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	The '''Celestial Lions''' (calling them "Celestial ''Loins''" would be a joke in poor taste, given their tremendous losses of late) are a chapter of [[Space Marines]] in the [[Warhammer 40,000]] universe. They are an object lesson of what happens to people who try and mess with the [[Inquisition]] without serious backup (like being a [[First Founding]] chapter and/or [[Space Wolves\|staying at legion strength]]). It is unknown if the Inquisition is going to survive the return object lesson of what happens to those who fuck with the Space Marines. Especially Space Marines who are now best-buds with the Black Templars. With Guilliman's return, who has an express zero tolerance for stupid waste, especially with that [[Great Rift\|big new jelly stain covering the galactic map]], that return object lesson is now pretty much assured. They are part of the Adeptus Vaelarii guarding over the Elara's Veil region of space.		The '''Celestial Lions''' (calling them "Celestial ''Loins''" would be a joke in poor taste, given their tremendous losses of late) are a chapter of [[Space Marines]] in the [[Warhammer 40,000]] universe. They are an object lesson of what happens to people who try and mess with the [[Inquisition]] without serious backup (like being a [[First Founding]] chapter and/or [[Space Wolves\|staying at legion strength]]). It is unknown if the Inquisition is going to survive the return object lesson of what happens to those who fuck with the Space Marines. Especially Space Marines who are now best-buds with the Black Templars. With Guilliman's return, who has an express zero tolerance for stupid waste, especially with that [[Great Rift\|big new jelly stain covering the galactic map]], that return object lesson is now pretty much assured. They are part of the Adeptus Vaelarii guarding over the Elara's Veil region of space.

	== Chapter Culture==		==Chapter Culture==
	The Celestial Lions are a very brotherly, compassionate chapter, whose fraternal nature comes from the fact that they only recruit from the warrior tribes of the world Elysium IX. As they all come from a culture that values community, legacy, and courage, all the Lions hold those values as paramount. More than most other chapters, their world's culture holds sway in their conduct. The Lions are very informal to those within their own ranks, with even basic battle brothers talking to their superiors as brothers and equals, though they are disciplined on the battlefield and they show great respect to the officers of other forces, particularly the other [[Black Templars\|sons]] [[Imperial fists\|of]] [[Crimson Fists\|Dorn]]. Another quirk of their chapter culture is the [[Space Wolves\|value they place on storytelling and the great respect they give to talented storytellers]]. Within their chapter it is common for a squad to gather and tell stories of their heroes and their own exploits before an engagement. If an outsider is present in one of their ships or bases the visitor is expected to pay for their "food and fire" by telling a story from their own people's legends or that individuals exploits and as such they love serving alongside Guardsmen for the [[Ollanius Pius\|stories]] [[Ciaphas Cain\|they]] [[Commissar Yarrick\|tell]]. Though they are very different from their [[imperial fists\|typical]] [[Black Templars\|grim]] cousin chapters, they are proud sons of [[Rogal Dorn\|Dorn]] through and through. Most of this can be inferred from the short story in the Helsreach book.		The Celestial Lions are a very brotherly, compassionate chapter, whose fraternal nature comes from the fact that they only recruit from the warrior tribes of the world Elysium IX. As they all come from a culture that values community, legacy, and courage, all the Lions hold those values as paramount. More than most other chapters, their world's culture holds sway in their conduct. The Lions are very informal to those within their own ranks, with even basic battle brothers talking to their superiors as brothers and equals, though they are disciplined on the battlefield and they show great respect to the officers of other forces, particularly the other [[Black Templars\|sons]] [[Imperial fists\|of]] [[Crimson Fists\|Dorn]]. Another quirk of their chapter culture is the [[Space Wolves\|value they place on storytelling and the great respect they give to talented storytellers]]. Within their chapter it is common for a squad to gather and tell stories of their heroes and their own exploits before an engagement. If an outsider is present in one of their ships or bases the visitor is expected to pay for their "food and fire" by telling a story from their own people's legends or that individuals exploits and as such they love serving alongside Guardsmen for the [[Ollanius Pius\|stories]] [[Ciaphas Cain\|they]] [[Commissar Yarrick\|tell]]. Though they are very different from their [[imperial fists\|typical]] [[Black Templars\|grim]] cousin chapters, they are proud sons of [[Rogal Dorn\|Dorn]] through and through. Most of this can be inferred from the short story in the Helsreach book.

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	If anything, their stubbornness proves they are true sons of Rogal Dorn.		If anything, their stubbornness proves they are true sons of Rogal Dorn.

