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	==Clones in 40K==		==Clones in 40K==
	Cloning tech exists in 40k, but curiously seems to be exclusive to [[Imperium\|humanity]] and its, [[Leagues of Votann\|for lack of]] [[Chaos Space Marines\|a better word]], "offshoots". The tech''was'' apparently around in the [[Dark Age of Technology]], but has been largely lost to the modern Imperium. Any forms of cloning tech still around are kept intensely secret (notably used by Cawl’s mentor before he absorbed her intelligence core once she turned traitor). There's no mentions of Xenos-based cloning thus far, and no, the exo-wombs the [[Dark Eldar]] use do not count.		Cloning tech exists in 40k, but curiously seems to be exclusive to [[Imperium\|humanity]] and its, [[Leagues of Votann\|for lack of]] [[Chaos Space Marines\|a better word]], "offshoots". The tech ''was'' apparently around in the [[Dark Age of Technology]], but has been largely lost to the modern Imperium. Any forms of cloning tech still around are kept intensely secret (notably used by Cawl’s mentor before he absorbed her intelligence core once she turned traitor). There's no mentions of Xenos-based cloning thus far, and no, the exo-wombs the [[Dark Eldar]] use do not count.

	The [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] makes the most use of cloning tech, being the main source of bodies to make [[Servitor]]s out of. Sometimes however, demand outpaces supply, and the cogheads have to start sourcing from more ethically questionable sources, and they aren't above turning tech-heretics (or regular heretics, if the Ministorum's feeling generous) into Servitors as punishment. The [[Death Korps of Krieg]] are widely rumored to use some form of cloning tech to mass-produce their suicidal martyr-soldiers. While the secrets of this tech were kept under strict wraps, it's only nominally approved by the simple fact that they're offering shittons of soldiers to feed the imperial war machine.		The [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] makes the most use of cloning tech, being the main source of bodies to make [[Servitor]]s out of. Sometimes however, demand outpaces supply, and the cogheads have to start sourcing from more ethically questionable sources, and they aren't above turning tech-heretics (or regular heretics, if the Ministorum's feeling generous) into Servitors as punishment. The [[Death Korps of Krieg]] are widely rumored to use some form of cloning tech to mass-produce their suicidal martyr-soldiers. While the secrets of this tech were kept under strict wraps, it's only nominally approved by the simple fact that they're offering shittons of soldiers to feed the imperial war machine.
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	The [[Leagues of Votann]] are an entire society made up of clones and [[android]]s working together in harmony, something they know they had better damn well keep out of the knowledge of the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]]. The Kin themselves were originally cloned from humans, but as time passed, the [[Votann\|AI gods]] that the kin revere eventually made a series of genetic changes in order to improve their efficiency and eventually transform them from being just humans into [[Dwarf\|dwarves]] with a very faint warp signature, and cloning has since become the main way the kin even reproduce. It's worth noting that the kin actually worked out the "genetic diversity" issue as their "cloneskeins" have a shitton of templates to choose from, so they can tweak new kin as they're growing to nip any vulnerabilities in the bud. This clone editing means that even Kin from the same batch might not even look alike beyond minor cultural markers. [[Grimnyr\|Select kin with psychic potential do exist]], mainly because a fair chunk of a Votann's information is only accessible through psychic means. Special cloneskeins were developed to facilitate this need in a controlled manner (rather than letting them pop out "organically" as the Imperium [[Black Ships#Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|oh]] [[Psyker#Imperium\|so]] [[Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|demonstrates]]).		The [[Leagues of Votann]] are an entire society made up of clones and [[android]]s working together in harmony, something they know they had better damn well keep out of the knowledge of the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]]. The Kin themselves were originally cloned from humans, but as time passed, the [[Votann\|AI gods]] that the kin revere eventually made a series of genetic changes in order to improve their efficiency and eventually transform them from being just humans into [[Dwarf\|dwarves]] with a very faint warp signature, and cloning has since become the main way the kin even reproduce. It's worth noting that the kin actually worked out the "genetic diversity" issue as their "cloneskeins" have a shitton of templates to choose from, so they can tweak new kin as they're growing to nip any vulnerabilities in the bud. This clone editing means that even Kin from the same batch might not even look alike beyond minor cultural markers. [[Grimnyr\|Select kin with psychic potential do exist]], mainly because a fair chunk of a Votann's information is only accessible through psychic means. Special cloneskeins were developed to facilitate this need in a controlled manner (rather than letting them pop out "organically" as the Imperium [[Black Ships#Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|oh]] [[Psyker#Imperium\|so]] [[Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|demonstrates]]).

	Meanwhile, on [[Necromunda]], at least a portion of [[House Escher]]’s members are asexually born via chemically induced parthenogenesis if they don’t have fathers who are sickly males (a result of Escher's work in drugs and pharmaceuticals). [[House Goliath]] is similarly dependent on cloning amneo-vats to create new members, seeing that a majority of their members are rendered sterile through the extensive genetic and chemical tampering that turns Goliaths of both genders into roid-raging lunatics (though "Natborn" descendants ~~amd~~ “Unborn” adoptees exist). Incidentally, both of them have [[House Van Saar]] to thank, considering their access to technology that might be beyond even the Mechanicus is the reason they even have cloning vats.		Meanwhile, on [[Necromunda]], at least a portion of [[House Escher]]’s members are asexually born via chemically induced parthenogenesis if they don’t have fathers who are sickly males (a result of Escher's work in drugs and pharmaceuticals). [[House Goliath]] is similarly dependent on cloning amneo-vats to create new members, seeing that a majority of their members are rendered sterile through the extensive genetic and chemical tampering that turns Goliaths of both genders into roid-raging lunatics (though "Natborn" descendants and “Unborn” adoptees exist). Incidentally, both of them have [[House Van Saar]] to thank, considering their access to technology that might be beyond even the Mechanicus is the reason they even have cloning vats.

