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	'''CharOp''' is the abbreviation commonly used to refer to the Character Optimisation board on [[Wizards of the Coast]]'s official forums. It is where players of WotC's games, usually [[Dungeons & Dragons]] of variable edition, ~~unite~~ in order to try and break the fuck out of the system any way they can. CharOp is responsible for finding most of the exploitable loopholes and badly-thought-through features in D&D, creating character builds such as [[Pun-Pun]], designing infinite feedback loops that make people infinitely good at something, and otherwise stacking bonuses in unexpected ways to break the game utterly. The only purpose of discourse is to make the [[powergaming\|best character possible]]; having a given concept actually make sense is mostly irrelevant, so a CharOp player would gladly use a half-orc wizard or halfing fighter even though it doesn't make sense in the lore or the system, if there were any loophole that would allow for it to be effective.		'''CharOp''' is the abbreviation commonly used to refer to the Character Optimisation board on [[Wizards of the Coast]]'s official forums. It <s>is</s> ''was'' where players of WotC's games, usually [[Dungeons & Dragons]] of variable edition, united in order to try and break the fuck out of the system any way they can. CharOp is responsible for finding most of the exploitable loopholes and badly-thought-through features in D&D, creating character builds such as [[Pun-Pun]], designing infinite feedback loops that make people infinitely good at something, and otherwise stacking bonuses in unexpected ways to break the game utterly. The only purpose of discourse is to make the [[powergaming\|best character possible]]; having a given concept actually make sense is mostly irrelevant, so a CharOp player would gladly use a half-orc wizard or halfing fighter even though it doesn't make sense in the lore or the system, if there were any loophole that would allow for it to be effective.

	CharOp can be useful for learning about a Class you've never played, but using them in an actual campaign makes you [[that guy]] unless your DM is fine with it.		CharOp can be useful for learning about a Class you've never played, but using them in an actual campaign makes you [[that guy]] unless your DM is fine with it.
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	* [[Tier System]] so that your party won't have a huge spread of power levels, or which classes to pick so everyone is Super Sayan.		* [[Tier System]] so that your party won't have a huge spread of power levels, or which classes to pick so everyone is Super Sayan.
	* [[Tarrasque#How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels\|How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels]]		* [[Tarrasque#How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels\|How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels]]
	* [~~http~~://~~community~~.~~wizards~~.~~com~~/~~charop~~/~~wiki~~/~~Broken CharOp wiki] at Wizards of the Coast for (4e D&D)~~		* [https://web.archive.org/web/20130831221856/http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken CharOp wiki] archive for detailing ways to break 4e. Purged by WotC because they don't want people to know how bad they are at balance.
	** or just skip to the part of the wiki that describes [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken ways to break ~~the game]~~.

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	'''CharOp''' is the abbreviation commonly used to refer to the Character Optimisation board on [[Wizards of the Coast]]'s official forums. It is where players of WotC's games, usually [[Dungeons & Dragons]] of variable edition, unite in order to try and break the fuck out of the system any way they can. CharOp is responsible for finding most of the exploitable loopholes and badly-thought-through features in D&D, creating character builds such as [[Pun-Pun]], designing infinite feedback loops that make people infinitely good at something, and otherwise stacking bonuses in unexpected ways to break the game utterly. The only purpose of discourse is to make the best character possible; having a given concept actually make sense is mostly irrelevant, so a ~~charop~~ player would gladly use a half-orc wizard or halfing fighter even though it doesn't make sense in the system, if there were any loophole that would allow for it to be effective.		'''CharOp''' is the abbreviation commonly used to refer to the Character Optimisation board on [[Wizards of the Coast]]'s official forums. It is where players of WotC's games, usually [[Dungeons & Dragons]] of variable edition, unite in order to try and break the fuck out of the system any way they can. CharOp is responsible for finding most of the exploitable loopholes and badly-thought-through features in D&D, creating character builds such as [[Pun-Pun]], designing infinite feedback loops that make people infinitely good at something, and otherwise stacking bonuses in unexpected ways to break the game utterly. The only purpose of discourse is to make the [[powergaming\|best character possible]]; having a given concept actually make sense is mostly irrelevant, so a CharOp player would gladly use a half-orc wizard or halfing fighter even though it doesn't make sense in the lore or the system, if there were any loophole that would allow for it to be effective.

