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	That said, here are the armor saves:		That said, here are the armor saves:


	*'''7+:''' Can't even save against a stiff breeze/literally no protection at all. Found on only the likes of [[Poxwalkers\|these shambling mooks]] and other such mass-deployed models. The only way to improve this is cover. Unless you're about to charge or don't mind a few deaths, don't let your models get caught in the open.		*'''7+:''' Can't even save against a stiff breeze/literally no protection at all. Found on only the likes of [[Poxwalkers\|these shambling mooks]] and other such mass-deployed models. The only way to improve this is cover. Unless you're about to charge or don't mind a few deaths, don't let your models get caught in the open.
	*'''6+:''' A few plates here and there to stop the odd shot from killing the wearer, or leather braces to stop tiny flying rocks from [[Dark Angels\|slitting your wrists]]. Used mostly by the Orks and the Termagaunts and Hormagaunts of the Tyranids, and could just as well not be ~~there - Most~~ weapons ignore them anyways. Other units like Kroot have this paltry save not to protect them, but as a final fail safe if they somehow end up outside of a forest. Everybody will laugh at it, especially weapons that will by definition be effective against their ~~wearer - typically~~, low value / high number ~~units - like~~ flamers and grenades~~. Plus you can get better by standing in almost any cover~~. Don't count on it.		*'''6+:''' A few plates here and there to stop the odd shot from killing the wearer, the relatively tough hide of a xenos beast, or leather braces to stop tiny flying rocks from [[Dark Angels\|slitting your wrists]]. Used mostly by the Orks and the Termagaunts and Hormagaunts of the Tyranids, and could just as well not be there—most weapons ignore them anyways. Other units like Kroot have this paltry save not to protect them, but as a final fail safe if they somehow end up outside of a forest. Everybody will laugh at it, especially weapons that will by definition be effective against their wearer—typically, low value / high number units—like flamers and grenades. Don't count on it.
	*'''5+:''' What would be flak armor ~~today - Can~~ stop a normal bullet pretty reliably, but this is 40K we're talkin'. Mainly possessed by the Imperial Guard and their fuckloads of infantry, as well as Eldar Guardians. Better than 6+. but doesn't do much to save your sorry ass if something wants you dead. Treat like 6+ ~~- Better~~ save but still ignored by an unreal amount of stuff (Pulse Rifles, ~~Bolters~~, Gauss Flayers, etc). Still gives you a save against lasguns, shootas, frag grenades/missiles and multi-lasers, so marginally better than 6+ in fact.		*'''5+:''' What would be flak armor today—can stop a normal bullet pretty reliably, but this is 40K we're talkin'. Mainly possessed by the Imperial Guard and their fuckloads of infantry, as well as Eldar Guardians. Better than 6+, but doesn't do much to save your sorry ass if something wants you dead. Treat like 6+: a better save but still ignored or severely reduced by an unreal amount of stuff (Pulse Rifles, Bolt Rifles, Gauss Flayers, etc). Still gives you a ~33% save chance against lasguns, shootas, frag grenades/missiles and multi-lasers, so marginally better than 6+ in fact.
