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 These aspersions actually have some solid grounding in reality. As a horse specialist, the cavalier's lighter armor and special sword put him at a disadvantage should he lose his mount and face some [[Game_of_Thrones|Gregor Clegane]] in full plate. Him and the [[Ranger]] have a lot to talk about.
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	==Pathfinder==		==Pathfinder==
			===1st Edition===
	[[File:Alain.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Alain, the iconic Cavalier]]		[[File:Alain.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Alain, the iconic Cavalier]]
	[[Pathfinder]] eventually took a shot at making a Cavalier class of its own, the first time it's been a full class since AD&D. Although probably more popular as serving as the foundation for the Pathfinder's [[Samurai]] class, it does manage to be more effective than Cavaliers have traditionally been - this is because it manages to be a two-trick pony, with a focus on teamwork through the use of challenges and features that bolster allies, which actually makes it pretty similar thematically to 4e's [[Warlord]] class.		[[Pathfinder]] eventually took a shot at making a Cavalier class of its own, the first time it's been a full class since AD&D. Although probably more popular as serving as the foundation for the Pathfinder's [[Samurai]] class, it does manage to be more effective than Cavaliers have traditionally been - this is because it manages to be a two-trick pony, with a focus on teamwork through the use of challenges and features that bolster allies, which actually makes it pretty similar thematically to 4e's [[Warlord]] class.
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	While Pathfinder's cavalier is the best version they've been, they still aren't great. While they have ''something'' to do if they can't bring their mount, it isn't all that powerful. Cavaliers are generally as low as [[Tier System\|Tier 5]], though small cavaliers (who can bring their pony into dungeons but not in public buildings) and better archetypes that trade away the mount may get up to tier 4.		While Pathfinder's cavalier is the best version they've been, they still aren't great. While they have ''something'' to do if they can't bring their mount, it isn't all that powerful. Cavaliers are generally as low as [[Tier System\|Tier 5]], though small cavaliers (who can bring their pony into dungeons but not in public buildings) and better archetypes that trade away the mount may get up to tier 4.

	===~~Second~~ Edition===		{{Pathfinder-Classes}}

			===2nd Edition===
	Cavalier was cut from the class list of [[Pathfinder Second Edition]], being reduced to an archetype (archetypes here being essentially a chain of feats to take in place of class feats) during the 2018 playtest. And even then, it didn't appear in the CRB. It would only appear in the Advanced Player's Guide, alongside a bunch of other non-class archetypes.		Cavalier was cut from the class list of [[Pathfinder Second Edition]], being reduced to an archetype (archetypes here being essentially a chain of feats to take in place of class feats) during the 2018 playtest. And even then, it didn't appear in the CRB. It would only appear in the Advanced Player's Guide, alongside a bunch of other non-class archetypes.

	This version of the cavalier gives you a riding mount off the bat, which not many classes can do ([[Druid]] and [[Ranger]], while [[Paladin\|Champion]] has to wait a few levels) but requires proficiency in either Society or Nature. This feat tree includes the mandatory pet-progression feats that come with owning a pet, but it also has several ways of taking the sting off of owning a mount, like using your AC to protect the steed, mounting on and moving in a single action and being able to move twice while also attacking. It even provides that token banner feature the class had, adding that token +1 to Will.		This version of the cavalier gives you a riding mount off the bat, which not many classes can do ([[Druid]] and [[Ranger]], while [[Paladin\|Champion]] has to wait a few levels) but requires proficiency in either Society or Nature. This feat tree includes the mandatory pet-progression feats that come with owning a pet, but it also has several ways of taking the sting off of owning a mount, like using your AC to protect the steed, mounting on and moving in a single action and being able to move twice while also attacking. It even provides that token banner feature the class had, adding that token +1 to Will.

