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	So are they still useful? Yes, if you're willing and able to make the investment and can deal with all your firepower in one point. If not, it might be best to look at other options.		So are they still useful? Yes, if you're willing and able to make the investment and can deal with all your firepower in one point. If not, it might be best to look at other options.

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	==Centurion Squads==		==Centurion Squads==
	A centurion squad is a new(relatively) type of [[Space Marines\|space marine]] squad available with the release of [[Warhammer 40,000 6th edition\|6th edition]], which are a real pain in the ass to paint. [[Centurion Armour\|Centurion armour]] is a warsuit whose [[STC]] printout was discovered after the [[Age of Apostasy]]. After getting the "not [[heresy]]" stamp from the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]], the [[Imperium of Man]] began supplying [[space marine chapter]]s with them, who dubbed them "centurion" after the former officers of the [[Legiones Astartes]]. The centurion is a specialist piece of equipment used for sieges or line-breaking. Despite not interfacing with the space marines' [[Gene-seed\|black carapace]], which has no in-game benefit anyway, it gives the marine durability (+T and +S) that is rivaled by that of a [[dreadnought]], without the requirement of losing their spine and three out of four limbs in a heroic but probably avoidable last stand. Instead of recruiting out of the chapter's First Company [[Veteran Squad\|veterans]], centurion wearers are recruited from the [[assault squad\|assault]] or [[devastator squad]]s, as centurions are only useful in specific roles of assault and heavy weapons, and their wearers need to be immersed in a specific type of warfare. This doesn't make much sense as an explanation though, since tactical marines already went through being devastators and then assault marines. Unfortunately, only the sergeant can be upgraded to a vet, which makes assault centurion cry, as that extra attack would be nice. Also, for some reason, the pilots fold their arms over their chest once inside the suit, controlling it with their thoughts. Why they don't simply use their arms is beyond me. (Ever seen how far its shoulders are away from the head, and how far apart; especially when looking at a model from the front? A space marine would probably need at least two extra joints in their additionally lengthened arms to be able to actually stick them in there and control it directly.)		A centurion squad is a new (relatively) type of [[Space Marines\|space marine]] squad available with the release of [[Warhammer 40,000 6th edition\|6th edition]], which are a real pain in the ass to paint. [[Centurion Armour\|Centurion armour]] is a warsuit whose [[STC]] printout was discovered after the [[Age of Apostasy]]. After getting the "not [[heresy]]" stamp from the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]], the [[Imperium of Man]] began supplying [[space marine chapter]]s with them, who dubbed them "centurion" after the former officers of the [[Legiones Astartes]]. The centurion is a specialist piece of equipment used for sieges or line-breaking. Despite not interfacing with the space marines' [[Gene-seed\|black carapace]], which has no in-game benefit anyway, it gives the marine durability (+T and +S) that is rivaled by that of a [[dreadnought]], without the requirement of losing their spine and three out of four limbs in a heroic but probably avoidable last stand. Instead of recruiting out of the chapter's First Company [[Veteran Squad\|veterans]], centurion wearers are recruited from the [[assault squad\|assault]] or [[devastator squad]]s, as centurions are only useful in specific roles of assault and heavy weapons, and their wearers need to be immersed in a specific type of warfare. This doesn't make much sense as an explanation though, since tactical marines already went through being devastators and then assault marines. Unfortunately, only the sergeant can be upgraded to a vet, which makes assault centurion cry, as that extra attack would be nice. Also, for some reason, the pilots fold their arms over their chest once inside the suit, controlling it with their thoughts. Why they don't simply use their arms is beyond me. (Ever seen how far its shoulders are away from the head, and how far apart; especially when looking at a model from the front? A space marine would probably need at least two extra joints in their additionally lengthened arms to be able to actually stick them in there and control it directly.)

	While you won't be blam'd for calling them [[Reasonable Marines\|"reasonable dreadnoughts"]], it should be noted that their current status makes them inferior to true dreadnoughts DUE TO THE LACK OF HEROIC SACRIFICES.		While you won't be blam'd for calling them [[Reasonable Marines\|"reasonable dreadnoughts"]], it should be noted that their current status makes them inferior to true dreadnoughts DUE TO THE LACK OF HEROIC SACRIFICES.