	Of course, we can't mention cloning in 40k without discussing a certain sick fuck, the "Clone Lord" himself. Aside from extreme body modifications and drug fabrication, [[Fabius Bile]] made a name for himself through his work in cloning, most infamously cloning some late [[Primarch]]s:		Of course, we can't mention cloning in 40k without discussing a certain sick fuck, the "Clone Lord" himself. Aside from extreme body modifications and drug fabrication, [[Fabius Bile]] made a name for himself through his work in cloning, most infamously cloning some late [[Primarch]]s:

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	==Clones in 40K==		==Clones in 40K==
	Cloning tech ''was'' apparently around in the [[Dark Age of Technology]], but has been largely lost to the modern Imperium. ~~There are apparently some~~ forms of cloning tech still around~~, but those who have them keep them~~ intensely secret (notably used by Cawl’s mentor before he absorbed her intelligence core once she turned traitor). ~~The [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] makes the most use~~ of cloning ~~tech~~, ~~being the main source of bodies to make [[Servitor]]s out of. Sometimes however~~, ~~demand outpaces supply, and~~ the ~~cogheads have to start sourcing from more ethically questionable sources, and they aren't above turning tech~~-~~heretics into Servitors as punishment. The~~ [[~~Death Korps of Krieg~~]] ~~are widely rumored to~~ use some form of cloning tech to mass-produce their suicidal martyr-soldiers. While the secrets of this tech were kept under strict wraps, it's only nominally approved by the simple fact that they're offering shittons of soldiers to feed the imperial war machine.		Cloning tech exists in 40k, but curiously seems to be exclusive to [[Imperium\|humanity]] and its, [[Leagues of Votann\|for lack of]] [[Chaos Space Marines\|a better word]], "offshoots". The tech''was'' apparently around in the [[Dark Age of Technology]], but has been largely lost to the modern Imperium. Any forms of cloning tech still around are kept intensely secret (notably used by Cawl’s mentor before he absorbed her intelligence core once she turned traitor). There's no mentions of Xenos-based cloning thus far, and no, the exo-wombs the [[Dark Eldar]] use do not count.

	The [[Leagues of Votann]] are an entire society made up of clones and [[android]]s working together in harmony, something they know they had better damn well keep out of the knowledge of the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]]. The Kin themselves were originally cloned from humans, but as time passed, the [[Votann\|AI gods]] that the kin revere eventually made a series of genetic changes in order to improve their efficiency and eventually transform them from being just humans into [[Dwarf\|dwarves]] with a very faint warp signature, and cloning has since become the main way the kin even reproduce. It's worth noting that the kin actually worked out the "genetic diversity" issue as their "cloneskeins" have a shitton of templates to choose from, so they can tweak new kin as they're growing to nip any vulnerabilities in the bud. [[Grimnyr\|Select kin with psychic potential do exist]], mainly because a fair chunk of a Votann's information is only accessible through psychic means. Special cloneskeins were developed to facilitate this need in a controlled manner (rather than letting them pop out "organically" as the Imperium [[Black Ships#Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|oh]] [[Psyker#Imperium\|so]] [[Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|demonstrates]]).		The [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] makes the most use of cloning tech, being the main source of bodies to make [[Servitor]]s out of. Sometimes however, demand outpaces supply, and the cogheads have to start sourcing from more ethically questionable sources, and they aren't above turning tech-heretics (or regular heretics, if the Ministorum's feeling generous) into Servitors as punishment. The [[Death Korps of Krieg]] are widely rumored to use some form of cloning tech to mass-produce their suicidal martyr-soldiers. While the secrets of this tech were kept under strict wraps, it's only nominally approved by the simple fact that they're offering shittons of soldiers to feed the imperial war machine.

			The [[Leagues of Votann]] are an entire society made up of clones and [[android]]s working together in harmony, something they know they had better damn well keep out of the knowledge of the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]]. The Kin themselves were originally cloned from humans, but as time passed, the [[Votann\|AI gods]] that the kin revere eventually made a series of genetic changes in order to improve their efficiency and eventually transform them from being just humans into [[Dwarf\|dwarves]] with a very faint warp signature, and cloning has since become the main way the kin even reproduce. It's worth noting that the kin actually worked out the "genetic diversity" issue as their "cloneskeins" have a shitton of templates to choose from, so they can tweak new kin as they're growing to nip any vulnerabilities in the bud. This clone editing means that even Kin from the same batch might not even look alike beyond minor cultural markers. [[Grimnyr\|Select kin with psychic potential do exist]], mainly because a fair chunk of a Votann's information is only accessible through psychic means. Special cloneskeins were developed to facilitate this need in a controlled manner (rather than letting them pop out "organically" as the Imperium [[Black Ships#Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|oh]] [[Psyker#Imperium\|so]] [[Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|demonstrates]]).