	==Third War for Armageddon==		==Third War for Armageddon==
	[[File:Celestial Lions Astartes.png\|thumb\|right\|200px\|They're as badass as they look]]		[[File:Celestial Lions Astartes.png\|thumb\|right\|200px\|They're as badass as they look]]
	Fast-forward to the Third War for [[Armageddon]]. The entire chapter was deployed to a single hive, and thanks to spectacularly bad intelligence they ended up outnumbered, unsupported, and taking heavy losses at every battle, culminating in a mission in which the supposedly inactive Gargants they were sent to destroy proved to have been lying in wait for them along with several [[Ork]] warbands backing them up- all of which had apparently been warned of the Lions' planned attack some time beforehand. Matters came to a head when "[[Vindicare Assassin\|Ork snipers]]" managed to take out most of the survivors (especially the Apothecaries), and their last [[Apothecary]] was found dead next to the Chapter's last [[Land Raider]] (having been shot through the head with a [[lasgun]] at point blank range and the gene-seed he was carrying stolen), leaving them without any means to recover the [[gene-seed]] from their fallen. The remaining 95 Lions realized that they had been marked for death and decided that they would fight off all the Orks on Armageddon or die trying, and contacted [[Grimaldus\|Chaplain Grimaldus]] of the [[Black Templars]] to administer their last rites, but he insisted that the remainder of the Chapter could still restore its honour (and thus be allowed to leave) by slaying the warlord leading the Ork forces in the area. To support his weakened cousins Grimaldus used his influence as the 'Hero of Helsreach' to get support from several regiments of [[Imperial Guard]]. While much of the remaining forces of the Celestial Lions were wiped out in the attack, they were successful in redeeming themselves when Ekene Dubaku killed the Orkish Warlord with Grimaldus's help. What's more, it is mentioned Orks' structures in the valley were sabotaged during battle by an unknown force, presumably, Inquisition's own operatives, taking some pressure off the besieging forces. So it was all but stayed the Inquisition abandoned their campaign against the remaining Lions either because the lesson had been thoroughly learnt and the Black Templars were now aware of their traitorous activity or some other Inquisitor(s) became privy to the whole thing and chastised the ones who committed it. [[Aaron_Dembski-Bowden\|ADB]] must have been drunk while writing this, because it makes too much sense in-universe for his style, so it was later retconned. Ekene, the Lions only surviving Pride Leader (i.e. Squad Sergeant) was then named the new Chapter Master and given a couple of parting gifts by High Marshal Helbrecht himself: a suit of relic Imperial Fists power armor dating back to the [[Great Crusade]] along with a matching Relic Blade and the Strike Cruiser ''Blade of the Seventh Son''.		Fast-forward to the Third War for [[Armageddon]]. The entire chapter was deployed to a single hive, and thanks to spectacularly bad intelligence they ended up outnumbered, unsupported, and taking heavy losses at every battle, culminating in a mission in which the supposedly inactive Gargants they were sent to destroy proved to have been lying in wait for them along with several [[Ork]] warbands backing them up- all of which had apparently been warned of the Lions' planned attack some time beforehand. Matters came to a head when "[[Vindicare Assassin\|Ork snipers]]" managed to take out most of the survivors (especially the Apothecaries), and their last [[Apothecary]] was found dead next to the Chapter's last [[Land Raider]] (having been shot through the head with a [[lasgun]] at point blank range and the gene-seed he was carrying stolen), leaving them without any means to recover the [[gene-seed]] from their fallen. The remaining 95 Lions realized that they had been marked for death and decided that they would fight off all the Orks on Armageddon or die trying, and contacted [[Grimaldus\|Chaplain Grimaldus]] of the [[Black Templars]] to administer their last rites, but he insisted that the remainder of the Chapter could still restore its honour (and thus be allowed to leave) by slaying the warlord leading the Ork forces in the area. To support his weakened cousins Grimaldus used his influence as the 'Hero of Helsreach' to get support from several regiments of [[Imperial Guard]]. While much of the remaining forces of the Celestial Lions were wiped out in the attack, they were successful in redeeming themselves when Ekene Dubaku killed the Orkish Warlord with Grimaldus's help. What's more, it is mentioned Orks' structures in the valley were sabotaged during battle by an unknown force, presumably, Inquisition's own operatives, taking some pressure off the besieging forces. So it was all but stayed the Inquisition abandoned their campaign against the remaining Lions either because the lesson had been thoroughly learnt and the Black Templars were now aware of their traitorous activity or some other Inquisitor(s) became privy to the whole thing and chastised the ones who committed it. [[Aaron_Dembski-Bowden\|ADB]] must have been drunk while writing this, because it makes too much sense in-universe for his style, so it was later retconned. Ekene, the Lions only surviving Pride Leader (i.e. Squad Sergeant) was then named the new Chapter Master and given a couple of parting gifts by High Marshal Helbrecht himself: a suit of relic Imperial Fists power armor dating back to the [[Great Crusade]] along with a matching Relic Blade and the Strike Cruiser ''Blade of the Seventh Son''.
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	Now let's talk about that retcon mentioned earlier. You would think with the Indomitus Crusade going on, it's more than likely Guilliman sent some Primaris Marines to rebuild the Lions, right? RIGHT?!? NOPE, as it turns out, this is not the case; the Inquisition's saltiness was so severe that [[derp\|they ended up never actually getting the information to CREATE PRIMARIS MARINES]] and had to get the information from their brother chapter the [[Emperor's Spears]]. It's not explicitly explained as to how that happened, but presumably they just weren't included in any relief fleets' destinations (and since those usually have Custodes to ...[[BLAM\|convince]] anyone not accepting of NuMarines, one must wonder how did this come to pass).		Now let's talk about that retcon mentioned earlier. You would think with the Indomitus Crusade going on, it's more than likely Guilliman sent some Primaris Marines to rebuild the Lions, right? RIGHT?!? NOPE, as it turns out, this is not the case; the Inquisition's saltiness was so severe that [[derp\|they ended up never actually getting the information to CREATE PRIMARIS MARINES]] and had to get the information from their brother chapter the [[Emperor's Spears]]. It's not explicitly explained as to how that happened, but presumably they just weren't included in any relief fleets' destinations (and since those usually have Custodes to ...[[BLAM\|convince]] anyone not accepting of NuMarines, one must wonder how did this come to pass).