	*'''4+:''' Futuristic armour covering most of the wearers body. In other words, Carapace Armor. Usually not mechanical or technologically advanced, however. The 4+ is a save you can trust more reliably ~~- Though~~ still a toss-up, it is harder to ignore and a lot of sorta cheap troops have it, namely [[Fire Warrior\|Fire Warriors]], [[Necron]] Warriors and ~~the~~ [[Space Marine Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] among others. Protects from bolters and their non-heavy cousins, which is a great plus. Probably the most cost-efficient armour around in both fluff and crunch, as 5+ is ignored by pretty much anything, and 3+ costs too much money/points and still suffers from the abundance of low-AP weapons. There are still things that ignore them, so watch ~~out - You~~ should be safe against most other troops, however.		*'''4+:''' Futuristic armour covering most of the wearers body. In other words, Carapace Armor. Usually not mechanical or technologically advanced, however. The 4+ is a save you can trust more reliably: though still a toss-up, it is harder to ignore and a lot of sorta cheap troops have it, namely [[Fire Warrior\|Fire Warriors]], [[Necron]] Warriors, [[Stormtrooper\|Tempestus Scions]], and [[Space Marine Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]], among others. It's also where a lot of light vehicles fall. Protects from bolters and their non-heavy cousins, which is a great plus. Probably the most cost-efficient armour around in both fluff and crunch, as 5+ is ignored by pretty much anything, and 3+ costs too much money/points and still suffers from the abundance of low-AP weapons. There are still things that ignore them, so watch out—you should be safe against most other troops, however.
	*'''3+:''' [[Power Armor]] that covers the entirety of the body with technologically advanced plate of awesome. This would be the sweetest save there were, as most Marines have it and others Elites tend to have it too, like the [[Battlesuit\|Crisis Suits]] and Immortals, if there weren't so fucking many "Marine Killer" weapons around. It certainly has the best usefulness ratio as it will protect against most if not all non-vehicle-mounted or non-specialized weaponry, while the next armor ( 2+ ) will probably not fare any better against those weapons that do ignore 3+. Will defend your dudes reliably, but keep away from Plasma and anything that ends with -cannon.		*'''3+:''' [[Power Armor]] that covers the entirety of the body with technologically advanced plate of awesome, as well as most tanks. This would be the sweetest save there were, as most Marines have it and others Elites tend to have it too, like the [[Battlesuit\|Crisis Suits]] and Immortals, if there weren't so fucking many "Marine Killer" weapons around. It certainly has the best usefulness ratio as it will protect against most if not all non-vehicle-mounted or non-specialized weaponry, while the next armor (2+) will probably not fare any better against those weapons that do ignore 3+. Will defend your dudes reliably, but keep away from Plasma and anything that ends with "-cannon".
	*'''2+:''' The granddaddy of Armor Saves, this is heavy [[Power Armor]] like [[Terminator]] Armor and the armor of heavy ~~walkers~~ <span style='color:green;font-size:100%'>'''''(OR ONE [[Makari\|GROT]] WIT DA BIG BANNA)'''''</span>. Again, ~~fuckin~~' a if there are no AP 2/~~1's~~ around, but you'd be lucky to encounter that. Combined with the usually low number of troops carrying these kinds of saves, make sure you know how to keep the big guns from ~~them - Can~~ you manage that, then you are golden.		*'''2+:''' The granddaddy of Armor Saves, this is heavy [[Power Armor]] like [[Terminator]] Armor and the armor of super heavy vehicles <span style='color:green;font-size:100%'>'''''(OR ONE [[Makari\|GROT]] WIT DA BIG BANNA)'''''</span>. Again, Fuckin' A if there are no AP-3/4 weapons around, but you'd be lucky to encounter that. Perhaps in acknowledgement of this, many units with a 2+ will also have some sort of Invulnerable Save to back it up, so that those expensive Terminators you fielded will still get at least some sort of save against the comparatively dirt-cheap Weapon Specialist squad throwing Plasma at them. Combined with the usually low number of troops carrying these kinds of saves, make sure you know how to keep the big guns from them—if you can you manage that, then you are golden.