	CharOp can be useful for learning about a ~~class~~ you've never played, but using them in an actual campaign makes you [[that guy]] unless your DM is fine with it.		CharOp can be useful for learning about a Class you've never played, but using them in an actual campaign makes you [[that guy]] unless your DM is fine with it.

	==See Also==		==See Also==

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	'''CharOp''' is the abbreviation commonly used to refer to the Character Optimisation board on [[Wizards of the Coast]]'s official forums. It is where players of WotC's games, usually [[Dungeons & Dragons]] of variable edition, unite in order to try and break the fuck out of the system any way they can. CharOp is responsible for finding most of the exploitable loopholes and badly-thought-through features in D&D, creating character builds such as [[Pun-Pun]], designing infinite feedback loops that make people infinitely good at something, and otherwise stacking bonuses in unexpected ways to break the game utterly. The only purpose of discourse is to make the best character possible; having a given concept actually make sense is mostly irrelevant, so a charop player would gladly use a half-orc wizard or halfing fighter even though it doesn't make sense in the system, if there were any loophole that would allow for it to be effective.		'''CharOp''' is the abbreviation commonly used to refer to the Character Optimisation board on [[Wizards of the Coast]]'s official forums. It is where players of WotC's games, usually [[Dungeons & Dragons]] of variable edition, unite in order to try and break the fuck out of the system any way they can. CharOp is responsible for finding most of the exploitable loopholes and badly-thought-through features in D&D, creating character builds such as [[Pun-Pun]], designing infinite feedback loops that make people infinitely good at something, and otherwise stacking bonuses in unexpected ways to break the game utterly. The only purpose of discourse is to make the best character possible; having a given concept actually make sense is mostly irrelevant, so a charop player would gladly use a half-orc wizard or halfing fighter even though it doesn't make sense in the system, if there were any loophole that would allow for it to be effective.

			CharOp can be useful for learning about a class you've never played, but using them in an actual campaign makes you [[that guy]] unless your DM is fine with it.

	==See Also==		==See Also==

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	Another example party is the 'Radiant Whore' party. This includes 4 paladins, and a warlord. The paladins can deal a large amount of radiant damage, and can inflict high levels of 'radiant vulnerability' on a chosen monster. The warlord can multiclass and take a path that allows it to exploit this vulnerability, as well as several powerful abilities that work best with melee characters. The end result is a party, with no 'striker' characters, that nonetheless deal 'striker' level damage consistently, even with their basic attacks, with all the benefits of being a party full of defenders and a leader.		Another example party is the 'Radiant Whore' party. This includes 4 paladins, and a warlord. The paladins can deal a large amount of radiant damage, and can inflict high levels of 'radiant vulnerability' on a chosen monster. The warlord can multiclass and take a path that allows it to exploit this vulnerability, as well as several powerful abilities that work best with melee characters. The end result is a party, with no 'striker' characters, that nonetheless deal 'striker' level damage consistently, even with their basic attacks, with all the benefits of being a party full of defenders and a leader.

			===Complications with this Optimization Method===
			There are, however, predictable issues with simply focusing on accumulating +1 to Hit in a D&D game. In 4E, AC, Fortitude, Reflex, and Will are all static numbers rather than rolled, meaning that defenses, too, cant be stacked with +1 bonuses in order to effectively counter the benefit of a character focused on attacks. This makes it rather easy for a DM who is weary of the hit-stacker's antics to simply raise one or more of the monster's defenses in exchange for lowering its hit points, effectively evening out the situation again by making the hit-ratio less in the favor of the players, but also requiring them to do less damage. Unfortunately however, so much devotion to a hit bonus might have limited feat and item choices that could have allowed the party more survivability in the encounter, or more ability to resist negative effects placed on them. Stacking +1 to Hit is a simple and shallow optimization principle that is very risky to dedicate a character to, with little pay off.

