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2605:BA00:6208:2AB4:2D28:84CE:7857:1D7A: Forgot to mention that Andropinis gives Tectuktitlay the nickname Tec since he's a senile old man and thinks his name is hard to pronounce. But that's not relevant to the aztecs just a bit of funny garbage.

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Forgot to mention that Andropinis gives Tectuktitlay the nickname Tec since he's a senile old man and thinks his name is hard to pronounce. But that's not relevant to the aztecs just a bit of funny garbage.

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	In [[Mystara]], the Tiger Clan of the Atruaghin is a relatively "benign" depiction of the Mexica; they've dropped the human sacrifice thing, but are still a bunch of brutal war-loving racial supremacists who serve as the Evil Faction to the Mesoamerican-based Atruaghin Clans. The [[Hollow World]] has the Azcans, who are the even-more-evil counterpart to the Tiger Clan and who ''do'' practice human sacrifice, as well as having more of the Aztec visuals. The Schattenalfen are an evil [[Shadow Elf]] offshoot who've picked up some Aztec traits, namely the human sacrifice thing. All three groups worship the same malevolent [[Mystaran Immortal]]; [[Atzanteotl]].		In [[Mystara]], the Tiger Clan of the Atruaghin is a relatively "benign" depiction of the Mexica; they've dropped the human sacrifice thing, but are still a bunch of brutal war-loving racial supremacists who serve as the Evil Faction to the Mesoamerican-based Atruaghin Clans. The [[Hollow World]] has the Azcans, who are the even-more-evil counterpart to the Tiger Clan and who ''do'' practice human sacrifice, as well as having more of the Aztec visuals. The Schattenalfen are an evil [[Shadow Elf]] offshoot who've picked up some Aztec traits, namely the human sacrifice thing. All three groups worship the same malevolent [[Mystaran Immortal]]; [[Atzanteotl]].

			In [[Dark_Sun\|Dark Sun]] The Mighty and Omnipotent Tectuktitlay, Wemmic Annihilator, Father of Life and Master of the Two Moons is the Sorcerer-King of the Aztec inspired city of Draj. As you might guess he thinks he's a living god however unlike other sorcerer kings who don't even believe in divinity and will openly brag about the life leeching nature of their magics [[lolwut\|this guy actually believes his own myth]] he thinks he is the son of the moons Ral and Guthay a god trapped in mortal flesh. That he with a word repaired the lands turning sand to soil and bringing forth lush growth & that the city he lives in was made with just a wave of his hand. Moon priests are fanatical believers in this cult while citizens who doubt this story [[derp\|since they live in a barren desert]] never voice their opinion openly and go through the motions of worshiping Tectuktitlay as the anger of Tectuktitlay can only be quenched through sacrifice by ripping the hearts out of dissenters.

	In the [[Forgotten Realms]], the sub-setting [[Maztica]] is basically Aztec Mexico with a dash of magic added to the top of it. It even emulates the whole "most of the Aztec empire didn't actually want to ''be'' Aztecs" thing; the truly devout worshippers of the bloodthirsty [[Zaltec]] are restricted to the peoples of one city-state, Nexal, who suffered for it when their god actually came to the [[Material Plane]] and his presence transformed them into [[orc]]s and [[ogre]]s, resulting in the toppling of their empire and the resurgence of the long-buried [[Qotal]] faith.		In the [[Forgotten Realms]], the sub-setting [[Maztica]] is basically Aztec Mexico with a dash of magic added to the top of it. It even emulates the whole "most of the Aztec empire didn't actually want to ''be'' Aztecs" thing; the truly devout worshippers of the bloodthirsty [[Zaltec]] are restricted to the peoples of one city-state, Nexal, who suffered for it when their god actually came to the [[Material Plane]] and his presence transformed them into [[orc]]s and [[ogre]]s, resulting in the toppling of their empire and the resurgence of the long-buried [[Qotal]] faith.

2605:BA00:6208:2AB4:2D28:84CE:7857:1D7A: In Mexico. Náhuatl speakers make up 22.89% of all indigenous speakers and are common in eastern states like Puebla. In comparison with Canada and the USA the colonial project of Mexico was one of assimilation not total extermination.

