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	*'''Double barreled cannon''': An idea that sounds good on the drawing does not always means good in real life. Case in point, US Confederacy double barreled cannon. The idea was to load the guns with chain shot, two cannonballs connected by a chain, and then fire both barrels at the same time, so that the twin cannon balls would fly in such a way that not only would each ball kill the enemy, the chain between the ball would as well. The problem was in step two of the plan, getting both barrels to fire at the same time. To put it simply, it could not. It was tested three times. The first time the balls flew off target and tore up a corn field before the chain broke. The second time it missed again and tore holes in a nearby pine forest "like mowing machine" a witness said. Third time it was fired, the chain broke apart instantly and one ball flew off hitting a chimney, and the other killed a cow. The over optimistic inventor considered these tests a success. That the gun was lost for over ten years and found under a pile of rock speaks to how much the confederates thought of the thing.		*'''Double barreled cannon''': An idea that sounds good on the drawing does not always means good in real life. Case in point, US Confederacy double barreled cannon. The idea was to load the guns with chain shot, two cannonballs connected by a chain, and then fire both barrels at the same time, so that the twin cannon balls would fly in such a way that not only would each ball kill the enemy, the chain between the ball would as well. The problem was in step two of the plan, getting both barrels to fire at the same time. To put it simply, it could not. It was tested three times. The first time the balls flew off target and tore up a corn field before the chain broke. The second time it missed again and tore holes in a nearby pine forest "like mowing machine" a witness said. Third time it was fired, the chain broke apart instantly and one ball flew off hitting a chimney, and the other killed a cow. The over optimistic inventor considered these tests a success. That the gun was lost for over ten years and found under a pile of rock speaks to how much the confederates thought of the thing.

	*'''Quaker "Gun"''': Named after Christian Pacifists, and alternatively called "Dummy Guns". A Quaker gun is a gun mock-up (typically made of wood), made to look like real guns from a distance in order to deceive enemies you were more threatening than you actually were. Quaker guns found several instances of success throughout the ages and has negated battles that would have otherwise been an easy victory for the opposing side who didn't realize the guns they were scouting were fakes. These were particularly popular in the US Civil War, when an infantry advance on foot against cannons was absolutely guaranteed to cost the attacker wagonloads of dead and injured. Advances in modern reconnaissance technology has largely rendered dummy guns ineffective ~~shortly after WWII~~, but ~~the dummies there~~ were ~~hilariously important from a tactical view- the usage~~ of ~~dummy Allied tanks~~ and ~~artillery along key points helped to convince the Germans that~~ the ~~main attack~~ of D-Day would occur at Calais rather than Normandy (it helped that Patton stayed near their supposed launch point partly to deceive the Nazis and partly as punishment for him being an asshole to two soldiers in a hospital for psychological issues).		*'''Quaker "Gun"''': Named after Christian Pacifists, and alternatively called "Dummy Guns". A Quaker gun is a gun mock-up (typically made of wood), made to look like real guns from a distance in order to deceive enemies you were more threatening than you actually were. Quaker guns found several instances of success throughout the ages and has negated battles that would have otherwise been an easy victory for the opposing side who didn't realize the guns they were scouting were fakes. These were particularly popular in the US Civil War, when an infantry advance on foot against cannons was absolutely guaranteed to cost the attacker wagonloads of dead and injured. Advances in modern reconnaissance technology has largely rendered dummy guns ineffective, but even as late as WW2 they were used to great effect in advance of Normandy and during the second battle of El Alamein.

	*'''Parrott Rifle''': A Union Civil War cannon, the Parrott rifle was distinctive for its cast iron construction incorporating a band of wrought iron strengthening the breech of the gun. This made it an accurate piece of artillery that was simple to produce, though it did have a distressing tendency to burst.		*'''Parrott Rifle''': A Union Civil War cannon, the Parrott rifle was distinctive for its cast iron construction incorporating a band of wrought iron strengthening the breech of the gun. This made it an accurate piece of artillery that was simple to produce, though it did have a distressing tendency to burst.

