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1d4chan>Lord Of The Lemmings: /* In Real Life */

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	the Challenger 3 upgrade), the same gun on Leopard 2, for logistical (unify ammunition with other NATO countries) and supply (the factory making HESH for the British Army shut down) reasons.		the Challenger 3 upgrade), the same gun on Leopard 2, for logistical (unify ammunition with other NATO countries) and supply (the factory making HESH for the British Army shut down) reasons.

	These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Leopard 2]].		These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Leopard 2]]. The Challenger is unique compared to the other two in that some British war analysts note that there have been a shortage of spare parts for Challengers for some time now. So they are concerned that this might be the equivalent of sending a [[Panther]] to the Japanese in 1945. We'll have to see how this develops.

	{{British Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{British Forces in Team Yankee}}

72.229.242.36: /* In Real Life */

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	the Challenger 3 upgrade), the same gun on Leopard 2, for logistical (unify ammunition with other NATO countries) and supply (the factory making HESH for the British Army shut down) reasons.		the Challenger 3 upgrade), the same gun on Leopard 2, for logistical (unify ammunition with other NATO countries) and supply (the factory making HESH for the British Army shut down) reasons.

			These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Leopard 2]].

	{{British Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{British Forces in Team Yankee}}

2607:FB91:1119:721:6403:739C:5C0A:985F: /* In Real Life */

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	Team Yankee starts in 1985, and the Challenger 1 was introduced in 1983, and still hardly a mainstay vehicle during the period depicted in TYV2. The turret of the Chally was extra thick: there were no guns at the time that could penetrate it. When introduced Britain was keen to show the new tank off to NATO allies so entered two teams of them into the Canadian Army Trophy, considered the premier inter NATO tank gunnery competition. Due to varying levels of fail, including rushing tanks straight off the production line without the proper gun sights and not giving crews time to train, the shiny new much hyped tank placed last and [[That Guy\|Britain decided never to enter the completion again]] while the government cut funding and quickly started looking for an alternative tank, even considering purchasing [[Heresy\|German Leopard 2s]]. The tank finally got to prove itself in Operation Granby, the UK operation in the 1991 Gulf War, despite huge doubts around reliability, concerns it was outclassed by Iraqi [[T-72\|T-72Ms]], and only 22% of tanks being operational due to a crippling lack of spare parts as well as manufacturing faults. Despite a bit of teamkilling by the US 1st Infantry, the Challenger performed well, including scoring the longest tank on tank kill at 5,110 metres against an Iraqi tank.		Team Yankee starts in 1985, and the Challenger 1 was introduced in 1983, and still hardly a mainstay vehicle during the period depicted in TYV2. The turret of the Chally was extra thick: there were no guns at the time that could penetrate it. When introduced Britain was keen to show the new tank off to NATO allies so entered two teams of them into the Canadian Army Trophy, considered the premier inter NATO tank gunnery competition. Due to varying levels of fail, including rushing tanks straight off the production line without the proper gun sights and not giving crews time to train, the shiny new much hyped tank placed last and [[That Guy\|Britain decided never to enter the completion again]] while the government cut funding and quickly started looking for an alternative tank, even considering purchasing [[Heresy\|German Leopard 2s]]. The tank finally got to prove itself in Operation Granby, the UK operation in the 1991 Gulf War, despite huge doubts around reliability, concerns it was outclassed by Iraqi [[T-72\|T-72Ms]], and only 22% of tanks being operational due to a crippling lack of spare parts as well as manufacturing faults. Despite a bit of teamkilling by the US 1st Infantry, the Challenger performed well, including scoring the longest tank on tank kill at 5,110 metres against an Iraqi tank.

