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	Have you ever wondered what would happen if Moloc went back in time to take his anger out on the Legion champions of old? No? Well here are those match ups anyway. These scenarios aren't really relevant to the current 40k meta or the current HH rules, but you could still theoretically use him in games of HH1 (if your opponent allowed you to use the 7th edition Space Marine Codex and Imperial armours for fun).		Have you ever wondered what would happen if Moloc went back in time to take his anger out on the Legion champions of old? No? Well here are those match ups anyway. These scenarios aren't really relevant to the current 40k meta or the current HH rules, but you could still theoretically use him in games of HH1 (if your opponent allowed you to use the 7th edition Space Marine Codex and Imperial armours for fun).
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	Some rules of combat before we get started.<br>		Some rules of combat before we get started.<br>
	1) These match ups are simulated using the HH1 Age of Darkness rule book over the 7th edition rule book as it's newest version of rules that 7th edition Moloc is compatible with and it is the rules set all his opponent uses.<br>		1) These match ups are simulated using the HH1 Age of Darkness rule book over the 7th edition rule book as it's newest version of rules that 7th edition Moloc is compatible with and it is the rules set all his opponent uses.<br>
	2) Molocs Preferred Enemy (Space Marines) will be in effect for every fight as it's limitation states that it doesn't apply to Space marines from a Chaos army list or codex, and all the Space marines Moloc is facing here are from Legion army lists, meaning he should get Preferred enemy against them (also what's the point in these match ups if you don't go all out?)<br>		2) Molocs Preferred Enemy (Space Marines) will be in effect for every fight as it's limitation states that it doesn't apply to Space marines from a Chaos army list or codex, and all the Space marines Moloc is facing here are from Legion army lists, meaning he should get Preferred enemy against them (also what's the point in these match ups if you don't go all out?)<br>
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	==8th Edition==		==8th Edition==
	Lord Moloc is still a beast in 8th Edition. A beefy statline paired with the altered Black Spear (S+2 AP-3 D3, +1 Attack against characters) means that while he's less likely to cause individual wounds, once he hits something it STAYS hit. The Black Spear's shooting attack is now a 12" S8 AP-2 Dd3 trick that he can use as a regular attack, so make sure to get some zaps in. He also has some new auras: he gets the standard [[Chapter Master]] aura where all units (not just infantry) within 6" of him get to re-roll failed to hit rolls (this includes himself) and Minotaurs Infantry units get to re-roll failed Charge rolls (so the guy is fast as well), Moloc himself gets to make his attacks when he's slain in combat in case he dies before attacking and on top of all that he can teleport in like a a regular Terminator as well. All in all Moloc is less the death machine on legs that he used to be, but he still has a good shot at murdering dead anyone who gets in his way.		Lord Moloc is still a beast in 8th Edition. A beefy statline paired with the altered Black Spear (S+2 AP-3 D3, +1 Attack against characters) means that while he's less likely to cause individual wounds, once he hits something it STAYS hit. The Black Spear's shooting attack is now a 12" S8 AP-2 Dd3 trick that he can use as a regular attack, so make sure to get some zaps in. He also has some new auras: he gets the standard [[Chapter Master]] aura where all units (not just infantry) within 6" of him get to re-roll failed to hit rolls (this includes himself) and Minotaurs Infantry units get to re-roll failed Charge rolls (so the guy is fast as well), Moloc himself gets to make his attacks when he's slain in combat in case he dies before attacking and on top of all that he can teleport in like a a regular Terminator as well. All in all Moloc is less the death machine on legs that he used to be, but he still has a good shot at murdering dead anyone who gets in his way. If you want some extra FUN give him The Imperium Sword warlord trait, so that when charging he can mulch through T7 targets. Then proclaim thyself as a White Scars successor (because Great White Bull ftw!). Alternatively, an extra D3 attacks the turn he charges (Chogorian Storm) will surely make the enemy cower in fear.
	If you want some extra FUN give him The Imperium Sword warlord trait, so that when charging he can mulch through T7 targets. Then proclaim thyself as a White Scars successor (because Great White Bull ftw!)
	Alternatively, an extra D3 attacks the turn he charges (Chogorian Storm) will surely make the enemy cower in fear.
	Or you can go for Monster slayer, because +1 to rolls against Monsters and Vehicles will let him RIP&TEAR through tanks.		Or you can go for Monster slayer, because +1 to rolls against Monsters and Vehicles will let him RIP&TEAR through tanks.

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	'''Asterion Moloc''' is the [[Chapter Master]] of the [[Minotaurs]] and one hardass motherfucker.		'''Asterion Moloc''' is the [[Chapter Master]] of the [[Minotaurs]] and one hardass motherfucker.