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	== Cannons in Fantasy ==		== Cannons in Fantasy ==
	[[image:Emp great cannon 1434013374.jpg\|thumb\|300px\|right\|One of the [[Empire]]'s cannons, proving that you can mix fantasy with gunpowder weapons]]		[[image:Emp great cannon 1434013374.jpg\|thumb\|300px\|right\|One of the [[Empire]]'s cannons, proving that you can mix fantasy with [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] weapons]]
	Fantasy writers are a bit more accommodating to cannons than firearms: in part because they became more practical earlier on. Also they were crew served devices ill suited to use of a single warrior (unless he/she had fantastic powers to begin with) and cannons are the go to solution when someone says "thrilling non modern naval action". Even so there is some reticence about their use as it implies that sooner or latter someone is going to figure "Hey, why don't we take these things and scale them down?".		Fantasy writers are a bit more accommodating to cannons than firearms: in part because they became more practical earlier on. Also they were crew served devices ill suited to use of a single warrior (unless he/she had fantastic powers to begin with) and cannons are the go to solution when someone says "thrilling non modern naval action". Even so there is some reticence about their use as it implies that sooner or latter someone is going to figure "Hey, why don't we take these things and scale them down?".

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	Many cannons in fantasy settings have some fancypants adornment with bores made into the mouths of roaring lions, dragons and similar and they are rarely even primitive breech loaders. Fantasy authors also have dislike of making their guns out of Bronze since we like the idea of a big black iron gun. Cannons also tend to exist in isolation, you don't see mortars or howitzers for example . Cannons also tend to be somewhat underpowered (compared to their real life counterparts) in settings where they have to coexist with monsters. To put another way, if a cannon can knock a castle down from 490m away, then I don't care how big your dragon is, one direct hit and it will be down for the count. Mind you, getting that direct hit is going to be a bitch and a half and they are not the easier things to lug around.		Many cannons in fantasy settings have some fancypants adornment with bores made into the mouths of roaring lions, dragons and similar and they are rarely even primitive breech loaders. Fantasy authors also have dislike of making their guns out of Bronze since we like the idea of a big black iron gun. Cannons also tend to exist in isolation, you don't see mortars or howitzers for example . Cannons also tend to be somewhat underpowered (compared to their real life counterparts) in settings where they have to coexist with monsters. To put another way, if a cannon can knock a castle down from 490m away, then I don't care how big your dragon is, one direct hit and it will be down for the count. Mind you, getting that direct hit is going to be a bitch and a half and they are not the easier things to lug around.

	~~{{Vampire coast forces}}~~

	== Types of cannons ==		== Types of cannons ==

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	*'''Double barreled cannon''': An idea that sounds good on the drawing does not always means good in real life. Case in point, US Confederacy double barreled cannon. The idea was to load the guns with chain shot, two cannonballs connected by a chain, and then fire both barrels at the same time, so that the twin cannon balls would fly in such a way that not only would each ball kill the enemy, the chain between the ball would as well. The problem was in step two of the plan, getting both barrels to fire at the same time. To put it simply, it could not. It was tested three times. The first time the balls flew off target and tore up a corn field before the chain broke. The second time it missed again and tore holes in a nearby pine forest "like mowing machine" a witness said. Third time it was fired, the chain broke apart instantly and one ball flew off hitting a chimney, and the other killed a cow. The over optimistic inventor considered these tests a success. That the gun was lost for over ten years and found under a pile of rock speaks to how much the confederates thought of the thing.		*'''Double barreled cannon''': An idea that sounds good on the drawing does not always means good in real life. Case in point, US Confederacy double barreled cannon. The idea was to load the guns with chain shot, two cannonballs connected by a chain, and then fire both barrels at the same time, so that the twin cannon balls would fly in such a way that not only would each ball kill the enemy, the chain between the ball would as well. The problem was in step two of the plan, getting both barrels to fire at the same time. To put it simply, it could not. It was tested three times. The first time the balls flew off target and tore up a corn field before the chain broke. The second time it missed again and tore holes in a nearby pine forest "like mowing machine" a witness said. Third time it was fired, the chain broke apart instantly and one ball flew off hitting a chimney, and the other killed a cow. The over optimistic inventor considered these tests a success. That the gun was lost for over ten years and found under a pile of rock speaks to how much the confederates thought of the thing.

