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	* The iconic marble statues were originally painted with colourful paints. The paints have just decayed much quicker than the stone they covered.		* The iconic marble statues were originally painted with colourful paints. The paints have just decayed much quicker than the stone they covered.
	* Glass as something other than beads began to be made and used for cups, plates, jars and similar, as well as for windows to a limited degree. Glass blowing was a big industry in the Roman Empire, though it was still cloudy. Clear glass was exceptionally hard to make until the late middle ages when Soda Ash was introduced as a flux.		* Glass as something other than beads began to be made and used for cups, plates, jars and similar, as well as for windows to a limited degree. Glass blowing was a big industry in the Roman Empire, though it was still cloudy. Clear glass was exceptionally hard to make until the late middle ages when Soda Ash was introduced as a flux.
	* Regular trade across the breadth of Eurasia had begun around 100 BCE ~~and continuing from there~~. Silk from China, Spices from Southeast Asia and Sugar from New Guinea were routinely exported to Ancient Greece and Rome. The Routes were long, dangerous and involved numerous middle men. Never the less the profit was considerable.		* Regular trade across the breadth of Eurasia had begun around 100 BCE. Silk from China, Spices from Southeast Asia and Sugar from New Guinea were routinely exported to Ancient Greece and Rome. The Routes were long, dangerous and involved numerous middle men. Never the less the profit was considerable. So much so that Roman Policians were concerned about the Trade Imbalance with the Far East.

	==The appeal of the Classical Period==		==The appeal of the Classical Period==

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	* The iconic marble statues were originally painted with colourful paints. The paints have just decayed much quicker than the stone they covered.		* The iconic marble statues were originally painted with colourful paints. The paints have just decayed much quicker than the stone they covered.
	* Glass as something other than beads began to be made and used for cups, plates, jars and similar, as well as for windows to a limited degree. Glass blowing was a big industry in the Roman Empire, though it was still cloudy. Clear glass was exceptionally hard to make until the late middle ages when Soda Ash was introduced as a flux.		* Glass as something other than beads began to be made and used for cups, plates, jars and similar, as well as for windows to a limited degree. Glass blowing was a big industry in the Roman Empire, though it was still cloudy. Clear glass was exceptionally hard to make until the late middle ages when Soda Ash was introduced as a flux.
			* Regular trade across the breadth of Eurasia had begun around 100 BCE and continuing from there. Silk from China, Spices from Southeast Asia and Sugar from New Guinea were routinely exported to Ancient Greece and Rome. The Routes were long, dangerous and involved numerous middle men. Never the less the profit was considerable.

	==The appeal of the Classical Period==		==The appeal of the Classical Period==

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	[[File:Life in ancient rome.jpg\|250px\|thumb\|~~left~~\|Life in Ancient Rome]]		[[File:Life in ancient rome.jpg\|250px\|thumb\|right\|Life in Ancient Rome]]
	In the Mediterranean world/fertile crescent the [[Bronze Age]] is often said to have ended rather abruptly in a massive calamity called ''The Late Bronze Age Collapse''. Advanced civilizations which had cities, written language, mathmatics and fine products that had stood for thousands of years were swept away or faced major setbacks rather suddenly around the 12th century BCE. Exactly why this happened is [[skub\|a matter of contention]] and probably not just one thing (crop failure, foreign invaders [often called "The Sea People"], civil unrest and compounding breakdowns were most likely part of it) but regardless the result of which was that society took a fair number of steps back. But things bounced back as a new set of civilizations came about, though considerably different ones from what came before in Greece, the Levant and Italy around 800 BCE or so. Thus began the '''Classical Period'''.		In the Mediterranean world/fertile crescent the [[Bronze Age]] is often said to have ended rather abruptly in a massive calamity called ''The Late Bronze Age Collapse''. Advanced civilizations which had cities, written language, mathmatics and fine products that had stood for thousands of years were swept away or faced major setbacks rather suddenly around the 12th century BCE. Exactly why this happened is [[skub\|a matter of contention]] and probably not just one thing (crop failure, foreign invaders [often called "The Sea People"], civil unrest and compounding breakdowns were most likely part of it) but regardless the result of which was that society took a fair number of steps back. But things bounced back as a new set of civilizations came about, though considerably different ones from what came before in Greece, the Levant and Italy around 800 BCE or so. Thus began the '''Classical Period'''.