	The salt continues to flow for the Inquisition when in the novel ''Spear of the Emperor'', it's stated that Ekene Dubaku was beheaded by a [[Callidus]] posing as thrall servant of Amadeus Kaias Incarius from the [[Mentors]]. So now the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, and the Mentors have dishonored and therefore majorly pissed off yet another Chapter ''and'' the Black Templars, and that's ignoring the fact that all sons of Dorn stick together, being the closest thing to a Legion of old, second only to the Dark Angels. Even if the Mentors were ignorant, then those other institutions have now pissed off three Chapters and all of their friends.		The salt continues to flow for the Inquisition when in the novel ''Spear of the Emperor'', it's stated that Ekene Dubaku was beheaded by a [[Callidus]] posing as thrall servant of Amadeus Kaias Incarius from the [[Mentors]]. So now the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, and the Mentors have dishonored and therefore majorly pissed off yet another Chapter ''and'' the Black Templars, and that's ignoring the fact that all sons of Dorn stick together, being the closest thing to a Legion of old, second only to the Dark Angels. Even if the Mentors were ignorant, then those other institutions have now pissed off three Chapters and all of their friends.

	Out of universe this further proves that ADB is a hack for killing off cool characters to shill his OCs (debatable inasmuch Ekene Dubaku is also his OC) and can't live a day without showing how bad and oppressive Imperium is: while the Imperium's closeminded fanaticism contributes to its grimdarkness, the post-Armageddon cleansing of the Celestial Lions contradicts established lore. No one, especially not nameless Inquisitors, have the power to just ignore multiple Space Marine chapters, and none but the Emperor himself have the authority to prevent the Custodes from reinforcing an obviously loyal chapter. The Inquisition like to claim that they speak with the Emperor's authority, but the Custodes ''actually'' do, and what's more, they don't have to announce it, because nearly everyone knows that it is so, and those few boneheaded exceptions are inevitably [[BLAM\|corrected]] before long.		Out of universe this further proves that ADB is a hack for killing off cool characters to shill his OCs (debatable inasmuch Ekene Dubaku is also his OC) and can't live a day without showing how bad and oppressive Imperium is: while the Imperium's closeminded fanaticism contributes to its grimdarkness, the post-Armageddon cleansing of the Celestial Lions contradicts established lore. No one, especially not nameless Inquisitors, have the power to just ignore multiple Space Marine chapters, and none but the Emperor himself have the authority to prevent the Custodes from reinforcing an obviously loyal chapter. The Inquisition like to claim that they speak with the Emperor's authority, but the Custodes ''actually'' do, and what's more, they don't have to announce it, because nearly everyone knows that it is so, and those few boneheaded exceptions are inevitably [[BLAM\|corrected]] before long.

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	{{topquote\|Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults, whoever rebukes the wicked incurs [[Blam\|abuse]].\|The Bible, Proverbs 9:7 (New International Version)}}		{{topquote\|Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults, whoever rebukes the [[Inquisition\|wicked]] incurs [[Blam\|abuse]].\|The Bible, Proverbs 9:7 (New International Version)}}

			{{topquote\|The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion.\|The Bible, Proverbs 28:1}}

	The '''Celestial Lions''' (calling them "Celestial ''Loins''" would be a joke in poor taste, given their tremendous losses of late) are a chapter of [[Space Marines]] in the [[Warhammer 40,000]] universe. They are an object lesson of what happens to people who try and mess with the [[Inquisition]] without serious backup (like being a [[First Founding]] chapter and/or [[Space Wolves\|staying at legion strength]]). It is unknown if the Inquisition is going to survive the return object lesson of what happens to those who fuck with the Space Marines. Especially Space Marines who are now best-buds with the Black Templars. With Guilliman's return, who has an express zero tolerance for stupid waste, especially with that [[Great Rift\|big new jelly stain covering the galactic map]], that return object lesson is now pretty much assured. They are part of the Adeptus Vaelarii guarding over the Elara's Veil region of space.		The '''Celestial Lions''' (calling them "Celestial ''Loins''" would be a joke in poor taste, given their tremendous losses of late) are a chapter of [[Space Marines]] in the [[Warhammer 40,000]] universe. They are an object lesson of what happens to people who try and mess with the [[Inquisition]] without serious backup (like being a [[First Founding]] chapter and/or [[Space Wolves\|staying at legion strength]]). It is unknown if the Inquisition is going to survive the return object lesson of what happens to those who fuck with the Space Marines. Especially Space Marines who are now best-buds with the Black Templars. With Guilliman's return, who has an express zero tolerance for stupid waste, especially with that [[Great Rift\|big new jelly stain covering the galactic map]], that return object lesson is now pretty much assured. They are part of the Adeptus Vaelarii guarding over the Elara's Veil region of space.