	*'''Quaker "Gun"''': Named after Christian Pacifists, and alternatively called "Dummy Guns". A Quaker gun is a gun mock-up (typically made of wood), made to look like real guns from a distance in order to deceive enemies you were more threatening than you actually were. Quaker guns found several instances of success throughout the ages and has negated battles that would have otherwise been an easy victory for the opposing side who didn't realize the guns they were scouting were fakes. These were particularly popular in the US Civil War, when an infantry advance on foot against cannons was absolutely guaranteed to cost the attacker wagonloads of dead and injured. Advances in modern reconnaissance technology has largely rendered dummy guns ineffective shortly after WWII, but the dummies there were hilariously important from a tactical view- the usage of dummy Allied tanks and artillery along key points helped to convince the Germans that the main attack of D-Day would occur at Calais rather than Normandy (it helped that Patton stayed near their supposed launch point).		*'''Quaker "Gun"''': Named after Christian Pacifists, and alternatively called "Dummy Guns". A Quaker gun is a gun mock-up (typically made of wood), made to look like real guns from a distance in order to deceive enemies you were more threatening than you actually were. Quaker guns found several instances of success throughout the ages and has negated battles that would have otherwise been an easy victory for the opposing side who didn't realize the guns they were scouting were fakes. These were particularly popular in the US Civil War, when an infantry advance on foot against cannons was absolutely guaranteed to cost the attacker wagonloads of dead and injured. Advances in modern reconnaissance technology has largely rendered dummy guns ineffective shortly after WWII, but the dummies there were hilariously important from a tactical view- the usage of dummy Allied tanks and artillery along key points helped to convince the Germans that the main attack of D-Day would occur at Calais rather than Normandy (it helped that Patton stayed near their supposed launch point partly to deceive the Nazis and partly as punishment for him being an asshole to two soldiers in a hospital for psychological issues).

	*'''Parrott Rifle''': A Union Civil War cannon, the Parrott rifle was distinctive for its cast iron construction incorporating a band of wrought iron strengthening the breech of the gun. This made it an accurate piece of artillery that was simple to produce, though it did have a distressing tendency to burst.		*'''Parrott Rifle''': A Union Civil War cannon, the Parrott rifle was distinctive for its cast iron construction incorporating a band of wrought iron strengthening the breech of the gun. This made it an accurate piece of artillery that was simple to produce, though it did have a distressing tendency to burst.

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	Many cannons in fantasy settings have some fancypants adornment with bores made into the mouths of roaring lions, dragons and similar and they are rarely even primitive breech loaders. Fantasy authors also have dislike of making their guns out of Bronze since we like the idea of a big black iron gun. Cannons also tend to exist in isolation, you don't see mortars or howitzers for example . Cannons also tend to be somewhat underpowered (compared to their real life counterparts) in settings where they have to coexist with monsters. To put another way, if a cannon can knock a castle down from 490m away, then I don't care how big your dragon is, one direct hit and it will be down for the count. Mind you, getting that direct hit is going to be a bitch and a half and they are not the easier things to lug around.		Many cannons in fantasy settings have some fancypants adornment with bores made into the mouths of roaring lions, dragons and similar and they are rarely even primitive breech loaders. Fantasy authors also have dislike of making their guns out of Bronze since we like the idea of a big black iron gun. Cannons also tend to exist in isolation, you don't see mortars or howitzers for example . Cannons also tend to be somewhat underpowered (compared to their real life counterparts) in settings where they have to coexist with monsters. To put another way, if a cannon can knock a castle down from 490m away, then I don't care how big your dragon is, one direct hit and it will be down for the count. Mind you, getting that direct hit is going to be a bitch and a half and they are not the easier things to lug around.