			Worse, by stacking hit, you limit your damage output severely by using weapons with smaller hit dice - daily and encounter powers generally multiply a weapon's dice but not the ability modifier, so stacking Strength for Hit doesn't benefit damage when using such powers as much as using a weapon with a better damage dice. Not only that, but as you get higher up in levels, dice multiply further for higher level powers which you replace your old powers with, and your At-Wills even being hitting for twice the dice, but not twice the modifier. Thus, in the long run, worrying too much about Hit and sacrificing high damage weapons can be a doubled-edged blade resulting in consistent but low damage hit. Not to mention a prime complaint among 4E critics is the high amount of HP that monsters have; you will NEED that damage.

			And worst of all, you miss out on one of the most important part of 4E combat - tactics. By focusing too much on +1 to Hit, you miss out on raising the other ability necessary to boost your powers. For example, a Shielding Swordmage can absorb damage dealt to allies by applying his Constitution modifier as a damage soak. A Swordmage who has left his Constitution weak in favor of Intelligence for more accurate attacks might not be able to properly defend his party, and this could result in a TPK. Another example would be with classes that move enemy targets by using push/pull/slide mechanics - they almost ALWAYS rely upon an ability modifier unrelated to your attack stat. The ability to maneuver targets into your teammate's area effects, or into difficult/hindering terrain (or say, off a cliff or into a Fighter's threatened square) is amazingly rewarding in 4E, but you miss out on it if you focus on a hit-fisher.

			Same goes for magic items - you miss out on many items that do extra damage, apply Ongoing Damage, grant you saves and temporary hit points, and all kinds of other goodies simply by focusing on getting that extra +1 Magic Weapon. Not to mention it's not fun just worrying about numbers. No party survives on +1 Hit alone, unless their DM is willing to pit them only against enemies with high defenses, low HP, and offensive capability.

			So what is one left to do if their +to Hit is behind? Well, you could look to your party, many of them can grant you Combat Advantage or power bonuses that will help you hit your enemies. Or, you could look for more accurate powers, like daily powers that can't miss, at-wills that grant a +2 bonus to Hit, or area powers that hit more foes and therefore are more likely to hit someone.

	==Optimization in 3.5==		==Optimization in 3.5==

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	*[[D&D Optimization]], which also contains tips for 4e optimization.		*[[D&D Optimization]], which also contains tips for 4e optimization.
	* [[Pun-Pun]]		* [[Pun-Pun]]
			* [[Tier System]] so that your party won't have a huge spread of power levels, or which classes to pick so everyone is Super Sayan.
	* [[Tarrasque#How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels\|How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels]]		* [[Tarrasque#How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels\|How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels]]
	* [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken CharOp wiki] at Wizards of the Coast for (4e D&D)		* [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken CharOp wiki] at Wizards of the Coast for (4e D&D)
	** or just skip to the part of the wiki that describes [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken ways to break the game].		** or just skip to the part of the wiki that describes [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken ways to break the game].

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	==See Also==		==See Also==
	*[[D&D Optimization]], which also contains tips for 4e optimization		*[[D&D Optimization]], which also contains tips for 4e optimization.
	* [[Pun-Pun]]		* [[Pun-Pun]]
	* [[Tarrasque#How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels\|How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels]]		* [[Tarrasque#How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels\|How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels]]
	* [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken CharOp wiki] at Wizards of the Coast for (4e D&D)		* [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken CharOp wiki] at Wizards of the Coast for (4e D&D)
	** or just skip to the part of the wiki that describes [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken ways to break the game].		** or just skip to the part of the wiki that describes [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken ways to break the game].

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	==See Also==		==See Also==
			*[[D&D Optimization]], which also contains tips for 4e optimization
	* [[Pun-Pun]]		* [[Pun-Pun]]
	* [[Tarrasque#How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels\|How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels]]		* [[Tarrasque#How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels\|How to Kill A Tarrasque in 20 Easy Levels]]
	* [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken CharOp wiki] at Wizards of the Coast for (4e D&D)		* [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken CharOp wiki] at Wizards of the Coast for (4e D&D)
	** or just skip to the part of the wiki that describes [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken ways to break the game].		** or just skip to the part of the wiki that describes [http://community.wizards.com/charop/wiki/Broken ways to break the game].