2023-06-02T08:51:55Z

In Mexico. Náhuatl speakers make up 22.89% of all indigenous speakers and are common in eastern states like Puebla. In comparison with Canada and the USA the colonial project of Mexico was one of assimilation not total extermination.

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	The Triple Alliance oversaw a highly advanced and cultured people, if you grade on a Chalcolithic curve. The Mexica / Aztec side had elaborate skills in architecture, sculpture, ornamental metalwork, and warfare; as well as skilled in trade - the ''pochteca'' system. Texcoco maintained the lore of Central Mesoamerica and composed much poetry of its own, most of which survives to this day, having impressed even the Catholics. All Mesoamericans were highly spiritual, whose culture was largely shaped by their religious devotion, although as the Mexica in particular interpreted that - well, read on.		The Triple Alliance oversaw a highly advanced and cultured people, if you grade on a Chalcolithic curve. The Mexica / Aztec side had elaborate skills in architecture, sculpture, ornamental metalwork, and warfare; as well as skilled in trade - the ''pochteca'' system. Texcoco maintained the lore of Central Mesoamerica and composed much poetry of its own, most of which survives to this day, having impressed even the Catholics. All Mesoamericans were highly spiritual, whose culture was largely shaped by their religious devotion, although as the Mexica in particular interpreted that - well, read on.

	The Mexica religion has gone down as perhaps the single bloodiest faith in human history. Blood sacrifice, up to and including that of humans, has been practiced by religions around the world pretty much as long as the concept of religion has been a thing, but the Aztec pantheon was uniquely bloodthirsty, starting with the central precept that human blood was of vital spiritual importance as the fuel that kept the universe working. Even basic offerings to the gods most frequently took the form of the Aztecs drilling into their arms, thighs, ears, lips, tongues and dicks with thorns and offering the bloody thorns. A traditional fertility rite to increase the productivity of a field was to tie a captive warrior between two trees and then riddle him full of arrows - the objective explicitly being to kill him as slowly as possible to ensure more of the blood went into the field. Tlaloc the Rain God was propitiated by ceremonially torturing and then drowning children. To evoke the favor of Xipe Totec, the Harvest God, priests would flay sacrificed virgins alive and wear the skins as ceremonial raiments to perform dances in. And, of course, Huitzilopochtli, patron god of the Aztecs, was offered hearts cut from the chests of living victims. Though it should be noted while some of this is certainly true most accounts were from the Spanish, as Cortez and the Conquistadors wished to emphasize the legitimacy of their claim. How much hyperbole were in these claims and how much is true is often a source of [[skub\|intense historical debate.]] Regardless, how many scarifices the Aztecs did is much debated given. Most Nahua and Nahuatl speaking people ~~did~~ not ~~survive, nor did a lot~~ of their codices, and so what remains is largely going to be the works of people who lived under the ~~Spainish~~ or the Spanish themselves, who were less than sympathetic to preserving the culture of what they saw as a heathen society-let alone leaving enough evidence for future generations to find to verify their claims. Such claims that historians have seemingly disproven include the claim by Cortez that Templo Mayor with its four sacrificial altars were able to sacrifice 80,400 people, or roughly 14 people per minute and 3.5 people per alter a minute over the 96 hours continuously. Pair this with evidence suggesting Cortez's reports were altered by royal committee and we have a case of a seriously unreliable narrator-though the real number is likely between 4,000-20,000 by modern archaeological evidence, which is still ~~insanely~~ high, but much more feasible.		The Mexica religion has gone down as perhaps the single bloodiest faith in human history. Blood sacrifice, up to and including that of humans, has been practiced by religions around the world pretty much as long as the concept of religion has been a thing, but the Aztec pantheon was uniquely bloodthirsty, starting with the central precept that human blood was of vital spiritual importance as the fuel that kept the universe working. Even basic offerings to the gods most frequently took the form of the Aztecs drilling into their arms, thighs, ears, lips, tongues and dicks with thorns and offering the bloody thorns. A traditional fertility rite to increase the productivity of a field was to tie a captive warrior between two trees and then riddle him full of arrows - the objective explicitly being to kill him as slowly as possible to ensure more of the blood went into the field. Tlaloc the Rain God was propitiated by ceremonially torturing and then drowning children. To evoke the favor of Xipe Totec, the Harvest God, priests would flay sacrificed virgins alive and wear the skins as ceremonial raiments to perform dances in. And, of course, Huitzilopochtli, patron god of the Aztecs, was offered hearts cut from the chests of living victims. Though it should be noted while some of this is certainly true most accounts were from the Spanish, as Cortez and the Conquistadors wished to emphasize the legitimacy of their claim. How much hyperbole were in these claims and how much is true is often a source of [[skub\|intense historical debate.]] Regardless, how many scarifices the Aztecs did is much debated given. Most Nahua and Nahuatl speaking people either died or were assimilated into Spanish culture, not many of their codices survived, and so what remains is largely going to be the works of people who lived under the Spanish or the Spanish themselves, who were less than sympathetic to preserving the culture of what they saw as a heathen society-let alone leaving enough evidence for future generations to find to verify their claims. Such claims that historians have seemingly disproven include the claim by Cortez that Templo Mayor with its four sacrificial altars were able to sacrifice 80,400 people, or roughly 14 people per minute and 3.5 people per alter a minute over the 96 hours continuously. Pair this with evidence suggesting Cortez's reports were altered by royal committee and we have a case of a seriously unreliable narrator-though the real number is likely between 4,000-20,000 by modern archaeological evidence, which is still horrifyingly high, but much more feasible.