	== [[Age of Sigmar]]/[[Warhammer_40,000_8th_edition]] ==		== [[Age of Sigmar]]/[[Warhammer_40,000_8th_edition]] ==

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	Armour Saves are a mechanic from both [[Warhammer Fantasy]] and [[Warhammer 40K\|40K]], and represents the model in question's armor, as well as the durability of it. In both games, armor comes in many shades and sizes - Most standard troop armor ranges from [[Orks\|a patch of metal]] [[Kroot\|on the shoulder]] to [[Centurion Squad\|small vehicles]], but though the function and look of the armor in question can vary, they function the same in game and are performed the same. Each model has exactly one armor save, and if it wishes to defend itself against a wound, armor saves are incredibly handy—mostly because most dudes have one. [[Cover Save\|Cover Saves]] are only gained in cover or when behind someone else, and in those cases, they are still pretty weak stuff, and [[Invulnerability Save\|~~Invulnerability~~ Saves]] are even rarer, if better, as they can't be ~~passed~~ by ~~powerful weaponry~~.		Armour Saves are a mechanic from both [[Warhammer Fantasy]] and [[Warhammer 40K\|40K]], and represents the model in question's armor, as well as the durability of it. In both games, armor comes in many shades and sizes - Most standard troop armor ranges from [[Orks\|a patch of metal]] [[Kroot\|on the shoulder]] to [[Centurion Squad\|small vehicles]], but though the function and look of the armor in question can vary, they function the same in game and are performed the same. Each model has exactly one armor save, and if it wishes to defend itself against a wound, armor saves are incredibly handy—mostly because most dudes have one. [[Cover Save\|Cover Saves]] are only gained in cover or when behind someone else, and in those cases, they are still pretty weak stuff, and [[Invulnerability Save\|Invulnerable Saves]] are even rarer, if better, as they can't be bypassed by Armor Penetration.

	When throwing an Armor Save, you roll a single [[D6]] per model - If the roll exceeds the Armor Save of the model in question, the wound is discarded with no further effect, but if the roll is below, the armor failed to deflect the attack and the model takes the wound. Therefore, the lower the save, the more reliable it is.		When throwing an Armor Save, you roll a single [[D6]] per model - If the roll exceeds the Armor Save of the model in question, the wound is discarded with no further effect, but if the roll is below, the armor failed to deflect the attack and the model takes the wound. Therefore, the lower the save, the more reliable it is.

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	Armour Saves are a mechanic from both [[Warhammer Fantasy]] and [[Warhammer 40K\|40K]], and represents the model in question's armor, as well as the durability of it. In both games, armor comes in many shades and sizes - Most standard troop armor ranges from [[Orks\|a patch of metal]] [[Kroot\|on the shoulder]] to [[Centurion Squad\|small vehicles]], but though the function and look of the armor in question can vary, they function the same in game and are performed the same. Each model has exactly one armor save, and if it wishes to defend itself against a wound, armor saves are incredibly ~~handy - Mostly~~ because most dudes have one. [[Cover Save\|Cover Saves]] are only gained in cover or when behind someone else, and in those cases, they are still pretty weak stuff, and [[Invulnerability Save\|Invulnerability Saves]] are even rarer, if better, as they can't be passed by powerful weaponry.		Armour Saves are a mechanic from both [[Warhammer Fantasy]] and [[Warhammer 40K\|40K]], and represents the model in question's armor, as well as the durability of it. In both games, armor comes in many shades and sizes - Most standard troop armor ranges from [[Orks\|a patch of metal]] [[Kroot\|on the shoulder]] to [[Centurion Squad\|small vehicles]], but though the function and look of the armor in question can vary, they function the same in game and are performed the same. Each model has exactly one armor save, and if it wishes to defend itself against a wound, armor saves are incredibly handy—mostly because most dudes have one. [[Cover Save\|Cover Saves]] are only gained in cover or when behind someone else, and in those cases, they are still pretty weak stuff, and [[Invulnerability Save\|Invulnerability Saves]] are even rarer, if better, as they can't be passed by powerful weaponry.

	When throwing an Armor Save, you roll a single [[D6]] per model - If the roll exceeds the Armor Save of the model in question, the wound is discarded with no further effect, but if the roll is below, the armor failed to deflect the attack and the model takes the wound. Therefore, the lower the save, the more reliable it is.		When throwing an Armor Save, you roll a single [[D6]] per model - If the roll exceeds the Armor Save of the model in question, the wound is discarded with no further effect, but if the roll is below, the armor failed to deflect the attack and the model takes the wound. Therefore, the lower the save, the more reliable it is.

