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	==The Aetheric Dominion==		==The Aetheric Dominion==
	Firstly introduced as a free dowloadable PDF in the Horus Heresy game called '''The Burning of Ohmn-Mat''', this concept refers to the actual star of Chaos, and what spike represents which of the Four Gods of Chaos and others aspects of Chaos itself. This is used to identify daemons and to which part of the Pantheon they answer to. Clockwise from the top, these are:		Firstly introduced as a free dowloadable PDF in the Horus Heresy game called '''[https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/JXRAKYvl3BrGbGjD.pdf The Burning of Ohmn-Mat]''', this concept refers to the actual star of Chaos, and what spike represents which of the Four Gods of Chaos and others aspects of Chaos itself. This is used to identify daemons and to which part of the Pantheon they answer to. Clockwise from the top, these are:
	*'''Encroaching Ruin:''' Samus' personal faction and implied to be the origin of the not-yet-born '''Dark King'''.		*'''Encroaching Ruin:''' Samus' personal faction and implied to be the origin of the not-yet-born '''Dark King'''.
	*'''Infernal Tempest:''' Tzeentch.		*'''Infernal Tempest:''' Tzeentch.

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	==The Aetheric Dominion==		==The Aetheric Dominion==
	Firstly introduced as a free dowloadable PDF in the Horus Heresy game called '''The Burning of Ohmn-Mat''', this concept refers to the actual star of Chaos and what spike represents which of the Four Gods of Chaos and others aspects of Chaos itself. This is used to identify daemons and to which part of the Pantheon they answer to. Clockwise from the top, these are:		Firstly introduced as a free dowloadable PDF in the Horus Heresy game called '''The Burning of Ohmn-Mat''', this concept refers to the actual star of Chaos, and what spike represents which of the Four Gods of Chaos and others aspects of Chaos itself. This is used to identify daemons and to which part of the Pantheon they answer to. Clockwise from the top, these are:
	*'''Encroaching Ruin:''' Samus' personal faction and implied to be the origin of the not-yet-born '''Dark King'''.		*'''Encroaching Ruin:''' Samus' personal faction and implied to be the origin of the not-yet-born '''Dark King'''.
	*'''Infernal Tempest:''' Tzeentch.		*'''Infernal Tempest:''' Tzeentch.

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	In addition to the above, way back in the old days of [[Rogue Trader]] and [[Realms of Chaos]], one of the defining traits of Chaos was that it was a kind of "meta-faction" that would happily absorb members of all races into itself as servants to the Dark Powers. In both Fantasy and 40k, one could encounter Chaos-worshipping [[ork]]s, whilst 40K was home to Chaos-worshipping [[Genestealer]] Cults and Fantasy had Chaos-aligned [[ogre]]s, [[elf\|elves]] and [[dwarf\|dwarves]]. This trait was lessened from 3rd edition onwards, with much more focus on traitor humans and Space Marines, but at least in 40K this aspect hasn't been entirely lost.		In addition to the above, way back in the old days of [[Rogue Trader]] and [[Realms of Chaos]], one of the defining traits of Chaos was that it was a kind of "meta-faction" that would happily absorb members of all races into itself as servants to the Dark Powers. In both Fantasy and 40k, one could encounter Chaos-worshipping [[ork]]s, whilst 40K was home to Chaos-worshipping [[Genestealer]] Cults and Fantasy had Chaos-aligned [[ogre]]s, [[elf\|elves]] and [[dwarf\|dwarves]]. This trait was lessened from 3rd edition onwards, with much more focus on traitor humans and Space Marines, but at least in 40K this aspect hasn't been entirely lost.

			==The Aetheric Dominion==
			Firstly introduced as a free dowloadable PDF in the Horus Heresy game called '''The Burning of Ohmn-Mat''', this concept refers to the actual star of Chaos and what spike represents which of the Four Gods of Chaos and others aspects of Chaos itself. This is used to identify daemons and to which part of the Pantheon they answer to. Clockwise from the top, these are:
			*'''Encroaching Ruin:''' Samus' personal faction and implied to be the origin of the not-yet-born '''Dark King'''.
			*'''Infernal Tempest:''' Tzeentch.
			*'''Malevolent Artifice:''' The part of Chaos Vashtorr and the Daemon Engines represent.
			*'''Rapturous Sensation:''' Slaanesh.
			*'''Ravenous Dissolution:''' Daemons with irrationality and self-destructive behaviour as their main characteristics.
			*'''Putrid Corruption:''' Nurgle
			*'''Formless Distortion:''' Very vague in description and related to Tzeentch whole deal.
			*'''Heedless Slaughter:''' Khorne.
			At the centre of the Chaos Star, it's the Primordial Annihilator aka. Chaos Undivided.

