (6-8mm) models and play Tiny Apocalypse using half range for rough balancing. These can be found at third party companies, or if you know someone who owns a 3D printer. Adeptus Titanicus titans are great for these kinds of games, for aircraft models there's Aeronautica Imperialis.

	{{WaysToPlay40k}}		{{WaysToPlay40k}}

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	==How Can I Run an Apocalypse Game?==		==How Can I Run an Apocalypse Game?==
	# Sell your belongings, body, spare organs, and any siblings or children you may have on the street in order to acquire the Imperial Armor books and [[Forge World]] models (unless you play [[Orks]] and [[THIN YOUR PAINTS\|can model]], and have a powerful internet connection and know how to [[Freebooters\|pirate]] the Imperial Armor series).		# Sell your belongings, body, spare organs, and any siblings or children you may have on the street in order to acquire the Imperial Armor books and [[Forge World]] models (unless you play [[Orks]] and [[THIN YOUR PAINTS\|can model]]/have bases, and have a powerful internet connection and know how to [[Freebooters\|pirate]] the Imperial Armor series).
	# Find a place big enough to play. Abandoned warehouses work well however can be a bit of a squeeze.		# Find a place big enough to play. Abandoned warehouses work well however can be a bit of a squeeze.
	# Find some people to play with, preferably people you're OK not being friends with anymore.		# Find some people to play with, preferably people you're OK not being friends with anymore.

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	===8th Edition 40k===		===8th Edition 40k===
	From 8th edition Lords of War became normal play units with most common models except for titans appearing in the standard faction codices and the ability to field a detachment in matchplay solely containing a Lord of War without HQ or other unit requirements with no penalty to command points and even bonus command points for fielding a detachment consisting of 3 or more LoW. They do remain expensive ~~unit,~~ however, with most in the 25-30 power 400 base cost with 200 additional wargear point range though there are a small handful of cheaper LoW (albeit ones that wouldn't be classified as superheavies themselves, such as [[Roboute Guilliman]] or [[Mortarion]]). Forgeworld have updated their Imperial Armour codices for 8th edition and they remain officially sanctioned supplements by Games Workshop.		From 8th edition Lords of War became normal play units with most common models except for titans appearing in the standard faction codices and the ability to field a detachment in matchplay solely containing a Lord of War without HQ or other unit requirements with no penalty to command points, and even bonus command points for fielding a detachment consisting of 3 or more LoW. They do remain expensive units however, with most in the 25-30 power 400 base cost with 200 additional wargear point range, though there are a small handful of cheaper LoW (albeit ones that wouldn't be classified as superheavies themselves, such as [[Roboute Guilliman]] or [[Mortarion]]). Forgeworld have updated their Imperial Armour codices for 8th edition and they remain officially sanctioned supplements by Games Workshop.

	==Apocalypse (Specialist Game)==		==Apocalypse (Specialist Game)==

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	# ???		# ???
	# GW [[Profit\|Profits]]		# GW [[Profit\|Profits]]

			Alternatively, get some Epic scale (6-8mm) models and play Tiny Apocalypse using half range for rough balancing. These can be found at third party companies, or if you know someone who owns a 3D printer. Adeptus Titanicus titans are great for these kinds of games.

	{{WaysToPlay40k}}		{{WaysToPlay40k}}

	[[Category:Warhammer 40,000]]		[[Category:Warhammer 40,000]]

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Apocalypse (Specialist Game)