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	'''Cavalier''' is the Norman term for a mediaeval horseman. In French, ''chevalier''; Spanish, ''caballero''; and there's a word like that even in Byzantine Greek. The term had clearly replaced the Classical Latin "equestrian" as of Late Antiquity for an armed horseman who may or may not own the full rights and duties of a [[knight\|kunigget]]. Although mediaeval romances tended to idealise the Man On The White Horse swinging that long veiny lance about - hence "chivalry".		'''Cavalier''' is the Norman term for a mediaeval horseman. In French, ''chevalier''; Spanish, ''caballero''; and there's a word like that even in Byzantine Greek. The term had clearly replaced the Classical Latin "equestrian" as of Late Antiquity for an armed horseman who may or may not own the full rights and duties of a [[knight\|kunigget]]. Although mediaeval romances tended to idealise the Man On The White Horse swinging that long veiny lance about - hence "chivalry".<br>
			The term remained in common use during the 17th century as supporters of King Charles I of England, who is famous for losing the English Civil War and having his head lopped off by Parliament as a result. Because the Royalists had the physical land to support a cavalry, they started off better at it; which lent itself substantially to their feared reputation in the early stages of the civil war. However, they were prone to indiscipline and had a nasty habit of breaking up after the charge to go loot the baggage. This issue was not remedied in later stages of the war, which saw the Parliamentarian cavalry become their equals and the Royalists losing much of their battlefield advantage because of this indiscipline.

	[[Dungeons & Dragons]] made the Cavalier a class. Consider it the bastard (another classic Norman French word) child of the [[Paladin]] and, believe us, we'd not count it against that character-class if he disowned it. But the cavalier keeps riding back no matter what is done by the fans (it's probably mostly due to that asshole [[D%26D_Cartoon\|Erik]]).		[[Dungeons & Dragons]] made the Cavalier a class. Consider it the bastard (another classic Norman French word) child of the [[Paladin]] and, believe us, we'd not count it against that character-class if he disowned it. But the cavalier keeps riding back no matter what is done by the fans (it's probably mostly due to that asshole [[D%26D_Cartoon\|Erik]]).
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	These aspersions actually have some solid grounding in reality. As a horse specialist, the cavalier's lighter armor and special sword put him at a disadvantage should he lose his mount and face some [[Game_of_Thrones\|Gregor Clegane]] in full plate. Him and the [[Ranger]] have a lot to talk about.		These aspersions actually have some solid grounding in reality. As a horse specialist, the cavalier's lighter armor and special sword put him at a disadvantage should he lose his mount and face some [[Game_of_Thrones\|Gregor Clegane]] in full plate. Him and the [[Ranger]] have a lot to talk about.

	The term remained in common use during the 17th century as supporters of King Charles I of England, who is famous for losing the English Civil War and having his head lopped off by Parliament as a result. Because the Royalists had the physical land to support a cavalry, they started off better at it; which lent itself substantially to their feared reputation in the early stages of the civil war. However, they were prone to indiscipline and had a nasty habit of breaking up after the charge to go loot the baggage. This issue was not remedied in later stages of the war, which saw the Parliamentarian cavalry become their equals and the Royalists losing much of their battlefield advantage because of this indiscipline.

	==Pathfinder==		==Pathfinder==

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	Why? Because the Cavalier has always been a one-trick pony; good at fighting from steed-back. Put them in a situation where they can't ride their steed - like, say, crawling in your stereotypical dungeon - and they're basically a worthless half-fighter.		Why? Because the Cavalier has always been a one-trick pony; good at fighting from steed-back. Put them in a situation where they can't ride their steed - like, say, crawling in your stereotypical dungeon - and they're basically a worthless half-fighter.

	These aspersions actually have some solid grounding in reality. As a horse specialist, the cavalier's lighter armor and special sword put him at a disadvantage should he lose his mount and face some [[Game_of_Thrones\|Gregor Clegane]] in full plate.		These aspersions actually have some solid grounding in reality. As a horse specialist, the cavalier's lighter armor and special sword put him at a disadvantage should he lose his mount and face some [[Game_of_Thrones\|Gregor Clegane]] in full plate. Him and the [[Ranger]] have a lot to talk about.

	The term remained in common use during the 17th century as supporters of King Charles I of England, who is famous for losing the English Civil War and having his head lopped off by Parliament as a result. Because the Royalists had the physical land to support a cavalry, they started off better at it; which lent itself substantially to their feared reputation in the early stages of the civil war. However, they were prone to indiscipline and had a nasty habit of breaking up after the charge to go loot the baggage. This issue was not remedied in later stages of the war, which saw the Parliamentarian cavalry become their equals and the Royalists losing much of their battlefield advantage because of this indiscipline.		The term remained in common use during the 17th century as supporters of King Charles I of England, who is famous for losing the English Civil War and having his head lopped off by Parliament as a result. Because the Royalists had the physical land to support a cavalry, they started off better at it; which lent itself substantially to their feared reputation in the early stages of the civil war. However, they were prone to indiscipline and had a nasty habit of breaking up after the charge to go loot the baggage. This issue was not remedied in later stages of the war, which saw the Parliamentarian cavalry become their equals and the Royalists losing much of their battlefield advantage because of this indiscipline.