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	*'''4+:''' Futuristic armour covering most of the wearers body. In other words, Carapace Armor. Usually not mechanical or technologically advanced, however. The 4+ is a save you can trust more reliably - Though still a toss-up, it is harder to ignore and a lot of sorta cheap troops have it, namely [[Fire Warrior\|Fire Warriors]], [[Necron]] Warriors and the [[Space Marine Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] among others. Protects from bolters and their non-heavy cousins, which is a great plus. Probably the most cost-efficient armour around in both fluff and crunch, as 5+ is ignored by pretty much anything, and 3+ costs too much money/points and still suffers from the abundance of low-AP weapons. There are still things that ignore them, so watch out - You should be safe against most other troops, however.		*'''4+:''' Futuristic armour covering most of the wearers body. In other words, Carapace Armor. Usually not mechanical or technologically advanced, however. The 4+ is a save you can trust more reliably - Though still a toss-up, it is harder to ignore and a lot of sorta cheap troops have it, namely [[Fire Warrior\|Fire Warriors]], [[Necron]] Warriors and the [[Space Marine Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] among others. Protects from bolters and their non-heavy cousins, which is a great plus. Probably the most cost-efficient armour around in both fluff and crunch, as 5+ is ignored by pretty much anything, and 3+ costs too much money/points and still suffers from the abundance of low-AP weapons. There are still things that ignore them, so watch out - You should be safe against most other troops, however.
	*'''3+:''' [[Power Armor]] that covers the entirety of the body with technologically advanced plate of awesome. This would be the sweetest save there were, as most Marines have it and others Elites tend to have it too, like the [[Battlesuit\|Crisis Suits]] and Immortals, if there weren't so fucking many "Marine Killer" weapons around. It certainly has the best usefulness ratio as it will protect against most if not all non-vehicle-mounted or non-specialized weaponry, while the next armor ( 2+ ) will probably not fare any better against those weapons that do ignore 3+. Will defend your dudes reliably, but keep away from Plasma and anything that ends with -cannon.		*'''3+:''' [[Power Armor]] that covers the entirety of the body with technologically advanced plate of awesome. This would be the sweetest save there were, as most Marines have it and others Elites tend to have it too, like the [[Battlesuit\|Crisis Suits]] and Immortals, if there weren't so fucking many "Marine Killer" weapons around. It certainly has the best usefulness ratio as it will protect against most if not all non-vehicle-mounted or non-specialized weaponry, while the next armor ( 2+ ) will probably not fare any better against those weapons that do ignore 3+. Will defend your dudes reliably, but keep away from Plasma and anything that ends with -cannon.
	*'''2+:''' The granddaddy of Armor Saves, this is heavy [[Power Armor]] like [[Terminator]] Armor and the armor of heavy walkers <span style='color:green;font-size:100%'>'''''(OR ONE [[Makari\|GROT]] WIT A BIG BANNA)'''''</span>. Again, fuckin' a if there are no AP 2/1's around, but you'd be lucky to encounter that. Combined with the usually low number of troops carrying these kinds of saves, make sure you know how to keep the big guns from them - Can you manage that, then you are golden.		*'''2+:''' The granddaddy of Armor Saves, this is heavy [[Power Armor]] like [[Terminator]] Armor and the armor of heavy walkers <span style='color:green;font-size:100%'>'''''(OR ONE [[Makari\|GROT]] WIT DA BIG BANNA)'''''</span>. Again, fuckin' a if there are no AP 2/1's around, but you'd be lucky to encounter that. Combined with the usually low number of troops carrying these kinds of saves, make sure you know how to keep the big guns from them - Can you manage that, then you are golden.

	== [[Age of Sigmar]]/[[Warhammer_40,000_8th_edition]] ==		== [[Age of Sigmar]]/[[Warhammer_40,000_8th_edition]] ==

