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	They contact beings from beyond the known universe (known as [[Vestige]]s) to inhabit their body for a while and experience the real world again in exchange for special powers. There's a binding check involved that determines whether the vestige can influence your actions. If they win, you have to act in a certain way in certain situations or get a stacking -1 penalty on pretty much everything that only goes away when the vestige leaves. If you win, they just sit nicely along for the ride and you can choose to suppress the freakish alteration to your body (the Vestige's unique sign) if you wish, although some abilities require you to show the sign. You can initially only have one Vestige possess you at a time, but as you gain [[level]]s you gain access to more powerful and more ancient Vestiges which give you access to more and more magical abilities depending on who you're contacting and who you've just used. Eventually you can mimic most of the effects of all the other casting classes without multi-classing or going into a [[Prestige classes\|prestige class]], though the strongest Vestiges have severe restrictions on summoning them and can prevent you from taking some actions entirely even when not influencing you.		They contact beings from beyond the known universe (known as [[Vestige]]s) to inhabit their body for a while and experience the real world again in exchange for special powers. There's a binding check involved that determines whether the vestige can influence your actions. If they win, you have to act in a certain way in certain situations or get a stacking -1 penalty on pretty much everything that only goes away when the vestige leaves. If you win, they just sit nicely along for the ride and you can choose to suppress the freakish alteration to your body (the Vestige's unique sign) if you wish, although some abilities require you to show the sign. You can initially only have one Vestige possess you at a time, but as you gain [[level]]s you gain access to more powerful and more ancient Vestiges which give you access to more and more magical abilities depending on who you're contacting and who you've just used. Eventually you can mimic most of the effects of all the other casting classes without multi-classing or going into a [[Prestige classes\|prestige class]], though the strongest Vestiges have severe restrictions on summoning them and can prevent you from taking some actions entirely even when not influencing you.

	Religions are generally against binders because their gods don't really like it when a mortal chump can just doodle a seal on the ground and talk to things that the gods themselves know nothing about. They like it even less when a chump can actually talk to dead gods and things that shouldn't exist in the [[Plane\|multiverse]] without serious consequences. Basically, Vestiges are the cast-off remnants of powerful gods and mortals who shouldn't still be around, and they strike fear into those that should be all-powerful.		In terms of party role, binders are sort of a jack-of-all-trades, with the twist that instead of being good at everything all the time, they instead get to mimic the skillsets of other classes on a limited basis. This is made even better with the Improved Binding feat, which is basically a tax for the class because it effectively just gives you vestiges two levels early, meaning that at first level, you have ''nine'' vestiges to work with. Because of this, a binder can at least hold their own in just about any situation, and they have a lot of room to get even better if they go down a specific path. Prestige classes help with this; Knight of the Sacred Seal is practically free to enter and makes your melee game a hell of a lot better, and Anima Mage is a casting-focused class that can be entered stupidly early and lets you turn off one of your vestiges for free metamagic.

			Religions are generally against binders because their gods don't really like it when a mortal chump can just doodle a seal on the ground and talk to things that the gods themselves know nothing about (for some idea of how easy soulbinding is, even a ''commoner'' can pull off a limited form of it if they take the Bind Vestige feat). They like it even less when a chump can actually talk to dead gods and things that shouldn't exist in the [[Plane\|multiverse]] without serious consequences. Basically, Vestiges are the cast-off remnants of powerful gods and mortals who shouldn't still be around, and they strike fear into those that should be all-powerful.

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	'''Binders''' are one of three classes from ''Tome of Magic'' sourcebook for [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|D&D 3.5e]]. It's is notable for [[Awesome\|being competently designed, mechanically balanced, thematically interesting, and fun to play]]. This is hard to appreciate unless you remember that it's in the same sourcebook as the [[fail]]tastic [[Truenamer]] and the less-complex-and-versatile-than-it-appears [[Shadowcaster]].		'''Binders''' are one of three classes from ''Tome of Magic'' sourcebook for [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|D&D 3.5e]]. It's is notable for [[Awesome\|being competently designed, mechanically balanced, thematically interesting, and fun to play]]. This is hard to appreciate unless you remember that it's in the same sourcebook as the [[fail]]tastic [[Truenamer]] and the less-complex-and-versatile-than-it-appears [[Shadowcaster]].

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	It is worth noting that the Warlock ''did'' also continue the tradition of vestiges in 4e, ironically without supporting the binder subclass with it. The Vestige Pact was introduced in ''Arcane Power'' and involved drawing power from various ancient and bound entities. Each has one bound at all times, but can switch between them by making a choice at certain times, or by activating a power that binds them temporarily to a new vestige (usually a daily power). The choice alters the Warlock's pact boon and pact at-will power, making the Vestige Warlock versatile but also forcing them to be strategic.		It is worth noting that the Warlock ''did'' also continue the tradition of vestiges in 4e, ironically without supporting the binder subclass with it. The Vestige Pact was introduced in ''Arcane Power'' and involved drawing power from various ancient and bound entities. Each has one bound at all times, but can switch between them by making a choice at certain times, or by activating a power that binds them temporarily to a new vestige (usually a daily power). The choice alters the Warlock's pact boon and pact at-will power, making the Vestige Warlock versatile but also forcing them to be strategic.