1d4chan>Zimriel at 02:07, 19 October 2021

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	~~The~~ Cavalier, ~~based on~~ the ~~long~~ and ~~romanticised history~~ of the ~~horse-riding,~~ lance-~~wielding~~ [[~~knight~~]]~~, is one of~~ the bastard ~~stepchildren classes~~ of [[~~Dungeons & Dragons~~]], ~~something~~ that ~~almost everyone tries to sweep under~~ the ~~rug, yet which~~ keeps ~~popping~~ back ~~into the light~~ no matter what is done by the fans (it's probably mostly due to that asshole [[D%26D_Cartoon\|Erik]]).		'''Cavalier''' is the Norman term for a mediaeval horseman. In French, ''chevalier''; Spanish, ''caballero''; and there's a word like that even in Byzantine Greek. The term had clearly replaced the Classical Latin "equestrian" as of Late Antiquity for an armed horseman who may or may not own the full rights and duties of a [[knight\|kunigget]]. Although mediaeval romances tended to idealise the Man On The White Horse swinging that long veiny lance about - hence "chivalry".

			[[Dungeons & Dragons]] made the Cavalier a class. Consider it the bastard (another classic Norman French word) child of the [[Paladin]] and, believe us, we'd not count it against that character-class if he disowned it. But the cavalier keeps riding back no matter what is done by the fans (it's probably mostly due to that asshole [[D%26D_Cartoon\|Erik]]).

	There are two specific breeds of Cavalier in the context of D&D. The original variety, known today as the Cavalier-Paladin, is a horror that only [[neckbeard]]s of [[Old School Roleplaying]] lineage have experienced, and which has been more or less successfully stamped out, and the "proper" cavalier, who has manifested itself once per edition ever since.		There are two specific breeds of Cavalier in the context of D&D. The original variety, known today as the Cavalier-Paladin, is a horror that only [[neckbeard]]s of [[Old School Roleplaying]] lineage have experienced, and which has been more or less successfully stamped out, and the "proper" cavalier, who has manifested itself once per edition ever since.
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	Why? Because the Cavalier has always been a one-trick pony; good at fighting from steed-back. Put them in a situation where they can't ride their steed - like, say, crawling in your stereotypical dungeon - and they're basically a worthless half-fighter.		Why? Because the Cavalier has always been a one-trick pony; good at fighting from steed-back. Put them in a situation where they can't ride their steed - like, say, crawling in your stereotypical dungeon - and they're basically a worthless half-fighter.

	These aspersions actually have some solid grounding in reality. The very term "Cavalier" has cognates in French (''chevalier''), Spanish (''caballero'') and even in Byzantine Greek; the term had clearly replaced the Classical Latin "equestrian" as of Late Antiquity for an armed horseman who may or may not own the full rights and duties of a knight. As a horse specialist, ~~his~~ lighter armor and special sword put him at a disadvantage should he lose his mount and face some [[Game_of_Thrones\|Gregor Clegane]] in full plate.		These aspersions actually have some solid grounding in reality. As a horse specialist, the cavalier's lighter armor and special sword put him at a disadvantage should he lose his mount and face some [[Game_of_Thrones\|Gregor Clegane]] in full plate.

	The term remained in common use during the 17th century as supporters of King Charles I of England, who is famous for losing the English Civil War and having his head lopped off by Parliament as a result. Because the Royalists had the physical land to support a cavalry, they started off better at it; which lent itself substantially to their feared reputation in the early stages of the civil war. However, they were prone to indiscipline and had a nasty habit of breaking up after the charge to go loot the baggage. This issue was not remedied in later stages of the war, which saw the Parliamentarian cavalry become their equals and the Royalists losing much of their battlefield advantage because of this indiscipline.		The term remained in common use during the 17th century as supporters of King Charles I of England, who is famous for losing the English Civil War and having his head lopped off by Parliament as a result. Because the Royalists had the physical land to support a cavalry, they started off better at it; which lent itself substantially to their feared reputation in the early stages of the civil war. However, they were prone to indiscipline and had a nasty habit of breaking up after the charge to go loot the baggage. This issue was not remedied in later stages of the war, which saw the Parliamentarian cavalry become their equals and the Royalists losing much of their battlefield advantage because of this indiscipline.