	This fueled the warlike nature of the Aztecs, and was responsible for their uniquely styled empire - the Aztecs "proper", the Mexica people, inhabited a single city-state that was supported by two sub-ordinate city-states, and ruled over a vast quilt of conquered tribes and city-states. To get the sacrifices they needed, the Aztecs would fight ceremonial "Flower Wars" against vassal states and real wars against peoples on their borders. Which of course meant people didn't like them much. Seriously, the Aztecs ''inherited'' most of their gods from their neighbors (barring Huitzilopochtli, who was uniquely theirs), complete with the traditions of human sacrifice, and their neighbors still thought they were a bunch of blood-soaked fanatics. So, when a tiny Spanish Conquistador exploration fleet showed up, they succeeded in "conquering" the Empire in large part because the vast majority of the Empire and its surrounding neighbors threw their lot in behind the Spanish to get rid of the Aztecs.		This fueled the warlike nature of the Aztecs, and was responsible for their uniquely styled empire - the Aztecs "proper", the Mexica people, inhabited a single city-state that was supported by two sub-ordinate city-states, and ruled over a vast quilt of conquered tribes and city-states. To get the sacrifices they needed, the Aztecs would fight ceremonial "Flower Wars" against vassal states and real wars against peoples on their borders. Which of course meant people didn't like them much. Seriously, the Aztecs ''inherited'' most of their gods from their neighbors (barring Huitzilopochtli, who was uniquely theirs), complete with the traditions of human sacrifice, and their neighbors still thought they were a bunch of blood-soaked fanatics. So, when a tiny Spanish Conquistador exploration fleet showed up, they succeeded in "conquering" the Empire in large part because the vast majority of the Empire and its surrounding neighbors threw their lot in behind the Spanish to get rid of the Aztecs.

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	Let's get something straight here: the Mesoamerican people suffered a lot of terrible shit at the hands of European settlers. There's no arguing with that. But that doesn't mean they couldn't also be dicks in their own right. And the fact that the Aztecs' own "empire" revolted to overthrow them '''by siding with the newly arrived Spanish Conquistadors''' to do this is damning evidence that they were a bunch of dangerous fanatics even by the standards of their own people. But since [[SJW]]s became a thing, it's become a risky gambit to ever have Mesoamerican-inspired characters or cultures in an antagonistic role, and the Aztecs are no exemption. Basically it's best to follow the "Don't Beat Downwards" rule. If you team comes across a powerful or long lived Aztec empire go nuts. If your party are heroic white people from overseas fighting savages who throw rocks as they storm the palace with guns...Might want to step back a bit.		Let's get something straight here: the Mesoamerican people suffered a lot of terrible shit at the hands of European settlers. There's no arguing with that. But that doesn't mean they couldn't also be dicks in their own right. And the fact that the Aztecs' own "empire" revolted to overthrow them '''by siding with the newly arrived Spanish Conquistadors''' to do this is damning evidence that they were a bunch of dangerous fanatics even by the standards of their own people. But since [[SJW]]s became a thing, it's become a risky gambit to ever have Mesoamerican-inspired characters or cultures in an antagonistic role, and the Aztecs are no exemption. Basically it's best to follow the "Don't Beat Downwards" rule. If you team comes across a powerful or long lived Aztec empire go nuts. If your party are heroic white people from overseas fighting savages who throw rocks as they storm the palace with guns...Might want to step back a bit.