	Lord Asterion Moloc (how he wishes to be called) takes an almost perverse glee in [[/d/\|stabbing dudes in the face with the Black Spear]], a weapon that may or may not be based on an [[Adeptus Custodes]] halberd. And instead of having a [[bolter]] strapped to the underside it has a built-in laser to vaporize dudes. Lord Moloc himself is a huge dude riddled with cybernetic augmentation that allows him to ignore even more wounds than he already could with his simmering rage. Despite him often being on the battlefield alongside his [[Terminators]] stabbing dudes in the face, he has a ruthless mind for warfare, siegecraft, logistics and strategy. Lord Moloc's preferred enemy is fellow Space Marines, and he has become frighteningly efficient at fighting them. The large amount of high-end equipment used by the Minotaurs combined with them almost always deploying at full Chapter strength means that the Minotaurs have a good shot at kicking heretic ass, as the [[Lamenters]] and [[Inceptors]] can attest. Because of the full deployment Lord Moloc is always in charge of the Chapter in entirety, meaning that in battle his [[Brother-Captain\|captains]] are little more than his seconds.		Lord Asterion Moloc (how he wishes to be called) takes an almost perverse glee in [[/d/\|stabbing dudes in the face with the Black Spear]], a weapon that may or may not be based on an [[Adeptus Custodes]] halberd. And instead of having a [[bolter]] strapped to the underside it has a built-in laser to vaporize dudes. Lord Moloc himself is a huge dude riddled with cybernetic augmentation that allows him to ignore even more wounds than he already could with his simmering rage. Despite him often being on the battlefield alongside his [[Terminators]] stabbing dudes in the face, he has a ruthless mind for warfare, siegecraft, logistics and strategy. Lord Moloc's preferred enemy is fellow Space Marines, and he has become frighteningly efficient at fighting them. The large amount of high-end equipment used by the Minotaurs combined with them almost always deploying at full Chapter strength means that the Minotaurs have a good shot at kicking heretic ass, as the [[Lamenters]] and [[Inceptors]] can attest. Because of the full deployment Lord Moloc is always in charge of the Chapter in entirety, meaning that in battle his [[Brother-Captain\|captains]] are little more than his seconds.

	His first name is the true name of the [[Minotaur]] of Greek [[Mythology]]. His last name comes from Moloch, a Canaanite god of war mentioned in the Bible who is often depicted as a bull-headed demon.		His first name is the true name of the [[Minotaur]] of Greek [[Mythology]]. His last name comes from Moloch, a Canaanite god of war mentioned in the Bible who is often depicted as a bull-headed demon.
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	*His gene-seed was somehow modified to grant him greater regenerative capabilities.		*His gene-seed was somehow modified to grant him greater regenerative capabilities.
	*He is secretly another [[Perpetual]], in that he literally will come [[Yarrick\|back from the dead]] if killed.		*He is secretly another [[Perpetual]], in that he literally will come [[Yarrick\|back from the dead]] if killed.
	*He's a [[Custodes]] in disguise (see talk page for the full original theory).		*He's a [[Custodes]] in disguise (see talk page for the full original theory).
	*He is a prototype [[Primaris Marine]].		*He is a prototype [[Primaris Marine]].
	*He is [[Thunder Warriors\|Arik Tarranis]]. Seems unlikely as all Thunder Warriors should be dead at this point, but honestly, who knows?		*He is [[Thunder Warriors\|Arik Tarranis]]. Seems unlikely as all Thunder Warriors should be dead at this point, but honestly, who knows?
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	**Corswain wins.		**Corswain wins.
	**Corswains 3++ invuln in melee and 4 wounds means he equals Moloc in survivability and his higher weapon skill and master crafted, wounding on 2+ sword means he out does him in damage.		**Corswains 3++ invuln in melee and 4 wounds means he equals Moloc in survivability and his higher weapon skill and master crafted, wounding on 2+ sword means he out does him in damage.
	**Do note that even though Moloc loses the duel, there is nothing stopping him from dropping an orbital strike on Corswain and killing him instantly, thus winning the fight. Because to Moloc all that matters is your enemies dead and it was the Minotaurs that killed them.		**Do note that even though Moloc loses the duel, there is nothing stopping him from dropping an orbital strike on Corswain and killing him instantly, thus winning the fight. Because to Moloc all that matters is your enemies dead and it was the Minotaurs that killed them.

	*Moloc vs Eidolon		*Moloc vs Eidolon
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	**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.268 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves		**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.268 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves
	**Moloc wins.		**Moloc wins.
	**Even though Qin has more attacks his weapon is unwieldy meaning Moloc brings him down first. Even if Qin uses the "Part the Horses' mane" method (S+1) rather than "split the mountain" method (S+3, unwieldy), he doesn't do enough damage to win, as it will take him 6 turns to kill Moloc, when he will be dead on turn 4.		**Even though Qin has more attacks his weapon is unwieldy meaning Moloc brings him down first. Even if Qin uses the "Part the Horses' mane" method (S+1) rather than "split the mountain" method (S+3, unwieldy), he doesn't do enough damage to win, as it will take him 6 turns to kill Moloc, when he will be dead on turn 4.

	*Moloc vs Hvarl Red-Blade		*Moloc vs Hvarl Red-Blade
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	**Hvarl and Moloc are identical in stats, and their weapons are almost identical as well (both are ap2, S6), hell they both get preferred enemy. The deciding factor is yet again Molocs 3++ invuln save, meaning he takes less damage than Fat Bastard and wins the fight.		**Hvarl and Moloc are identical in stats, and their weapons are almost identical as well (both are ap2, S6), hell they both get preferred enemy. The deciding factor is yet again Molocs 3++ invuln save, meaning he takes less damage than Fat Bastard and wins the fight.