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	The most notable thing the Phonetician did was the invention of the Phonetic Alphabet. Earlier forms of writing had pictures represent syllables (Mesopotamian Cuneiform, Mycenaean Greek Linear B) or whole words (Egyptian Hieroglyphs) and required either hundreds or thousands of characters. The Phoenicians in contrast cut that down to 22 that represented a basic vocal sound, or phoneme.		The most notable thing the Phonetician did was the invention of the Phonetic Alphabet. Earlier forms of writing had pictures represent syllables (Mesopotamian Cuneiform, Mycenaean Greek Linear B) or whole words (Egyptian Hieroglyphs) and required either hundreds or thousands of characters. The Phoenicians in contrast cut that down to 22 that represented a basic vocal sound, or phoneme.

	===The Hellenic cities===		===The Hellenic cities===
	Emerging from the remains of the fallen Mycenaean civilization was a family of roughly similar societies on the coast of the Aegean Sea. They spoke roughly the same language, shared the same pantheon of Gods and had a similar set of stories. In particular they identified with the alliance which sent a thousand ships across the sea to rescue the Princess Hellen. Thus they identified themselves as being ''Hellenes''. Thanks to the Romans we call them Greeks.		Emerging from the remains of the fallen Mycenaean civilization was a family of roughly similar societies on the coast of the Aegean Sea. They spoke roughly the same language, shared the same pantheon of Gods and had a similar set of stories. In particular they identified with the alliance which sent a thousand ships across the sea to rescue the Princess Hellen. Thus they identified themselves as being ''Hellenes''. Thanks to the Romans we call them Greeks.
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	===Meanwhile in East Asia===		===Meanwhile in East Asia===

	In [[China]] and [[India]] and so forth things were going along their own paths removed from all this. Though it should be pointed out that roughly around the same time that Rome existed, the Qin and Han dynasties united China for the first time, being their equivalent of a “foundational” regime that would set political and cultural precedents for centuries to come. Before the west was done with this era though, the Han collapsed and China entered the bloody Three Kingdoms period before being formed into the Jin dynasty.		In [[China]] and [[India]] and so forth things were going along their own paths removed from all this. Though it should be pointed out that roughly around the same time that Rome existed, the Qin and Han dynasties united China for the first time, being their equivalent of a “foundational” regime that would set political and cultural precedents for centuries to come. Before the west was done with this era though, the Han collapsed and China entered the bloody Three Kingdoms period before being formed into the Jin dynasty.

	During this time in [[Japan]] the Yayoi period (starting around 1,000 BCE) happened as migrating people from the mainland came to the island chain [[rip and tear\|assimilating]] the earlier semi-agricultural Jomon peoples and is considered the start of Japanese Civilization as we'd know it.		During this time in [[Japan]] the Yayoi period (starting around 1,000 BCE) happened as migrating people from the mainland came to the island chain [[rip and tear\|assimilating]] the earlier semi-agricultural Jomon peoples and is considered the start of Japanese Civilization as we'd know it.