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	Why? Because the Cavalier has always been a one-trick pony; good at fighting from steed-back. Put them in a situation where they can't ride their steed - like, say, crawling in your stereotypical dungeon - and they're basically a worthless half-fighter.		Why? Because the Cavalier has always been a one-trick pony; good at fighting from steed-back. Put them in a situation where they can't ride their steed - like, say, crawling in your stereotypical dungeon - and they're basically a worthless half-fighter.

	These aspersions actually have some solid grounding in reality. The term "Cavalier" ~~was~~ in common use during the 17th century as supporters of King Charles I of England, who is famous for losing the English Civil War and having his head lopped off by Parliament as a result. ~~Cavaliers were named as such for their preference for fighting on horseback~~, which lent itself substantially to ~~the~~ feared reputation ~~of the Royalist cavalry~~ in the early stages of the civil war. However, they were prone to indiscipline and had a nasty habit of breaking up after the charge to go loot the baggage. This issue was not remedied in later stages of the war, which saw the Parliamentarian cavalry become their equals and the Royalists losing much of their battlefield advantage because of this indiscipline.		These aspersions actually have some solid grounding in reality. The very term "Cavalier" has cognates in French (''chevalier''), Spanish (''caballero'') and even in Byzantine Greek; the term had clearly replaced the Classical Latin "equestrian" as of Late Antiquity for an armed horseman who may or may not own the full rights and duties of a knight. As a horse specialist, his lighter armor and special sword put him at a disadvantage should he lose his mount and face some [[Game_of_Thrones\|Gregor Clegane]] in full plate.

			The term remained in common use during the 17th century as supporters of King Charles I of England, who is famous for losing the English Civil War and having his head lopped off by Parliament as a result. Because the Royalists had the physical land to support a cavalry, they started off better at it; which lent itself substantially to their feared reputation in the early stages of the civil war. However, they were prone to indiscipline and had a nasty habit of breaking up after the charge to go loot the baggage. This issue was not remedied in later stages of the war, which saw the Parliamentarian cavalry become their equals and the Royalists losing much of their battlefield advantage because of this indiscipline.

	==Pathfinder==		==Pathfinder==

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	Cavalier's big customization option is their choice of from a variety of "Knightly Orders," that give him additional benefits and customizability, but also require him to keep up a code of conduct. ''Unlike'' the [[paladin]]'s code, though, not all of these "codes of conduct" are pure Lawful Good stuff, and many vary heavily from order to order. While these do have a code of conduct, not all of these "codes of conduct" are pure Lawful Good stuff, and many are pretty manageable, and the only penalty for violating it is losing one of their less important abilities for 24 hours and many are total non-issues. For example, an Order of the Cockatrice Cavalier is one of the more restrictive ones yet is basically automatic for any adventurer: They must work to advance themselves, never accept less than an equal share of the loot, must accept payment when it's given, and keep their interests above others, none of which is actually evil.		Cavalier's big customization option is their choice of from a variety of "Knightly Orders," that give him additional benefits and customizability, but also require him to keep up a code of conduct. ''Unlike'' the [[paladin]]'s code, though, not all of these "codes of conduct" are pure Lawful Good stuff, and many vary heavily from order to order. While these do have a code of conduct, not all of these "codes of conduct" are pure Lawful Good stuff, and many are pretty manageable, and the only penalty for violating it is losing one of their less important abilities for 24 hours and many are total non-issues. For example, an Order of the Cockatrice Cavalier is one of the more restrictive ones yet is basically automatic for any adventurer: They must work to advance themselves, never accept less than an equal share of the loot, must accept payment when it's given, and keep their interests above others, none of which is actually evil.