	The Challenger has been succeeded by the Challenger 2. The latter is a complete redesign and only three percent of their parts are interchangeable, despite a similar outward appearance. Both are contemporaries of the [[Leopard 2]] and the [[M1 Abrams]]. Considering how expensive the Challenger 2 is, any replacement during the 2040s would likely to be a foreign platform if common sense was used, but British pride being what it is (and the fact they are a blockadable island), they're likely to give another crack at making a local model. Chally 2 is currently undergoing an extensive Life Extension Program to bring it up to modern specs, this includes swapping the 120mm L30 rifled gun with a 120mm smoothbore Rheinmetall ~~gum~~, the same gun on Leopard 2, for logistical (unify ammunition with other NATO countries) and supply (the factory making HESH for the British Army shut down) reasons.		The Challenger has been succeeded by the Challenger 2. The latter is a complete redesign and only three percent of their parts are interchangeable, despite a similar outward appearance. Both are contemporaries of the [[Leopard 2]] and the [[M1 Abrams]]. Considering how expensive the Challenger 2 is, any replacement during the 2040s would likely to be a foreign platform if common sense was used, but British pride being what it is (and the fact they are a blockadable island), they're likely to give another crack at making a local model. Chally 2 is currently undergoing an extensive Life Extension Program to bring it up to modern specs, this includes swapping the 120mm L30 rifled gun with a 120mm smoothbore Rheinmetall gun (which is also planning for
			the Challenger 3 upgrade), the same gun on Leopard 2, for logistical (unify ammunition with other NATO countries) and supply (the factory making HESH for the British Army shut down) reasons.


	{{British Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{British Forces in Team Yankee}}

1d4chan>Yorkie: /* In Team Yankee */

2022-05-01T07:55:40Z

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	This is the camper's Leopard 2.		This is the camper's Leopard 2.
	The premier tank of the Brits serves as the ~~faster~~, costlier cousin of the [[Chieftain]]. World War III in 1985 has caught the British Army's tank forces in a state of transition, as the Challenger had only entered service in 1983 and was experiencing some "technical issues" in those early years. The few tank crews using the Challenger in 1985 would strictly speaking have been the luckiest of their fellows, getting the newest and most advanced tank, but the Chieftain was a far more proven design, and British Army logistics would have had far more parts on hand for it. Still- bloody Russians want a war, they're ruddy well getting a war.		The premier tank of the Brits serves as the harder, costlier cousin of the [[Chieftain]]. World War III in 1985 has caught the British Army's tank forces in a state of transition, as the Challenger had only entered service in 1983 and was experiencing some "technical issues" in those early years. The few tank crews using the Challenger in 1985 would strictly speaking have been the luckiest of their fellows, getting the newest and most advanced tank, but the Chieftain was a far more proven design, and British Army logistics would have had far more parts on hand for it. Still- bloody Russians want a war, they're ruddy well getting a war.

	Trading cost-efficiency for being one of the most heavily-armoured ~~(Hello M1A1HC...)~~ tanks in the game, the Challenger is like a Chieftain turned up to 11. ~~11 points~~ gets ~~what is in effect an armour~~ 20 ~~Chieftain~~, and ~~a 2 point upgrade takes you to armour 21, giving it a good chance of repelling almost any attack currently in~~ the ~~game. However,~~ the high cost means you're always going to struggle not to get flanked because of low numbers, and ~~this makes~~ the ~~moving ROF even more of~~ a ~~penalty than it is on Chieftains;~~ you~~'ll have very few tanks~~, so you ~~won't have many shots,~~ and ~~moving loses half of them~~. Park them at the back, shoot them, blitz them~~. But then~~ you are paying a lot of points for ~~essentially~~ a bunker ~~that explodes if flanked~~. ~~In a sideshot knife fight with Leo2a5s or M1A1s, the Challys~~ will ~~come off worse~~ if ~~it has to move and go to ROF1~~.		Trading cost-efficiency for being one of the most heavily-armoured tanks in the game, the Challenger is like a Chieftain turned up to 11 points. The near doubling in cost gets you Front Armour 20, Chobham Armour, Theral Imaging and and increased dash speeds. On the downside the high cost means you're always going to struggle not to get flanked because of low numbers. They still suffer the same weakness as Chieftains, namely being completely useless on the move. Offensively they carry the same ROF 2/1 AT22 FP2+ L11 gun as the Chieftain, with all the tank and infantry mulching goodness.