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	==Centurion Squads==		==Centurion Squads==
	A centurion squad is a new(relatively) type of [[Space Marines\|space marine]] squad available with the release of [[Warhammer 40,000 6th edition\|6th edition]], which are a real pain in the ass to paint. [[Centurion Armour\|Centurion armour]] is a warsuit whose [[STC]] printout was discovered after the [[Age of Apostasy]]. After getting the "not [[heresy]]" stamp from the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]], the [[Imperium of Man]] began supplying [[space marine chapter]]s with them, who dubbed them "centurion" after the former officers of the [[Legiones Astartes]]. The centurion is a specialist piece of equipment used for sieges or line-breaking. Despite not interfacing with the space marines' [[Gene-seed\|black carapace]], which has no in-game benefit anyway, it gives the marine durability (+T and +S) that is rivaled by that of a [[dreadnought]], without the requirement of losing their spine and three out of four limbs in a heroic but probably avoidable last stand. Instead of recruiting out of the chapter's First Company [[Veteran Squad\|veterans]], centurion wearers are recruited from the [[assault squad\|assault]] or [[devastator squad]]s, as centurions are only useful in specific roles of assault and heavy weapons, and their wearers need to be immersed in a specific type of warfare. This doesn't make much sense as an explanation though, since tactical marines already went through being devastators and then assault marines. Unfortunately, only the sergeant can be upgraded to a vet, which makes assault centurion cry, as that extra attack would be nice. Also, for some reason, the pilots fold their arms over their chest once inside the suit, controlling it with their thoughts. Why they don't simply use their arms is beyond me. (Ever seen how far its shoulders are away from the head, and how far apart; especially when looking at a model from the front? A space marine would probably need at least two extra joints in their additionally lengthened arms to be able to actually stick them in there and control it directly)		A centurion squad is a new(relatively) type of [[Space Marines\|space marine]] squad available with the release of [[Warhammer 40,000 6th edition\|6th edition]], which are a real pain in the ass to paint. [[Centurion Armour\|Centurion armour]] is a warsuit whose [[STC]] printout was discovered after the [[Age of Apostasy]]. After getting the "not [[heresy]]" stamp from the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]], the [[Imperium of Man]] began supplying [[space marine chapter]]s with them, who dubbed them "centurion" after the former officers of the [[Legiones Astartes]]. The centurion is a specialist piece of equipment used for sieges or line-breaking. Despite not interfacing with the space marines' [[Gene-seed\|black carapace]], which has no in-game benefit anyway, it gives the marine durability (+T and +S) that is rivaled by that of a [[dreadnought]], without the requirement of losing their spine and three out of four limbs in a heroic but probably avoidable last stand. Instead of recruiting out of the chapter's First Company [[Veteran Squad\|veterans]], centurion wearers are recruited from the [[assault squad\|assault]] or [[devastator squad]]s, as centurions are only useful in specific roles of assault and heavy weapons, and their wearers need to be immersed in a specific type of warfare. This doesn't make much sense as an explanation though, since tactical marines already went through being devastators and then assault marines. Unfortunately, only the sergeant can be upgraded to a vet, which makes assault centurion cry, as that extra attack would be nice. Also, for some reason, the pilots fold their arms over their chest once inside the suit, controlling it with their thoughts. Why they don't simply use their arms is beyond me. (Ever seen how far its shoulders are away from the head, and how far apart; especially when looking at a model from the front? A space marine would probably need at least two extra joints in their additionally lengthened arms to be able to actually stick them in there and control it directly.)

	While you won't be blam'd for calling them [[Reasonable Marines\|"reasonable dreadnoughts"]], it should be noted that their current status makes them inferior to true dreadnoughts DUE TO THE LACK OF HEROIC SACRIFICES.		While you won't be blam'd for calling them [[Reasonable Marines\|"reasonable dreadnoughts"]], it should be noted that their current status makes them inferior to true dreadnoughts DUE TO THE LACK OF HEROIC SACRIFICES.
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	===8th Edition===		===8th Edition===
	[[File:Centurian.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|A Devastator Centurion, right after having the blood of alien infantry hosed off of it.]]		[[File:Centurian.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|A Devastator Centurion, right after having the blood of alien infantry hosed off of it.]]
	Centurions both have the same base statline: T5, W4, and Sv2+ means that they can take a beating before going down. However, they are hamstrung by their 4" movement, forcing them to waddle across the battlefield in an adorable but helpless way. Giving them a transport is useful, but they have to take either a [[Stormraven]] or a [[Land Raider]] because their big adorable butts can't fit in other vehicles. The Devastators won't really need a transport once they're in place, but the Assault Squad will really need one if it wants to do more than punch one tank into scrap and walk around for the rest of the game. Both units can also count as Combat Squads if they're 6 models large (good luck affording that) and thanks to their sergeant's Omniscope they ignore the bonuses enemies get from cover, which is especially nice for the Devastators. Centurions are also your premier multi-wound infantry unit this edition and benefit well from [[Apothecary]] support. (Even though with that armour a Techmarine would make as much sense)		Centurions both have the same base statline: T5, W4, and Sv2+ means that they can take a beating before going down. However, they are hamstrung by their 4" movement, forcing them to waddle across the battlefield in an adorable but helpless way. Giving them a transport is useful, but they have to take either a [[Stormraven]] or a [[Land Raider]] because their big adorable butts can't fit in other vehicles. The Devastators won't really need a transport once they're in place, but the Assault Squad will really need one if it wants to do more than punch one tank into scrap and walk around for the rest of the game. Both units can also count as Combat Squads if they're 6 models large (good luck affording that) and thanks to their sergeant's Omniscope they ignore the bonuses enemies get from cover, which is especially nice for the Devastators. Centurions are also your premier multi-wound infantry unit this edition and benefit well from [[Apothecary]] support. (Even though with that armour a Techmarine would make as much sense.)