			===External links Links===
			[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or6W4sXpl3c\|A A Youtube documentary about the culture of human scarifice within Aztec and Mesoamerican society]
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	The Triple Alliance oversaw a highly advanced and cultured people, if you grade on a Chalcolithic curve. The Mexica / Aztec side had elaborate skills in architecture, sculpture, ornamental metalwork, and warfare; as well as skilled in trade - the ''pochteca'' system. Texcoco maintained the lore of Central Mesoamerica and composed much poetry of its own, most of which survives to this day, having impressed even the Catholics. All Mesoamericans were highly spiritual, whose culture was largely shaped by their religious devotion, although as the Mexica in particular interpreted that - well, read on.		The Triple Alliance oversaw a highly advanced and cultured people, if you grade on a Chalcolithic curve. The Mexica / Aztec side had elaborate skills in architecture, sculpture, ornamental metalwork, and warfare; as well as skilled in trade - the ''pochteca'' system. Texcoco maintained the lore of Central Mesoamerica and composed much poetry of its own, most of which survives to this day, having impressed even the Catholics. All Mesoamericans were highly spiritual, whose culture was largely shaped by their religious devotion, although as the Mexica in particular interpreted that - well, read on.

	The Mexica religion has gone down as perhaps the single bloodiest faith in human history. Blood sacrifice, up to and including that of humans, has been practiced by religions around the world pretty much as long as the concept of religion has been a thing, but the Aztec pantheon was uniquely bloodthirsty, starting with the central precept that human blood was of vital spiritual importance as the fuel that kept the universe working. Even basic offerings to the gods most frequently took the form of the Aztecs drilling into their arms, thighs, ears, lips, tongues and dicks with thorns and offering the bloody thorns. A traditional fertility rite to increase the productivity of a field was to tie a captive warrior between two trees and then riddle him full of arrows - the objective explicitly being to kill him as slowly as possible to ensure more of the blood went into the field. Tlaloc the Rain God was propitiated by ceremonially torturing and then drowning children. To evoke the favor of Xipe Totec, the Harvest God, priests would flay sacrificed virgins alive and wear the skins as ceremonial raiments to perform dances in. And, of course, Huitzilopochtli, patron god of the Aztecs, was offered hearts cut from the chests of living victims.		The Mexica religion has gone down as perhaps the single bloodiest faith in human history. Blood sacrifice, up to and including that of humans, has been practiced by religions around the world pretty much as long as the concept of religion has been a thing, but the Aztec pantheon was uniquely bloodthirsty, starting with the central precept that human blood was of vital spiritual importance as the fuel that kept the universe working. Even basic offerings to the gods most frequently took the form of the Aztecs drilling into their arms, thighs, ears, lips, tongues and dicks with thorns and offering the bloody thorns. A traditional fertility rite to increase the productivity of a field was to tie a captive warrior between two trees and then riddle him full of arrows - the objective explicitly being to kill him as slowly as possible to ensure more of the blood went into the field. Tlaloc the Rain God was propitiated by ceremonially torturing and then drowning children. To evoke the favor of Xipe Totec, the Harvest God, priests would flay sacrificed virgins alive and wear the skins as ceremonial raiments to perform dances in. And, of course, Huitzilopochtli, patron god of the Aztecs, was offered hearts cut from the chests of living victims. Though it should be noted while some of this is certainly true most accounts were from the Spanish, as Cortez and the Conquistadors wished to emphasize the legitimacy of their claim. How much hyperbole were in these claims and how much is true is often a source of [[skub\|intense historical debate.]] Regardless, how many scarifices the Aztecs did is much debated given. Most Nahua and Nahuatl speaking people did not survive, nor did a lot of their codices, and so what remains is largely going to be the works of people who lived under the Spainish or the Spanish themselves, who were less than sympathetic to preserving the culture of what they saw as a heathen society-let alone leaving enough evidence for future generations to find to verify their claims. Such claims that historians have seemingly disproven include the claim by Cortez that Templo Mayor with its four sacrificial altars were able to sacrifice 80,400 people, or roughly 14 people per minute and 3.5 people per alter a minute over the 96 hours continuously. Pair this with evidence suggesting Cortez's reports were altered by royal committee and we have a case of a seriously unreliable narrator-though the real number is likely between 4,000-20,000 by modern archaeological evidence, which is still insanely high, but much more feasible.