	== Notes ==		==Notes==
	* Writing became more common during this time period. Beforehand in the bronze age literacy was the domain of scribes and a few priests and nobles and existed primarily for purposes of administration first and religious purposes second. In the classical world it was fairly common for men and women who were not at the bottom of society to know their letters and using them much more widely. Probably because the Phoenicians developed the basics of phonetic writing during the Dark Age and it's easier to learn a few dozen symbols that represent short sounds than hundreds of symbols which represent syllables and words. Literacy would decline after the classical period.		* Writing became more common during this time period. Beforehand in the bronze age literacy was the domain of scribes and a few priests and nobles and existed primarily for purposes of administration first and religious purposes second. In the classical world it was fairly common for men and women who were not at the bottom of society to know their letters and using them much more widely. Probably because the Phoenicians developed the basics of phonetic writing during the Dark Age and it's easier to learn a few dozen symbols that represent short sounds than hundreds of symbols which represent syllables and words. Literacy would decline after the classical period.
	* Navies emerged as states realized the advantages of travelling over water as opposed to land, and pirates and enemy ships had to be accounted for. In the Medeterranian, the ship of choice was the Trireme.		* Navies emerged as states realized the advantages of travelling over water as opposed to land, and pirates and enemy ships had to be accounted for. In the Medeterranian, the ship of choice was the Trireme.
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	* Glass as something other than beads began to be made and used for cups, plates, jars and similar, as well as for windows to a limited degree. Glass blowing was a big industry in the Roman Empire, though it was still cloudy. Clear glass was exceptionally hard to make until the late middle ages when Soda Ash was introduced as a flux.		* Glass as something other than beads began to be made and used for cups, plates, jars and similar, as well as for windows to a limited degree. Glass blowing was a big industry in the Roman Empire, though it was still cloudy. Clear glass was exceptionally hard to make until the late middle ages when Soda Ash was introduced as a flux.

	== The appeal of the Classical Period ==		==The appeal of the Classical Period==
	Frankly the modern world has a serious Boner for this period. The link we have to the Bronze Age cultures is a bit tenuous at best, but The West sees the Greeks and the Romans as our fore bearers. People like the idea of Greek Philosophers discussing and debating the nature of the world and morality, of Romans forging order from chaos, spreading civilization and building magnificent buildings that stand to this day, Athenian Democracy and Spartan military excellence. Of course, that view is overly romantic and overlooks the nastier side of the period, from [[slavery]] to rampant xenophobia and sexism (especially with the Athenians, whose "democracy" was little more than a chaotic oligarchy with lots of speeches and the occasional angry mob) to the fact that this could be a rather brutal period with a lot of pig headed stupidity at the time. Many people have tried to emulate the better notions like bureaucracy and checks on power and build on them.		Frankly the modern world has a serious Boner for this period. The link we have to the Bronze Age cultures is a bit tenuous at best, but The West sees the Greeks and the Romans as our fore bearers. People like the idea of Greek Philosophers discussing and debating the nature of the world and morality, of Romans forging order from chaos, spreading civilization and building magnificent buildings that stand to this day, Athenian Democracy and Spartan military excellence. Of course, that view is overly romantic and overlooks the nastier side of the period, from [[slavery]] to rampant xenophobia and sexism (especially with the Athenians, whose "democracy" was little more than a chaotic oligarchy with lots of speeches and the occasional angry mob) to the fact that this could be a rather brutal period with a lot of pig headed stupidity at the time. Many people have tried to emulate the better notions like bureaucracy and checks on power and build on them.

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	Mind you, this stuff existed in a world where slavery was normal and unremarked on. Romans unironically complained about all the slaves taking their jobs, and some portion of them actually had a point: the modest farmers who got screwed by big landowners and aristocrats who bought them out while they were at war and then used their slaves to profit off of the land ended up creating a big urban poor population that was the cause of many of the late republic problems. Having criminals fight to the death was seen as prime penology (and good entertainment) and people sacrificed sheep so that next years' grape crops would yield a prime vintage was a regular part of religious lives.		Mind you, this stuff existed in a world where slavery was normal and unremarked on. Romans unironically complained about all the slaves taking their jobs, and some portion of them actually had a point: the modest farmers who got screwed by big landowners and aristocrats who bought them out while they were at war and then used their slaves to profit off of the land ended up creating a big urban poor population that was the cause of many of the late republic problems. Having criminals fight to the death was seen as prime penology (and good entertainment) and people sacrificed sheep so that next years' grape crops would yield a prime vintage was a regular part of religious lives.