			{{Vampire coast forces}}

	== Types of cannons ==		== Types of cannons ==

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	*'''Canon de 75 mle 1887''': The French 75 (or as the French would put it, ''le soixante-quinze'') was pretty much the first modern artillery gun as we know it, incorporating a fast-acting screw breech, self-contained ammunition (cartridge case attached to the shell), and most significant of all, a hydro-pneumatic recoil mechanism that smoothly returned the gun to its original position after firing. Put together, all of these features allowed the 75 to put out [[Dakka\|an average of fifteen rounds a minute, or as many as thirty rounds a minute with an experienced crew]]. That said, it was also one of the last field guns as we know it, with the advent of modern warfare pushing artillery way further into the backline, and off the field of battle.		*'''Canon de 75 mle 1887''': The French 75 (or as the French would put it, ''le soixante-quinze'') was pretty much the first modern artillery gun as we know it, incorporating a fast-acting screw breech, self-contained ammunition (cartridge case attached to the shell), and most significant of all, a hydro-pneumatic recoil mechanism that smoothly returned the gun to its original position after firing. Put together, all of these features allowed the 75 to put out [[Dakka\|an average of fifteen rounds a minute, or as many as thirty rounds a minute with an experienced crew]]. That said, it was also one of the last field guns as we know it, with the advent of modern warfare pushing artillery way further into the backline, and off the field of battle.

	*'''Autocannon''': Essentially an automatically loading cannon with a calibre between 20mm to 76mm. Dating back to the 19th century (see below), the autocannon really came into its heyday during the Second World War, when there came to be a need for a rapid-firing cannon that could fire armour-piercing and explosive shells to swat planes out of the sky. They utilize a number of mechanisms to achieve their ends, including the tried-and-true Gatling mechanism to beefed up recoil operation systems, not to mention a range of externally-powered mechanisms that automate the process of loading, firing, and extracting ammunition. Employed on pretty much every vehicle you can think of. From wheeled vehicles to tanks; helicopters~~. fighter jet~~, ~~patrol boats~~ and even ~~aircraft carriers~~.		*'''Autocannon''': Essentially an automatically loading cannon with a calibre between 20mm to 76mm. Dating back to the 19th century (see below), the autocannon really came into its heyday during the Second World War, when there came to be a need for a rapid-firing cannon that could fire armour-piercing and explosive shells to swat planes out of the sky. They utilize a number of mechanisms to achieve their ends, including the tried-and-true Gatling mechanism to beefed up recoil operation systems, not to mention a range of externally-powered mechanisms that automate the process of loading, firing, and extracting ammunition. Employed on pretty much every vehicle you can think of. From wheeled vehicles to tanks; helicopters, fixed wing aircraft, surface vessels such as Patrol Boats, Destroyers, Cruisers and even Aircraft Carriers.

	=== Noncannon guns worth mentioning ===		=== Noncannon guns worth mentioning ===

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	*'''Sabot''': Not to be confused with the later armour-piercing shell design described below. Sabots (French for a clog shoe and pronounced like "Sah-bo") were used in the 19th century with weapons like the Paixhans gun, one of the first naval guns designed to fire an explosive shell. A sabot is a container made of a light material that fits the barrel and contains the actual munition but falls away after leaving the barrel, leaving just the sub-munition to fly toward the target. It was used to center the projectile and prevent propellant gas leakages, which could potentially prematurely detonate the shell in the barrel. Advances in metallurgy and the invention of the driving band have made such sabots obsolete. Buuuuut...		*'''Sabot''': Not to be confused with the later armour-piercing shell design described below. Sabots (French for a clog shoe and pronounced like "Sah-bo") were used in the 19th century with weapons like the Paixhans gun, one of the first naval guns designed to fire an explosive shell. A sabot is a container made of a light material that fits the barrel and contains the actual munition but falls away after leaving the barrel, leaving just the sub-munition to fly toward the target. It was used to center the projectile and prevent propellant gas leakages, which could potentially prematurely detonate the shell in the barrel. Advances in metallurgy and the invention of the driving band have made such sabots obsolete. Buuuuut...

