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	{{Topquote\|The treachery of demons is nothing compared to the betrayal of an angel.\|Brenna Yovanoff}}		{{Topquote\|The treachery of demons is nothing compared to the betrayal of an angel.\|Brenna Yovanoff}}
	[[File:Crimson Slaughter Chaos Marine ukitakumuki.jpg\|thumb\|500px\|right\|Chaos up in this ~~motherfucker~~.]]		[[File:Crimson Slaughter Chaos Marine ukitakumuki.jpg\|thumb\|500px\|right\|Chaos up in this mother.]]

	'''Chaos Space Marines''' (also known as '''Heretic Astartes''' and '''Astartes Traitoris''') are, simply enough, [[Space Marines]] that have fallen to, or were inducted to, [[Chaos]]. They are also one of the main factions in [[Warhammer 40,000]]. The first Chaos Marines were born during the [[Horus Heresy]] from the nine [[Traitor Legion]]s. Since then, many Space Marines (and even a few full [[Space Marine Chapter\|Chapters]]) have gone rogue, becoming Renegades. However, this is mostly a [[fluff]] distinction, as the [[Codex]] (or the models for that matter) does not differentiate between the two.		'''Chaos Space Marines''' (also known as '''Heretic Astartes''' and '''Astartes Traitoris''') are, simply enough, [[Space Marines]] that have fallen to, or were inducted to, [[Chaos]]. They are also one of the main factions in [[Warhammer 40,000]]. The first Chaos Marines were born during the [[Horus Heresy]] from the nine [[Traitor Legion]]s. Since then, many Space Marines (and even a few full [[Space Marine Chapter\|Chapters]]) have gone rogue, becoming Renegades. However, this is mostly a [[fluff]] distinction, as the [[Codex]] (or the models for that matter) does not differentiate between the two.

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	=== Renegades ===		=== Renegades ===
	The legions of old are not the only source of Chaos Space Marines, with the fluff no longer being clear on whether they even are the largest source anymore. It's either the traitor legions or the Ultramarines who have produced the most Chaos Marines and renegade Chapters. Loyalist marines get turned to Chaos like all the time (well, okay, it's actually pretty rare considering the limited numbers of Space Marines, but significant enough). Most often it's just a few individual marines or squads, sometimes going as far as entire companies, and rarely (but not rarely enough) entire chapters turn to Chaos. Sometimes it's the Imperium's own fault for turning initially loyal marines against the system due to a misunderstanding or an overzealous Inquisitor declaring them heretics and the new 'renegades' then realize that since no matter what they do they'll be viewed as traitors by the Imperium, they may as well become traitors in reality. Sometimes, like with the [[Abyssal Crusade]], it's a case of [[just as planned]] succeeding so hard Tzeentch isn't even miffed that particular plot gets tied up. Other times, marines "caught" some Chaos taint due to fighting Chaos too much without proper Librarian control (bonus points if Librarians themselves get corrupted), committing terrible crimes in their fights against Ruinous Powers, or trying to fight Chaos with Chaos, like the [[Relictors]]. And finally, a Chapters' own flaws in temperament may leave them all too easily manipulated into bringing their damnation upon themselves.		The legions of old are not the only source of Chaos Space Marines, with the fluff no longer being clear on whether they even are the largest source anymore. It's either the traitor legions or the Ultramarines who have produced the most Chaos Marines and renegade Chapters. Loyalist marines get turned to Chaos like all the time (well, okay, it's actually pretty rare considering the limited numbers of Space Marines, but significant enough). Most often it's just a few individual marines or squads, sometimes going as far as entire companies, and rarely (but not rarely enough) entire chapters turn to Chaos. Sometimes it's the Imperium's own fault for turning initially loyal marines against the system due to a misunderstanding or an overzealous Inquisitor declaring them heretics and the new 'renegades' then realize that since no matter what they do they'll be viewed as traitors by the Imperium, they may as well become traitors in reality. Sometimes, like with the [[Abyssal Crusade]], it's a case of [[just as planned]] succeeding so hard Tzeentch isn't even miffed that particular plot gets tied up. Other times, marines "caught" some Chaos taint due to fighting Chaos too much without proper Librarian control (bonus points if Librarians themselves get corrupted), committing terrible crimes in their fights against Ruinous Powers, or trying to fight Chaos with Chaos, like the [[Relictors]]. And finally, a Chapters' own flaws in temperament may leave them all too easily manipulated into bringing their damnation upon themselves, or [[Crimson Slaughter]]'s case, the loyalist elements of Fourth Company broke away when they fell.