	== Classical Period inspired Games, Factions and Settings ==		==Classical Period inspired Games, Factions and Settings==
	* The Elder Scrolls: The Cyrodiilic Empire is inspired, mostly, by that of Rome, right on down to the naming customs and military organization. Their government, however, appears to be much more of a centralized absolute [[monarchy]] as opposed to Rome's forms of government even in the late Imperial era, as there were very few cases of Emperors being created by right of birth (the ones that were almost always sucked as rulers).		* The Elder Scrolls: The Cyrodiilic Empire is inspired, mostly, by that of Rome, right on down to the naming customs and military organization. Their government, however, appears to be much more of a centralized absolute [[monarchy]] as opposed to Rome's forms of government even in the late Imperial era, as there were very few cases of Emperors being created by right of birth (the ones that were almost always sucked as rulers).
	* Some Tilean city-states in [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle]] (especially Remas and Luccini) are also inspired by the Classical Period.		* Some Tilean city-states in [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle]] (especially Remas and Luccini) are also inspired by the Classical Period.

	== See Also ==		==See Also==
	* [[Roman Empire]]		* [[Roman Empire]]
	* [[Hoplite]]		* [[Hoplite]]

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	It helps that we actually have a fair bit of information about this time from first-hand accounts. Historians have to parse through a smattering of tablets and decorations on walls for the Bronze Age, much of which they can't read. In this period we have a good index of this time period, from Greek poems and plays to biographies and histories. Even if said writings aren't very objective, they make filling in the blanks a hell of a lot easier and gives us insights into a lot of different people, which means we have a lot of characters to get insights on how people got along back then.		It helps that we actually have a fair bit of information about this time from first-hand accounts. Historians have to parse through a smattering of tablets and decorations on walls for the Bronze Age, much of which they can't read. In this period we have a good index of this time period, from Greek poems and plays to biographies and histories. Even if said writings aren't very objective, they make filling in the blanks a hell of a lot easier and gives us insights into a lot of different people, which means we have a lot of characters to get insights on how people got along back then.

	Finally, there is something of a mix of the modern and the ancient in the Classical Age that you don't get in the medieval period. In Rome people lived in apartment blocks, had sewers to take away their filth, had theaters and coliseums to keep them distracted, and (if they had said status) had a conception of their role in society as citizens with legal rights and listened to political rhetoric and heard satire that's not too different from what someone in a first world country would hear as opposed to how a medieval peasant or knight would. Bob-every-Roman puts in a hard day's work selling olive oil so that when game day comes around he can go down to the arena with his bros, drink wine and ~~bet~~ on the gladiators.		Finally, there is something of a mix of the modern and the ancient in the Classical Age that you don't get in the medieval period. In Rome people lived in apartment blocks, had sewers to take away their filth, had theaters and coliseums to keep them distracted, and (if they had said status) had a conception of their role in society as citizens with legal rights and listened to political rhetoric and heard satire that's not too different from what someone in a first world country would hear as opposed to how a medieval peasant or knight would. Bob-every-Roman puts in a hard day's work selling olive oil so that when game day comes around he can go down to the arena with his bros, drink wine and bets on the gladiators.

	Mind you, this stuff existed in a world where slavery was normal and unremarked on. Romans unironically complained about all the slaves taking their jobs, and some portion of them actually had a point: the modest farmers who got screwed by big landowners and aristocrats who bought them out while they were at war and then used their slaves to profit off of the land ended up creating a big urban poor population that was the cause of many of the late republic problems. Having criminals fight to the death was seen as prime penology (and good entertainment) and people sacrificed sheep so that next years' grape crops would yield a prime vintage was a regular part of religious lives.		Mind you, this stuff existed in a world where slavery was normal and unremarked on. Romans unironically complained about all the slaves taking their jobs, and some portion of them actually had a point: the modest farmers who got screwed by big landowners and aristocrats who bought them out while they were at war and then used their slaves to profit off of the land ended up creating a big urban poor population that was the cause of many of the late republic problems. Having criminals fight to the death was seen as prime penology (and good entertainment) and people sacrificed sheep so that next years' grape crops would yield a prime vintage was a regular part of religious lives.