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	*Blast markers track units that have been wounded; if a unit that has received a small blast marker is wounded again in the same action phase, it becomes a large blast marker (every odd-numbered wound after that applies a new small blast marker in the same manner, and every even-numbered wound upgrades the marker). Saves (which are just one roll since AP doesn't exist in Apocalypse) vary depending on the type of marker assigned and are performed for each blast marker present; with a small marker the roll is made with a d12, while a large marker makes it a d6 instead. Units that fail a save take damage markers, and a unit is destroyed if its damage markers are at least equal to their wound count.		*Blast markers track units that have been wounded; if a unit that has received a small blast marker is wounded again in the same action phase, it becomes a large blast marker (every odd-numbered wound after that applies a new small blast marker in the same manner, and every even-numbered wound upgrades the marker). Saves (which are just one roll since AP doesn't exist in Apocalypse) vary depending on the type of marker assigned and are performed for each blast marker present; with a small marker the roll is made with a d12, while a large marker makes it a d6 instead. Units that fail a save take damage markers, and a unit is destroyed if its damage markers are at least equal to their wound count.
	**Consequently, save numbers for most units have been adjusted for the new system (E.G. MEQs now save on a 6+ instead of a 3+ and TEQs save on a 4+ instead of a 2+).		**Consequently, save numbers for most units have been adjusted for the new system (E.G. MEQs now save on a 6+ instead of a 3+ and TEQs save on a 4+ instead of a 2+).
	**Units which have a number of damage markers greater than ~~or equal to~~ half their wounds count are considered "critically damaged" and have their Attacks stat cut in half.		**Units which have a number of damage markers greater than half their wounds count are considered "critically damaged" and have their Attacks stat cut in half.
	*Command Assets return, and act as a combination of Stratagems and psychic powers. You set up a deck of 30 before the game begins and draw one card per Order Phase plus an extra card for each Warlord present in your army (up to a maximum of 10). These can be universal or specific to certain factions and sub-factions.		*Command Assets return, and act as a combination of Stratagems and psychic powers. You set up a deck of 30 before the game begins and draw one card per Order Phase plus an extra card for each Warlord present in your army (up to a maximum of 10). These can be universal or specific to certain factions and sub-factions.

1d4chan>Newerfag: Too early to tell for that part, since in theory a regular set of 40k Detachments could be used to play Apocalypse just fine.

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Too early to tell for that part, since in theory a regular set of 40k Detachments could be used to play Apocalypse just fine.

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	**'''Damage Phase''': Resolve damage and morale for units. Note that since this comes ''after'' the Action phase, a unit that's taken enough damage to kill them off can still do something before they go down!		**'''Damage Phase''': Resolve damage and morale for units. Note that since this comes ''after'' the Action phase, a unit that's taken enough damage to kill them off can still do something before they go down!
	*All models within a unit must end their turn within half an inch of another model in the unit, hence the movement trays.		*All models within a unit must end their turn within half an inch of another model in the unit, hence the movement trays.
	*Stats are heavily altered. Strength and Toughness are no longer inherent to the model, and damage (along with saves) is calculated differently as described further below. The Attacks stat now seems to govern the number of times a unit can shoot as well as the number of times it can make melee attacks. Weapons now have two Strength scores, one for use against infantry and another for use against vehicles and other larger units; wounding is determined by rolling against a d12, with the target score equal to the corresponding Strength equivalent. For example, a bolt rifle would need to roll a 5+ to wound an infantry unit and an 8+ to wound a tank. This speeds up the process of figuring out whether or not a hit unit has been wounded, and also makes AP obsolete as a stat.		*Stats are heavily altered. Strength and Toughness are no longer inherent to the model, and damage (along with saves) is calculated differently as described further below. The Attacks stat now seems to govern the number of times a unit can shoot as well as the number of times it can make melee attacks (as opposed to 40k where the number of times a unit can shoot is based on their weapon). Weapons now have two Strength scores, one for use against infantry and another for use against vehicles and other larger units; wounding is determined by rolling against a d12, with the target score equal to the corresponding Strength equivalent. For example, a bolt rifle would need to roll a 5+ to wound an infantry unit and an 8+ to wound a tank. This speeds up the process of figuring out whether or not a hit unit has been wounded, and also makes AP obsolete as a stat.
	**As it's generally harder for most weapons to wound vehicles than it is for them to wound infantry, this means that even normally squishy vehicles will get a boost to their survivability. However, it also appears that many anti-vehicle weapons will ~~struggle to wound~~ infantry, so armies will need to find a balance between anti-infantry and anti-vehicle firepower.		**As it's generally harder for most weapons to wound vehicles than it is for them to wound infantry, this means that even normally squishy vehicles will get a boost to their survivability. However, it also appears that many anti-vehicle weapons will have an equally bad chance at wounding infantry, so armies will need to find a balance between anti-infantry and anti-vehicle firepower.
	*Blast markers track units that have been wounded; if a unit that has received a small blast marker is wounded again in the same action phase, it becomes a large blast marker (~~further wounds apply~~ a new small blast marker in the same manner). Saves (which are just one roll since AP doesn't exist in Apocalypse) vary depending on the type of marker assigned; with a small marker the roll is made with a d12, while a large marker makes it a d6 instead. Units that fail a save take damage markers, and a unit is destroyed if its damage markers are at least equal to their wound count.		*Blast markers track units that have been wounded; if a unit that has received a small blast marker is wounded again in the same action phase, it becomes a large blast marker (every odd-numbered wound after that applies a new small blast marker in the same manner, and every even-numbered wound upgrades the marker). Saves (which are just one roll since AP doesn't exist in Apocalypse) vary depending on the type of marker assigned and are performed for each blast marker present; with a small marker the roll is made with a d12, while a large marker makes it a d6 instead. Units that fail a save take damage markers, and a unit is destroyed if its damage markers are at least equal to their wound count.
	**Consequently, save numbers for most units have been adjusted for the new system (E.G. MEQs now save on a 6+ instead of a 3+ ; TEQs save on a 4+ instead of a 2+).		**Consequently, save numbers for most units have been adjusted for the new system (E.G. MEQs now save on a 6+ instead of a 3+ and TEQs save on a 4+ instead of a 2+).
			**Units which have a number of damage markers greater than or equal to half their wounds count are considered "critically damaged" and have their Attacks stat cut in half.
	*Command Assets return, and act as a combination of Stratagems and psychic powers. You set up a deck of 30 before the game begins and draw one card per Order Phase plus an extra card for each Warlord present in your army (up to a maximum of 10). These can be universal or specific to certain factions and sub-factions.		*Command Assets return, and act as a combination of Stratagems and psychic powers. You set up a deck of 30 before the game begins and draw one card per Order Phase plus an extra card for each Warlord present in your army (up to a maximum of 10). These can be universal or specific to certain factions and sub-factions.