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	*'''4+:''' Futuristic armour covering most of the wearers body. In other words, Carapace Armor. Usually not mechanical or technologically advanced, however. The 4+ is a save you can trust more reliably - Though still a toss-up, it is harder to ignore and a lot of sorta cheap troops have it, namely [[Fire Warrior\|Fire Warriors]], [[Necron]] Warriors and the [[Space Marine Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] among others. Protects from bolters and their non-heavy cousins, which is a great plus. Probably the most cost-efficient armour around in both fluff and crunch, as 5+ is ignored by pretty much anything, and 3+ costs too much money/points and still suffers from the abundance of low-AP weapons. There are still things that ignore them, so watch out - You should be safe against most other troops, however.		*'''4+:''' Futuristic armour covering most of the wearers body. In other words, Carapace Armor. Usually not mechanical or technologically advanced, however. The 4+ is a save you can trust more reliably - Though still a toss-up, it is harder to ignore and a lot of sorta cheap troops have it, namely [[Fire Warrior\|Fire Warriors]], [[Necron]] Warriors and the [[Space Marine Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] among others. Protects from bolters and their non-heavy cousins, which is a great plus. Probably the most cost-efficient armour around in both fluff and crunch, as 5+ is ignored by pretty much anything, and 3+ costs too much money/points and still suffers from the abundance of low-AP weapons. There are still things that ignore them, so watch out - You should be safe against most other troops, however.
	*'''3+:''' [[Power Armor]] that covers the entirety of the body with technologically advanced plate of awesome. This would be the sweetest save there were, as most Marines have it and others Elites tend to have it too, like the [[Battlesuit\|Crisis Suits]] and Immortals, if there weren't so fucking many "Marine Killer" weapons around. It certainly has the best usefulness ratio as it will protect against most if not all non-vehicle-mounted or non-specialized weaponry, while the next armor ( 2+ ) will probably not fare any better against those weapons that do ignore 3+. Will defend your dudes reliably, but keep away from Plasma and anything that ends with -cannon.		*'''3+:''' [[Power Armor]] that covers the entirety of the body with technologically advanced plate of awesome. This would be the sweetest save there were, as most Marines have it and others Elites tend to have it too, like the [[Battlesuit\|Crisis Suits]] and Immortals, if there weren't so fucking many "Marine Killer" weapons around. It certainly has the best usefulness ratio as it will protect against most if not all non-vehicle-mounted or non-specialized weaponry, while the next armor ( 2+ ) will probably not fare any better against those weapons that do ignore 3+. Will defend your dudes reliably, but keep away from Plasma and anything that ends with -cannon.
	*'''2+:''' The granddaddy of Armor Saves, this is heavy [[Power Armor]] like [[Terminator]] Armor and the armor of heavy walkers, [[Makari\|~~or one gretchin with a really big banner~~]]. Again, fuckin' a if there are no AP 2/1's around, but you'd be lucky to encounter that. Combined with the usually low number of troops carrying these kinds of saves, make sure you know how to keep the big guns from them - Can you manage that, then you are golden.		*'''2+:''' The granddaddy of Armor Saves, this is heavy [[Power Armor]] like [[Terminator]] Armor and the armor of heavy walkers <span style='color:green;font-size:100%'>'''''(OR ONE [[Makari\|GROT]] WIT A BIG BANNA)'''''</span>. Again, fuckin' a if there are no AP 2/1's around, but you'd be lucky to encounter that. Combined with the usually low number of troops carrying these kinds of saves, make sure you know how to keep the big guns from them - Can you manage that, then you are golden.

	== [[Age of Sigmar]]/[[Warhammer_40,000_8th_edition]] ==		== [[Age of Sigmar]]/[[Warhammer_40,000_8th_edition]] ==