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	However, with the murder of the Chapter Master, the chapters allied to the Lion's have had enough. Which chapters? The Emperor's Spears, and the motherfucking Black Templars to start. With both saying that if an inquisitor shows their face near a Lion, the Templars will go to war for the Lions, and the Inquisition can probably rule out the acquiescence from any other sons of Dorn. Furthermore, the Celestial Lions would have no trouble finding additional allies; the Space Wolves are the obvious first example, but the Dark Angels and Ultramarines, as well as many of their descendant chapters, not to mention both of their recently returned respective primarchs, would probably be amenable to the plight of the Celestial Lions.		However, with the murder of the Chapter Master, the chapters allied to the Lion's have had enough. Which chapters? The Emperor's Spears, and the motherfucking Black Templars to start. With both saying that if an inquisitor shows their face near a Lion, the Templars will go to war for the Lions, and the Inquisition can probably rule out the acquiescence from any other sons of Dorn. Furthermore, the Celestial Lions would have no trouble finding additional allies; the Space Wolves are the obvious first example, but the Dark Angels and Ultramarines, as well as many of their descendant chapters, not to mention both of their recently returned respective primarchs, would probably be amenable to the plight of the Celestial Lions.

	Regardless, '''WHEN''' this gets back to Guilliman and make no mistake, it ~~will~~, some heretics are gonna die and the Inquisition itself could take a major hit. Frankly put, the Inquisition has simply made too many enemies of late, while simultaneously not producing sufficient levels of success; abusing their authority, and ultimately damaging the Imperium as a whole. While [[Malcador_the_Sigillite\|a mere human]] opposing [[Rogal Dorn\|a son of the Emperor]] is not without precedent, knowing the circumstances, those responsible are likely to be be executed by their own colleagues to, at the very least, minimize the damage to their public image; all the more so since more and more in recent fluff, we're seeing the Inquisition is painfully aware that it's on notice. That is, as long as the author who gets to write it has at least a single functioning brain cell.		Regardless, '''WHEN''' this gets back to Guilliman, and make no mistake, it '''WILL''', some heretics are gonna die and the Inquisition itself could take a major hit. Frankly put, the Inquisition has simply made too many enemies of late, while simultaneously not producing sufficient levels of success; abusing their authority, and ultimately damaging the Imperium as a whole. While [[Malcador_the_Sigillite\|a mere human]] opposing [[Rogal Dorn\|a son of the Emperor]] is not without precedent, knowing the circumstances, those responsible are likely to be be executed by their own colleagues to, at the very least, minimize the damage to their public image; all the more so since more and more in recent fluff, we're seeing the Inquisition is painfully aware that it's on notice. That is, as long as the author who gets to write it has at least a single functioning brain cell.

	==Trivia==		==Trivia==

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	Out of universe this further proves that ADB is a hack for killing off cool characters to shill his OCs (debatable inasmuch Ekene Dubaku is also his OC) and can't live a day without showing how bad and oppressive Imperium is: while the Imperium's closeminded fanaticism contributes to its grimdarkness, the post-Armageddon cleansing of the Celestial Lions contradicts established lore. No one, especially not nameless Inquisitors, have the power to just ignore multiple Space Marine chapters, and none but the Emperor himself have the authority to prevent the Custodes from reinforcing an obviously loyal chapter. The Inquisition like to claim that they speak with the Emperor's authority, but the Custodes ''actually'' do, and what's more, they don't have to announce it, because nearly everyone knows that it is so, and those few boneheaded exceptions are inevitably [[BLAM\|corrected]] before long.		Out of universe this further proves that ADB is a hack for killing off cool characters to shill his OCs (debatable inasmuch Ekene Dubaku is also his OC) and can't live a day without showing how bad and oppressive Imperium is: while the Imperium's closeminded fanaticism contributes to its grimdarkness, the post-Armageddon cleansing of the Celestial Lions contradicts established lore. No one, especially not nameless Inquisitors, have the power to just ignore multiple Space Marine chapters, and none but the Emperor himself have the authority to prevent the Custodes from reinforcing an obviously loyal chapter. The Inquisition like to claim that they speak with the Emperor's authority, but the Custodes ''actually'' do, and what's more, they don't have to announce it, because nearly everyone knows that it is so, and those few boneheaded exceptions are inevitably [[BLAM\|corrected]] before long.