	Meanwhile, on [[Necromunda]], at least a portion of [[House Escher]]’s members are asexually born via chemically induced parthenogenesis if they don’t have fathers who are sickly males (a result of Escher's work in drugs and pharmaceuticals). [[House Goliath]] is similarly dependent on cloning amneo-vats to create new members, seeing that a majority of their members are rendered sterile through the extensive genetic and chemical tampering that turns Goliaths of both genders into roid-raging lunatics (though "Natborn" descendants amd “Unborn” adoptees exist). Incidentally, both of them have [[House Van Saar]] to thank, considering their access to technology that might be beyond even the Mechanicus is the reason they even have cloning vats.		Meanwhile, on [[Necromunda]], at least a portion of [[House Escher]]’s members are asexually born via chemically induced parthenogenesis if they don’t have fathers who are sickly males (a result of Escher's work in drugs and pharmaceuticals). [[House Goliath]] is similarly dependent on cloning amneo-vats to create new members, seeing that a majority of their members are rendered sterile through the extensive genetic and chemical tampering that turns Goliaths of both genders into roid-raging lunatics (though "Natborn" descendants amd “Unborn” adoptees exist). Incidentally, both of them have [[House Van Saar]] to thank, considering their access to technology that might be beyond even the Mechanicus is the reason they even have cloning vats.
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	Of course, we can't mention cloning in 40k without discussing a certain sick fuck, the "Clone Lord" himself. Aside from extreme body modifications and drug fabrication, [[Fabius Bile]] made a name for himself through his work in cloning, most infamously cloning some late [[Primarch]]s:		Of course, we can't mention cloning in 40k without discussing a certain sick fuck, the "Clone Lord" himself. Aside from extreme body modifications and drug fabrication, [[Fabius Bile]] made a name for himself through his work in cloning, most infamously cloning some late [[Primarch]]s:
	*His first success was [[Ferrus Manus]], in the hopes that [[Fulgrim]] could convince his bestest brother to switch sides after killing him during the [[Drop Site Massacre]]. Time and time again, the clones said no, and Fulgrim demanded Fabius clone Ferrus again after killing the clones over and over, believing that Bile was secretly sabotaging the cloning process every time (incidentally, this is where Fabius got his "surname" from as an enraged Fulgrim declared Fabius to be "full of bile" when Fabius honestly said there was nothing else he could do). At no point did Fulgrim ever consider that Ferrus would have never turned his back on the Imperium and, prideful being he ([[Daemon Prince\|literally]]) was, someone else had to take the blame.		*His first success was [[Ferrus Manus]], in the hopes that [[Fulgrim]] could convince his bestest brother to switch sides after killing him during the [[Drop Site Massacre]]. Time and time again, the clones said no, and Fulgrim demanded Fabius clone Ferrus again after killing the clones over and over, believing that Bile was secretly sabotaging the cloning process every time (incidentally, this is where Fabius got his "surname" from as an enraged Fulgrim declared Fabius to be "full of bile" when Fabius honestly said there was nothing else he could do). At no point did Fulgrim ever consider that Ferrus would have never turned his back on the Imperium and, prideful being he ([[Daemon Prince\|literally]]) was, someone else had to take the blame.
	*His second success was none other than [[Horus]] himself, or at least a "good enough" clone of him as [[Emperor\|Big E]] vaporized his soul back on the Vengeful Spirit (amusingly, the Ferrus clones were also imperfect, since his trademark metal-covered arms weren't "natural" and Fabius couldn't replicate that). [[Abbadon\|A certain armless failure]] caught wind of this, and [[Battle of Harmony\|besieged the Emperor's Children-held stronghold of Harmony]] both to kill the clone and to assert his de facto leadership over the Traitor Legions. Suffice to say, this did little to endear Bill with the surviving members of his Legion (as Harmony happened after [[Kharn]] [[Rape\|royally buttfucked]] both the [[Emperor's Children]] and the [[World Eaters]] at [[Battle of Skalathrax\|Skalathrax]]), on top of being disowned by Fulgrim for his "failure" with Ferrus and now being on the newly-minted Despoiler's shitlist. Bile was effectively declared persona non grata and struck out on his own. Not that he minded, as he was more interested in his research and he's still the best biologist the Traitor Legions have, so they begrudgingly let him live in exchange for his latest batch of (non-Primarch) clones for new recruits and whatever drugs he and his cronies have cooked up, presumably paying Bile with whatever slaves and/or cultists the Legions consider expendable for Fabius to work his magic on.		*His second success was none other than [[Horus]] himself, or at least a "good enough" clone of him as [[Emperor\|Big E]] vaporized his soul back on the [[Vengeful Spirit]] (amusingly, the Ferrus clones were also imperfect, since his trademark metal-covered arms weren't "natural" and Fabius couldn't replicate that). [[Abbadon\|A certain armless failure]] caught wind of this, and [[Battle of Harmony\|besieged the Emperor's Children-held stronghold of Harmony]] both to kill the clone and to assert his de facto leadership over the Traitor Legions. Suffice to say, this did little to endear Bill with the surviving members of his Legion (as Harmony happened after [[Kharn]] [[Rape\|royally buttfucked]] both the [[Emperor's Children]] and the [[World Eaters]] at [[Battle of Skalathrax\|Skalathrax]]), on top of being disowned by Fulgrim for his "failure" with Ferrus and now being on the newly-minted Despoiler's shitlist. Bile was effectively declared persona non grata and [[The Consortium\|struck out on his own]]. Not that he minded, as he was more interested in his research and he's still the best biologist the Traitor Legions have, so they begrudgingly let him live in exchange for his latest batch of (non-Primarch) clones for new recruits and whatever drugs he and his cronies have cooked up, presumably paying Bile with whatever slaves and/or cultists the Legions consider expendable for Fabius to work his magic on.
	*A lesser-known success was that of Fulgrim himself, which Bile hoped to use as the template for a new, untainted batch of Astartes to prepare the galaxy for his New Men. However, the clone retained Fulgrim's urge to go on crusades and after a series of disagreements Fabius put him into suspended animation and gave him to [[Trazyn the Infinite]] in exchange for a sample of uncorrupted Emperor's Children gene-seed.		*A lesser-known success was that of Fulgrim himself, which Bile hoped to use as the template for a new, untainted batch of Astartes to prepare the galaxy for his New Men. However, the clone retained Fulgrim's urge to go on crusades and after a series of disagreements Fabius put him into suspended animation and gave him to [[Trazyn the Infinite]] in exchange for a sample of uncorrupted Emperor's Children gene-seed.

	Of course, Fabius keeps the best stuff for himself, and his cloning processes are no exception. He's made clones of himself both to improve manpower (as few people would want to associate with him lest they become his newest test subjects) and to stave off death from the Blight that once plagued his Legion (hopping bodies every time his current body started to fail). Indeed, his obsession with medical horrors stems from trying to find a cure from said Blight, which was only rectified when the Legion reunited with Fulgrim, so any marines from the old tainted batches were [[Blam\|discarded]] instead. Being the Chief Apothecary at the time put Fabius in a position to falsify his medical records, and start utilizing less ethical means of keeping the Blight at bay. [[Grimdark\|His path to damnation was indeed paved with good intentions]], and while he did find a way to escape the Blight's clutches through his work in cloning, a proper cure was ultimately never found.		Of course, Fabius keeps the best stuff for himself, and his cloning processes are no exception. He's made clones of himself both to improve manpower (as few people would want to associate with him lest they become his newest test subjects, and those that ''do'' have trouble keeping up with a guy who has over ten millennia of experience under his belt) and to stave off death from the Blight that once plagued his Legion (hopping bodies every time his current body started to fail). Indeed, his obsession with medical horrors stems from trying to find a cure from said Blight, which was only rectified when the Legion reunited with Fulgrim, so any marines from the old tainted batches were [[Blam\|discarded]] instead. Being the Chief Apothecary at the time put Fabius in a position to falsify his medical records, and start utilizing less ethical means of keeping the Blight at bay. [[Grimdark\|His path to damnation was indeed paved with good intentions]], and while he did find a way to escape the Blight's clutches through his work in cloning, a proper cure was ultimately never found.