			For an extra 2pts per tank, you can upgrade them to ROMOR. This ups the front armour to a mighty 21 and the side armour to 10. This means you can ignore nearly all tank guns at long range, however, you still retain the weaknesses of vulnerable flanks and being outnumbered.

			Park them at the back, shoot them and blitz them, at this point you are paying a lot of points for a bunker with paper sides. They will lose to nearly all other tanks if flanked.

	The Formation HQ comes in units of 1-2 (remember HQs always pass their last stand); the Combat Unit comes in <s>squadrons</s> ''Troops''of 2-3. All that has been written about the Leopard 2 being cripplingly costed applies to the Chally 1 as well. Also remember, at long range the Milan shoots just as good (AT wise).		The Formation HQ comes in units of 1-2 (remember HQs always pass their last stand); the Combat Unit comes in <s>squadrons</s> ''Troops''of 2-3. All that has been written about the Leopard 2 being cripplingly costed applies to the Chally 1 as well. Also remember, at long range the Milan shoots just as good (AT wise).

	This DOES counter anything of AT21 or below very effectively, like Milans and their ilk. With base armor, a 2+ defeats. With ROMOR, you auto pass on them frontally, and ignore most autocannons from the side. Anything besides a tank's main gun you can basically IGNORE outright! For reference, the Leo 2 has AT22. The C2 needs a 3+ to remain unchanged penetrated, or with ROMOR a 2+. You need at least AT 21 to threaten the C2, or AT22 to make a pass at the ROMOR.

	==In Real Life==		==In Real Life==

1d4chan>Piroko: /* In Real Life */

2022-01-28T02:35:08Z

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	Obviously the Challenger is the successor to the Chieftain.		Obviously the Challenger is the successor to the Chieftain.

	Team Yankee starts in 1985, and the Challenger 1 was introduced in 1983, and still hardly a mainstay vehicle during the period depicted in TYV2. The turret of the Chally was extra thick: there were no guns at the time that could penetrate it. When introduced Britain was keen to show the new tank off to NATO allies so entered two teams of them into the Canadian Army Trophy, considered the premier inter NATO tank gunnery competition. Due to varying levels of fail, including rushing tanks straight off the production line without the proper gun sights and not giving crews time to train, the shiny new much hyped tank placed last and [[That Guy\|Britain decided never to enter the completion again]] while the government cut funding and quickly started looking for an alternative tank, even considering purchasing [[Heresy\|German Leopard 2s]]. The tank finally got to prove itself in Operation Granby, the UK operation in the 1991 Gulf War, ~~where~~ despite huge doubts around reliability, concerns it was outclassed by Iraqi [[T-72\|T-72Ms]] and only 22% of tanks being operational due to a crippling lack of spare parts as well as manufacturing faults. Despite a bit of teamkilling by the US 1st Infantry, the Challenger performed well, including scoring the longest tank on tank kill at 5,110 metres against an Iraqi tank.		Team Yankee starts in 1985, and the Challenger 1 was introduced in 1983, and still hardly a mainstay vehicle during the period depicted in TYV2. The turret of the Chally was extra thick: there were no guns at the time that could penetrate it. When introduced Britain was keen to show the new tank off to NATO allies so entered two teams of them into the Canadian Army Trophy, considered the premier inter NATO tank gunnery competition. Due to varying levels of fail, including rushing tanks straight off the production line without the proper gun sights and not giving crews time to train, the shiny new much hyped tank placed last and [[That Guy\|Britain decided never to enter the completion again]] while the government cut funding and quickly started looking for an alternative tank, even considering purchasing [[Heresy\|German Leopard 2s]]. The tank finally got to prove itself in Operation Granby, the UK operation in the 1991 Gulf War, despite huge doubts around reliability, concerns it was outclassed by Iraqi [[T-72\|T-72Ms]], and only 22% of tanks being operational due to a crippling lack of spare parts as well as manufacturing faults. Despite a bit of teamkilling by the US 1st Infantry, the Challenger performed well, including scoring the longest tank on tank kill at 5,110 metres against an Iraqi tank.