	ADB's hamfisted heavyhandedness runs counter to logic, and this obviously, this results in grimderp fluff. In universe on the other hand: "Ork snipers" could have been accepted for a time, grots are on the level of the human with the same ballistic skill after all, and it's not like there is concrete proof of Assassins being involved in this one: after all, each Inquisitor has a retinue, some being the size of small armies, so finding snipers shouldn't have been a problem. But now the Assassinorum has openly been involved in what most definitely qualifies as treason. Of course, on paper at least, '''EVERY''' use of an Officio Assassinorum operative requires authorization of the Imperial Senate (and there is a special minor Ordo with the sole purpose of ensuring this fact), but this is forgotten once again for the sake of the story; alternatively, this could be explained away as an Inquisitor exceeding his remit [far from uncommon, especially in ADB's work] and appropriating the use of an assassin already in the field. There's also the further complication that recent fluff has made it explicitly clear that the Officio Assassinorum's reverence for the Emperor and HIS law is marrow-deep, and that staying focused on the art of killing in service to the Master of Mankind allows them to stay largely clear of the internecine politicking that often plagues the other branches of government; however, the Officio does not take kindly to attempts by third-parties to infiltrate their organization, and even less kindly to being co-opted by anyone not granted the authority to do so. Guilliman, a primarch, and son of the Emperor, appointed Imperial Regent by his father, which was confirmed by a High Lord of Terra, Captain-General Trajan Valoris, has that authority. Some nobody Inquisitor, or even Inquisitor Lord does not. So it may very well be that the Inquisition has also added itself to the Assassinorum's shit-list as a result of this petty dumbfuckery as well.		ADB's hamfisted heavyhandedness runs counter to logic, and this obviously, this results in grimderp fluff. In universe on the other hand: "Ork snipers" could have been accepted for a time, grots are on the level of the human with the same ballistic skill after all, and it's not like there is concrete proof of Assassins being involved in this one: after all, each Inquisitor has a retinue, some being the size of small armies, so finding snipers shouldn't have been a problem. But now the Assassinorum has openly been involved in what most definitely qualifies as treason. Of course, on paper at least, '''EVERY''' use of an Officio Assassinorum operative requires authorization of the Imperial Senate (and there is a special minor Ordo with the sole purpose of ensuring this fact), but this is forgotten once again for the sake of the story; alternatively, this could be explained away as an Inquisitor exceeding his remit [far from uncommon, especially in ADB's work] and appropriating the use of an assassin already in the field.

			There's also the further complication that recent fluff has made it explicitly clear that the Officio Assassinorum's reverence for the Emperor and HIS law is marrow-deep, and that staying focused on the art of killing in service to the Master of Mankind allows them to stay largely clear of the internecine politicking that often plagues the other branches of government; however, the Officio does not take kindly to attempts by third-parties to infiltrate their organization, and even less kindly to being co-opted by anyone not granted the authority to do so. Guilliman, a primarch, and son of the Emperor, appointed Imperial Regent by his father, which was confirmed by a High Lord of Terra, Captain-General Trajan Valoris, has that authority. Some nobody Inquisitor, or even Inquisitor Lord does not. So it may very well be that the Inquisition has also added itself to the Assassinorum's shit-list as a result of this petty dumbfuckery as well.

	Receiving Inquisitorial permission or orders to kill a Chapter for enforcing the Emperor's law is... complicated to say the least. Getting the resources to actually manage it also presents a problem. Another point is that the Inquisition itself is not a single entity, with a complex net of counterbalances ensuring one person (or even a whole cabal of them) don't wield too much power without answering to anyone, effectively policing itself. For example, [[Kryptman]] and Inquisitors who supported him in destroying numerous worlds were excommunicated despite his Exterminatus campaign turning out to be justified. And we as readers are meant to believe the Inquisitors responsible for the initial incident with the Celestials Lions are not only not punished for their deeds, but gathered enough support to continue their bullshit unopposed ''for one hundred years''.		Receiving Inquisitorial permission or orders to kill a Chapter for enforcing the Emperor's law is... complicated to say the least. Getting the resources to actually manage it also presents a problem. Another point is that the Inquisition itself is not a single entity, with a complex net of counterbalances ensuring one person (or even a whole cabal of them) don't wield too much power without answering to anyone, effectively policing itself. For example, [[Kryptman]] and Inquisitors who supported him in destroying numerous worlds were excommunicated despite his Exterminatus campaign turning out to be justified. And we as readers are meant to believe the Inquisitors responsible for the initial incident with the Celestials Lions are not only not punished for their deeds, but gathered enough support to continue their bullshit unopposed ''for one hundred years''.