	==Clones in D&D==		==Clones in D&D==

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	*His first success was [[Ferrus Manus]], in the hopes that [[Fulgrim]] could convince his bestest brother to switch sides after killing him during the [[Drop Site Massacre]]. Time and time again, the clones said no, and Fulgrim demanded Fabius clone Ferrus again after killing the clones over and over, believing that Bile was secretly sabotaging the cloning process every time (incidentally, this is where Fabius got his "surname" from as an enraged Fulgrim declared Fabius to be "full of bile" when Fabius honestly said there was nothing else he could do). At no point did Fulgrim ever consider that Ferrus would have never turned his back on the Imperium and, prideful being he ([[Daemon Prince\|literally]]) was, someone else had to take the blame.		*His first success was [[Ferrus Manus]], in the hopes that [[Fulgrim]] could convince his bestest brother to switch sides after killing him during the [[Drop Site Massacre]]. Time and time again, the clones said no, and Fulgrim demanded Fabius clone Ferrus again after killing the clones over and over, believing that Bile was secretly sabotaging the cloning process every time (incidentally, this is where Fabius got his "surname" from as an enraged Fulgrim declared Fabius to be "full of bile" when Fabius honestly said there was nothing else he could do). At no point did Fulgrim ever consider that Ferrus would have never turned his back on the Imperium and, prideful being he ([[Daemon Prince\|literally]]) was, someone else had to take the blame.
	*His second success was none other than [[Horus]] himself, or at least a "good enough" clone of him as [[Emperor\|Big E]] vaporized his soul back on the Vengeful Spirit (amusingly, the Ferrus clones were also imperfect, since his trademark metal-covered arms weren't "natural" and Fabius couldn't replicate that). [[Abbadon\|A certain armless failure]] caught wind of this, and [[Battle of Harmony\|besieged the Emperor's Children-held stronghold of Harmony]] both to kill the clone and to assert his de facto leadership over the Traitor Legions. Suffice to say, this did little to endear Bill with the surviving members of his Legion (as Harmony happened after [[Kharn]] [[Rape\|royally buttfucked]] both the [[Emperor's Children]] and the [[World Eaters]] at [[Battle of Skalathrax\|Skalathrax]]), on top of being disowned by Fulgrim for his "failure" with Ferrus and now being on the newly-minted Despoiler's shitlist. Bile was effectively declared persona non grata and struck out on his own. Not that he minded, as he was more interested in his research and he's still the best biologist the Traitor Legions have, so they begrudgingly let him live in exchange for his latest batch of (non-Primarch) clones for new recruits and whatever drugs he and his cronies have cooked up, presumably paying Bile with whatever slaves and/or cultists the Legions consider expendable for Fabius to work his magic on.		*His second success was none other than [[Horus]] himself, or at least a "good enough" clone of him as [[Emperor\|Big E]] vaporized his soul back on the Vengeful Spirit (amusingly, the Ferrus clones were also imperfect, since his trademark metal-covered arms weren't "natural" and Fabius couldn't replicate that). [[Abbadon\|A certain armless failure]] caught wind of this, and [[Battle of Harmony\|besieged the Emperor's Children-held stronghold of Harmony]] both to kill the clone and to assert his de facto leadership over the Traitor Legions. Suffice to say, this did little to endear Bill with the surviving members of his Legion (as Harmony happened after [[Kharn]] [[Rape\|royally buttfucked]] both the [[Emperor's Children]] and the [[World Eaters]] at [[Battle of Skalathrax\|Skalathrax]]), on top of being disowned by Fulgrim for his "failure" with Ferrus and now being on the newly-minted Despoiler's shitlist. Bile was effectively declared persona non grata and struck out on his own. Not that he minded, as he was more interested in his research and he's still the best biologist the Traitor Legions have, so they begrudgingly let him live in exchange for his latest batch of (non-Primarch) clones for new recruits and whatever drugs he and his cronies have cooked up, presumably paying Bile with whatever slaves and/or cultists the Legions consider expendable for Fabius to work his magic on.
	*A lesser-known success was that of Fulgrim himself, which Bile hoped to use as the template for a new, untainted batch of Astartes to prepare the galaxy for his New Men. However, the clone retained Fulgrim's urge to go on crusades and after a series of disagreements Fabius put him into suspended animation and gave him to [[Trazyn the Infinite]] as a ~~gift~~.		*A lesser-known success was that of Fulgrim himself, which Bile hoped to use as the template for a new, untainted batch of Astartes to prepare the galaxy for his New Men. However, the clone retained Fulgrim's urge to go on crusades and after a series of disagreements Fabius put him into suspended animation and gave him to [[Trazyn the Infinite]] in exchange for a sample of uncorrupted Emperor's Children gene-seed.

	Of course, Fabius keeps the best stuff for himself, and his cloning processes are no exception. He's made clones of himself both to improve manpower (as few people would want to associate with him lest they become his newest test subjects) and to stave off death from the Blight that once plagued his Legion (hopping bodies every time his current body started to fail). Indeed, his obsession with medical horrors stems from trying to find a cure from said Blight, which was only rectified when the Legion reunited with Fulgrim, so any marines from the old tainted batches were [[Blam\|discarded]] instead. Being the Chief Apothecary at the time put Fabius in a position to falsify his medical records, and start utilizing less ethical means of keeping the Blight at bay. [[Grimdark\|His path to damnation was indeed paved with good intentions]], and while he did find a way to escape the Blight's clutches through his work in cloning, a proper cure was ultimately never found.		Of course, Fabius keeps the best stuff for himself, and his cloning processes are no exception. He's made clones of himself both to improve manpower (as few people would want to associate with him lest they become his newest test subjects) and to stave off death from the Blight that once plagued his Legion (hopping bodies every time his current body started to fail). Indeed, his obsession with medical horrors stems from trying to find a cure from said Blight, which was only rectified when the Legion reunited with Fulgrim, so any marines from the old tainted batches were [[Blam\|discarded]] instead. Being the Chief Apothecary at the time put Fabius in a position to falsify his medical records, and start utilizing less ethical means of keeping the Blight at bay. [[Grimdark\|His path to damnation was indeed paved with good intentions]], and while he did find a way to escape the Blight's clutches through his work in cloning, a proper cure was ultimately never found.