	*Moloc vs Sigismund		*Moloc vs Sigismund
	**Sigismund attacks 4 times, hits 3.111 times, wounds 2.593 times, causing 1.152 wounds after saves (after Sigismund forces Moloc to re-roll his successful invuln saves)		**Sigismund attacks 4 times, hits 3.111 times, wounds 2.593 times, causing 1.152 wounds after saves (after Sigismund forces Moloc to re-roll his successful invuln saves)
	**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.333 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.		**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.333 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.
	**They Draw.		**They Draw.
	**In the upset of the millennium Sigismund almost always draws a duel rather than flat out wins it, as both are equal in most areas with it taking 4 turns for both of them to kill the other. Each of them has small advantages that the other more or less negates, Sigismunds higher WS and invuln re-roll gives him a higher damage output but Moloc has a better invuln save and even though they both have Eternal Warrior, only Moloc benefits from having it in this fight as it cancels out the Instant Death from Sigismunds attacks. Since they both have I5 they will mutually kill each other on turn 4.		**In the upset of the millennium Sigismund almost always draws a duel rather than flat out wins it, as both are equal in most areas with it taking 4 turns for both of them to kill the other. Each of them has small advantages that the other more or less negates, Sigismunds higher WS and invuln re-roll gives him a higher damage output but Moloc has a better invuln save and even though they both have Eternal Warrior, only Moloc benefits from having it in this fight as it cancels out the Instant Death from Sigismunds attacks. Since they both have I5 they will mutually kill each other on turn 4.

	*Moloc vs Sevetar		*Moloc vs Sevetar
	**Sevetar attacks 4 times, hits 3.334 times (because of master-crafted), wounds 2.223 times, causing 0.742 wounds after saves		**Sevetar attacks 4 times, hits 3.334 times (because of master-crafted), wounds 2.223 times, causing 0.742 wounds after saves
	**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.668 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.		**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.668 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.
	**Moloc wins.		**Moloc wins.
	**Despite his lower weapon skill and initiative, Molocs 4 wounds, 3++ invuln and wounding on 2+ spear means he out lasts Sevetar, and Eternal Warrior negates Sevetars Dirty fighter rule. It should be noted that even if Sevetar can cast precognition he only marginally out damages Moloc and would still lose the war of attrition due to the fact that Moloc has an extra wound on Sevetar and takes one turn longer to put down.		**Despite his lower weapon skill and initiative, Molocs 4 wounds, 3++ invuln and wounding on 2+ spear means he out lasts Sevetar, and Eternal Warrior negates Sevetars Dirty fighter rule. It should be noted that even if Sevetar can cast precognition he only marginally out damages Moloc and would still lose the war of attrition due to the fact that Moloc has an extra wound on Sevetar and takes one turn longer to put down.

	*Moloc vs Raldoron		*Moloc vs Raldoron
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	**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.668 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.		**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.668 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.
	**Moloc wins.		**Moloc wins.
	**Thanks to his master-crafted shredding sword, Raldoron is able to put up a decent fight but still fails to do enough damage to beat Molocs 4 wounds and 3++.		**Thanks to his master-crafted shredding sword, Raldoron is able to put up a decent fight but still fails to do enough damage to beat Molocs 4 wounds and 3++.

	*Moloc vs Autek Mor		*Moloc vs Autek Mor
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	**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 1.815 times, causing 0.907 wounds after saves.		**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 1.815 times, causing 0.907 wounds after saves.
	**Moloc wins		**Moloc wins
	**Even though Autek has a Strength and Toughness of 5, he still looses the damage race against Moloc, due to Moloc having his 3++ invuln and 4 wounds.		**Even though Autek has a Strength and Toughness of 5, he still looses the damage race against Moloc, due to Moloc having his 3++ invuln and 4 wounds.

	*Moloc vs Kharn		*Moloc vs Kharn
	**Kharn attacks 5/6/7 times, hits 3.333/4/4.667 times, wounds 2.222/2667/3.111 times, causing 0.741/0.889/1.037 wounds after saves		**Kharn attacks 5/6/7 times, hits 3.333/4/4.667 times, wounds 2.222/2667/3.111 times, causing 0.741/0.889/1.037 wounds after saves
	**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.668 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.		**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.668 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.
	**Moloc wins.		**Moloc wins.
	**Even though Kharn gets rampage against Moloc (because Moloc is bulky which technically means Kharn is outnumbered), it takes Kharn an average of 5 turns to kill Moloc, but it takes Moloc 3 turns to put down Kharn.		**Even though Kharn gets rampage against Moloc (because Moloc is bulky which technically means Kharn is outnumbered), it takes Kharn an average of 5 turns to kill Moloc, but it takes Moloc 3 turns to put down Kharn.
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	**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 3.111 times, wounds 3.025 times, causing 1.512 wounds after saves		**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 3.111 times, wounds 3.025 times, causing 1.512 wounds after saves
	**Moloc wins.		**Moloc wins.
	**This isn't a fight, it's one sided butchery. Remus is designed for support, not combat so stands no chance against Molocs onslaught.		**This isn't a fight, it's one sided butchery. Remus is designed for support, not combat so stands no chance against Molocs onslaught.