	What is the most surprising, is that shit still happens despite loyalist marines being heavily brainwashed, even more than Death Korps of Krieg or Sisters of Battle (both of which are famous for having close to zero Chaos corruption rate). More so, marines even have a specific organ, to make them even more brainwashable. Some speculate the reason behind this is just Astartes longevity - after all SoBs and Kriegers didn't get continuously exposed to Ruinous Powers for hundreds of years. Others say that marines are just naturally susceptible to corruption, which makes sense if you believe the story daemons tell: that Primarchs were made with the help of The Four, and were given their power to make them something more than just genetically engineered humans. A theory from 30k states that the reason Marines are more easily turned to Chaos is that Marines naturally are fanatical in almost anything they do, and when feeling scolded by the very thing they are fanatical about it makes them do a full 180" to worship something else instead. This is what happened to the [[Word Bearers]], and most modern-day Marines are <s>at least as religious as the Word Bearers were before the Horus Heresy</s> either atheist or view the Emperor as a sort of Living Saint. Marines that worship anything are rare and looked upon as oddballs by the rest of the Adeptus Astartes. Usually it's whole Chapters rather than individuals that do it. Being Space Marines are highly valued by Chaos, they might simply be singled out for dedicated attempts to corrupt them whereas even Sisters of Battle are basically ignored and either get corrupted the same way as Guardsmen or not at all because Chaos doesn't care about them. It does care about Astartes.		What is the most surprising, is that shit still happens despite loyalist marines being heavily brainwashed, even more than Death Korps of Krieg or Sisters of Battle (both of which are famous for having close to zero Chaos corruption rate). More so, marines even have a specific organ, to make them even more brainwashable. Some speculate the reason behind this is just Astartes longevity - after all SoBs and Kriegers didn't get continuously exposed to Ruinous Powers for hundreds of years. Others say that marines are just naturally susceptible to corruption, which makes sense if you believe the story daemons tell: that Primarchs were made with the help of The Four, and were given their power to make them something more than just genetically engineered humans. A theory from 30k states that the reason Marines are more easily turned to Chaos is that Marines naturally are fanatical in almost anything they do, and when feeling scolded by the very thing they are fanatical about it makes them do a full 180" to worship something else instead. This is what happened to the [[Word Bearers]], and most modern-day Marines are <s>at least as religious as the Word Bearers were before the Horus Heresy</s> either atheist or view the Emperor as a sort of Living Saint. Marines that worship anything are rare and looked upon as oddballs by the rest of the Adeptus Astartes. Usually it's whole Chapters rather than individuals that do it. Being Space Marines are highly valued by Chaos, they might simply be singled out for dedicated attempts to corrupt them whereas even Sisters of Battle are basically ignored and either get corrupted the same way as Guardsmen or not at all because Chaos doesn't care about them. It does care about Astartes.

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	No matter the true reason behind, this shit happens, and from one retcon to another after-Heresy chapter renegades become more and more prevalent to the point that they could actually outnumber the old Legions, even if the Black Legion isn't shy about inducting any who is willing to join and swear fealty to [[Abaddon]] amongst their ranks.		No matter the true reason behind, this shit happens, and from one retcon to another after-Heresy chapter renegades become more and more prevalent to the point that they could actually outnumber the old Legions, even if the Black Legion isn't shy about inducting any who is willing to join and swear fealty to [[Abaddon]] amongst their ranks.