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	*His first success was [[Ferrus Manus]], in the hopes that [[Fulgrim]] could convince his bestest brother to switch sides after killing him during the [[Drop Site Massacre]]. Time and time again, the clones said no, and Fulgrim demanded Fabius clone Ferrus again after killing the clones over and over, believing that Bile was secretly sabotaging the cloning process every time (incidentally, this is where Fabius got his "surname" from as an enraged Fulgrim declared Fabius to be "full of bile" when Fabius honestly said there was nothing else he could do). At no point did Fulgrim ever consider that Ferrus would have never turned his back on the Imperium and, prideful being he ([[Daemon Prince\|literally]]) was, someone else had to take the blame.		*His first success was [[Ferrus Manus]], in the hopes that [[Fulgrim]] could convince his bestest brother to switch sides after killing him during the [[Drop Site Massacre]]. Time and time again, the clones said no, and Fulgrim demanded Fabius clone Ferrus again after killing the clones over and over, believing that Bile was secretly sabotaging the cloning process every time (incidentally, this is where Fabius got his "surname" from as an enraged Fulgrim declared Fabius to be "full of bile" when Fabius honestly said there was nothing else he could do). At no point did Fulgrim ever consider that Ferrus would have never turned his back on the Imperium and, prideful being he ([[Daemon Prince\|literally]]) was, someone else had to take the blame.
	*His second success was none other than [[Horus]] himself, or at least a "good enough" clone of him as [[Emperor\|Big E]] vaporized his soul back on the Vengeful Spirit (amusingly, the Ferrus clones were also imperfect, since his trademark metal-covered arms weren't "natural" and Fabius couldn't replicate that). [[Abbadon\|A certain armless failure]] caught wind of this, and [[Battle of Harmony\|besieged the Emperor's Children-held stronghold of Harmony]] both to kill the clone and to assert his de facto leadership over the Traitor Legions. Suffice to say, this did little to endear Bill with the surviving members of his Legion (as Harmony happened after [[Kharn]] [[Rape\|royally buttfucked]] both the [[Emperor's Children]] and the [[World Eaters]] at [[Battle of Skalathrax\|Skalathrax]]), on top of being disowned by Fulgrim for his "failure" with Ferrus and now being on the newly-minted Despoiler's shitlist. Bile was effectively declared persona non grata and struck out on his own. Not that he minded, as he was more interested in his research and he's still the best biologist the Traitor Legions have, so they begrudgingly let him live in exchange for his latest batch of (non-Primarch) clones for new recruits and whatever drugs he and his cronies have cooked up, presumably paying Bile with whatever slaves and/or cultists the Legions consider expendable for Fabius to work his magic on.		*His second success was none other than [[Horus]] himself, or at least a "good enough" clone of him as [[Emperor\|Big E]] vaporized his soul back on the Vengeful Spirit (amusingly, the Ferrus clones were also imperfect, since his trademark metal-covered arms weren't "natural" and Fabius couldn't replicate that). [[Abbadon\|A certain armless failure]] caught wind of this, and [[Battle of Harmony\|besieged the Emperor's Children-held stronghold of Harmony]] both to kill the clone and to assert his de facto leadership over the Traitor Legions. Suffice to say, this did little to endear Bill with the surviving members of his Legion (as Harmony happened after [[Kharn]] [[Rape\|royally buttfucked]] both the [[Emperor's Children]] and the [[World Eaters]] at [[Battle of Skalathrax\|Skalathrax]]), on top of being disowned by Fulgrim for his "failure" with Ferrus and now being on the newly-minted Despoiler's shitlist. Bile was effectively declared persona non grata and struck out on his own. Not that he minded, as he was more interested in his research and he's still the best biologist the Traitor Legions have, so they begrudgingly let him live in exchange for his latest batch of (non-Primarch) clones for new recruits and whatever drugs he and his cronies have cooked up, presumably paying Bile with whatever slaves and/or cultists the Legions consider expendable for Fabius to work his magic on.
			*A lesser-known success was that of Fulgrim himself, which Bile hoped to use as the template for a new, untainted batch of Astartes to prepare the galaxy for his New Men. However, the clone retained Fulgrim's urge to go on crusades and after a series of disagreements Fabius put him into suspended animation and gave him to [[Trazyn the Infinite]] as a gift.

	Of course, Fabius keeps the best stuff for himself, and his cloning processes are no exception. He's made clones of himself both to improve manpower (as few people would want to associate with him lest they become his newest test subjects) and to stave off death from the Blight that once plagued his Legion (hopping bodies every time his current body started to fail). Indeed, his obsession with medical horrors stems from trying to find a cure from said Blight, which was only rectified when the Legion reunited with Fulgrim, so any marines from the old tainted batches were [[Blam\|discarded]] instead. Being the Chief Apothecary at the time put Fabius in a position to falsify his medical records, and start utilizing less ethical means of keeping the Blight at bay. [[Grimdark\|His path to damnation was indeed paved with good intentions]], and while he did find a way to escape the Blight's clutches through his work in cloning, a proper cure was ultimately never found.		Of course, Fabius keeps the best stuff for himself, and his cloning processes are no exception. He's made clones of himself both to improve manpower (as few people would want to associate with him lest they become his newest test subjects) and to stave off death from the Blight that once plagued his Legion (hopping bodies every time his current body started to fail). Indeed, his obsession with medical horrors stems from trying to find a cure from said Blight, which was only rectified when the Legion reunited with Fulgrim, so any marines from the old tainted batches were [[Blam\|discarded]] instead. Being the Chief Apothecary at the time put Fabius in a position to falsify his medical records, and start utilizing less ethical means of keeping the Blight at bay. [[Grimdark\|His path to damnation was indeed paved with good intentions]], and while he did find a way to escape the Blight's clutches through his work in cloning, a proper cure was ultimately never found.

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	Cloning, or more precisely asexual reproduction, is the simplest and easiest method of reproduction for any organism, so it's no surprise that this is the main way microorganisms propagate. Just eat enough food for two people and split up. It's faster than sexual reproduction and can colonize a lot of space in a short time. Even when scaling up to the macroscopic scale, plants can still do this for much the same reasons as prokaryotes, and certain animals can alternate between sexual and asexual reproduction depending on environmental factors, either because they can't find a mate or as an evolutionary adaptation to changing seasons. The aphid is perhaps a notorious example of the latter, as [[What\|newly-hatched females in the spring will quickly give birth to clones that are themselves pregnant]] (more or less), spreading all over your crops until fall arrives. Then their descendants start reproducing sexually so that their eggs, which can survive the winter while their parents freeze to death, hatch in the spring and continue the cycle.		Cloning, or more precisely asexual reproduction, is the simplest and easiest method of reproduction for any organism, so it's no surprise that this is the main way microorganisms propagate. Just eat enough food for two people and split up. It's faster than sexual reproduction and can colonize a lot of space in a short time. Even when scaling up to the macroscopic scale, plants can still do this for much the same reasons as prokaryotes, and certain animals can alternate between sexual and asexual reproduction depending on environmental factors, either because they can't find a mate or as an evolutionary adaptation to changing seasons. The aphid is perhaps a notorious example of the latter, as [[What\|newly-hatched females in the spring will quickly give birth to clones that are themselves pregnant]] (more or less), spreading all over your crops until fall arrives. Then their descendants start reproducing sexually so that their eggs, which can survive the winter while their parents freeze to death, hatch in the spring and continue the cycle.