	*Moloc vs Typhon		*Moloc vs Typhon
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	**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 3.111 times, wounds 3.025 times, causing 1.512 wounds after saves.		**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 3.111 times, wounds 3.025 times, causing 1.512 wounds after saves.
	**Moloc wins.		**Moloc wins.
	**Moloc steamrolls over Erebus, which is not surprising since Erebus is more of a support character and is stuck with an ap4 power maul, which will constantly bounce off Molocs 2+ save. Erebus does have access to some psychic powers like Iron Arm and Enfeeble, but these only slightly hinder Moloc and don't effect the out come of the fight.		**Moloc steamrolls over Erebus, which is not surprising since Erebus is more of a support character and is stuck with an ap4 power maul, which will constantly bounce off Molocs 2+ save. Erebus does have access to some psychic powers like Iron Arm and Enfeeble, but these only slightly hinder Moloc and don't effect the out come of the fight.

	*Moloc vs Nomus Rhy’tan		*Moloc vs Nomus Rhy’tan

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On the Tabletop

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	Asterion Moloc is also a grade A++ character hunter able to kill Lysander, Calgar, Draigo, and Mephiston easily, and have a fair crack at Abbadon and the Swarmlord. In other words just about anyone short of a Black Mace Daemon Prince or [[Chapter Master Smashfucker\|Smashfucker]] had better ~~get on their knees and start sucking~~ when Moloc ~~start~~ rolling in. Don't think you can win a challenge against him, he will rip off any balls of adamantium you think you have and force feed them to you, and get victory points for doing it. If you're running a Minotaurs army and ''do not'' take Moloc as your Warlord consider yourself an official retard in the eyes of [[/tg/]]. Enclosed in this section is how Asterion Moloc fares against all other named Chapter Masters (or their closest equivalents), since he's basically tailor made to kill them. [https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Asterion-Moloc-and-Ivanus-Enkomi-of-the-Minotaurs His model is also fucking awesome]		Asterion Moloc is also a grade A++ character hunter able to kill Lysander, Calgar, Draigo, and Mephiston easily, and have a fair crack at Abbadon and the Swarmlord. In other words just about anyone short of a Black Mace Daemon Prince or [[Chapter Master Smashfucker\|Smashfucker]] had better quit when Moloc starts rolling in. Don't think you can win a challenge against him, he will rip off any balls of adamantium you think you have and force feed them to you, and get victory points for doing it. If you're running a Minotaurs army and ''do not'' take Moloc as your Warlord consider yourself an official retard in the eyes of [[/tg/]]. Enclosed in this section is how Asterion Moloc fares against all other named Chapter Masters (or their closest equivalents), since he's basically tailor made to kill them. [https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Asterion-Moloc-and-Ivanus-Enkomi-of-the-Minotaurs His model is also fucking awesome]

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1d4chan>SabbatMartyr: /* Moloc fights 30k */