	4e Binders are..... Well to be blunt, awful, arguably one of the weakest Essentials classes, with very wonky mechanics, this mostly stems from them being Controllers who need to constantly kill things to use their controller abilities, and one might argue that isn't a crippling problem, it still means that you are required to be in in the front lines of combat to operate at peak efficiency, and you're a caster........ I'll let you put 2 and 2 together.		4e Binders are..... Well to be blunt, awful, arguably one of the weakest Essentials classes, with very wonky mechanics; this mostly stems from them being Controllers who need to constantly kill things to use their controller abilities, and one might argue that isn't a crippling problem, it still means that you are required to be in in the front lines of combat to operate at peak efficiency, and you're a caster........ I'll let you put 2 and 2 together. About the best thing you can say about 4e binders is that at least they're not [[bladesinger]]s.

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	It is worth noting that the Warlock ''did'' also continue the tradition of vestiges in 4e, ironically without supporting the binder subclass with it. The Vestige Pact was introduced in ''Arcane Power'' and involved drawing power from various ancient and bound entities. Each has one bound at all times, but can switch between them by making a choice at certain times, or by activating a power that binds them temporarily to a new vestige (usually a daily power). The choice alters the Warlock's pact boon and pact at-will power, making the Vestige Warlock versatile but also forcing them to be strategic.		It is worth noting that the Warlock ''did'' also continue the tradition of vestiges in 4e, ironically without supporting the binder subclass with it. The Vestige Pact was introduced in ''Arcane Power'' and involved drawing power from various ancient and bound entities. Each has one bound at all times, but can switch between them by making a choice at certain times, or by activating a power that binds them temporarily to a new vestige (usually a daily power). The choice alters the Warlock's pact boon and pact at-will power, making the Vestige Warlock versatile but also forcing them to be strategic.

	4e Binders are..... Well to be blunt, awful, arguably one of the weakest Essentials classes, with very wonky mechanics, this mostly stems from them being Controllers who need to constantly kill things to use their controller abilities, and one might argue that isn't a crippling problem, it still means that you are required to be in in the front lines of combat to operate at peak efficiency, and you're a caster........ I'll let you put 2 and 2 together		4e Binders are..... Well to be blunt, awful, arguably one of the weakest Essentials classes, with very wonky mechanics, this mostly stems from them being Controllers who need to constantly kill things to use their controller abilities, and one might argue that isn't a crippling problem, it still means that you are required to be in in the front lines of combat to operate at peak efficiency, and you're a caster........ I'll let you put 2 and 2 together.

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	It is worth noting that the Warlock ''did'' also continue the tradition of vestiges in 4e, ironically without supporting the binder subclass with it. The Vestige Pact was introduced in ''Arcane Power'' and involved drawing power from various ancient and bound entities. Each has one bound at all times, but can switch between them by making a choice at certain times, or by activating a power that binds them temporarily to a new vestige (usually a daily power). The choice alters the Warlock's pact boon and pact at-will power, making the Vestige Warlock versatile but also forcing them to be strategic.		It is worth noting that the Warlock ''did'' also continue the tradition of vestiges in 4e, ironically without supporting the binder subclass with it. The Vestige Pact was introduced in ''Arcane Power'' and involved drawing power from various ancient and bound entities. Each has one bound at all times, but can switch between them by making a choice at certain times, or by activating a power that binds them temporarily to a new vestige (usually a daily power). The choice alters the Warlock's pact boon and pact at-will power, making the Vestige Warlock versatile but also forcing them to be strategic.

			4e Binders are..... Well to be blunt, awful, arguably one of the weakest Essentials classes, with very wonky mechanics, this mostly stems from them being Controllers who need to constantly kill things to use their controller abilities, and one might argue that isn't a crippling problem, it still means that you are required to be in in the front lines of combat to operate at peak efficiency, and you're a caster........ I'll let you put 2 and 2 together

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	'''Binders''' are one of three classes from ''Tome of Magic'' sourcebook for [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|D&D 3.5e]] ~~that~~ is notable for [[Awesome\|being competently designed, mechanically balanced, thematically interesting, and fun to play]]. This is hard to appreciate unless you remember that it's in the same sourcebook as the [[fail]]tastic [[Truenamer]] and the less-complex-and-versatile-than-it-appears [[Shadowcaster]].		'''Binders''' are one of three classes from ''Tome of Magic'' sourcebook for [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|D&D 3.5e]]. It's is notable for [[Awesome\|being competently designed, mechanically balanced, thematically interesting, and fun to play]]. This is hard to appreciate unless you remember that it's in the same sourcebook as the [[fail]]tastic [[Truenamer]] and the less-complex-and-versatile-than-it-appears [[Shadowcaster]].