	Naturally, it didn't take long for us humans to start exploiting this. The most obvious use being plant cuttings to quickly grow crops from one parent plant, but bacteria that multiply rapidly also make for very good test subjects, seeing as it doesn't take long for issues to show up. It's when we tried doing this to multicellular animals that we started running into ethical problems. As it stands, cloning animals is ''not'' a perfect science, as it can take hundreds of tries for a cloned cell to start growing, and another hurdle making sure that cell develops normally. Dolly the sheep, the first mammal to be successfully cloned, took nearly 440 attempts to work, and she died relatively young for her age (though claims that her clone status made her more vulnerable to illness were never proven, ~~at worst [[Nurgle]] dealt her a bad hand~~). Because of this cloning humans is, in most of the Western world, [[Extra Heresy\|really super banned]]. To say nothing about the existential or religious issues that cloning brings up, the same way CRISPR gene-editing is in grey territory for human ethics. Though that hasn’t stopped some Chinese scientists from trying with Western scientists turning a blind eye until the media screams murder. Cloning ''organs'' on the other hand, is a ''bit'' less ethically dubious (though not without its detractors), and it could lead to a massive breakthrough in organ transplants if we ever perfect it (assuming 3D printing organs doesn't beat it to the punch).		Naturally, it didn't take long for us humans to start exploiting this. The most obvious use being plant cuttings to quickly grow crops from one parent plant, but bacteria that multiply rapidly also make for very good test subjects, seeing as it doesn't take long for issues to show up. It's when we tried doing this to multicellular animals that we started running into ethical problems. As it stands, cloning animals is ''not'' a perfect science, as it can take hundreds of tries for a cloned cell to start growing, and another hurdle making sure that cell develops normally. Dolly the sheep, the first mammal to be successfully cloned, took nearly 440 attempts to work, and she died relatively young for her age (though claims that her clone status made her more vulnerable to illness were never proven, more research is needed to determine what happened there). Because of this cloning humans is, in most of the Western world, [[Extra Heresy\|really super banned]]. To say nothing about the existential or religious issues that cloning brings up, the same way CRISPR gene-editing is in grey territory for human ethics. Though that hasn’t stopped some Chinese scientists from trying with Western scientists turning a blind eye until the media screams murder. Cloning ''organs'' on the other hand, is a ''bit'' less ethically dubious (though not without its detractors), and it could lead to a massive breakthrough in organ transplants if we ever perfect it (assuming 3D printing organs doesn't beat it to the punch).

	One major weakness of cloning however is the lack of genetic diversity, and any genetic defects the parent might have is nigh-guaranteed (assuming said defect doesn't mutate into something else or go away entirely) to spread to their children[[Marathon\|'s children's children]]. The decline of the Gros Michel banana cultivar is a perfect example of this: from its mass cultivation in 1835 it was ''the'' main variety of exported banana for over a century, but its massive vulnerability to [[wikipedia:Panama disease\|a certain fungal infection]] led to it losing that status to the Cavendish cultivar in the 1960s. And from the looks of things, [[Grimdark\|not even the Cavendish is immune to said fungus]]. Curiously, this one major hitch regarding cloning almost never shows up in fiction, typically because clones are typically treated as expendable and aren't expected to live long, or the writer(s) either didn't know about it or didn't care to address it.		One major weakness of cloning however is the lack of genetic diversity, and any genetic defects the parent might have is nigh-guaranteed (assuming said defect doesn't mutate into something else or go away entirely) to spread to their children[[Marathon\|'s children's children]]. The decline of the Gros Michel banana cultivar is a perfect example of this: from its mass cultivation in 1835 it was ''the'' main variety of exported banana for over a century, but its massive vulnerability to [[wikipedia:Panama disease\|a certain fungal infection]] led to it losing that status to the Cavendish cultivar in the 1960s. And from the looks of things, [[Grimdark\|not even the Cavendish is immune to said fungus]]. Curiously, this one major hitch regarding cloning almost never shows up in fiction, typically because clones are typically treated as expendable and aren't expected to live long, or the writer(s) either didn't know about it or didn't care to address it. As an added snarl, some genes behave differently depending on whether they're inherited maternally or paternally, and since this "imprinting" isn't preserved by the cloning process a technically identical clone can still end up expressing entirely different traits from the original. Combine that with how environmental factors can further change the way how genes are expressed, and the prospect of any clone being entirely identical to its source is nearly zero: you'd need to not only replicate the genes and the imprinting, but also the entire life experience of the source organism right down to the smallest events.