	Although, "Renegade" is also used to refer to non-Chaos aligned Astartes and other rogue but non-Chaos forces. They aren't generally against the Imperium, either. At worst just pirating as needed to survive and little else but it isn’t uncommon for them to (futilely) trying to find absolution or [[Soul Drinkers\|just ignoring their own expulsion and continuing to serve as usual]]. Which is hilarious.		Although, "Renegade" is also used to refer to [[Ashen Claws\|non-Chaos aligned Astartes]] and other rogue but non-Chaos forces. They aren't generally against the Imperium, either. At worst just pirating as needed to survive and little else but it isn’t uncommon for them to (futilely) trying to find absolution or [[Soul Drinkers\|just ignoring their own expulsion and continuing to serve as usual]]. Which is hilarious.

	==A "Meta-History" of Sorts==		==A "Meta-History" of Sorts==

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	*[[Night Lords]]: Their Primarch was [[Konrad Curze]] (also known as the Night Haunter). They're basically space-terrorists, which (unsurprisingly) means they created Raptors, the sociopathic, predatory answer to the loyalists' Assault Marines. They prefer ambush tactics, which is quite difficult when you're walking around in Power Amour and wearing stupid bat-wing helmets. They also like screaming like maniacs to cause terror. They are one of the few legions (in fact, pretty much the only one) who refuse to employ Daemons or live in the Eye of Terror. (Well, at least the warbands that remained loyal to Kurze's vision. The biggest extant warband worships Chaos and is lead by a Daemon Prince.) They're one of the few Traitor Legion that has a dead Primarch, on account of Curze's desire to go down in a fucked up version of suicide by cop to vindicate his obsessive belief that monsters and criminals should be put down like rabid dogs.		*[[Night Lords]]: Their Primarch was [[Konrad Curze]] (also known as the Night Haunter). They're basically space-terrorists, which (unsurprisingly) means they created Raptors, the sociopathic, predatory answer to the loyalists' Assault Marines. They prefer ambush tactics, which is quite difficult when you're walking around in Power Amour and wearing stupid bat-wing helmets. They also like screaming like maniacs to cause terror. They are one of the few legions (in fact, pretty much the only one) who refuse to employ Daemons or live in the Eye of Terror. (Well, at least the warbands that remained loyal to Kurze's vision. The biggest extant warband worships Chaos and is lead by a Daemon Prince.) They're one of the few Traitor Legion that has a dead Primarch, on account of Curze's desire to go down in a fucked up version of suicide by cop to vindicate his obsessive belief that monsters and criminals should be put down like rabid dogs.

	*[[World Eaters]]: [[Angron]]- A legion of rabid, khorne worshiping bloodshed-obsessed maniacs, that was handpicked by the Emperor to be agressive, murderous, psycho attack-dogs from the very beginning. Dissolved after [[Kharn]] turned the legion against themselves, what a guy. Now acting as roaming warbands and mercenaries. They still unite every now and then when Angron wants to fuck something's shit up, such as [[Cadia]]. The <s>only</s> legion known to get shit done when called up to do so.		*[[World Eaters]]: [[Angron]]- A legion of rabid, khorne worshiping, bloodshed-obsessed maniacs, that was handpicked by the Emperor to be agressive, murderous, psycho attack-dogs from the very beginning. Dissolved after [[Kharn]] turned the legion against themselves, what a guy. Now acting as roaming warbands and mercenaries. They still unite every now and then when Angron wants to fuck something's shit up, such as [[Cadia]]. The <s>only</s> legion known to get shit done when called up to do so.