	This fueled the warlike nature of the Aztecs, and was responsible for their uniquely styled empire - the Aztecs "proper", the Mexica people, inhabited a single city-state that was supported by two sub-ordinate city-states, and ruled over a vast quilt of conquered tribes and city-states. To get the sacrifices they needed, the Aztecs would fight ceremonial "Flower Wars" against vassal states and real wars against peoples on their borders. Which of course meant people didn't like them much. Seriously, the Aztecs ''inherited'' most of their gods from their neighbors (barring Huitzilopochtli, who was uniquely theirs), complete with the traditions of human sacrifice, and their neighbors still thought they were a bunch of blood-soaked fanatics. So, when a tiny Spanish Conquistador exploration fleet showed up, they succeeded in "conquering" the Empire in large part because the vast majority of the Empire and its surrounding neighbors threw their lot in behind the Spanish to get rid of the Aztecs.		This fueled the warlike nature of the Aztecs, and was responsible for their uniquely styled empire - the Aztecs "proper", the Mexica people, inhabited a single city-state that was supported by two sub-ordinate city-states, and ruled over a vast quilt of conquered tribes and city-states. To get the sacrifices they needed, the Aztecs would fight ceremonial "Flower Wars" against vassal states and real wars against peoples on their borders. Which of course meant people didn't like them much. Seriously, the Aztecs ''inherited'' most of their gods from their neighbors (barring Huitzilopochtli, who was uniquely theirs), complete with the traditions of human sacrifice, and their neighbors still thought they were a bunch of blood-soaked fanatics. So, when a tiny Spanish Conquistador exploration fleet showed up, they succeeded in "conquering" the Empire in large part because the vast majority of the Empire and its surrounding neighbors threw their lot in behind the Spanish to get rid of the Aztecs.

115.70.44.117: /* A Word of Caution */

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A Word of Caution

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	==A Word of Caution==		==A Word of Caution==
	Let's get something straight here: the Mesoamerican people suffered a lot of terrible shit at the hands of European settlers. There's no arguing with that~~. Colonialism sucked~~. But that doesn't mean they couldn't also be dicks in their own right. And the fact that the Aztecs' own "empire" revolted to overthrow them ~~when~~ the Spanish ~~showed up~~ is ~~pretty blatant~~ evidence that they were a bunch of ~~crazy~~ fanatics even by the standards of their own people. But since [[SJW]]s became a thing, it's become a risky gambit to ever have Mesoamerican-inspired characters or cultures in an antagonistic role, and the Aztecs are no exemption. Basically it's best to follow the "Don't Beat Downwards" rule. If you team comes across a powerful or long lived Aztec empire go nuts. If your party are heroic white people from overseas fighting savages who throw rocks as they storm the palace with guns...Might want to step back a bit.		Let's get something straight here: the Mesoamerican people suffered a lot of terrible shit at the hands of European settlers. There's no arguing with that. But that doesn't mean they couldn't also be dicks in their own right. And the fact that the Aztecs' own "empire" revolted to overthrow them '''by siding with the newly arrived Spanish Conquistadors''' to do this is damning evidence that they were a bunch of dangerous fanatics even by the standards of their own people. But since [[SJW]]s became a thing, it's become a risky gambit to ever have Mesoamerican-inspired characters or cultures in an antagonistic role, and the Aztecs are no exemption. Basically it's best to follow the "Don't Beat Downwards" rule. If you team comes across a powerful or long lived Aztec empire go nuts. If your party are heroic white people from overseas fighting savages who throw rocks as they storm the palace with guns...Might want to step back a bit.

	[[Category: History]]		[[Category: History]]

115.70.44.117: The fact that THE PEOPLE THE AZTECS RAIDED FOR SACRIFICES SAID THIS AND CHOSE TO ALLY WITH SPANISH CONQUISTADORS TO GET RID OF THE AZTECS lends weight to it.