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	== The appeal of the Classical Period ==		== The appeal of the Classical Period ==
	Frankly the modern world has a serious Boner for this period. The link we have to the Bronze Age cultures is a bit tenuous at best, but The West sees the Greeks and the Romans as our fore bearers. People like the idea of Greek Philosophers discussing and debating the nature of the world and morality, of Romans forging order from chaos, spreading civilization and building magnificent buildings that stand to this day, Athenian Democracy and Spartan military excellence. Of course, that view is overly romantic and overlooks the nastier side of the period, from [[slavery]] to rampant xenophobia and sexism (especially with the ~~Greeks who only had a few men voting to the point that the~~ "democracy" was little more than a chaotic oligarchy with lots of speeches and the occasional angry mob) to the fact that this could be a rather brutal period with a lot of pig headed stupidity at the time. Many people have tried to emulate the better notions like bureaucracy and checks on power and build on them.		Frankly the modern world has a serious Boner for this period. The link we have to the Bronze Age cultures is a bit tenuous at best, but The West sees the Greeks and the Romans as our fore bearers. People like the idea of Greek Philosophers discussing and debating the nature of the world and morality, of Romans forging order from chaos, spreading civilization and building magnificent buildings that stand to this day, Athenian Democracy and Spartan military excellence. Of course, that view is overly romantic and overlooks the nastier side of the period, from [[slavery]] to rampant xenophobia and sexism (especially with the Athenians, whose "democracy" was little more than a chaotic oligarchy with lots of speeches and the occasional angry mob) to the fact that this could be a rather brutal period with a lot of pig headed stupidity at the time. Many people have tried to emulate the better notions like bureaucracy and checks on power and build on them.

	It helps that we actually have a fair bit of information about this time from first-hand accounts. Historians have to parse through a smattering of tablets and decorations on walls for the Bronze Age, much of which they can't read. In this period we have a good index of this time period, from Greek poems and plays to biographies and histories. Even if said writings aren't very objective, they make filling in the blanks a hell of a lot easier and gives us insights into a lot of different people, which means we have a lot of characters to get insights on how people got along back then.		It helps that we actually have a fair bit of information about this time from first-hand accounts. Historians have to parse through a smattering of tablets and decorations on walls for the Bronze Age, much of which they can't read. In this period we have a good index of this time period, from Greek poems and plays to biographies and histories. Even if said writings aren't very objective, they make filling in the blanks a hell of a lot easier and gives us insights into a lot of different people, which means we have a lot of characters to get insights on how people got along back then.

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	== The appeal of the Classical Period ==		== The appeal of the Classical Period ==
	Frankly the modern world has a serious Boner for this period. The link we have to the Bronze Age cultures is a bit tenuous at best, but The West sees the Greeks and the Romans as our fore bearers. People like the idea of Greek Philosophers discussing and debating the nature of the world and morality, of Romans forging order from chaos, spreading civilization and building magnificent buildings that stand to this day, Athenian Democracy and Spartan military excellence. Of course, that view is overly romantic and overlooks the nastier side of the period, from [[slavery]] to rampant xenophobia and sexism (especially with the Greeks who only had a few men voting to the point that the "democracy" was little more than an oligarchy of ~~a few~~) to the fact that this could be a rather brutal period with a lot of pig headed stupidity at the time. Many people have tried to emulate the better notions like bureaucracy and checks on power and build on them.		Frankly the modern world has a serious Boner for this period. The link we have to the Bronze Age cultures is a bit tenuous at best, but The West sees the Greeks and the Romans as our fore bearers. People like the idea of Greek Philosophers discussing and debating the nature of the world and morality, of Romans forging order from chaos, spreading civilization and building magnificent buildings that stand to this day, Athenian Democracy and Spartan military excellence. Of course, that view is overly romantic and overlooks the nastier side of the period, from [[slavery]] to rampant xenophobia and sexism (especially with the Greeks who only had a few men voting to the point that the "democracy" was little more than a chaotic oligarchy with lots of speeches and the occasional angry mob) to the fact that this could be a rather brutal period with a lot of pig headed stupidity at the time. Many people have tried to emulate the better notions like bureaucracy and checks on power and build on them.