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Moloc fights 30k

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	===Moloc fights 30k===		===Moloc fights 30k===
	Have you ever wondered what would happen if Moloc went back in time to take his anger out on the Legion champions of old? No? Well here are those match ups anyway. These scenarios aren't really relevant to the current 40k meta or ~~table top~~, but you could still theoretically use him in games of ~~30k~~ (if your opponent allowed you to use the 7th edition Space Marine Codex and Imperial armours for fun).		Have you ever wondered what would happen if Moloc went back in time to take his anger out on the Legion champions of old? No? Well here are those match ups anyway. These scenarios aren't really relevant to the current 40k meta or the current HH rules, but you could still theoretically use him in games of HH1 (if your opponent allowed you to use the 7th edition Space Marine Codex and Imperial armours for fun).
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	Some rules of combat before we get started.<br>		Some rules of combat before we get started.<br>
	1) These match ups are simulated using the Age of Darkness rule book over the 7th edition rule book as it's newest version of rules that 7th edition Moloc is compatible with and it is the rules set all his opponent uses.<br>		1) These match ups are simulated using the HH1 Age of Darkness rule book over the 7th edition rule book as it's newest version of rules that 7th edition Moloc is compatible with and it is the rules set all his opponent uses.<br>
	2) Molocs Preferred Enemy (Space Marines) will be in effect for every fight as it's limitation states that it doesn't apply to Space marines from a Chaos army list or codex, and all the Space marines Moloc is facing here are from Legion army lists, meaning he should get Preferred enemy against them (also what's the point in these match ups if you don't go all out?)<br>		2) Molocs Preferred Enemy (Space Marines) will be in effect for every fight as it's limitation states that it doesn't apply to Space marines from a Chaos army list or codex, and all the Space marines Moloc is facing here are from Legion army lists, meaning he should get Preferred enemy against them (also what's the point in these match ups if you don't go all out?)<br>
	3) All characters will be treated like they are the armies Warlord if they can be, since it sometimes gives them special rules which can determine how fights go and as stated before, the fights are more interesting when both combatants are giving their all.<br>		3) All characters will be treated like they are the armies Warlord if they can be, since it sometimes gives them special rules which can determine how fights go and as stated before, the fights are more interesting when both combatants are giving their all.<br>
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	*[[TL;DR]] During the time of legendary warriors and mighty heroes, Moloc handily puts his foot up the arse of almost every non-primarch characters, with the two exceptions being the loss to [[Corswain]] and draw against [[Sigismund]]. What's more interesting is how even with relatively simple rules Moloc is still able to trounce most of the legions greatest, especially when you remember that ap2 at initiative, instant death and stronger weaponry are far more common and available in 30k over 40k where Molocs kill grounds are, and how much a 3++ invulnerable save, eternal warrior and 4 wounds will swing fights massively in one combatants favour.		*[[TL;DR]] During the time of legendary warriors and mighty heroes, Moloc handily puts his foot up the arse of almost every non-primarch characters, with the two exceptions being the loss to [[Corswain]] and draw against [[Sigismund]]. What's more interesting is how even with relatively simple rules Moloc is still able to trounce most of the legions greatest, especially when you remember that ap2 at initiative, instant death and stronger weaponry are far more common and available in 30k over 40k where Molocs kill grounds are, and how much a 3++ invulnerable save, eternal warrior and 4 wounds will swing fights massively in one combatants favour.
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	==8th Edition==		==8th Edition==
	Lord Moloc is still a beast in 8th Edition. A beefy statline paired with the altered Black Spear (S+2 AP-3 D3, +1 Attack against characters) means that while he's less likely to cause individual wounds, once he hits something it STAYS hit. The Black Spear's shooting attack is now a 12" S8 AP-2 Dd3 trick that he can use as a regular attack, so make sure to get some zaps in. He also has some new auras: he gets the standard [[Chapter Master]] aura where all units (not just infantry) within 6" of him get to re-roll failed to hit rolls (this includes himself) and Minotaurs Infantry units get to re-roll failed Charge rolls (so the guy is fast as well), Moloc himself gets to make his attacks when he's slain in combat in case he dies before attacking and on top of all that he can teleport in like a a regular Terminator as well. All in all Moloc is less the death machine on legs that he used to be, but he still has a good shot at murdering dead anyone who gets in his way.		Lord Moloc is still a beast in 8th Edition. A beefy statline paired with the altered Black Spear (S+2 AP-3 D3, +1 Attack against characters) means that while he's less likely to cause individual wounds, once he hits something it STAYS hit. The Black Spear's shooting attack is now a 12" S8 AP-2 Dd3 trick that he can use as a regular attack, so make sure to get some zaps in. He also has some new auras: he gets the standard [[Chapter Master]] aura where all units (not just infantry) within 6" of him get to re-roll failed to hit rolls (this includes himself) and Minotaurs Infantry units get to re-roll failed Charge rolls (so the guy is fast as well), Moloc himself gets to make his attacks when he's slain in combat in case he dies before attacking and on top of all that he can teleport in like a a regular Terminator as well. All in all Moloc is less the death machine on legs that he used to be, but he still has a good shot at murdering dead anyone who gets in his way.

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	Some of the possible explanations for this (barring "Forge World gave him lots of [[plot armor]]", obviously) are as follows:		Some of the possible explanations for this (barring "Forge World gave him lots of [[plot armor]]", obviously) are as follows:
	*[[Phoenix Lord\|His name and equipment are inherited by the next Chapter Master, alongside his personality through way of engrammatically-enforced memories and personality]] (the Proteus Protocol). Brought up by the IA books (specifically on Moloc's character page) and supported by Eadwin Brown, who helped developed Moloc's character.		*[[Phoenix Lord\|His name and equipment are inherited by the next Chapter Master, alongside his personality through way of engrammatically-enforced memories and personality]] (the Proteus Protocol). Brought up by the IA books (specifically on Moloc's character page) and supported by Eadwin Brown, who helped developed Moloc's character.
	*He kept himself from dying through sheer force of will, because he's just that much of a spiteful cunt.		*[[Lord Kroak\|He kept himself from dying through sheer force of will]], because he's just that much of a spiteful cunt.
	*He is embedded with a nonsensically [[Colonel_"Iron_Hand"_Straken\|large amount of cybernetics]] [[Iron Hands\|to the point]] [[Adeptus Mechanicus\|where there isn't enough fleshy bits left for him to "die."]]		*He is embedded with a nonsensically [[Colonel_"Iron_Hand"_Straken\|large amount of cybernetics]] [[Iron Hands\|to the point]] [[Adeptus Mechanicus\|where there isn't enough fleshy bits left for him to "die."]]
	*His gene-seed was somehow modified to grant him greater regenerative capabilities.		*His gene-seed was somehow modified to grant him greater regenerative capabilities.

70.95.94.136: Added another theory that is popular online.

2022-05-10T06:23:44Z

Added another theory that is popular online.

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	*His gene-seed was somehow modified to grant him greater regenerative capabilities.		*His gene-seed was somehow modified to grant him greater regenerative capabilities.
	*He is secretly another [[Perpetual]], in that he literally will come [[Yarrick\|back from the dead]] if killed.		*He is secretly another [[Perpetual]], in that he literally will come [[Yarrick\|back from the dead]] if killed.
	*He's a Custodes in disguise (see talk page for the full original theory).		*He's a [[Custodes]] in disguise (see talk page for the full original theory).
	*He is a prototype [[Primaris Marine]].		*He is a prototype [[Primaris Marine]].
			*He is [[Thunder Warriors\|Arik Tarranis]]. Seems unlikely as all Thunder Warriors should be dead at this point, but honestly, who knows?