	==Clones in Star Wars==		==Clones in Star Wars==

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	Naturally, it didn't take long for us humans to start exploiting this. The most obvious use being plant cuttings to quickly grow crops from one parent plant, but bacteria that multiply rapidly also make for very good test subjects, seeing as it doesn't take long for issues to show up. It's when we tried doing this to multicellular animals that we started running into ethical problems. As it stands, cloning animals is ''not'' a perfect science, as it can take hundreds of tries for a cloned cell to start growing, and another hurdle making sure that cell develops normally. Dolly the sheep, the first mammal to be successfully cloned, took nearly 440 attempts to work, and she died relatively young for her age (though claims that her clone status made her more vulnerable to illness were never proven, at worst [[Nurgle]] dealt her a bad hand). Because of this cloning humans is, in most of the Western world, [[Extra Heresy\|really super banned]]. To say nothing about the existential or religious issues that cloning brings up, the same way CRISPR gene-editing is in grey territory for human ethics. Though that hasn’t stopped some Chinese scientists from trying with Western scientists turning a blind eye until the media screams murder. Cloning ''organs'' on the other hand, is a ''bit'' less ethically dubious (though not without its detractors), and it could lead to a massive breakthrough in organ transplants if we ever perfect it (assuming 3D printing organs doesn't beat it to the punch).		Naturally, it didn't take long for us humans to start exploiting this. The most obvious use being plant cuttings to quickly grow crops from one parent plant, but bacteria that multiply rapidly also make for very good test subjects, seeing as it doesn't take long for issues to show up. It's when we tried doing this to multicellular animals that we started running into ethical problems. As it stands, cloning animals is ''not'' a perfect science, as it can take hundreds of tries for a cloned cell to start growing, and another hurdle making sure that cell develops normally. Dolly the sheep, the first mammal to be successfully cloned, took nearly 440 attempts to work, and she died relatively young for her age (though claims that her clone status made her more vulnerable to illness were never proven, at worst [[Nurgle]] dealt her a bad hand). Because of this cloning humans is, in most of the Western world, [[Extra Heresy\|really super banned]]. To say nothing about the existential or religious issues that cloning brings up, the same way CRISPR gene-editing is in grey territory for human ethics. Though that hasn’t stopped some Chinese scientists from trying with Western scientists turning a blind eye until the media screams murder. Cloning ''organs'' on the other hand, is a ''bit'' less ethically dubious (though not without its detractors), and it could lead to a massive breakthrough in organ transplants if we ever perfect it (assuming 3D printing organs doesn't beat it to the punch).

	One major weakness of cloning however is the lack of genetic diversity, and any genetic defects the parent might have is guaranteed to spread to their children[[Marathon\|'s children's children]]. The decline of the Gros Michel banana cultivar is a perfect example of this: from its mass cultivation in 1835 it was ''the'' main variety of exported banana for over a century, but its massive vulnerability to [[wikipedia:Panama disease\|a certain fungal infection]] led to it losing that status to the Cavendish cultivar in the 1960s. And from the looks of things, [[Grimdark\|not even the Cavendish is immune to said fungus]]. Curiously, this one major hitch regarding cloning almost never shows up in fiction, typically because clones are typically treated as expendable and aren't expected to live long, or the writer(s) either didn't know about it or didn't care to address it.		One major weakness of cloning however is the lack of genetic diversity, and any genetic defects the parent might have is nigh-guaranteed (assuming said defect doesn't mutate into something else or go away entirely) to spread to their children[[Marathon\|'s children's children]]. The decline of the Gros Michel banana cultivar is a perfect example of this: from its mass cultivation in 1835 it was ''the'' main variety of exported banana for over a century, but its massive vulnerability to [[wikipedia:Panama disease\|a certain fungal infection]] led to it losing that status to the Cavendish cultivar in the 1960s. And from the looks of things, [[Grimdark\|not even the Cavendish is immune to said fungus]]. Curiously, this one major hitch regarding cloning almost never shows up in fiction, typically because clones are typically treated as expendable and aren't expected to live long, or the writer(s) either didn't know about it or didn't care to address it.

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	The [[Leagues of Votann]] are an entire society made up of clones and [[android]]s working together in harmony, something they know they had better damn well keep out of the knowledge of the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]]. The Kin themselves were originally cloned from humans, but as time passed, the [[Votann\|AI gods]] that the kin revere eventually made a series of genetic changes in order to improve their efficiency and eventually transform them from being just humans into [[Dwarf\|dwarves]] with a very faint warp signature, and cloning has since become the main way the kin even reproduce. It's worth noting that the kin actually worked out the "genetic diversity" issue as their "cloneskeins" have a shitton of templates to choose from, so they can tweak new kin as they're growing to nip any vulnerabilities in the bud. [[Grimnyr\|Select kin with psychic potential do exist]], mainly because a fair chunk of a Votann's information is only accessible through psychic means. Special cloneskeins were developed to facilitate this need in a controlled manner (rather than letting them pop out "organically" as the Imperium [[Black Ships#Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|oh]] [[Psyker#Imperium\|so]] [[Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|demonstrates]]).		The [[Leagues of Votann]] are an entire society made up of clones and [[android]]s working together in harmony, something they know they had better damn well keep out of the knowledge of the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]]. The Kin themselves were originally cloned from humans, but as time passed, the [[Votann\|AI gods]] that the kin revere eventually made a series of genetic changes in order to improve their efficiency and eventually transform them from being just humans into [[Dwarf\|dwarves]] with a very faint warp signature, and cloning has since become the main way the kin even reproduce. It's worth noting that the kin actually worked out the "genetic diversity" issue as their "cloneskeins" have a shitton of templates to choose from, so they can tweak new kin as they're growing to nip any vulnerabilities in the bud. [[Grimnyr\|Select kin with psychic potential do exist]], mainly because a fair chunk of a Votann's information is only accessible through psychic means. Special cloneskeins were developed to facilitate this need in a controlled manner (rather than letting them pop out "organically" as the Imperium [[Black Ships#Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|oh]] [[Psyker#Imperium\|so]] [[Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|demonstrates]]).

	Meanwhile, on [[Necromunda]], at least a portion of [[House Escher]]’s members are asexually born via chemically induced parthenogenesis if they don’t have fathers who are sickly males (a result of Escher's work in drugs and pharmaceuticals). [[House Goliath]] is similarly dependent on cloning amneo-vats to create new members, seeing that a majority of their members are rendered sterile through the extensive genetic and chemical tampering that turns Goliaths of both genders into roid-raging lunatics (though "Natborn" ~~members~~ exist). Incidentally, both of them have [[House Van Saar]] to thank, considering their access to technology that might be beyond even the Mechanicus is the reason they even have cloning vats.		Meanwhile, on [[Necromunda]], at least a portion of [[House Escher]]’s members are asexually born via chemically induced parthenogenesis if they don’t have fathers who are sickly males (a result of Escher's work in drugs and pharmaceuticals). [[House Goliath]] is similarly dependent on cloning amneo-vats to create new members, seeing that a majority of their members are rendered sterile through the extensive genetic and chemical tampering that turns Goliaths of both genders into roid-raging lunatics (though "Natborn" descendants amd “Unborn” adoptees exist). Incidentally, both of them have [[House Van Saar]] to thank, considering their access to technology that might be beyond even the Mechanicus is the reason they even have cloning vats.