	However, despite being given a similar hype treatment as Kill Team, complete with Faction Focus articles leading up to the release, if GW is aiming for a similar degree of success with Apocalypse as a Specialist Game they are likely going to be disappointed. Kill Team was a runaway hit because it's fast, simple, and cheap to get into and play. The perfect gateway into 40k. Apocalypse is the complete opposite of that, being extremely expensive and time consuming just to get a playable army.

	==How Can I Run an Apocalypse Game?==		==How Can I Run an Apocalypse Game?==

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	**Consequently, save numbers for most units have been adjusted for the new system (E.G. MEQs now save on a 6+ instead of a 3+ ; TEQs save on a 4+ instead of a 2+).		**Consequently, save numbers for most units have been adjusted for the new system (E.G. MEQs now save on a 6+ instead of a 3+ ; TEQs save on a 4+ instead of a 2+).
	*Command Assets return, and act as a combination of Stratagems and psychic powers. You set up a deck of 30 before the game begins and draw one card per Order Phase plus an extra card for each Warlord present in your army (up to a maximum of 10). These can be universal or specific to certain factions and sub-factions.		*Command Assets return, and act as a combination of Stratagems and psychic powers. You set up a deck of 30 before the game begins and draw one card per Order Phase plus an extra card for each Warlord present in your army (up to a maximum of 10). These can be universal or specific to certain factions and sub-factions.

			However, despite being given a similar hype treatment as Kill Team, complete with Faction Focus articles leading up to the release, if GW is aiming for a similar degree of success with Apocalypse as a Specialist Game they are likely going to be disappointed. Kill Team was a runaway hit because it's fast, simple, and cheap to get into and play. The perfect gateway into 40k. Apocalypse is the complete opposite of that, being extremely expensive and time consuming just to get a playable army.

	==How Can I Run an Apocalypse Game?==		==How Can I Run an Apocalypse Game?==

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	==Escalation==		==Escalation==
	GW realized that no one plays Apocalypse scale battles due to their size and time (and thus don't buy their models). To fix this, they came up with a new supplement for 40k proper called '''Escalation''' that allows you to use a '''Lord of War''' (Super-Heavies and Gargantuan Creatures) in your Force Organization chart, complete with [[Anal Circumference\|Strength D weaponry]]. So now you can have a Baneblade in your 1500 points game, like an asshole. So far its just one or two models per race ''(unless you play Imperial, in which case you get all the Baneblade variants and can take units from [[Imperial Armour]])'', but you'd be extremely unlikely to be fielding more than one Lord of War anyway.		GW realized that no one plays Apocalypse scale battles due to their size and time (and thus don't buy their models). To fix this, they came up with a new supplement for 40k proper called '''Escalation''' that allows you to use a '''Lord of War''' (Super-Heavies and Gargantuan Creatures) in your Force Organization chart, complete with [[Anal Circumference\|Strength D weaponry]]. So now you can have a Baneblade in your 1500 points game, like an asshole. So far its just one or two models per race ''(unless you play Imperial, in which case you get all the Baneblade variants and can take units from [[Imperial Armour]])'', but you'd be extremely unlikely to be fielding more than one Lord of War anyway.