	==Gods of Chaos==		==Gods of Chaos==

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	In addition, Chaos gained awareness and basically finished gestating thanks to humanity (feudal times, no less) being...ahhhhh not exactly the nicest people around. So, in a way they're the human version of the eldar gods. It's therefore entirely possible that the reason followers of Chaos are so messed up is because human nature is that dark and twisted and those followers could have ''chosen'' to focus on Chaos's good points like planning, magic, honor, perfection, hope, joy, love, etc. The honorable, virtuous people of humanity shun Chaos because of its followers being freaks. This is so painful you just have to laugh at us. Look at the average Chaos cult outside of the control of some warlord or whatever. They honestly seem to have all the benefits and none of the drawbacks and are pretty normal people keeping to themselves. The psycho and mutated versions seem to almost exclusively show up on, unsurprisingly, the dystopian nightmare planets called Hive Worlds/Forge Worlds. Pretty obvious as to why.		In addition, Chaos gained awareness and basically finished gestating thanks to humanity (feudal times, no less) being...ahhhhh not exactly the nicest people around. So, in a way they're the human version of the eldar gods. It's therefore entirely possible that the reason followers of Chaos are so messed up is because human nature is that dark and twisted and those followers could have ''chosen'' to focus on Chaos's good points like planning, magic, honor, perfection, hope, joy, love, etc. The honorable, virtuous people of humanity shun Chaos because of its followers being freaks. This is so painful you just have to laugh at us. Look at the average Chaos cult outside of the control of some warlord or whatever. They honestly seem to have all the benefits and none of the drawbacks and are pretty normal people keeping to themselves. The psycho and mutated versions seem to almost exclusively show up on, unsurprisingly, the dystopian nightmare planets called Hive Worlds/Forge Worlds. Pretty obvious as to why.

	Consider what so frequently happens when you give any particular human total power, free of consequences. Depravity, cruelty, greed, excess, etc. As the aphorism goes, “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” So if the Chaos gods are the embodiment of of our own most powerful, prevalent thoughts, emotions, tendencies, drives, and appetites, we really only have ourselves to blame.		Consider what so frequently happens when you give any particular human total power, free of consequences. Depravity, cruelty, greed, excess, etc. As the aphorism goes, “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” But, power is just power, nothing more. It doesn't corrupt anyone and blaming it for peoples' own choices is just a cop-out. Power does not corrupt, it merely allows peoples' true selves to come out. So if the Chaos gods are the embodiment of of our own most powerful, prevalent thoughts, emotions, tendencies, drives, and appetites, we really only have ourselves to blame.

	I.e. blame the furries or every wealthy, powerful person and/or governing body mankind has ever known. Probably all of the above. And the odd serial killer or mass murderer. But most of all, blame yourself, you sick fuck.		I.e. blame the furries or every wealthy, powerful person and/or governing body mankind has ever known. Probably all of the above. And the odd serial killer or mass murderer. But most of all, blame yourself, you sick fuck.

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	On the worse side, it seems the Gods of Chaos must be pulling double-duty as the Gods of Order considering they also have aspects that can be associated with Order or Law (that would explain the eight-pointed star for four gods). More clear when Chaos Undivided is considered as the pros and cons of each power tend to balance out and complement when put together (change and stagnation, bloodshed and endurance, planning and perfection, etc.). In other words, the problem with Chaos might not be Chaos but rather its followers being the assholes and dregs of the galaxy. We're fucked because we suck. Ouch!		On the worse side, it seems the Gods of Chaos must be pulling double-duty as the Gods of Order considering they also have aspects that can be associated with Order or Law (that would explain the eight-pointed star for four gods). More clear when Chaos Undivided is considered as the pros and cons of each power tend to balance out and complement when put together (change and stagnation, bloodshed and endurance, planning and perfection, etc.). In other words, the problem with Chaos might not be Chaos but rather its followers being the assholes and dregs of the galaxy. We're fucked because we suck. Ouch!