	According to another leak by Eadwin Brown, he may actually be a Great Crusade-era Iron Warrior named Captain Metallos Morax* of the 103rd Company, 33rd Grand Battalion (the battalion's Siege Assault Vanguard, which happens to be the Minotaur's primary tactical specialization). Morax was demoted and exiled (giving him reason to turn against Perturabo) for "unnecessary aggression" and leading a reckless charge into the enemy to '''''RIP & TEAR''''' (Moloc's favorite tactic). He was also publicly shamed infront of both the Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists, giving him reason to change his name, tho still keeping his associated mythical beasts (Morax is the name of a minotaur demon of hell).		According to another leak by Eadwin Brown, he may actually be a Great Crusade-era Iron Warrior named Captain Metallos Morax* of the 103rd Company, 33rd Grand Battalion (the battalion's Siege Assault Vanguard, which happens to be the Minotaur's primary tactical specialization). Morax was demoted and exiled (giving him reason to turn against Perturabo) for "unnecessary aggression" and leading a reckless charge into the enemy to '''''RIP & TEAR''''' (Moloc's favorite tactic). He was also publicly shamed infront of both the Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists, giving him reason to change his name, tho still keeping his associated mythical beasts (Morax is the name of a minotaur demon of hell).

1d4chan>Unification at 09:46, 25 October 2021

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	=~~==8th Edition===~~		===Moloc fights 30k===
	Lord Moloc is still a beast in 8th Edition. A beefy statline paired with the altered Black Spear (S+2 AP-3 D3, +1 Attack against characters) means that while he's less likely to cause individual wounds, once he hits something it STAYS hit. The Black Spear's shooting attack is now a 12" S8 AP-2 Dd3 trick that he can use as a regular attack, so make sure to get some zaps in. He also has some new auras: he gets the standard [[Chapter Master]] aura where all units (not just infantry) within 6" of him get to re-roll failed to hit rolls (this includes himself) and Minotaurs Infantry units get to re-roll failed Charge rolls (so the guy is fast as well), Moloc himself gets to make his attacks when he's slain in combat in case he dies before attacking and on top of all that he can teleport in like a a regular Terminator as well. All in all Moloc is less the death machine on legs that he used to be, but he still has a good shot at murdering dead anyone who gets in his way.
	If you want some extra FUN give him The Imperium Sword warlord trait, so that when charging he can mulch through T7 targets. Then proclaim thyself as a White Scars successor (because Great White Bull ftw!)
	~~Alternatively, an extra D3 attacks the turn he charges (Chogorian Storm) will surely make the enemy cower in fear.~~
	~~Or you can go for Monster slayer, because +1 to rolls against Monsters and Vehicles will let him RIP&TEAR through tanks.~~

	~~===9th Edition===~~
	In 9th he's both been buffed and toned down. His weapon now does a flat 3 for both shooting and melee and both have ap-3. But he has lost his 3++ Invulnerable save, and is stuck with a 4++ and a relic shield (4++ against mortal wounds) meaning he is less tanky and survivable against regular damage. But the most damning thing (and a problem he shares with everyone in the IA compedium) is that he is FORCED to take inspiring leader as his warlord trait, even though from a lore perspective this make next to no sense (moloc does not inspire, in fact he's so scary fellow Imperial forces try to avoid him and the chapter. What Moloc does is {{BLAM\|KILL}}, and he is very good at it). These relatively mediocre and misguided rules are partly changes 9th edition did (like storm shields not giving 3++ any more) but primarily because the IA compendium is a fucking shit show of bland and lazy rule writing, and you are honestly better taking his 8th edition rules, or homebrewing your own.

	==Moloc fights 30k==
	Have you ever wondered what would happen if Moloc went back in time to take his anger out on the Legion champions of old? No? Well here are those match ups anyway. These scenarios aren't really relevant to the current 40k meta or table top, but you could still theoretically use him in games of 30k (if your opponent allowed you to use the 7th edition Space Marine Codex and Imperial armours for fun).		Have you ever wondered what would happen if Moloc went back in time to take his anger out on the Legion champions of old? No? Well here are those match ups anyway. These scenarios aren't really relevant to the current 40k meta or table top, but you could still theoretically use him in games of 30k (if your opponent allowed you to use the 7th edition Space Marine Codex and Imperial armours for fun).
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	*[[TL;DR]] During the time of legendary warriors and mighty heroes, Moloc handily puts his foot up the arse of almost every non-primarch characters, with the two exceptions being the loss to [[Corswain]] and draw against [[Sigismund]]. What's more interesting is how even with relatively simple rules Moloc is still able to trounce most of the legions greatest, especially when you remember that ap2 at initiative, instant death and stronger weaponry are far more common and available in 30k over 40k where Molocs kill grounds are, and how much a 3++ invulnerable save, eternal warrior and 4 wounds will swing fights massively in one combatants favour.		*[[TL;DR]] During the time of legendary warriors and mighty heroes, Moloc handily puts his foot up the arse of almost every non-primarch characters, with the two exceptions being the loss to [[Corswain]] and draw against [[Sigismund]]. What's more interesting is how even with relatively simple rules Moloc is still able to trounce most of the legions greatest, especially when you remember that ap2 at initiative, instant death and stronger weaponry are far more common and available in 30k over 40k where Molocs kill grounds are, and how much a 3++ invulnerable save, eternal warrior and 4 wounds will swing fights massively in one combatants favour.
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			==8th Edition==
			Lord Moloc is still a beast in 8th Edition. A beefy statline paired with the altered Black Spear (S+2 AP-3 D3, +1 Attack against characters) means that while he's less likely to cause individual wounds, once he hits something it STAYS hit. The Black Spear's shooting attack is now a 12" S8 AP-2 Dd3 trick that he can use as a regular attack, so make sure to get some zaps in. He also has some new auras: he gets the standard [[Chapter Master]] aura where all units (not just infantry) within 6" of him get to re-roll failed to hit rolls (this includes himself) and Minotaurs Infantry units get to re-roll failed Charge rolls (so the guy is fast as well), Moloc himself gets to make his attacks when he's slain in combat in case he dies before attacking and on top of all that he can teleport in like a a regular Terminator as well. All in all Moloc is less the death machine on legs that he used to be, but he still has a good shot at murdering dead anyone who gets in his way.
			If you want some extra FUN give him The Imperium Sword warlord trait, so that when charging he can mulch through T7 targets. Then proclaim thyself as a White Scars successor (because Great White Bull ftw!)
			Alternatively, an extra D3 attacks the turn he charges (Chogorian Storm) will surely make the enemy cower in fear.
			Or you can go for Monster slayer, because +1 to rolls against Monsters and Vehicles will let him RIP&TEAR through tanks.