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The fact that THE PEOPLE THE AZTECS RAIDED FOR SACRIFICES SAID THIS AND CHOSE TO ALLY WITH SPANISH CONQUISTADORS TO GET RID OF THE AZTECS lends weight to it.

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	The Triple Alliance oversaw a highly advanced and cultured people, if you grade on a Chalcolithic curve. The Mexica / Aztec side had elaborate skills in architecture, sculpture, ornamental metalwork, and warfare; as well as skilled in trade - the ''pochteca'' system. Texcoco maintained the lore of Central Mesoamerica and composed much poetry of its own, most of which survives to this day, having impressed even the Catholics. All Mesoamericans were highly spiritual, whose culture was largely shaped by their religious devotion, although as the Mexica in particular interpreted that - well, read on.		The Triple Alliance oversaw a highly advanced and cultured people, if you grade on a Chalcolithic curve. The Mexica / Aztec side had elaborate skills in architecture, sculpture, ornamental metalwork, and warfare; as well as skilled in trade - the ''pochteca'' system. Texcoco maintained the lore of Central Mesoamerica and composed much poetry of its own, most of which survives to this day, having impressed even the Catholics. All Mesoamericans were highly spiritual, whose culture was largely shaped by their religious devotion, although as the Mexica in particular interpreted that - well, read on.

	The Mexica religion has gone down as perhaps the single bloodiest faith in human history. Blood sacrifice, up to and including that of humans, has been practiced by religions around the world pretty much as long as the concept of religion has been a thing, but the Aztec pantheon was uniquely bloodthirsty, starting with the central precept that human blood was of vital spiritual importance as the fuel that kept the universe working. Even basic offerings to the gods most frequently took the form of the Aztecs drilling into their arms, thighs, ears, lips, tongues and dicks with thorns and offering the bloody thorns. A traditional fertility rite to increase the productivity of a field was to tie a captive warrior between two trees and then riddle him full of arrows - the objective explicitly being to kill him as slowly as possible to ensure more of the blood went into the field. Tlaloc the Rain God was propitiated by ceremonially torturing and then drowning children. To evoke the favor of Xipe Totec, the Harvest God, priests would flay sacrificed virgins alive and wear the skins as ceremonial raiments to perform dances in. And, of course, Huitzilopochtli, patron god of the Aztecs, was offered hearts cut from the chests of living victims ~~(though it should be noted while some of this is certainly true most accounts were from the Spanish and the tribes they raided for sacrifices so...)~~.		The Mexica religion has gone down as perhaps the single bloodiest faith in human history. Blood sacrifice, up to and including that of humans, has been practiced by religions around the world pretty much as long as the concept of religion has been a thing, but the Aztec pantheon was uniquely bloodthirsty, starting with the central precept that human blood was of vital spiritual importance as the fuel that kept the universe working. Even basic offerings to the gods most frequently took the form of the Aztecs drilling into their arms, thighs, ears, lips, tongues and dicks with thorns and offering the bloody thorns. A traditional fertility rite to increase the productivity of a field was to tie a captive warrior between two trees and then riddle him full of arrows - the objective explicitly being to kill him as slowly as possible to ensure more of the blood went into the field. Tlaloc the Rain God was propitiated by ceremonially torturing and then drowning children. To evoke the favor of Xipe Totec, the Harvest God, priests would flay sacrificed virgins alive and wear the skins as ceremonial raiments to perform dances in. And, of course, Huitzilopochtli, patron god of the Aztecs, was offered hearts cut from the chests of living victims.