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	Out of universe this further proves that ADB is a hack for killing off cool characters to shill his OCs (debatable inasmuch Ekene Dubaku is also his OC) and can't live a day without showing how bad and oppressive Imperium is: while the Imperium's closeminded fanaticism contributes to its grimdarkness, the post-Armageddon cleansing of the Celestial Lions contradicts established lore. No one, especially not nameless Inquisitors, have the power to just ignore multiple Space Marine chapters, and none but the Emperor himself have the authority to prevent the Custodes from reinforcing an obviously loyal chapter. The Inquisition like to claim that they speak with the Emperor's authority, but the Custodes ''actually'' do, and what's more, they don't have to announce it, because nearly everyone knows that it is so, and those few boneheaded exceptions are inevitably [[BLAM\|corrected]] before long.		Out of universe this further proves that ADB is a hack for killing off cool characters to shill his OCs (debatable inasmuch Ekene Dubaku is also his OC) and can't live a day without showing how bad and oppressive Imperium is: while the Imperium's closeminded fanaticism contributes to its grimdarkness, the post-Armageddon cleansing of the Celestial Lions contradicts established lore. No one, especially not nameless Inquisitors, have the power to just ignore multiple Space Marine chapters, and none but the Emperor himself have the authority to prevent the Custodes from reinforcing an obviously loyal chapter. The Inquisition like to claim that they speak with the Emperor's authority, but the Custodes ''actually'' do, and what's more, they don't have to announce it, because nearly everyone knows that it is so, and those few boneheaded exceptions are inevitably [[BLAM\|corrected]] before long.

	ADB's hamfisted heavyhandedness runs counter to logic, and this obviously, this results in grimderp fluff. In universe on the other hand: "Ork snipers" could have been accepted for a time, grots are on the level of the human with the same ballistic skill after all, and it's not like there is concrete proof of Assassins being involved in this one: after all, each Inquisitor has a retinue, some being the size of small armies, so finding snipers shouldn't have been a problem. But now the Assassinorum has openly been involved in what most definitely qualifies as treason. Of course, on paper at least, '''EVERY''' use of an Officio Assassinorum operative requires authorization of the Imperial Senate (and there is a special minor Ordo with the sole purpose of ensuring this fact), but this is forgotten once again for the sake of the story; alternatively, this could be explained away as an Inquisitor exceeding his remit [far from uncommon, especially in ADB's work] and appropriating the use of an assassin already in the field. There's also the further complication that recent fluff has made it explicitly clear that the Officio Assassinorum's reverence for the Emperor and HIS law is marrow-deep, and that staying focused on the art of killing in service to the Master of Mankind allows them to stay largely clear of the internecine politicking that often plagues the other branches of government; however, the Officio does not take kindly to attempts by third-parties to infiltrate their organization, and even less kindly to being co-opted by anyone not granted the authority to do so. Guilliman, a primarch, and son of the Emperor, appointed Imperial Regent by his father, which was confirmed by a High Lord of Terra, Captain-General Trajan Valoris, has that authority. Some nobody Inquisitor, or even Inquisitor Lord does not.		ADB's hamfisted heavyhandedness runs counter to logic, and this obviously, this results in grimderp fluff. In universe on the other hand: "Ork snipers" could have been accepted for a time, grots are on the level of the human with the same ballistic skill after all, and it's not like there is concrete proof of Assassins being involved in this one: after all, each Inquisitor has a retinue, some being the size of small armies, so finding snipers shouldn't have been a problem. But now the Assassinorum has openly been involved in what most definitely qualifies as treason. Of course, on paper at least, '''EVERY''' use of an Officio Assassinorum operative requires authorization of the Imperial Senate (and there is a special minor Ordo with the sole purpose of ensuring this fact), but this is forgotten once again for the sake of the story; alternatively, this could be explained away as an Inquisitor exceeding his remit [far from uncommon, especially in ADB's work] and appropriating the use of an assassin already in the field. There's also the further complication that recent fluff has made it explicitly clear that the Officio Assassinorum's reverence for the Emperor and HIS law is marrow-deep, and that staying focused on the art of killing in service to the Master of Mankind allows them to stay largely clear of the internecine politicking that often plagues the other branches of government; however, the Officio does not take kindly to attempts by third-parties to infiltrate their organization, and even less kindly to being co-opted by anyone not granted the authority to do so. Guilliman, a primarch, and son of the Emperor, appointed Imperial Regent by his father, which was confirmed by a High Lord of Terra, Captain-General Trajan Valoris, has that authority. Some nobody Inquisitor, or even Inquisitor Lord does not. So it may very well be that the Inquisition has also added itself to the Assassinorum's shit-list as a result of this petty dumbfuckery as well.

	Receiving Inquisitorial permission or orders to kill a Chapter for enforcing the Emperor's law is... complicated to say the least. Getting the resources to actually manage it also presents a problem. Another point is that the Inquisition itself is not a single entity, with a complex net of counterbalances ensuring one person (or even a whole cabal of them) don't wield too much power without answering to anyone, effectively policing itself. For example, [[Kryptman]] and Inquisitors who supported him in destroying numerous worlds were excommunicated despite his Exterminatus campaign turning out to be justified. And we as readers are meant to believe the Inquisitors responsible for the initial incident with the Celestials Lions are not only not punished for their deeds, but gathered enough support to continue their bullshit unopposed ''for one hundred years''.		Receiving Inquisitorial permission or orders to kill a Chapter for enforcing the Emperor's law is... complicated to say the least. Getting the resources to actually manage it also presents a problem. Another point is that the Inquisition itself is not a single entity, with a complex net of counterbalances ensuring one person (or even a whole cabal of them) don't wield too much power without answering to anyone, effectively policing itself. For example, [[Kryptman]] and Inquisitors who supported him in destroying numerous worlds were excommunicated despite his Exterminatus campaign turning out to be justified. And we as readers are meant to believe the Inquisitors responsible for the initial incident with the Celestials Lions are not only not punished for their deeds, but gathered enough support to continue their bullshit unopposed ''for one hundred years''.