	The Challenger has been succeeded by the Challenger 2. The latter is a complete redesign and only three percent of their parts are interchangeable, despite a similar outward appearance. Both are contemporaries of the [[Leopard 2]] and the [[M1 Abrams]]. Considering how expensive the Challenger 2 is, any replacement during the 2040s would likely to be a foreign platform if common sense was used, but British pride being what it is (and the fact they are a blockadable island), they're likely to give another crack at making a local model. Chally 2 is currently undergoing an extensive Life Extension Program to bring it up to modern specs, this includes swapping the 120mm L30 rifled gun with a 120mm smoothbore Rheinmetall gum, the same gun on Leopard 2, for logistical (unify ammunition with other NATO countries) and supply (the factory making HESH for the British Army shut down) reasons.		The Challenger has been succeeded by the Challenger 2. The latter is a complete redesign and only three percent of their parts are interchangeable, despite a similar outward appearance. Both are contemporaries of the [[Leopard 2]] and the [[M1 Abrams]]. Considering how expensive the Challenger 2 is, any replacement during the 2040s would likely to be a foreign platform if common sense was used, but British pride being what it is (and the fact they are a blockadable island), they're likely to give another crack at making a local model. Chally 2 is currently undergoing an extensive Life Extension Program to bring it up to modern specs, this includes swapping the 120mm L30 rifled gun with a 120mm smoothbore Rheinmetall gum, the same gun on Leopard 2, for logistical (unify ammunition with other NATO countries) and supply (the factory making HESH for the British Army shut down) reasons.

1d4chan>Piroko: /* In Real Life */

2022-01-28T02:33:56Z

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	Obviously the Challenger is the successor to the Chieftain.		Obviously the Challenger is the successor to the Chieftain.

	Team Yankee starts in 1985, and the Challenger 1 was introduced in 1983, and still hardly a mainstay vehicle during the period depicted in TYV2. The turret of the Chally was extra thick: there were no guns at the time that could penetrate it. When introduced Britain was keen to show the new tank off to NATO allies so entered two teams of them into the Canadian Army Trophy, considered the premier inter NATO tank gunnery competition. Due to varying levels of fail, including rushing tanks straight off the production line without the proper gun sights and not giving crews time to train, the shiny new much hyped tank placed last and [[That Guy\|Britain decided never to enter the completion again]] while the government cut funding and quickly started looking for an alternative tank, even considering purchasing [[Heresy\|German Leopard 2s]]. The tank finally got to prove itself in Operation Granby, the UK operation in the 1991 Gulf War, where despite huge doubts around reliability, concerns it was outclassed by Iraqi [[T-72\|T-72Ms]] and only 22% of tanks being operational due to a crippling lack of spare parts as well as manufacturing faults the Challenger performed well, including scoring the longest tank on tank kill at 5,110 metres against an Iraqi tank.		Team Yankee starts in 1985, and the Challenger 1 was introduced in 1983, and still hardly a mainstay vehicle during the period depicted in TYV2. The turret of the Chally was extra thick: there were no guns at the time that could penetrate it. When introduced Britain was keen to show the new tank off to NATO allies so entered two teams of them into the Canadian Army Trophy, considered the premier inter NATO tank gunnery competition. Due to varying levels of fail, including rushing tanks straight off the production line without the proper gun sights and not giving crews time to train, the shiny new much hyped tank placed last and [[That Guy\|Britain decided never to enter the completion again]] while the government cut funding and quickly started looking for an alternative tank, even considering purchasing [[Heresy\|German Leopard 2s]]. The tank finally got to prove itself in Operation Granby, the UK operation in the 1991 Gulf War, where despite huge doubts around reliability, concerns it was outclassed by Iraqi [[T-72\|T-72Ms]] and only 22% of tanks being operational due to a crippling lack of spare parts as well as manufacturing faults. Despite a bit of teamkilling by the US 1st Infantry, the Challenger performed well, including scoring the longest tank on tank kill at 5,110 metres against an Iraqi tank.