	The initial reaction to Escalation was broadly negative from the player base, as accusations flew around about it making things wildly imbalanced when one player's army doesn't have access to a Lord of War or counters to Strength-D weapons for whatever reason.		The initial reaction to Escalation was broadly negative from the player base, as accusations flew around about it making things wildly imbalanced when one player's army doesn't have access to a Lord of War or counters to Strength-D weapons for whatever reason.
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	GW is still promoting Apocalyse through its own supplements, focusing on specific battles between races, granting new Finest Hour abilities, Formations and Strategic Assets for each participant.		GW is still promoting Apocalyse through its own supplements, focusing on specific battles between races, granting new Finest Hour abilities, Formations and Strategic Assets for each participant.
	*'''Warzone Armageddon''' - Part of the Apocalypse book. Orks vs Guard, Templars & Blood Angels		*'''Warzone Armageddon''' - Part of the Apocalypse book. Orks vs Guard, Templars & Blood Angels
	*'''Warzone Damnos''' - Ultramarines vs Necrons		*'''Warzone Damnos''' - Ultramarines vs Necrons
	*'''Warzone Pandorax''' - Chaos vs Guard, Dark Angels & Grey Knights		*'''Warzone Pandorax''' - Chaos vs Guard, Dark Angels & Grey Knights
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	==Apocalypse (Specialist Game)==		==Apocalypse (Specialist Game)==

	Apocalypse has been announced as its own Specialist Game once more, available in July 2019. Using standard 28mm scale models and movement trays, the system also seems to use d12s, markers, and cards. The announcement video for the new system can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcMQkyGJePA/ here].		Apocalypse has been announced as its own Specialist Game once more, available in July 2019. Using standard 28mm scale models and movement trays, the system also seems to use d12s, markers, and cards. The announcement video for the new system can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcMQkyGJePA/ here].