	Cavalier's other class features are Challenge, a weaker smite without target restrictions, Tactician, which grants allies various Teamwork feats, and Banner, a small passive buff to allies who can see your banner. Unfortunately, Cavalier has no customization past first level aside from feat selection (including the one from Tactician). Theoretically it picks what stats increase its animal companion gets, but there’s no reason to choose anything but one point of intelligence and the rest to strength. ~~Paizo also really~~, ~~really hated~~ the ~~idea of them getting any mount more useful than~~ a ~~normal horse~~, so all ~~options provided were extremely excessive costly and full~~ of ~~nonsense hoops. This was really bizarre since Ranger and Druid have been able to get a Roc since the Bestiary (Read: Core)~~.		Cavalier's other class features are Challenge, a weaker smite without target restrictions, Tactician, which grants allies various Teamwork feats, and Banner, a small passive buff to allies who can see your banner. Unfortunately, Cavalier has no customization past first level aside from feat selection (including the one from Tactician). Theoretically it picks what stats increase its animal companion gets, but there’s no reason to choose anything but one point of intelligence and the rest to strength. Note that the Beast Rider archetype is borderline-mandatory, so much so that many people legitimately have no idea it's ''not'' the baseline Cavalier, trading the mostly-useless ability to train other animals for a bigger, more powerful mount that can potentially scale up across all levels of play.

	Curiously for a non-core class Cavalier has two of the more worthwhile non-core [[Prestige Class]]es devoted to them. The first, Battle Herald, focuses on the commander aspect by progressing the [[Bard]]'s Inspire Courage alongside full BAB at the cost of mount progression, a cost which can be avoided a few ways or ignored entirely by trading it for something more useful. The second, Mammoth Rider, focuses on making the mount a giant, powerful engine of death. While this does exacerbate the problem of taking your mount anywhere that's not a wide open wilderness, it's a lot more powerful when it can bring their giant saber-tooth tiger along. One massive oversight of the class is its skill list contains no Knowledge skills, so they're not very good at recognizing nobility.		Curiously for a non-core class Cavalier has two of the more worthwhile non-core [[Prestige Class]]es devoted to them. The first, Battle Herald, focuses on the commander aspect by progressing the [[Bard]]'s Inspire Courage alongside full BAB at the cost of mount progression, a cost which can be avoided a few ways or ignored entirely by trading it for something more useful. The second, Mammoth Rider, focuses on making the mount a giant, powerful engine of death. While this does exacerbate the problem of taking your mount anywhere that's not a wide open wilderness, it's a lot more powerful when it can bring their giant saber-tooth tiger along. One massive oversight of the class is its skill list contains no Knowledge skills, so they're not very good at recognizing nobility.

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	Cavalier was cut from the class list of [[Pathfinder Second Edition]], being reduced to an archetype (archetypes here being essentially a chain of feats to take in place of class feats) during the 2018 playtest. And even then, it didn't appear in the CRB. It would only appear in the Advanced Player's Guide, alongside a bunch of other non-class archetypes.		Cavalier was cut from the class list of [[Pathfinder Second Edition]], being reduced to an archetype (archetypes here being essentially a chain of feats to take in place of class feats) during the 2018 playtest. And even then, it didn't appear in the CRB. It would only appear in the Advanced Player's Guide, alongside a bunch of other non-class archetypes.

	This version of the cavalier gives you a riding mount off the bat, which not many classes can do ~~off the bat~~ (~~that number being two:~~ [[Druid]] and [[Ranger]], while [[Paladin\|Champion]] has to wait a few levels) but requires proficiency in either Society or Nature. This feat tree includes the mandatory pet-progression feats that come with owning a pet, but it also has several ways of taking the sting off of owning a mount, like using your AC to protect the steed, mounting on and moving in a single action and being able to move twice while also attacking. It even provides that token banner feature the class had, adding that token +1 to Will.		This version of the cavalier gives you a riding mount off the bat, which not many classes can do ([[Druid]] and [[Ranger]], while [[Paladin\|Champion]] has to wait a few levels) but requires proficiency in either Society or Nature. This feat tree includes the mandatory pet-progression feats that come with owning a pet, but it also has several ways of taking the sting off of owning a mount, like using your AC to protect the steed, mounting on and moving in a single action and being able to move twice while also attacking. It even provides that token banner feature the class had, adding that token +1 to Will.

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