			==9th Edition==
			In 9th he's both been buffed and toned down. His weapon now does a flat 3 for both shooting and melee and both have ap-3. But he has lost his 3++ Invulnerable save, and is stuck with a 4++ and a relic shield (4++ against mortal wounds) meaning he is less tanky and survivable against regular damage. But the most damning thing (and a problem he shares with everyone in the IA compedium) is that he is FORCED to take inspiring leader as his warlord trait, even though from a lore perspective this make next to no sense (moloc does not inspire, in fact he's so scary fellow Imperial forces try to avoid him and the chapter. What Moloc does is {{BLAM\|KILL}}, and he is very good at it). These relatively mediocre and misguided rules are partly changes 9th edition did (like storm shields not giving 3++ any more) but primarily because the IA compendium is a fucking shit show of bland and lazy rule writing, and you are honestly better taking his 8th edition rules, or homebrewing your own.

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1d4chan>SabbatMartyr: /* Moloc fights 30k */

2021-06-24T19:53:24Z

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	**Sigismund attacks 4 times, hits 3.111 times, wounds 2.593 times, causing 1.152 wounds after saves (after Sigismund forces Moloc to re-roll his successful invuln saves)		**Sigismund attacks 4 times, hits 3.111 times, wounds 2.593 times, causing 1.152 wounds after saves (after Sigismund forces Moloc to re-roll his successful invuln saves)
	**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.333 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.		**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.333 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.
	**~~Sigismund wins~~.		**They Draw.
	**~~Surprisingly this is an extremely close fight between these two~~ as both are equal in most areas with it taking 4 turns for both of them to kill the other. Moloc has a better invuln save ~~which cancels out Sigismunds higher damage output~~ and even though they both have Eternal Warrior, only Moloc benefits from having it in this fight as it cancels out the Instant Death from Sigismunds attacks. ~~Sigismund has a better WS and a higher initiative which in the end is what gives Sigismund the fight as he~~ will kill ~~Moloc just before Moloc kills him back~~.		**In the upset of the millennium Sigismund almost always draws a duel rather than flat out wins it, as both are equal in most areas with it taking 4 turns for both of them to kill the other. Each of them has small advantages that the other more or less negates, Sigismunds higher WS and invuln re-roll gives him a higher damage output but Moloc has a better invuln save and even though they both have Eternal Warrior, only Moloc benefits from having it in this fight as it cancels out the Instant Death from Sigismunds attacks. Since they both have I5 they will mutually kill each other on turn 4.

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	**Like so many other fights, Molocs preferred enemy, 3++ invuln, Eternal Warrior and 4 wounds means he survives, out damages and powers through his opponent.		**Like so many other fights, Molocs preferred enemy, 3++ invuln, Eternal Warrior and 4 wounds means he survives, out damages and powers through his opponent.

	*[[TL;DR]] During the time of legendary warriors and mighty heroes, Moloc handily puts his foot up the arse of almost every non-primarch characters, with the two exceptions being [[~~Sigismund~~]] and [[~~Corswain~~]], both of whom are built from the ground up to be duellists and were known as the greatest Swordsmen of their time. Still if the rules and mathhammer are to be believed, this makes Moloc the 3rd greatest duellist in Imperial history. All 10,000+ years of it. Which isn't bad, but something that that Moloc himself won't be too pleased with. What's more interesting is how even with relatively simple rules Moloc is still able to trounce most of the legions greatest, especially when you remember that ap2 at initiative, instant death and stronger weaponry are far more common and available in 30k over 40k where Molocs kill grounds are, and how much a 3++ invulnerable save, eternal warrior and 4 wounds will swing fights massively in one combatants favour.		*[[TL;DR]] During the time of legendary warriors and mighty heroes, Moloc handily puts his foot up the arse of almost every non-primarch characters, with the two exceptions being the loss to [[Corswain]] and draw against [[Sigismund]]. What's more interesting is how even with relatively simple rules Moloc is still able to trounce most of the legions greatest, especially when you remember that ap2 at initiative, instant death and stronger weaponry are far more common and available in 30k over 40k where Molocs kill grounds are, and how much a 3++ invulnerable save, eternal warrior and 4 wounds will swing fights massively in one combatants favour.
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1d4chan>SabbatMartyr: /* Moloc fights 30k */ Just redid the Math-hammer for Siggy vs Moloc as I messed it up the first time.