	The Challenger has been succeeded by the Challenger 2. The latter is a complete redesign and only three percent of their parts are interchangeable, despite a similar outward appearance. Both are contemporaries of the [[Leopard 2]] and the [[M1 Abrams]]. Considering how expensive the Challenger 2 is, any replacement during the 2040s would likely to be a foreign platform if common sense was used, but British pride being what it is (and the fact they are a blockadable island), they're likely to give another crack at making a local model. Chally 2 is currently undergoing an extensive Life Extension Program to bring it up to modern specs, this includes swapping the 120mm L30 rifled gun with a 120mm smoothbore Rheinmetall gum, the same gun on Leopard 2, for logistical (unify ammunition with other NATO countries) and supply (the factory making HESH for the British Army shut down) reasons.		The Challenger has been succeeded by the Challenger 2. The latter is a complete redesign and only three percent of their parts are interchangeable, despite a similar outward appearance. Both are contemporaries of the [[Leopard 2]] and the [[M1 Abrams]]. Considering how expensive the Challenger 2 is, any replacement during the 2040s would likely to be a foreign platform if common sense was used, but British pride being what it is (and the fact they are a blockadable island), they're likely to give another crack at making a local model. Chally 2 is currently undergoing an extensive Life Extension Program to bring it up to modern specs, this includes swapping the 120mm L30 rifled gun with a 120mm smoothbore Rheinmetall gum, the same gun on Leopard 2, for logistical (unify ammunition with other NATO countries) and supply (the factory making HESH for the British Army shut down) reasons.

1d4chan>Strike Potat0: /* In Team Yankee */ corrected wrong platoon size, terminology, HQ stuff

2022-01-27T22:10:38Z

In Team Yankee: corrected wrong platoon size, terminology, HQ stuff

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	The premier tank of the Brits serves as the faster, costlier cousin of the [[Chieftain]]. World War III in 1985 has caught the British Army's tank forces in a state of transition, as the Challenger had only entered service in 1983 and was experiencing some "technical issues" in those early years. The few tank crews using the Challenger in 1985 would strictly speaking have been the luckiest of their fellows, getting the newest and most advanced tank, but the Chieftain was a far more proven design, and British Army logistics would have had far more parts on hand for it. Still- bloody Russians want a war, they're ruddy well getting a war.		The premier tank of the Brits serves as the faster, costlier cousin of the [[Chieftain]]. World War III in 1985 has caught the British Army's tank forces in a state of transition, as the Challenger had only entered service in 1983 and was experiencing some "technical issues" in those early years. The few tank crews using the Challenger in 1985 would strictly speaking have been the luckiest of their fellows, getting the newest and most advanced tank, but the Chieftain was a far more proven design, and British Army logistics would have had far more parts on hand for it. Still- bloody Russians want a war, they're ruddy well getting a war.

	Trading cost-efficiency for being one of the most heavily-armoured (~~<s>and most expensive</s>~~ Hello M1A1HC...) tanks in the game, the Challenger is like a Chieftain turned up to 11. 11 points gets what is in effect an armour 20 Chieftain, and a 2 point upgrade takes you to armour 21, giving it a good chance of repelling almost any attack currently in the game. However, the high cost means you're always going to struggle not to get flanked because of low numbers, and this makes the moving ROF even more of a penalty than it is on Chieftains; you'll have very few tanks, so you won't have many shots, and moving loses half of them. Park them at the back, shoot them, blitz them.		Trading cost-efficiency for being one of the most heavily-armoured (Hello M1A1HC...) tanks in the game, the Challenger is like a Chieftain turned up to 11. 11 points gets what is in effect an armour 20 Chieftain, and a 2 point upgrade takes you to armour 21, giving it a good chance of repelling almost any attack currently in the game. However, the high cost means you're always going to struggle not to get flanked because of low numbers, and this makes the moving ROF even more of a penalty than it is on Chieftains; you'll have very few tanks, so you won't have many shots, and moving loses half of them. Park them at the back, shoot them, blitz them. But then you are paying a lot of points for essentially a bunker that explodes if flanked. In a sideshot knife fight with Leo2a5s or M1A1s, the Challys will come off worse if it has to move and go to ROF1.