	This fueled the warlike nature of the Aztecs, and was responsible for their uniquely styled empire - the Aztecs "proper", the Mexica people, inhabited a single city-state that was supported by two sub-ordinate city-states, and ruled over a vast quilt of conquered tribes and city-states. To get the sacrifices they needed, the Aztecs would fight ceremonial "Flower Wars" against vassal states and real wars against peoples on their borders. Which of course meant people didn't like them much. Seriously, the Aztecs ''inherited'' most of their gods from their neighbors (barring Huitzilopochtli, who was uniquely theirs), complete with the traditions of human sacrifice, and their neighbors still thought they were a bunch of blood-soaked fanatics. So, when a tiny Spanish Conquistador exploration fleet showed up, they succeeded in "conquering" the Empire in large part because the vast majority of the Empire and its surrounding neighbors threw their lot in behind the Spanish to get rid of the Aztecs.		This fueled the warlike nature of the Aztecs, and was responsible for their uniquely styled empire - the Aztecs "proper", the Mexica people, inhabited a single city-state that was supported by two sub-ordinate city-states, and ruled over a vast quilt of conquered tribes and city-states. To get the sacrifices they needed, the Aztecs would fight ceremonial "Flower Wars" against vassal states and real wars against peoples on their borders. Which of course meant people didn't like them much. Seriously, the Aztecs ''inherited'' most of their gods from their neighbors (barring Huitzilopochtli, who was uniquely theirs), complete with the traditions of human sacrifice, and their neighbors still thought they were a bunch of blood-soaked fanatics. So, when a tiny Spanish Conquistador exploration fleet showed up, they succeeded in "conquering" the Empire in large part because the vast majority of the Empire and its surrounding neighbors threw their lot in behind the Spanish to get rid of the Aztecs.

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A Word of Caution

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	==A Word of Caution==		==A Word of Caution==
	Let's get something straight here: the Mesoamerican people suffered a lot of terrible shit at the hands of European settlers. There's no arguing with that. Colonialism sucked. But that doesn't mean they couldn't also be dicks in their own right. And the fact that the Aztecs' own "empire" revolted to overthrow them when the Spanish showed up is pretty blatant evidence that they were a bunch of crazy fanatics even by the standards of their own people. But since [[SJW]]s became a thing, it's become a risky gambit to ever have Mesoamerican-inspired characters or cultures in an antagonistic role, and the Aztecs are no exemption.		Let's get something straight here: the Mesoamerican people suffered a lot of terrible shit at the hands of European settlers. There's no arguing with that. Colonialism sucked. But that doesn't mean they couldn't also be dicks in their own right. And the fact that the Aztecs' own "empire" revolted to overthrow them when the Spanish showed up is pretty blatant evidence that they were a bunch of crazy fanatics even by the standards of their own people. But since [[SJW]]s became a thing, it's become a risky gambit to ever have Mesoamerican-inspired characters or cultures in an antagonistic role, and the Aztecs are no exemption. Basically it's best to follow the "Don't Beat Downwards" rule. If you team comes across a powerful or long lived Aztec empire go nuts. If your party are heroic white people from overseas fighting savages who throw rocks as they storm the palace with guns...Might want to step back a bit.

	[[Category: History]]		[[Category: History]]

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	The Triple Alliance oversaw a highly advanced and cultured people, if you grade on a Chalcolithic curve. The Mexica / Aztec side had elaborate skills in architecture, sculpture, ornamental metalwork, and warfare; as well as skilled in trade - the ''pochteca'' system. Texcoco maintained the lore of Central Mesoamerica and composed much poetry of its own, most of which survives to this day, having impressed even the Catholics. All Mesoamericans were highly spiritual, whose culture was largely shaped by their religious devotion, although as the Mexica in particular interpreted that - well, read on.		The Triple Alliance oversaw a highly advanced and cultured people, if you grade on a Chalcolithic curve. The Mexica / Aztec side had elaborate skills in architecture, sculpture, ornamental metalwork, and warfare; as well as skilled in trade - the ''pochteca'' system. Texcoco maintained the lore of Central Mesoamerica and composed much poetry of its own, most of which survives to this day, having impressed even the Catholics. All Mesoamericans were highly spiritual, whose culture was largely shaped by their religious devotion, although as the Mexica in particular interpreted that - well, read on.