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	*'''4+:''' Futuristic armour covering most of the wearers body. In other words, Carapace Armor. Usually not mechanical or technologically advanced, however. The 4+ is a save you can trust more reliably - Though still a toss-up, it is harder to ignore and a lot of sorta cheap troops have it, namely [[Fire Warrior\|Fire Warriors]], [[Necron]] Warriors and the [[Space Marine Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] among others. Protects from bolters and their non-heavy cousins, which is a great plus. Probably the most cost-efficient armour around in both fluff and crunch, as 5+ is ignored by pretty much anything, and 3+ costs too much money/points and still suffers from the abundance of low-AP weapons. There are still things that ignore them, so watch out - You should be safe against most other troops, however.		*'''4+:''' Futuristic armour covering most of the wearers body. In other words, Carapace Armor. Usually not mechanical or technologically advanced, however. The 4+ is a save you can trust more reliably - Though still a toss-up, it is harder to ignore and a lot of sorta cheap troops have it, namely [[Fire Warrior\|Fire Warriors]], [[Necron]] Warriors and the [[Space Marine Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] among others. Protects from bolters and their non-heavy cousins, which is a great plus. Probably the most cost-efficient armour around in both fluff and crunch, as 5+ is ignored by pretty much anything, and 3+ costs too much money/points and still suffers from the abundance of low-AP weapons. There are still things that ignore them, so watch out - You should be safe against most other troops, however.
	*'''3+:''' [[Power Armor]] that covers the entirety of the body with technologically advanced plate of awesome. This would be the sweetest save there were, as most Marines have it and others Elites tend to have it too, like the [[Battlesuit\|Crisis Suits]] and Immortals, if there weren't so fucking many "Marine Killer" weapons around. It certainly has the best usefulness ratio as it will protect against most if not all non-vehicle-mounted or non-specialized weaponry, while the next armor ( 2+ ) will probably not fare any better against those weapons that do ignore 3+. Will defend your dudes reliably, but keep away from Plasma and anything that ends with -cannon.		*'''3+:''' [[Power Armor]] that covers the entirety of the body with technologically advanced plate of awesome. This would be the sweetest save there were, as most Marines have it and others Elites tend to have it too, like the [[Battlesuit\|Crisis Suits]] and Immortals, if there weren't so fucking many "Marine Killer" weapons around. It certainly has the best usefulness ratio as it will protect against most if not all non-vehicle-mounted or non-specialized weaponry, while the next armor ( 2+ ) will probably not fare any better against those weapons that do ignore 3+. Will defend your dudes reliably, but keep away from Plasma and anything that ends with -cannon.
	*'''2+:''' The granddaddy of Armor Saves, this is heavy [[Power Armor]] like [[Terminator]] Armor and the armor of heavy walkers; [[Makari\|or one gretchin with a really big banner]]. Again, fuckin' a if there are no AP 2/1's around, but you'd be lucky to encounter that. Combined with the usually low number of troops carrying these kinds of saves, make sure you know how to keep the big guns from them - Can you manage that, then you are golden.		*'''2+:''' The granddaddy of Armor Saves, this is heavy [[Power Armor]] like [[Terminator]] Armor and the armor of heavy walkers, [[Makari\|or one gretchin with a really big banner]]. Again, fuckin' a if there are no AP 2/1's around, but you'd be lucky to encounter that. Combined with the usually low number of troops carrying these kinds of saves, make sure you know how to keep the big guns from them - Can you manage that, then you are golden.

	== [[Age of Sigmar]]/[[Warhammer_40,000_8th_edition]] ==		== [[Age of Sigmar]]/[[Warhammer_40,000_8th_edition]] ==