	Clocking in at 89 points each, Centurion Devastator Squads are costly but effective. But the problems start the moment you remember the prices are added separately. That's right, they cost like damn Razorbacks each! However, with two [[Heavy Bolter]]s and a Hurricane Bolter they can deliver 6 shots at 36", 12 at 24" and a whopping 18 at 12" ''each''. That means 18, 36 and 54 at those ranges for a 3-man squad. Dropping them in a nice and snug place where they can make entire units of infantry disappear in a single phase. Even if you have to move, because of their Decimator Protocols rule they don't get hit with the -1 penalty when firing heavy weapons on the move. And don't forget that you don't ''have'' to shoot all your guns in one go: you can roll them one after the other to make sure you don't waste your rolls or those of your primary guns. And even if you've armed them with something else than Heavy Bolters, you can still use the Hurricane Bolter to really discourage incoming infantry. They have three weapon options if the mother of all [[Bolter]] fire doesn't do it for you:		Clocking in at 89 points each, Centurion Devastator Squads are costly but effective. But the problems start the moment you remember the prices are added separately. That's right, they cost like damn Razorbacks each! However, with two [[Heavy Bolter]]s and a Hurricane Bolter they can deliver 6 shots at 36", 12 at 24" and a whopping 18 at 12" ''each''. That means 18, 36 and 54 at those ranges for a 3-man squad. Dropping them in a nice and snug place where they can make entire units of infantry disappear in a single phase. Even if you have to move, because of their Decimator Protocols rule they don't get hit with the -1 penalty when firing heavy weapons on the move. And don't forget that you don't ''have'' to shoot all your guns in one go: you can roll them one after the other to make sure you don't waste your rolls or those of your primary guns. And even if you've armed them with something else than Heavy Bolters, you can still use the Hurricane Bolter to really discourage incoming infantry. They have three weapon options if the mother of all [[Bolter]] fire doesn't do it for you:

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	* '''Centurion [[Missile Launcher]]s''' can replace the Hurricane Bolter. The 25 points price tag is hefty, but having Assault D3 S8 AP-2 D3 missiles coming from each of the Centurions will dent all but the toughest tanks. They have a shorter range than their other anti-tank gun, so keep that in mind when positioning.		* '''Centurion [[Missile Launcher]]s''' can replace the Hurricane Bolter. The 25 points price tag is hefty, but having Assault D3 S8 AP-2 D3 missiles coming from each of the Centurions will dent all but the toughest tanks. They have a shorter range than their other anti-tank gun, so keep that in mind when positioning.
	* '''[[Lascannon]]s''' can replace your Heavy Bolters. Note that you have to replace ''both'' of them, so no mix and match goodness on the same model (but you can within the same unit and still aim for different targets). While a 30 point bump per Centurion, having six Lascannons in one unit will really ruin a tank's or monster's day. Problem? It costs like a lazorback. While being three times more squishy, unless the enemy is using S2 AP- weapons.		* '''[[Lascannon]]s''' can replace your Heavy Bolters. Note that you have to replace ''both'' of them, so no mix and match goodness on the same model (but you can within the same unit and still aim for different targets). While a 30 point bump per Centurion, having six Lascannons in one unit will really ruin a tank's or monster's day. Problem? It costs like a lazorback. While being three times more squishy, unless the enemy is using S2 AP- weapons.
	* '''[[Grav-Cannon]]s with Grav-~~amps~~''' are a bit of an odd duck. Only a bit more expensive than the Heavy Bolters, you only get ''one'' of these per Centurion. Which is a good thing, because otherwise they'd be ungodly expensive. And even then, a dozen shots at S5 AP-3 1 damage that goes to D3 against anything with a 3+ save or higher, this can really ruin the day of heavy infantry. And with the limited range on this gun, they work together pretty well with the Hurricane Bolter (as long as you aim that at a different unit).		* '''[[Grav-Cannon]]s with [[Grav-Amp]]s''' are a bit of an odd duck. Only a bit more expensive than the Heavy Bolters, you only get ''one'' of these per Centurion. Which is a good thing, because otherwise they'd be ungodly expensive. And even then, a dozen shots at S5 AP-3 1 damage that goes to D3 against anything with a 3+ save or higher, this can really ruin the day of heavy infantry. And with the limited range on this gun, they work together pretty well with the Hurricane Bolter (as long as you aim that at a different unit).