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Ultimate Fate

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	The Lions are now working to rebuild with the help of a temporary detachment of Black Templar specialists, including some apothecaries and techmarines. Though it'll be hard considering there's less than ninety-five of them left and their homeworld is nuked, another Imperial Fists successor chapter recovered from near-extinction in less than a century after being reduced to 12 Marines in total. Plus, while the Inquisition may get away with bullying later-founded chapters, it would be tantamount to suicide for anyone to mess with the [[Black Templars\|largest space marine chapter]] excluding the [[Dark Angels]] <strike>legion</strike>.		The Lions are now working to rebuild with the help of a temporary detachment of Black Templar specialists, including some apothecaries and techmarines. Though it'll be hard considering there's less than ninety-five of them left and their homeworld is nuked, another Imperial Fists successor chapter recovered from near-extinction in less than a century after being reduced to 12 Marines in total. Plus, while the Inquisition may get away with bullying later-founded chapters, it would be tantamount to suicide for anyone to mess with the [[Black Templars\|largest space marine chapter]] excluding the [[Dark Angels]] <strike>legion</strike>.

	Now let's talk about that retcon mentioned earlier. You would think with the Indomitus Crusade going on, it's more than likely Guilliman sent some Primaris Marines to rebuild the Lions, right? RIGHT?!? NOPE, turns out, this is not the case; the Inquisition's saltiness was so severe that [[derp\|they ended up never actually getting the information to CREATE PRIMARIS MARINES]] and had to get the information from their brother chapter the [[Emperor's Spears]]. It's not explicitly explained as to how that happened, but presumably they just weren't included in any relief fleets' destinations (and since those usually have Custodes to ...[[BLAM\|convince]] anyone not accepting of NuMarines, one must wonder how did this come to pass).		Now let's talk about that retcon mentioned earlier. You would think with the Indomitus Crusade going on, it's more than likely Guilliman sent some Primaris Marines to rebuild the Lions, right? RIGHT?!? NOPE, as it turns out, this is not the case; the Inquisition's saltiness was so severe that [[derp\|they ended up never actually getting the information to CREATE PRIMARIS MARINES]] and had to get the information from their brother chapter the [[Emperor's Spears]]. It's not explicitly explained as to how that happened, but presumably they just weren't included in any relief fleets' destinations (and since those usually have Custodes to ...[[BLAM\|convince]] anyone not accepting of NuMarines, one must wonder how did this come to pass).

	The salt continues to flow for the Inquisition when in the novel ''Spear of the Emperor'', it's stated that Ekene Dubaku was beheaded by a [[Callidus]] posing as thrall servant of Amadeus Kaias Incarius from the [[Mentors]]. So now the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, and the Mentors have dishonored and therefore majorly pissed off yet another Chapter ''and'' the Black Templars, and that's ignoring the fact that all sons of Dorn stick together, being the closest thing to a Legion of old, second only to the Dark Angels. Even if the Mentors were ignorant, then those other institutions have now pissed off three Chapters and all of their friends.		The salt continues to flow for the Inquisition when in the novel ''Spear of the Emperor'', it's stated that Ekene Dubaku was beheaded by a [[Callidus]] posing as thrall servant of Amadeus Kaias Incarius from the [[Mentors]]. So now the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, and the Mentors have dishonored and therefore majorly pissed off yet another Chapter ''and'' the Black Templars, and that's ignoring the fact that all sons of Dorn stick together, being the closest thing to a Legion of old, second only to the Dark Angels. Even if the Mentors were ignorant, then those other institutions have now pissed off three Chapters and all of their friends.

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	The Lions are now working to rebuild with the help of a temporary detachment of Black Templar specialists, including some apothecaries and techmarines. Though it'll be hard considering there's less than ninety-five of them left and their homeworld is nuked, another Imperial Fists successor chapter recovered from near-extinction in less than a century after being reduced to 12 Marines in total. Plus, while the Inquisition may get away with bullying later-founded chapters, it would be tantamount to suicide for anyone to mess with the [[Black Templars\|largest space marine chapter]] excluding the [[Dark Angels]] <strike>legion</strike>.		The Lions are now working to rebuild with the help of a temporary detachment of Black Templar specialists, including some apothecaries and techmarines. Though it'll be hard considering there's less than ninety-five of them left and their homeworld is nuked, another Imperial Fists successor chapter recovered from near-extinction in less than a century after being reduced to 12 Marines in total. Plus, while the Inquisition may get away with bullying later-founded chapters, it would be tantamount to suicide for anyone to mess with the [[Black Templars\|largest space marine chapter]] excluding the [[Dark Angels]] <strike>legion</strike>.