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	*'''4+:''' Futuristic armour covering most of the wearers body. In other words, Carapace Armor. Usually not mechanical or technologically advanced, however. The 4+ is a save you can trust more reliably - Though still a toss-up, it is harder to ignore and a lot of sorta cheap troops have it, namely [[Fire Warrior\|Fire Warriors]], [[Necron]] Warriors and the [[Space Marine Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] among others. Protects from bolters and their non-heavy cousins, which is a great plus. Probably the most cost-efficient armour around in both fluff and crunch, as 5+ is ignored by pretty much anything, and 3+ costs too much money/points and still suffers from the abundance of low-AP weapons. There are still things that ignore them, so watch out - You should be safe against most other troops, however.		*'''4+:''' Futuristic armour covering most of the wearers body. In other words, Carapace Armor. Usually not mechanical or technologically advanced, however. The 4+ is a save you can trust more reliably - Though still a toss-up, it is harder to ignore and a lot of sorta cheap troops have it, namely [[Fire Warrior\|Fire Warriors]], [[Necron]] Warriors and the [[Space Marine Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] among others. Protects from bolters and their non-heavy cousins, which is a great plus. Probably the most cost-efficient armour around in both fluff and crunch, as 5+ is ignored by pretty much anything, and 3+ costs too much money/points and still suffers from the abundance of low-AP weapons. There are still things that ignore them, so watch out - You should be safe against most other troops, however.
	*'''3+:''' [[Power Armor]] that covers the entirety of the body with technologically advanced plate of awesome. This would be the sweetest save there were, as most Marines have it and others Elites tend to have it too, like the [[Battlesuit\|Crisis Suits]] and Immortals, if there weren't so fucking many "Marine Killer" weapons around. It certainly has the best usefulness ratio as it will protect against most if not all non-vehicle-mounted or non-specialized weaponry, while the next armor ( 2+ ) will probably not fare any better against those weapons that do ignore 3+. Will defend your dudes reliably, but keep away from Plasma and anything that ends with -cannon.		*'''3+:''' [[Power Armor]] that covers the entirety of the body with technologically advanced plate of awesome. This would be the sweetest save there were, as most Marines have it and others Elites tend to have it too, like the [[Battlesuit\|Crisis Suits]] and Immortals, if there weren't so fucking many "Marine Killer" weapons around. It certainly has the best usefulness ratio as it will protect against most if not all non-vehicle-mounted or non-specialized weaponry, while the next armor ( 2+ ) will probably not fare any better against those weapons that do ignore 3+. Will defend your dudes reliably, but keep away from Plasma and anything that ends with -cannon.
	*'''2+:''' The granddaddy of Armor Saves, this is heavy [[Power Armor]] like [[Terminator]] Armor and the armor of heavy walkers. Again, fuckin' a if there are no AP 2/1's around, but you'd be lucky to encounter that. Combined with the usually low number of troops carrying these kinds of saves, make sure you know how to keep the big guns from them - Can you manage that, then you are golden.		*'''2+:''' The granddaddy of Armor Saves, this is heavy [[Power Armor]] like [[Terminator]] Armor and the armor of heavy walkers; [[Makari\|or one gretchin with a really big banner]]. Again, fuckin' a if there are no AP 2/1's around, but you'd be lucky to encounter that. Combined with the usually low number of troops carrying these kinds of saves, make sure you know how to keep the big guns from them - Can you manage that, then you are golden.

	== [[Age of Sigmar]]/[[Warhammer_40,000_8th_edition]] ==		== [[Age of Sigmar]]/[[Warhammer_40,000_8th_edition]] ==

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	*''7+:''' Can't even save against a stiff breeze/literally no protection at all. Found on only the likes of [[Poxwalkers\|these shambling mooks]] and other such mass-deployed models. The only way to improve this is cover. Unless you're about to charge or don't mind a few deaths, don't let your models get caught in the open.		*'''7+:''' Can't even save against a stiff breeze/literally no protection at all. Found on only the likes of [[Poxwalkers\|these shambling mooks]] and other such mass-deployed models. The only way to improve this is cover. Unless you're about to charge or don't mind a few deaths, don't let your models get caught in the open.
	*'''6+:''' A few plates here and there to stop the odd shot from killing the wearer, or leather braces to stop tiny flying rocks from [[Dark Angels\|slitting your wrists]]. Used mostly by the Orks and the Termagaunts and Hormagaunts of the Tyranids, and could just as well not be there - Most weapons ignore them anyways. Other units like Kroot have this paltry save not to protect them, but as a final fail safe if they somehow end up outside of a forest. Everybody will laugh at it, especially weapons that will by definition be effective against their wearer - typically, low value / high number units - like flamers and grenades. Plus you can get better by standing in almost any cover. Don't count on it.		*'''6+:''' A few plates here and there to stop the odd shot from killing the wearer, or leather braces to stop tiny flying rocks from [[Dark Angels\|slitting your wrists]]. Used mostly by the Orks and the Termagaunts and Hormagaunts of the Tyranids, and could just as well not be there - Most weapons ignore them anyways. Other units like Kroot have this paltry save not to protect them, but as a final fail safe if they somehow end up outside of a forest. Everybody will laugh at it, especially weapons that will by definition be effective against their wearer - typically, low value / high number units - like flamers and grenades. Plus you can get better by standing in almost any cover. Don't count on it.
	*'''5+:''' What would be flak armor today - Can stop a normal bullet pretty reliably, but this is 40K we're talkin'. Mainly possessed by the Imperial Guard and their fuckloads of infantry, as well as Eldar Guardians. Better than 6+. but doesn't do much to save your sorry ass if something wants you dead. Treat like 6+ - Better save but still ignored by an unreal amount of stuff (Pulse Rifles, Bolters, Gauss Flayers, etc). Still gives you a save against lasguns, shootas, frag grenades/missiles and multi-lasers, so marginally better than 6+ in fact.		*'''5+:''' What would be flak armor today - Can stop a normal bullet pretty reliably, but this is 40K we're talkin'. Mainly possessed by the Imperial Guard and their fuckloads of infantry, as well as Eldar Guardians. Better than 6+. but doesn't do much to save your sorry ass if something wants you dead. Treat like 6+ - Better save but still ignored by an unreal amount of stuff (Pulse Rifles, Bolters, Gauss Flayers, etc). Still gives you a save against lasguns, shootas, frag grenades/missiles and multi-lasers, so marginally better than 6+ in fact.