	Here's what we know so far:		Here's what we know so far:
	*Like 40k proper, an Apocalypse army is made up of Detachments that are set up like their 40k counterparts, but now every unit in a given Detachment is activated at once. Whoever has the highest Ld in a Detachment is the Commander of the Detachment, and units too far away from the Commander risk being routed.		*Like 40k proper, an Apocalypse army is made up of Detachments that are set up like their 40k counterparts, but now every unit in a given Detachment is activated at once. Whoever has the highest Ld in a Detachment is the Commander of the Detachment, and units too far away from the Commander risk being routed.
	**If the Commander is also a Character, they become a Warlord and generate more Command Assets.		**If the Commander is also a Character, they become a Warlord and generate more Command Assets.
	*The turn structure is made up of Phases. Each player participates in each Phase before moving to the next.		*The turn structure is made up of Phases. Each player participates in each Phase before moving to the next.
	**Armies use Alternating Activation by Detachment.		**Armies use Alternating Activation by Detachment.
	*The phases are set up like so:		*The phases are set up like so:
	**'''Initiative Phase''': Players determine who has initiative for the turn.		**'''Initiative Phase''': Players determine who has initiative for the turn.
	**'''Orders Phase''': Set up reinforcements, issue orders to Detachments, and get Command Assets.		**'''Orders Phase''': Set up reinforcements, issue orders to Detachments, and get Command Assets.
	**'''Action Phase''': Moving, shooting, and assault all happens here.		**'''Action Phase''': Moving, shooting, and assault all happens here.
	**'''Damage Phase''': Resolve damage and morale for units. Note that since this comes ''after'' the Action phase, a unit that's taken enough damage to kill them off can still do something before they go down!		**'''Damage Phase''': Resolve damage and morale for units. Note that since this comes ''after'' the Action phase, a unit that's taken enough damage to kill them off can still do something before they go down!
	*All models within a unit must end their turn within half an inch of another model in the unit, hence the movement trays.		*All models within a unit must end their turn within half an inch of another model in the unit, hence the movement trays.
	*Stats are heavily altered. Strength and Toughness are no longer inherent to the model, and damage (along with saves) is calculated differently as described further below. The Attacks stat now seems to govern the number of times a unit can shoot as well as the number of times it can make melee attacks (as opposed to 40k where the number of times a unit can shoot is based on their weapon). Weapons now have two Strength scores, one for use against infantry and another for use against vehicles and other larger units; wounding is determined by rolling against a d12, with the target score equal to the corresponding Strength equivalent. For example, a bolt rifle would need to roll a 5+ to wound an infantry unit and an 8+ to wound a tank. This speeds up the process of figuring out whether or not a hit unit has been wounded, and also makes AP obsolete as a stat.		*Stats are heavily altered. Strength and Toughness are no longer inherent to the model, and damage (along with saves) is calculated differently as described further below. The Attacks stat now seems to govern the number of times a unit can shoot as well as the number of times it can make melee attacks (as opposed to 40k where the number of times a unit can shoot is based on their weapon). Weapons now have two Strength scores, one for use against infantry and another for use against vehicles and other larger units; wounding is determined by rolling against a d12, with the target score equal to the corresponding Strength equivalent. For example, a bolt rifle would need to roll a 5+ to wound an infantry unit and an 8+ to wound a tank. This speeds up the process of figuring out whether or not a hit unit has been wounded, and also makes AP obsolete as a stat.
	**As it's generally harder for most weapons to wound vehicles than it is for them to wound infantry, this means that even normally squishy vehicles will get a boost to their survivability. However, it also appears that many anti-vehicle weapons will have an equally bad chance at wounding infantry, so armies will need to find a balance between anti-infantry and anti-vehicle firepower.		**As it's generally harder for most weapons to wound vehicles than it is for them to wound infantry, this means that even normally squishy vehicles will get a boost to their survivability. However, it also appears that many anti-vehicle weapons will have an equally bad chance at wounding infantry, so armies will need to find a balance between anti-infantry and anti-vehicle firepower.
	*Blast markers track units that have been wounded; if a unit that has received a small blast marker is wounded again in the same action phase, it becomes a large blast marker (every odd-numbered wound after that applies a new small blast marker in the same manner, and every even-numbered wound upgrades the marker). Saves (which are just one roll since AP doesn't exist in Apocalypse) vary depending on the type of marker assigned and are performed for each blast marker present; with a small marker the roll is made with a d12, while a large marker makes it a d6 instead. Units that fail a save take damage markers, and a unit is destroyed if its damage markers are at least equal to their wound count.		*Blast markers track units that have been wounded; if a unit that has received a small blast marker is wounded again in the same action phase, it becomes a large blast marker (every odd-numbered wound after that applies a new small blast marker in the same manner, and every even-numbered wound upgrades the marker). Saves (which are just one roll since AP doesn't exist in Apocalypse) vary depending on the type of marker assigned and are performed for each blast marker present; with a small marker the roll is made with a d12, while a large marker makes it a d6 instead. Units that fail a save take damage markers, and a unit is destroyed if its damage markers are at least equal to their wound count.
	**Consequently, save numbers for most units have been adjusted for the new system (E.G. MEQs now save on a 6+ instead of a 3+ and TEQs save on a 4+ instead of a 2+).		**Consequently, save numbers for most units have been adjusted for the new system (E.G. MEQs now save on a 6+ instead of a 3+ and TEQs save on a 4+ instead of a 2+).
	**Units which have a number of damage markers greater than half their wounds count are considered "critically damaged" and have their Attacks stat cut in half.		**Units which have a number of damage markers greater than half their wounds count are considered "critically damaged" and have their Attacks stat cut in half.
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	# GW [[Profit\|Profits]]		# GW [[Profit\|Profits]]

	Alternatively, get some Epic scale (6-8mm) models and play Tiny Apocalypse using half range for rough balancing. These can be found at third party companies, or if you know someone who owns a 3D printer. Adeptus Titanicus titans are great for these kinds of games, for aircraft models there's Aeronautica Imperialis.		Alternatively, get some Epic scale (6-8mm) models and play Tiny Apocalypse using half range for rough balancing. These can be found at third party companies, or if you know someone who owns a 3D printer. Adeptus Titanicus titans are great for these kinds of games, for aircraft models there's Aeronautica Imperialis.

	{{WaysToPlay40k}}		{{WaysToPlay40k}}

	[[Category:Warhammer 40,000]]		[[Category:Warhammer 40,000]]