	In addition, Chaos gained awareness and basically finished gestating thanks to humanity (feudal times, no less) being...ahhhhh not exactly the nicest people around. So, in a way they're the human version of the eldar gods. It's therefore entirely possible that the reason followers of Chaos are so messed up is because human nature is that dark and twisted and those followers could have ''chosen'' to focus on Chaos's good points like planning, magic, honor, perfection, hope, joy, love, etc. The honorable, virtuous people of humanity shun Chaos because of its followers being freaks. This is so painful you just have to laugh at us.		In addition, Chaos gained awareness and basically finished gestating thanks to humanity (feudal times, no less) being...ahhhhh not exactly the nicest people around. So, in a way they're the human version of the eldar gods. It's therefore entirely possible that the reason followers of Chaos are so messed up is because human nature is that dark and twisted and those followers could have ''chosen'' to focus on Chaos's good points like planning, magic, honor, perfection, hope, joy, love, etc. The honorable, virtuous people of humanity shun Chaos because of its followers being freaks. This is so painful you just have to laugh at us. Look at the average Chaos cult outside of the control of some warlord or whatever. They honestly seem to have all the benefits and none of the drawbacks and are pretty normal people keeping to themselves. The psycho and mutated versions seem to almost exclusively show up on, unsurprisingly, the dystopian nightmare planets called Hive Worlds/Forge Worlds. Pretty obvious as to why.

	Consider what so frequently happens when you give any particular human total power, free of consequences. Depravity, cruelty, greed, excess, etc. As the aphorism goes, “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” So if the Chaos gods are the embodiment of of our own most powerful, prevalent thoughts, emotions, tendencies, drives, and appetites, we really only have ourselves to blame.		Consider what so frequently happens when you give any particular human total power, free of consequences. Depravity, cruelty, greed, excess, etc. As the aphorism goes, “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” So if the Chaos gods are the embodiment of of our own most powerful, prevalent thoughts, emotions, tendencies, drives, and appetites, we really only have ourselves to blame.

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	So maybe, just maybe, ''the other gods don't exist and '''there is only Tzeentch''''' and the Great Game is '''Solitaire'''.		So maybe, just maybe, ''the other gods don't exist and '''there is only Tzeentch''''' and the Great Game is '''Solitaire'''.

			Isn't it great, though? Rejoice! For there is a God of Hope! And it's '''''EVIL'''''.

	===[[Nurgle]]===		===[[Nurgle]]===

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	===[[Nurgle]]===		===[[Nurgle]]===
	''God of Decay, Despair, Acceptance, Destruction, Rebirth, Disease, Persistence, Endurance, Tolerance, Compassion, and Empathy ''		''God of Decay, Despair, Acceptance, Destruction, Rebirth, Disease, Persistence, Endurance, Tolerance, Compassion, Joy, and Empathy ''

	Also known as "Papa Nurgle" or "Grandfather Nurgle", the bloated lord of disease arose from man's fear of death. His followers are afflicted with various awful plagues, but do not suffer or die of them. As well as this respite, he offers those who worship him a sense of family and belonging which is incongruous with the usual attitudes of the chaos gods and his own fearsome appearance. Cited in books as being the third strongest of the gods, until a jolly plague party pops up, where he temporarily overshadows his brothers until the party(participants) dies off. He runs a carnival in Warhammer Fantasy proving once more that all clowns are evil beings full of disease that want to take you away from your parents. God of Persistence/Stagnation despite his whole schtick being entropy and growth, or (since this is chaos) as the girl says, “Why not both?”		Also known as "Papa Nurgle" or "Grandfather Nurgle", the bloated lord of disease arose from man's fear of death. His followers are afflicted with various awful plagues, but do not suffer or die of them. As well as this respite, he offers those who worship him a sense of family and belonging which is incongruous with the usual attitudes of the chaos gods and his own fearsome appearance. Cited in books as being the third strongest of the gods, until a jolly plague party pops up, where he temporarily overshadows his brothers until the party(participants) dies off. He runs a carnival in Warhammer Fantasy proving once more that all clowns are evil beings full of disease that want to take you away from your parents. God of Persistence/Stagnation despite his whole schtick being entropy and growth, or (since this is chaos) as the girl says, “Why not both?”