	The Mexica religion has gone down as perhaps the single bloodiest faith in human history. Blood sacrifice, up to and including that of humans, has been practiced by religions around the world pretty much as long as the concept of religion has been a thing, but the Aztec pantheon was uniquely bloodthirsty, starting with the central precept that human blood was of vital spiritual importance as the fuel that kept the universe working. Even basic offerings to the gods most frequently took the form of the Aztecs drilling into their arms, thighs, ears, lips, tongues and dicks with thorns and offering the bloody thorns. A traditional fertility rite to increase the productivity of a field was to tie a captive warrior between two trees and then riddle him full of arrows - the objective explicitly being to kill him as slowly as possible to ensure more of the blood went into the field. Tlaloc the Rain God was propitiated by ceremonially torturing and then drowning children. To evoke the favor of Xipe Totec, the Harvest God, priests would flay sacrificed virgins alive and wear the skins as ceremonial raiments to perform dances in. And, of course, Huitzilopochtli, patron god of the Aztecs, was offered hearts cut from the chests of living victims.		The Mexica religion has gone down as perhaps the single bloodiest faith in human history. Blood sacrifice, up to and including that of humans, has been practiced by religions around the world pretty much as long as the concept of religion has been a thing, but the Aztec pantheon was uniquely bloodthirsty, starting with the central precept that human blood was of vital spiritual importance as the fuel that kept the universe working. Even basic offerings to the gods most frequently took the form of the Aztecs drilling into their arms, thighs, ears, lips, tongues and dicks with thorns and offering the bloody thorns. A traditional fertility rite to increase the productivity of a field was to tie a captive warrior between two trees and then riddle him full of arrows - the objective explicitly being to kill him as slowly as possible to ensure more of the blood went into the field. Tlaloc the Rain God was propitiated by ceremonially torturing and then drowning children. To evoke the favor of Xipe Totec, the Harvest God, priests would flay sacrificed virgins alive and wear the skins as ceremonial raiments to perform dances in. And, of course, Huitzilopochtli, patron god of the Aztecs, was offered hearts cut from the chests of living victims (though it should be noted while some of this is certainly true most accounts were from the Spanish and the tribes they raided for sacrifices so...).

	This fueled the warlike nature of the Aztecs, and was responsible for their uniquely styled empire - the Aztecs "proper", the Mexica people, inhabited a single city-state that was supported by two sub-ordinate city-states, and ruled over a vast quilt of conquered tribes and city-states. To get the sacrifices they needed, the Aztecs would fight ceremonial "Flower Wars" against vassal states and real wars against peoples on their borders. Which of course meant people didn't like them much. Seriously, the Aztecs ''inherited'' most of their gods from their neighbors (barring Huitzilopochtli, who was uniquely theirs), complete with the traditions of human sacrifice, and their neighbors still thought they were a bunch of blood-soaked fanatics. So, when a tiny Spanish Conquistador exploration fleet showed up, they succeeded in "conquering" the Empire in large part because the vast majority of the Empire and its surrounding neighbors threw their lot in behind the Spanish to get rid of the Aztecs.		This fueled the warlike nature of the Aztecs, and was responsible for their uniquely styled empire - the Aztecs "proper", the Mexica people, inhabited a single city-state that was supported by two sub-ordinate city-states, and ruled over a vast quilt of conquered tribes and city-states. To get the sacrifices they needed, the Aztecs would fight ceremonial "Flower Wars" against vassal states and real wars against peoples on their borders. Which of course meant people didn't like them much. Seriously, the Aztecs ''inherited'' most of their gods from their neighbors (barring Huitzilopochtli, who was uniquely theirs), complete with the traditions of human sacrifice, and their neighbors still thought they were a bunch of blood-soaked fanatics. So, when a tiny Spanish Conquistador exploration fleet showed up, they succeeded in "conquering" the Empire in large part because the vast majority of the Empire and its surrounding neighbors threw their lot in behind the Spanish to get rid of the Aztecs.

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Fantasy Aztecs

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	In [[Magic: The Gathering]], the civilizations of Naya, the Red/Green/White Shard of [[Alara]], have a certain level of Aztec motif. Meanwhile, the Sun Empire of [[Ixalan]] combines elements of Aztec and Inca.		In [[Magic: The Gathering]], the civilizations of Naya, the Red/Green/White Shard of [[Alara]], have a certain level of Aztec motif. Meanwhile, the Sun Empire of [[Ixalan]] combines elements of Aztec and Inca.

			In [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle]], the [[Lizardmen]] represents the native South American natives who also lives on a continent similar shaped to South America called Lustria. Although the Lizardmen represents neither Maya nor Aztec, they have a named character called [[Tehenhauin]], a red crested skink who is obsessed with sacrifice his most hated enemy invaders: The Skaven, by opening up their stomach and spill out their innards in the name of his snake god Sotek. The closest thing the Lizardmen could get to be an Aztec.

	==A Word of Caution==		==A Word of Caution==