	*[[Death Guard]]: [[Mortarion]] - Didn't show up much in the fluff until the release of the Death Guard codex, though plague marines and champions can be found in many other warbands and, next to world-eater berserkers, are the most common cult unit. Also before Thirteenth Black Crusade Typhus's Plague Fleet kicked major ass in systems all around the Eye of Terror, turning entire planetary populations into zombies. As of 8th edition, they are now their own separate army. Oh, and Mortarion has returned, and his model is [[skub\|controversial in terms of appearance]]. They also possess a planet known as the "Plague Planet".		*[[Death Guard]]: [[Mortarion]] - Didn't show up much in the fluff until the release of the Death Guard codex, though plague marines and champions can be found in many other warbands and, next to world-eater berserkers, are the most common cult unit. Also before Thirteenth Black Crusade Typhus's Plague Fleet kicked major ass in systems all around the Eye of Terror, turning entire planetary populations into zombies. As of 8th edition, they are now their own separate army. Oh, and Mortarion has returned, and his model is [[skub\|controversial in terms of appearance]]. They also possess a planet known as the "Plague Planet".

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	*[[Night Lords]]: Their Primarch was [[Konrad Curze]] (also known as the Night Haunter). They're basically space-terrorists, which (unsurprisingly) means they created Raptors, the sociopathic, predatory answer to the loyalists' Assault Marines. They prefer ambush tactics, which is quite difficult when you're walking around in Power Amour and wearing stupid bat-wing helmets. They also like screaming like maniacs to cause terror. They are one of the few legions (in fact, pretty much the only one) who refuse to employ Daemons or live in the Eye of Terror. (Well, at least the warbands that remained loyal to Kurze's vision. The biggest extant warband worships Chaos and is lead by a Daemon Prince.) They're one of the few Traitor Legion that has a dead Primarch, on account of Curze's desire to go down in a fucked up version of suicide by cop to vindicate his obsessive belief that monsters and criminals should be put down like rabid dogs.		*[[Night Lords]]: Their Primarch was [[Konrad Curze]] (also known as the Night Haunter). They're basically space-terrorists, which (unsurprisingly) means they created Raptors, the sociopathic, predatory answer to the loyalists' Assault Marines. They prefer ambush tactics, which is quite difficult when you're walking around in Power Amour and wearing stupid bat-wing helmets. They also like screaming like maniacs to cause terror. They are one of the few legions (in fact, pretty much the only one) who refuse to employ Daemons or live in the Eye of Terror. (Well, at least the warbands that remained loyal to Kurze's vision. The biggest extant warband worships Chaos and is lead by a Daemon Prince.) They're one of the few Traitor Legion that has a dead Primarch, on account of Curze's desire to go down in a fucked up version of suicide by cop to vindicate his obsessive belief that monsters and criminals should be put down like rabid dogs.

	*[[World Eaters]]: [[Angron]]- Dissolved after [[Kharn]] turned the legion against themselves, what a guy. Now acting as roaming warbands and mercenaries. They still unite every now and then when Angron wants to fuck something's shit up, such as [[Cadia]]. The <s>only</s> legion known to get shit done when called up to do so.		*[[World Eaters]]: [[Angron]]- A legion of rabid, khorne worshiping bloodshed-obsessed maniacs, that was handpicked by the Emperor to be agressive, murderous, psycho attack-dogs from the very beginning. Dissolved after [[Kharn]] turned the legion against themselves, what a guy. Now acting as roaming warbands and mercenaries. They still unite every now and then when Angron wants to fuck something's shit up, such as [[Cadia]]. The <s>only</s> legion known to get shit done when called up to do so.

	*[[Death Guard]]: [[Mortarion]] - Didn't show up much in the fluff until the release of the Death Guard codex, though plague marines and champions can be found in many other warbands and, next to world-eater berserkers, are the most common cult unit. Also before Thirteenth Black Crusade Typhus's Plague Fleet kicked major ass in systems all around the Eye of Terror, turning entire planetary populations into zombies. As of 8th edition, they are now their own separate army. Oh, and Mortarion has returned, and his model is [[skub\|controversial in terms of appearance]]. They also possess a planet known as the "Plague Planet".		*[[Death Guard]]: [[Mortarion]] - Didn't show up much in the fluff until the release of the Death Guard codex, though plague marines and champions can be found in many other warbands and, next to world-eater berserkers, are the most common cult unit. Also before Thirteenth Black Crusade Typhus's Plague Fleet kicked major ass in systems all around the Eye of Terror, turning entire planetary populations into zombies. As of 8th edition, they are now their own separate army. Oh, and Mortarion has returned, and his model is [[skub\|controversial in terms of appearance]]. They also possess a planet known as the "Plague Planet".