	The Formation HQ comes in units of 1-2 (~~and, seeing as how units of 2 tanks suck in TY V2, you'll probably~~ always ~~take the single tank~~); the Combat Unit comes in squadrons of 3-4. All that has been written about the Leopard 2 being cripplingly costed applies to the Chally 1 as well.		The Formation HQ comes in units of 1-2 (remember HQs always pass their last stand); the Combat Unit comes in <s>squadrons</s> ''Troops''of 2-3. All that has been written about the Leopard 2 being cripplingly costed applies to the Chally 1 as well. Also remember, at long range the Milan shoots just as good (AT wise).

	This DOES counter anything of AT21 or below very effectively, like Milans and their ilk. With base armor, a 2+ defeats. With ROMOR, you auto pass on them frontally, and ignore most autocannons from the side. Anything besides a tank's main gun you can basically IGNORE outright! For reference, the Leo 2 has AT22. The C2 needs a 3+ to remain unchanged penetrated, or with ROMOR a 2+. You need at least AT 21 to threaten the C2, or AT22 to make a pass at the ROMOR.		This DOES counter anything of AT21 or below very effectively, like Milans and their ilk. With base armor, a 2+ defeats. With ROMOR, you auto pass on them frontally, and ignore most autocannons from the side. Anything besides a tank's main gun you can basically IGNORE outright! For reference, the Leo 2 has AT22. The C2 needs a 3+ to remain unchanged penetrated, or with ROMOR a 2+. You need at least AT 21 to threaten the C2, or AT22 to make a pass at the ROMOR.

1d4chan>AC9016: /* In Team Yankee */

2021-09-26T17:35:43Z

In Team Yankee

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	This is the camper's Leopard 2.		This is the camper's Leopard 2.
	The premier tank of the Brits serves as the faster, costlier cousin of the [[Chieftain]]. World War III in 1985 has caught the British Army's tank forces in a state of transition, as the Challenger only entered service in 1983~~, so only~~ the luckiest of British Army ~~crews will get to use the state~~-~~of-the-art "Chally" against the oncoming communist hordes~~.		The premier tank of the Brits serves as the faster, costlier cousin of the [[Chieftain]]. World War III in 1985 has caught the British Army's tank forces in a state of transition, as the Challenger had only entered service in 1983 and was experiencing some "technical issues" in those early years. The few tank crews using the Challenger in 1985 would strictly speaking have been the luckiest of their fellows, getting the newest and most advanced tank, but the Chieftain was a far more proven design, and British Army logistics would have had far more parts on hand for it. Still- bloody Russians want a war, they're ruddy well getting a war.

	Trading cost-efficiency for being one of the most heavily-armoured (<s>and most expensive</s> Hello M1A1HC...) tanks in the game, the Challenger is like a Chieftain turned up to 11. 11 points gets what is in effect an armour 20 Chieftain, and a 2 point upgrade takes you to armour 21, giving it a good chance of repelling almost any attack currently in the game. However, the high cost means you're always going to struggle not to get flanked because of low numbers, and this makes the moving ROF even more of a penalty than it is on Chieftains; you'll have very few tanks, so you won't have many shots, and moving loses half of them. Park them at the back, shoot them, blitz them.		Trading cost-efficiency for being one of the most heavily-armoured (<s>and most expensive</s> Hello M1A1HC...) tanks in the game, the Challenger is like a Chieftain turned up to 11. 11 points gets what is in effect an armour 20 Chieftain, and a 2 point upgrade takes you to armour 21, giving it a good chance of repelling almost any attack currently in the game. However, the high cost means you're always going to struggle not to get flanked because of low numbers, and this makes the moving ROF even more of a penalty than it is on Chieftains; you'll have very few tanks, so you won't have many shots, and moving loses half of them. Park them at the back, shoot them, blitz them.