	They contact beings from beyond the known universe (known as [[Vestige]]s) to inhabit their body for a while and experience the real world again in exchange for special powers. There's a binding check involved that determines whether the vestige can influence your actions. If they win, you have to act in a certain way in certain situations or get a stacking -1 penalty on pretty much everything that only goes away when the vestige leaves. If you win, they just sit nicely along for the ride and you can choose to suppress the freakish alteration to your body (the Vestige's unique sign) if you wish, although some abilities require you to show the sign. You can initially only have one Vestige possess you at a time, but as you gain [[level]]s you gain access to more powerful and more ancient Vestiges which give you access to more and more magical abilities depending on who you're contacting and who you've just used. Eventually you can mimic most of the effects of all the other casting classes without multi-classing or going into a [[Prestige classes\|prestige class]], though the strongest Vestiges have severe restrictions on summoning them and can prevent you from taking some actions entirely even when not influencing you.		They contact beings from beyond the known universe (known as [[Vestige]]s) to inhabit their body for a while and experience the real world again in exchange for special powers. There's a binding check involved that determines whether the vestige can influence your actions. If they win, you have to act in a certain way in certain situations or get a stacking -1 penalty on pretty much everything that only goes away when the vestige leaves. If you win, they just sit nicely along for the ride and you can choose to suppress the freakish alteration to your body (the Vestige's unique sign) if you wish, although some abilities require you to show the sign. You can initially only have one Vestige possess you at a time, but as you gain [[level]]s you gain access to more powerful and more ancient Vestiges which give you access to more and more magical abilities depending on who you're contacting and who you've just used. Eventually you can mimic most of the effects of all the other casting classes without multi-classing or going into a [[Prestige classes\|prestige class]], though the strongest Vestiges have severe restrictions on summoning them and can prevent you from taking some actions entirely even when not influencing you.
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	The Binder returned in [[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition]], as part of the Essentials line of [[Variant Class]]es. Debuting in the "Heroes of Shadow" [[splatbook]], the Binder was a Charisma-based Arcane Controller, in contrast to its [[Warlock]] roots as an Arcane Striker. Thematically, it was a somewhat clumsy attempt to meld 4e warlock lore with 3e binder lore; unlike conventional warlocks of the [[Nentir Vale]], who forge a pact with a singular patron as their instructor, binders treat with multiple individuals, borrowing, begging, bartering or stealing magic from many spirits and entities instead of forming a singular allegiance.		The Binder returned in [[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition]], as part of the Essentials line of [[Variant Class]]es. Debuting in the "Heroes of Shadow" [[splatbook]], the Binder was a Charisma-based Arcane Controller, in contrast to its [[Warlock]] roots as an Arcane Striker. Thematically, it was a somewhat clumsy attempt to meld 4e warlock lore with 3e binder lore; unlike conventional warlocks of the [[Nentir Vale]], who forge a pact with a singular patron as their instructor, binders treat with multiple individuals, borrowing, begging, bartering or stealing magic from many spirits and entities instead of forming a singular allegiance.

	[[Derp\|Despite this, they still divide into Patron-based subclasses, and of course the mono-dimensional styling of an Essentials class made every Binder of the same Pact feel exactly the same.]]		[[Derp\|Despite this, they still divide into Patron-based subclasses, and of course the mono-dimensional styling of an Essentials class made every Binder of the same Pact feel exactly the same.]]

	Mechanically, Binders function a lot like their [[Hexblade]] cousins.		Mechanically, Binders function a lot like their [[Hexblade]] cousins.

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	The [[Medium]] was originally going to be a Binder inspired class in its playtest, but Paizo decided that stating up a double digit number of separate spirits was too much work and made it into a weak class that can't do anything well for the final version. Thankfully Binder received a port to Pathfinder by Radiance House, who previously published some extra vestiges for 3.5, as the '''Occultist'''. There are some relatively minor differences from the original version.		The [[Medium]] was originally going to be a Binder inspired class in its playtest, but Paizo decided that stating up a double digit number of separate spirits was too much work and made it into a weak class that can't do anything well for the final version. Thankfully Binder received a port to Pathfinder by Radiance House, who previously published some extra vestiges for 3.5, as the '''Occultist'''. There are some relatively minor differences from the original version.
	* Occultists multiclass better than Binders did, adding half their non-Occultist level to their EBL. This doesn't help them get higher level spirits, but it makes controlling the ones you can access easier.		* Occultists multiclass better than Binders did, adding half their non-Occultist level to their EBL. This doesn't help them get higher level spirits, but it makes controlling the ones you can access easier and increases their power.
	* Each vestige, now called a spirit, belongs to a constellation. This gives the Occultist some minor abilities when binding a spirit based on their constellation, but more importantly determines the likes/dislikes of a spirit which can impact the ease binding multiple spirits (though spirits can still have special dislikes of their own).		* Each vestige, now called a spirit, belongs to a constellation. This gives the Occultist some minor abilities when binding a spirit based on their constellation, but more importantly determines the likes/dislikes of a spirit which can impact the ease binding multiple spirits (though spirits can still have special dislikes of their own).
	** Each spirit also has a favored ally and favored enemy. While a few abilities interact with this, its primary purpose is making it easier or harder to bind a spirit if you meet the conditions.		** Each spirit also has a favored ally and favored enemy. While a few abilities interact with this, its primary purpose is making it easier or harder to bind a spirit if you meet the conditions.