2021-06-23T20:42:08Z

Moloc fights 30k: Just redid the Math-hammer for Siggy vs Moloc as I messed it up the first time.

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	*Moloc vs Sigismund		*Moloc vs Sigismund
	**Sigismund attacks 4 times, hits 3.111 times, wounds 2.593 times, causing 1.~~728~~ wounds after saves (Sigismund forces Moloc to re-roll his successful invuln saves)		**Sigismund attacks 4 times, hits 3.111 times, wounds 2.593 times, causing 1.152 wounds after saves (after Sigismund forces Moloc to re-roll his successful invuln saves)
	**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.~~668~~ times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.		**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.333 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.
	**Sigismund wins.		**Sigismund wins.
	**~~Moloc loses, though that's not surprising considering Sigismund can give a few~~ of the ~~[[Primarch]]s~~ a ~~run for their money~~ in a ~~duel. Siggys~~ better WS, and ~~rules that force Moloc to re-roll his Invul save means~~ Sigismund ~~gives out more damage than~~ he ~~takes.~~ Moloc ~~can't even kill him by using an orbital strike against~~ him ~~as Sigismunds Eternal Warrior means he'll survive the blast~~.		**Surprisingly this is an extremely close fight between these two as both are equal in most areas with it taking 4 turns for both of them to kill the other. Moloc has a better invuln save which cancels out Sigismunds higher damage output and even though they both have Eternal Warrior, only Moloc benefits from having it in this fight as it cancels out the Instant Death from Sigismunds attacks. Sigismund has a better WS and a higher initiative which in the end is what gives Sigismund the fight as he will kill Moloc just before Moloc kills him back.

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	**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.668 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.		**Moloc attacks 4 times, hits 2.333 times, wounds 2.668 times, causing 1.134 wounds after saves.
	**Moloc wins.		**Moloc wins.
	**Despite his lower weapon skill and ~~invite~~, Molocs 4 wounds, 3++ invuln and wounding on 2+ spear means he out lasts Sevetar, and Eternal Warrior negates Sevetars Dirty fighter rule. It should be noted that even if Sevetar can cast precognition he only marginally out damages Moloc and would still lose the war of attrition due to the fact that Moloc has an extra wound on Sevetar and takes one turn longer to put down.		**Despite his lower weapon skill and initiative, Molocs 4 wounds, 3++ invuln and wounding on 2+ spear means he out lasts Sevetar, and Eternal Warrior negates Sevetars Dirty fighter rule. It should be noted that even if Sevetar can cast precognition he only marginally out damages Moloc and would still lose the war of attrition due to the fact that Moloc has an extra wound on Sevetar and takes one turn longer to put down.

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	**Like so many other fights, Molocs preferred enemy, 3++ invuln, Eternal Warrior and 4 wounds means he survives, out damages and powers through his opponent.		**Like so many other fights, Molocs preferred enemy, 3++ invuln, Eternal Warrior and 4 wounds means he survives, out damages and powers through his opponent.

	*[[TL;DR]] During the time of legendary warriors and mighty heroes, Moloc handily puts his foot up the arse of almost every non-primarch characters, with the two ~~glaring~~ exceptions being [[Sigismund]] and [[Corswain]], both of whom are built from the ground up to be duellists and were known as the greatest Swordsmen of their time. Still if the rules and mathhammer are to be believed, this makes Moloc the 3rd greatest duellist in Imperial history. All 10,000+ years of it. Which isn't bad, but something that that Moloc himself won't be too pleased with. What's more interesting is how even with relatively simple rules Moloc is still able to trounce most of the legions greatest, especially when you remember that ap2 at initiative, instant death and stronger weaponry are far more common and available in 30k over 40k where Molocs kill grounds are, and how much a 3++ invulnerable save, eternal warrior and 4 wounds will swing fights massively in one combatants favour.		*[[TL;DR]] During the time of legendary warriors and mighty heroes, Moloc handily puts his foot up the arse of almost every non-primarch characters, with the two exceptions being [[Sigismund]] and [[Corswain]], both of whom are built from the ground up to be duellists and were known as the greatest Swordsmen of their time. Still if the rules and mathhammer are to be believed, this makes Moloc the 3rd greatest duellist in Imperial history. All 10,000+ years of it. Which isn't bad, but something that that Moloc himself won't be too pleased with. What's more interesting is how even with relatively simple rules Moloc is still able to trounce most of the legions greatest, especially when you remember that ap2 at initiative, instant death and stronger weaponry are far more common and available in 30k over 40k where Molocs kill grounds are, and how much a 3++ invulnerable save, eternal warrior and 4 wounds will swing fights massively in one combatants favour.
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