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	{{Topquote\|And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and [[Horus\|a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer]]<br>And there went out another horse that was red: [[Abaddon\|and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth]], and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a [[Talon of Horus\|great sword]]. <br>And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a [[Tzeentch\|pair of balances]] in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say: [[Nurgle\|"A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny]]; [[Slaanesh\|and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."]]<br>And I looked, and behold a [[Vengeful Spirit\|pale horse]]: and his name that sat on him was [[Chaos\|Death]], and [[Warp\|Hell]] followed with him.<br>And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with [[Black Legion\|sword]], and with [[World Eaters\|hunger]], and with [[Death Guard\|death]], and with [[Chaos Spawn\|the beasts of the earth.]]\|Revelation 6:8}}		{{Topquote\|And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and [[Horus\|a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer]]<br>And there went out another horse that was red: [[Abaddon\|and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth]], and that they should [[Khorne\|kill one another]]: and there was given unto him a [[Talon of Horus\|great sword]]. <br>And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a [[Tzeentch\|pair of balances]] in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say: [[Nurgle\|"A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny]]; [[Slaanesh\|and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."]]<br>And I looked, and behold a [[Vengeful Spirit\|pale horse]]: and his name that sat on him was [[Chaos\|Death]], and [[Warp\|Hell]] followed with him.<br>And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with [[Black Legion\|sword]], and with [[World Eaters\|hunger]], and with [[Death Guard\|death]], and with [[Chaos Spawn\|the beasts of the earth.]]\|Revelation 6:8}}

	{{Topquote\|The treachery of demons is nothing compared to the betrayal of an angel.\|Brenna Yovanoff}}		{{Topquote\|The treachery of demons is nothing compared to the betrayal of an angel.\|Brenna Yovanoff}}

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	{{Topquote\|The treachery of demons is nothing compared to the betrayal of an angel.\|Brenna Yovanoff}}		{{Topquote\|The treachery of demons is nothing compared to the betrayal of an angel.\|Brenna Yovanoff}}
	[[File:Crimson Slaughter Chaos Marine ukitakumuki.jpg\|thumb\|500px\|right\|Chaos up in this ~~motherfucker~~.]]		[[File:Crimson Slaughter Chaos Marine ukitakumuki.jpg\|thumb\|500px\|right\|Chaos up in this mother.]]

	'''Chaos Space Marines''' (also known as '''Heretic Astartes''' and '''Astartes Traitoris''') are, simply enough, [[Space Marines]] that have fallen to, or were inducted to, [[Chaos]]. They are also one of the main factions in [[Warhammer 40,000]]. The first Chaos Marines were born during the [[Horus Heresy]] from the nine [[Traitor Legion]]s. Since then, many Space Marines (and even a few full [[Space Marine Chapter\|Chapters]]) have gone rogue, becoming Renegades. However, this is mostly a [[fluff]] distinction, as the [[Codex]] (or the models for that matter) does not differentiate between the two.		'''Chaos Space Marines''' (also known as '''Heretic Astartes''' and '''Astartes Traitoris''') are, simply enough, [[Space Marines]] that have fallen to, or were inducted to, [[Chaos]]. They are also one of the main factions in [[Warhammer 40,000]]. The first Chaos Marines were born during the [[Horus Heresy]] from the nine [[Traitor Legion]]s. Since then, many Space Marines (and even a few full [[Space Marine Chapter\|Chapters]]) have gone rogue, becoming Renegades. However, this is mostly a [[fluff]] distinction, as the [[Codex]] (or the models for that matter) does not differentiate between the two.