	*'''Armour-Piercing Discarding Sabot (APDS)/Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot (APFSDS)''': Remember the APCR above, where we said 'core made out of hard material to deal more damage'? Well the modern APDS/APFSDS rounds take this one level further. A small, very heavy projectile is encased in a sleeve (called a sabot), which is discarded the moment it exits the barrel, leaving only the projectile to fly toward the target. Features much better ballistics than APCR, though APDS rounds still tend to somewhat less accurate when fired out of a rifled cannon. With the move to APFSDS, modern tanks now shoot what basically amounts to a huge dart made of depleted uranium or tungsten at one another through their smoothbore cannons. These are a whole kettle of fish altogether. Exhibiting an even smaller cross-section, they travel at near hypersonic (Mach 5 and above) velocities, with whatever they hit getting absolutely wrecked by the pressure wave and spall they generate while traveling through solid material. That said, if you tried to point them at the sides of a car or another lightly-armoured vehicle, all they'll do is make two very neatly-shaped holes, assuming that they don't turn someone into red paste on their way through.		*'''Armour-Piercing Discarding Sabot (APDS)/Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot (APFSDS)''': Remember the APCR above, where we said 'core made out of hard material to deal more damage'? Well the modern APDS/APFSDS rounds take this one level further. A small, very heavy projectile is encased in a sleeve (called a sabot), which is discarded the moment it exits the barrel, leaving only the projectile to fly toward the target. Features much better ballistics than APCR, though APDS rounds still tend to somewhat less accurate when fired out of a rifled cannon. Accuracy is not much of a problem when Tanks and Self Propelled Artillery have built in targeting computers and communications systems. With the move to APFSDS, modern tanks now shoot what basically amounts to a huge dart made of depleted uranium or tungsten at one another through their smoothbore cannons. These are a whole kettle of fish altogether. Exhibiting an even smaller cross-section, they travel at near hypersonic (Mach 5 and above) velocities, with whatever they hit getting absolutely wrecked by the pressure wave and spall they generate while traveling through solid material. That said, if you tried to point them at the sides of a car or another lightly-armoured vehicle, all they'll do is make two very neatly-shaped holes, assuming that they don't turn someone into red paste on their way through.

	*'''High-Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT)/High-Explosive Anti-Tank Fin-Stabilized (HEAT-FS)''': A modern round (it was introduced in WW2) that uses the Munroe effect to defeat heavily-armored targets, like a tank. In essence, all the force of the explosion is concentrated into a 'jet' that forces/melts/erodes its way through the armor and incinerates anything behind. Since their penetration capability is independent of the projectile's kinetic energy, they can take a variety of different forms: a shell launched by a cannon is the most applicable one here, but it also can be a rocket, or even a bomb thrown at/attached to a vehicle. While extremely effective, they have the drawback of needing to detonate at just the right distance and angle from their target. Furthermore, the rifling of a cannon tends to have a detrimental effect on the high explosive jet, causing it to splay out upon detonation, which needs to be counteracted in some form or another. The fin-stabilized version is a later variation that (as the name indicates) uses fins to stabilize the shell's flight (negating the need for rifling) and improve the chance of hitting at exactly said right angle/distance.		*'''High-Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT)/High-Explosive Anti-Tank Fin-Stabilized (HEAT-FS)''': A modern round (it was introduced in WW2) that uses the Munroe effect to defeat heavily-armored targets, like a tank. In essence, all the force of the explosion is concentrated into a 'jet' that forces/melts/erodes its way through the armor and incinerates anything behind. Since their penetration capability is independent of the projectile's kinetic energy, they can take a variety of different forms: a shell launched by a cannon is the most applicable one here, but it also can be a rocket, or even a bomb thrown at/attached to a vehicle. While extremely effective, they have the drawback of needing to detonate at just the right distance and angle from their target. Furthermore, the rifling of a cannon tends to have a detrimental effect on the high explosive jet, causing it to splay out upon detonation, which needs to be counteracted in some form or another. The fin-stabilized version is a later variation that (as the name indicates) uses fins to stabilize the shell's flight (negating the need for rifling) and improve the chance of hitting at exactly said right angle/distance.