	Centurion Assault Squads are 91 points and come with Siege Drills, two flamers and Centurion Assault Launchers. The drills deal a whopping S10 AP-4 3 damage hit each, so whatever they hit will feel it. The Centurion Assault Launchers let them do a Mortal Wound on whatever they charge on a 4+: useful, but not a game changer. They also come with two Flamers each, meaning 6 of them on the whole unit. And yes, that means you get to sling 6d6 Flamer hits if the enemy gets too close. You have two options to replace either of your weapons that's not the drills:		Centurion Assault Squads are 91 points and come with Siege Drills, two flamers and Centurion Assault Launchers. The drills deal a whopping S10 AP-4 3 damage hit each, so whatever they hit will feel it. The Centurion Assault Launchers let them do a Mortal Wound on whatever they charge on a 4+: useful, but not a game changer. They also come with two Flamers each, meaning 6 of them on the whole unit. And yes, that means you get to sling 6d6 Flamer hits if the enemy gets too close. You have two options to replace either of your weapons that's not the drills:

	* '''[[Meltagun]]s''' can replace the Flamers. While this costs 18 points per model, you can now have 6 melta shots on a 3-man unit. Some simple mathhammer tells you that this is an average of 7 damage... when you're not within 6". Expensive, but it can turn tanks to slag like it's nobody's business.		* '''[[Meltagun]]s''' can replace the Flamers. While this costs 18 points per model, you can now have 6 melta shots on a 3-man unit. Some simple mathhammer tells you that this is an average of 7 damage... when you're not within 6". Expensive, but it can turn tanks to slag like it's nobody's business.
	* '''Hurricane ~~Bolters~~''' can replace the Centurion Assault Launchers at 4 points a pop. Oh yes, the Assault Squads can have these too. They work especially well with Flamers, because if you can hit a target with your Flamers you can hit them with your Hurricane Bolters. Sure, a S4 AP0 hit doesn't do diddly, but '''45 of them''' (3x6 shots, double at half range, 2/3rds hit plus the average of 6d6) will ruin the day of ANY infantry that comes too close.		* '''[[Hurricane Bolter]]s''' can replace the Centurion Assault Launchers at 4 points a pop. Oh yes, the Assault Squads can have these too. They work especially well with Flamers, because if you can hit a target with your Flamers you can hit them with your Hurricane Bolters. Sure, a S4 AP0 hit doesn't do diddly, but '''45 of them''' (3x6 shots, double at half range, 2/3rds hit plus the average of 6d6) will ruin the day of ANY infantry that comes too close.

	Devastator Squads are an expensive but useful tool to deliver a truly massive amount of firepower. While taking the anti-tank approach sounds fun, this will mean that your Centurions will cost 140 points ''each'', which will put a major dent in your budget. If you want a large number of [[Lascannon]]s, take a [[Predator]] instead. Two of them fully kitted with Lascannons are not only cheaper they are also tougher, have more Wounds and can move three times as fast. The Heavy Bolter approach is cheaper: two full Devastator Squads with three Heavy Bolters each have roughly the same firepower, but are some 40 points more expensive and a lot more fragile, if more easily transported.		Devastator Squads are an expensive but useful tool to deliver a truly massive amount of firepower. While taking the anti-tank approach sounds fun, this will mean that your Centurions will cost 140 points ''each'', which will put a major dent in your budget. If you want a large number of [[Lascannon]]s, take a [[Predator]] instead. Two of them fully kitted with Lascannons are not only cheaper they are also tougher, have more Wounds and can move three times as fast. The Heavy Bolter approach is cheaper: two full Devastator Squads with three Heavy Bolters each have roughly the same firepower, but are some 40 points more expensive and a lot more fragile, if more easily transported.