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	{{topquote\|The urge to destroy is also a creative urge.\|Mikhail Bakunin}}		{{topquote\|The urge to destroy is also a creative urge.\|Mikhail Bakunin}}
	{{topquote\|What could possibly go wrong?\|Almost Every single being who ever signed a pact with a demon.}}		{{topquote\|What could possibly go wrong?\|Almost Every single being who ever signed a pact with a demon.}}
			{{topquote\|This thing that runs through you, this chaotic force you proclaim as freedom, is not a disease to be caught on contact. It is the layer of emotion behind reality, a poison that has achieved near sentience. It makes its prey into willing victims in their own damnation... This thing, this force, cannot be cured, Magnus. You cannot pray it away once the rot sets in. Once you are on the Path… your fate is sealed. \|Primarch Vulkan}}
	'''Chaos''' is a concept which appears in various games, including [[40k]], [[Warhammer: Age of Sigmar]], [[WFRP]], [[Warhammer Fantasy Battles]] and the ''[[Fighting Fantasy]]'' books. There is even [[Chaos in the Old World\|a board game dedicated to Chaos]] where you get to play as the major powers.		'''Chaos''' is a concept which appears in various games, including [[40k]], [[Warhammer: Age of Sigmar]], [[WFRP]], [[Warhammer Fantasy Battles]] and the ''[[Fighting Fantasy]]'' books. There is even [[Chaos in the Old World\|a board game dedicated to Chaos]] where you get to play as the major powers.
	It means more than simple disorder, and incorporates elements of the [[Lovecraft]]ian concepts of godlike tentacled abominations, evil cults, and "things man was not meant to know" with a 1950s B-movie interpretation of nuclear radiation. There is even a material, [[warpstone]], which is analogous to fissile material with regard to chaos.		It means more than simple disorder, and incorporates elements of the [[Lovecraft]]ian concepts of godlike tentacled abominations, evil cults, and "things man was not meant to know" with a 1950s B-movie interpretation of nuclear radiation. There is even a material, [[warpstone]], which is analogous to fissile material with regard to chaos.

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	{{topquote\|The urge to destroy is also a creative urge.\|Mikhail Bakunin}}		{{topquote\|The urge to destroy is also a creative urge.\|Mikhail Bakunin}}
	{{topquote\|What could possibly go wrong?\|Almost Every single being who ever signed a pact with a demon.}}		{{topquote\|What could possibly go wrong?\|Almost Every single being who ever signed a pact with a demon.}}
			{{topquote\|This thing that runs through you, this chaotic force you proclaim as freedom, is not a disease to be caught on contact. It is the layer of emotion behind reality, a poison that has achieved near sentience. It makes its prey into willing victims in their own damnation... This thing, this force, cannot be cured, Magnus. You cannot pray it away once the rot sets in. Once you are on the Path… your fate is sealed. \|Primarch Vulkan}}
	'''Chaos''' is a concept which appears in various games, including [[40k]], [[Warhammer: Age of Sigmar]], [[WFRP]], [[Warhammer Fantasy Battles]] and the ''[[Fighting Fantasy]]'' books. There is even [[Chaos in the Old World\|a board game dedicated to Chaos]] where you get to play as the major powers.		'''Chaos''' is a concept which appears in various games, including [[40k]], [[Warhammer: Age of Sigmar]], [[WFRP]], [[Warhammer Fantasy Battles]] and the ''[[Fighting Fantasy]]'' books. There is even [[Chaos in the Old World\|a board game dedicated to Chaos]] where you get to play as the major powers.
	It means more than simple disorder, and incorporates elements of the [[Lovecraft]]ian concepts of godlike tentacled abominations, evil cults, and "things man was not meant to know" with a 1950s B-movie interpretation of nuclear radiation. There is even a material, [[warpstone]], which is analogous to fissile material with regard to chaos.		It means more than simple disorder, and incorporates elements of the [[Lovecraft]]ian concepts of godlike tentacled abominations, evil cults, and "things man was not meant to know" with a 1950s B-movie interpretation of nuclear radiation. There is even a material, [[warpstone]], which is analogous to fissile material with regard to chaos.