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			*''7+:''' Can't even save against a stiff breeze/literally no protection at all. Found on only the likes of [[Poxwalkers\|these shambling mooks]] and other such mass-deployed models. The only way to improve this is cover. Unless you're about to charge or don't mind a few deaths, don't let your models get caught in the open.
	*'''6+:''' A few plates here and there to stop the odd shot from killing the wearer, or leather braces to stop tiny flying rocks from [[Dark Angels\|slitting your wrists]]. Used mostly by the Orks and the Termagaunts and Hormagaunts of the Tyranids, and could just as well not be there - Most weapons ignore them anyways. Other units like Kroot have this paltry save not to protect them, but as a final fail safe if they somehow end up outside of a forest. Everybody will laugh at it, especially weapons that will by definition be effective against their wearer - typically, low value / high number units - like flamers and grenades. Plus you can get better by standing in almost any cover. Don't count on it.		*'''6+:''' A few plates here and there to stop the odd shot from killing the wearer, or leather braces to stop tiny flying rocks from [[Dark Angels\|slitting your wrists]]. Used mostly by the Orks and the Termagaunts and Hormagaunts of the Tyranids, and could just as well not be there - Most weapons ignore them anyways. Other units like Kroot have this paltry save not to protect them, but as a final fail safe if they somehow end up outside of a forest. Everybody will laugh at it, especially weapons that will by definition be effective against their wearer - typically, low value / high number units - like flamers and grenades. Plus you can get better by standing in almost any cover. Don't count on it.
	*'''5+:''' What would be flak armor today - Can stop a normal bullet pretty reliably, but this is 40K we're talkin'. Mainly possessed by the Imperial Guard and their fuckloads of infantry, as well as Eldar Guardians. Better than 6+. but doesn't do much to save your sorry ass if something wants you dead. Treat like 6+ - Better save but still ignored by an unreal amount of stuff (Pulse Rifles, Bolters, Gauss Flayers, etc). Still gives you a save against lasguns, shootas, frag grenades/missiles and multi-lasers, so marginally better than 6+ in fact.		*'''5+:''' What would be flak armor today - Can stop a normal bullet pretty reliably, but this is 40K we're talkin'. Mainly possessed by the Imperial Guard and their fuckloads of infantry, as well as Eldar Guardians. Better than 6+. but doesn't do much to save your sorry ass if something wants you dead. Treat like 6+ - Better save but still ignored by an unreal amount of stuff (Pulse Rifles, Bolters, Gauss Flayers, etc). Still gives you a save against lasguns, shootas, frag grenades/missiles and multi-lasers, so marginally better than 6+ in fact.