	It helps that we actually have a fair bit of information about this time from first-hand accounts. Historians have to parse through a smattering of tablets and decorations on walls for the Bronze Age, much of which they can't read. In this period we have a good index of this time period, from Greek poems and plays to biographies and histories. Even if said writings aren't very objective, they make filling in the blanks a hell of a lot easier and gives us insights into a lot of different people, which means we have a lot of characters to get insights on how people got along back then.		It helps that we actually have a fair bit of information about this time from first-hand accounts. Historians have to parse through a smattering of tablets and decorations on walls for the Bronze Age, much of which they can't read. In this period we have a good index of this time period, from Greek poems and plays to biographies and histories. Even if said writings aren't very objective, they make filling in the blanks a hell of a lot easier and gives us insights into a lot of different people, which means we have a lot of characters to get insights on how people got along back then.

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	Meanwhile in the Middle East and what is now Iran, a series of states would rise and fall. Greater than anything that had come before.		Meanwhile in the Middle East and what is now Iran, a series of states would rise and fall. Greater than anything that had come before.

	The first of these was The Assyrian Empire. They came to power during the Bronze Age Collapse and spread like wildfire over the Middle East and Levant.		The first of these was The Assyrian Empire. They came to power during the Bronze Age Collapse and spread like wildfire over the Middle East and Levant. On the whole, they were pretty nasty.

	From the ashes of the Assyrian Empire, Babylon rose like a phoenix. It rose against against the Neo Assyrians in 626 BCE and by with the help of the Medes to the east toppled it by 606 BCE. Once that was done, they pushed westward to the Levant under Nebuchadnezzar II. This earned him a fair deal ire from the locals and the Old Testament is not kind to him or Babylon because of it. For all that, it was a rather shakey regime hat did not last long.		From the ashes of the Assyrian Empire, Babylon rose like a phoenix. It rose against against the Neo Assyrians in 626 BCE and by with the help of the Medes to the east toppled it by 606 BCE. Once that was done, they pushed westward to the Levant under Nebuchadnezzar II. This earned him a fair deal ire from the locals and the Old Testament is not kind to him or Babylon because of it. For all that, it was a rather shakey regime hat did not last long.

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	From the ashes of the Assyrian Empire, Babylon rose like a phoenix. It rose against against the Neo Assyrians in 626 BCE and by with the help of the Medes to the east toppled it by 606 BCE. Once that was done, they pushed westward to the Levant under Nebuchadnezzar II. This earned him a fair deal ire from the locals and the Old Testament is not kind to him or Babylon because of it. For all that, it was a rather shakey regime hat did not last long.		From the ashes of the Assyrian Empire, Babylon rose like a phoenix. It rose against against the Neo Assyrians in 626 BCE and by with the help of the Medes to the east toppled it by 606 BCE. Once that was done, they pushed westward to the Levant under Nebuchadnezzar II. This earned him a fair deal ire from the locals and the Old Testament is not kind to him or Babylon because of it. For all that, it was a rather shakey regime hat did not last long.

	The Greatest of these was the Achaemenid Empire, more commonly known as the Persian Empire. Emerging in what's now Iran under the leadership of Cyrus the Great, it rose and ~~conquerd~~ Babylon and spread it's influence beyond the Assyrians. As it went it built a network of roads, introduced coinage, set up an excellent post system and imposed peace and order across as much as 50% of the Total Human Population. Despite this, it still let people mostly handle their own affairs and unlike a lot of ancient empires the Achaemenids made little use of slavery. The writers of the Old Testament were rather positively inclined to the guy. The Greeks on the other hand were not.		The Greatest of these was the Achaemenid Empire, more commonly known as the Persian Empire. Emerging in what's now Iran under the leadership of Cyrus the Great, it rose and conquered Babylon and spread it's influence beyond the Assyrians. As it went it built a network of roads, introduced coinage, set up an excellent post system and imposed peace and order across as much as 50% of the Total Human Population. Despite this, it still let people mostly handle their own affairs and unlike a lot of ancient empires the Achaemenids made little use of slavery. The writers of the Old Testament were rather positively inclined to the guy. The Greeks on the other hand were not well disposed to the Achamenid.

	===The Romans===		===The Romans===