	Now let's talk about that retcon mentioned earlier. You would think with the Indomitus Crusade going on, it's more than likely Guilliman sent some Primaris Marines to rebuild the Lions, right? RIGHT?!? NOPE, ~~TURNS OUT~~, this is not the case; the Inquisition's saltiness was so severe that [[derp\|they ended up never actually getting the information to CREATE PRIMARIS MARINES]] and had to get the information from their brother chapter the [[Emperor's Spears]]. It's not explicitly explained as to how that happened, but presumably they just weren't included in any relief fleets' destinations (and since those usually have Custodes to ...[[BLAM\|convince]] anyone not accepting of NuMarines, one must wonder how did this come to pass).		Now let's talk about that retcon mentioned earlier. You would think with the Indomitus Crusade going on, it's more than likely Guilliman sent some Primaris Marines to rebuild the Lions, right? RIGHT?!? NOPE, turns out, this is not the case; the Inquisition's saltiness was so severe that [[derp\|they ended up never actually getting the information to CREATE PRIMARIS MARINES]] and had to get the information from their brother chapter the [[Emperor's Spears]]. It's not explicitly explained as to how that happened, but presumably they just weren't included in any relief fleets' destinations (and since those usually have Custodes to ...[[BLAM\|convince]] anyone not accepting of NuMarines, one must wonder how did this come to pass).

	The salt continues to flow for the Inquisition when in the novel ''Spear of the Emperor'', it's stated that Ekene Dubaku was beheaded by a [[Callidus]] posing as thrall servant of Amadeus Kaias Incarius from the [[Mentors]]. So now the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, and the Mentors have dishonored and therefore majorly pissed off yet another Chapter ''and'' the Black Templars, and that's ignoring the fact that all sons of Dorn stick together, being the closest thing to a Legion of old, second only to the Dark Angels. Even if the Mentors were ignorant, then those other institutions have now pissed off three Chapters and all of their friends.		The salt continues to flow for the Inquisition when in the novel ''Spear of the Emperor'', it's stated that Ekene Dubaku was beheaded by a [[Callidus]] posing as thrall servant of Amadeus Kaias Incarius from the [[Mentors]]. So now the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, and the Mentors have dishonored and therefore majorly pissed off yet another Chapter ''and'' the Black Templars, and that's ignoring the fact that all sons of Dorn stick together, being the closest thing to a Legion of old, second only to the Dark Angels. Even if the Mentors were ignorant, then those other institutions have now pissed off three Chapters and all of their friends.

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	\|Colours = [[Stormcast Eternals\|Gold, with blue helmet and pauldrons]].		\|Colours = [[Stormcast Eternals\|Gold, with blue helmet and pauldrons]].
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	{{topquote\|Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults, whoever rebukes the wicked incurs [[Blam\|abuse]].\|The Bible, Proverbs 9:7 (New International Version)}}		{{topquote\|Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults, whoever rebukes the [[Inquisition\|wicked]] incurs [[Blam\|abuse]].\|The Bible, Proverbs 9:7 (New International Version)}}

			{{topquote\|The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion.\|The Bible, Proverbs 28:1}}

	The '''Celestial Lions''' (calling them "Celestial ''Loins''" would be a joke in poor taste, given their tremendous losses of late) are a chapter of [[Space Marines]] in the [[Warhammer 40,000]] universe. They are an object lesson of what happens to people who try and mess with the [[Inquisition]] without serious backup (like being a [[First Founding]] chapter and/or [[Space Wolves\|staying at legion strength]]). It is unknown if the Inquisition is going to survive the return object lesson of what happens to those who fuck with the Space Marines. Especially Space Marines who are now best-buds with the Black Templars. With Guilliman's return, who has an express zero tolerance for stupid waste, especially with that [[Great Rift\|big new jelly stain covering the galactic map]], that return object lesson is now pretty much assured. They are part of the Adeptus Vaelarii guarding over the Elara's Veil region of space.		The '''Celestial Lions''' (calling them "Celestial ''Loins''" would be a joke in poor taste, given their tremendous losses of late) are a chapter of [[Space Marines]] in the [[Warhammer 40,000]] universe. They are an object lesson of what happens to people who try and mess with the [[Inquisition]] without serious backup (like being a [[First Founding]] chapter and/or [[Space Wolves\|staying at legion strength]]). It is unknown if the Inquisition is going to survive the return object lesson of what happens to those who fuck with the Space Marines. Especially Space Marines who are now best-buds with the Black Templars. With Guilliman's return, who has an express zero tolerance for stupid waste, especially with that [[Great Rift\|big new jelly stain covering the galactic map]], that return object lesson is now pretty much assured. They are part of the Adeptus Vaelarii guarding over the Elara's Veil region of space.