	Of course, we can't mention cloning in 40k without discussing a certain sick fuck, the "Clone Lord" himself. Aside from extreme body modifications and drug fabrication, [[Fabius Bile]] made a name for himself through his work in cloning, most infamously cloning some late [[Primarch]]s:		Of course, we can't mention cloning in 40k without discussing a certain sick fuck, the "Clone Lord" himself. Aside from extreme body modifications and drug fabrication, [[Fabius Bile]] made a name for himself through his work in cloning, most infamously cloning some late [[Primarch]]s:

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	Cloning tech ''was'' apparently around in the [[Dark Age of Technology]], but has been largely lost to the modern Imperium. There are apparently some forms of cloning tech still around, but those who have them keep them intensely secret. The [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] makes the most use of cloning tech, being the main source of bodies to make [[Servitor]]s out of. Sometimes however, demand outpaces supply, and the cogheads have to start sourcing from more ethically questionable sources, and they aren't above turning tech-heretics into Servitors as punishment. The [[Death Korps of Krieg]] are widely rumored to use some form of cloning tech to mass-produce their suicidal martyr-soldiers. While the secrets of this tech were kept under strict wraps, it's only nominally approved by the simple fact that they're offering shittons of soldiers to feed the imperial war machine.		Cloning tech ''was'' apparently around in the [[Dark Age of Technology]], but has been largely lost to the modern Imperium. There are apparently some forms of cloning tech still around, but those who have them keep them intensely secret (notably used by Cawl’s mentor before he absorbed her intelligence core once she turned traitor). The [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] makes the most use of cloning tech, being the main source of bodies to make [[Servitor]]s out of. Sometimes however, demand outpaces supply, and the cogheads have to start sourcing from more ethically questionable sources, and they aren't above turning tech-heretics into Servitors as punishment. The [[Death Korps of Krieg]] are widely rumored to use some form of cloning tech to mass-produce their suicidal martyr-soldiers. While the secrets of this tech were kept under strict wraps, it's only nominally approved by the simple fact that they're offering shittons of soldiers to feed the imperial war machine.

	The [[Leagues of Votann]] are an entire society made up of clones and [[android]]s working together in harmony, something they know they had better damn well keep out of the knowledge of the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]]. The Kin themselves were originally cloned from humans, but as time passed, the [[Votann\|AI gods]] that the kin revere eventually made a series of genetic changes in order to improve their efficiency and eventually transform them from being just humans into [[Dwarf\|dwarves]] with a very faint warp signature, and cloning has since become the main way the kin even reproduce. It's worth noting that the kin actually worked out the "genetic diversity" issue as their "cloneskeins" have a shitton of templates to choose from, so they can tweak new kin as they're growing to nip any vulnerabilities in the bud. [[Grimnyr\|Select kin with psychic potential do exist]], mainly because a fair chunk of a Votann's information is only accessible through psychic means. Special cloneskeins were developed to facilitate this need in a controlled manner (rather than letting them pop out "organically" as the Imperium [[Black Ships#Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|oh]] [[Psyker#Imperium\|so]] [[Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|demonstrates]]).		The [[Leagues of Votann]] are an entire society made up of clones and [[android]]s working together in harmony, something they know they had better damn well keep out of the knowledge of the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]]. The Kin themselves were originally cloned from humans, but as time passed, the [[Votann\|AI gods]] that the kin revere eventually made a series of genetic changes in order to improve their efficiency and eventually transform them from being just humans into [[Dwarf\|dwarves]] with a very faint warp signature, and cloning has since become the main way the kin even reproduce. It's worth noting that the kin actually worked out the "genetic diversity" issue as their "cloneskeins" have a shitton of templates to choose from, so they can tweak new kin as they're growing to nip any vulnerabilities in the bud. [[Grimnyr\|Select kin with psychic potential do exist]], mainly because a fair chunk of a Votann's information is only accessible through psychic means. Special cloneskeins were developed to facilitate this need in a controlled manner (rather than letting them pop out "organically" as the Imperium [[Black Ships#Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|oh]] [[Psyker#Imperium\|so]] [[Adeptus Astra Telepathica\|demonstrates]]).

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	*His first success was [[Ferrus Manus]], in the hopes that [[Fulgrim]] could convince his bestest brother to switch sides after killing him during the [[Drop Site Massacre]]. Time and time again, the clones said no, and Fulgrim demanded Fabius clone Ferrus again after killing the clones over and over, believing that Bile was secretly sabotaging the cloning process every time (incidentally, this is where Fabius got his "surname" from as an enraged Fulgrim declared Fabius to be "full of bile" when Fabius honestly said there was nothing else he could do). At no point did Fulgrim ever consider that Ferrus would have never turned his back on the Imperium and, prideful being he ([[Daemon Prince\|literally]]) was, someone else had to take the blame.		*His first success was [[Ferrus Manus]], in the hopes that [[Fulgrim]] could convince his bestest brother to switch sides after killing him during the [[Drop Site Massacre]]. Time and time again, the clones said no, and Fulgrim demanded Fabius clone Ferrus again after killing the clones over and over, believing that Bile was secretly sabotaging the cloning process every time (incidentally, this is where Fabius got his "surname" from as an enraged Fulgrim declared Fabius to be "full of bile" when Fabius honestly said there was nothing else he could do). At no point did Fulgrim ever consider that Ferrus would have never turned his back on the Imperium and, prideful being he ([[Daemon Prince\|literally]]) was, someone else had to take the blame.
	*His second success was none other than [[Horus]] himself, or at least a "good enough" clone of him as [[Emperor\|Big E]] vaporized his soul back on the Vengeful Spirit (amusingly, the Ferrus clones were also imperfect, since his trademark metal-covered arms weren't "natural" and Fabius couldn't replicate that). [[Abbadon\|A certain armless failure]] caught wind of this, and [[Battle of Harmony\|besieged the Emperor's Children-held stronghold of Harmony]] both to kill the clone and to assert his de facto leadership over the Traitor Legions. Suffice to say, this did little to endear Bill with the surviving members of his Legion (as Harmony happened after [[Kharn]] [[Rape\|royally buttfucked]] both the [[Emperor's Children]] and the [[World Eaters]] at [[Battle of Skalathrax\|Skalathrax]]), on top of being disowned by Fulgrim for his "failure" with Ferrus and now being on the newly-minted Despoiler's shitlist. Bile was effectively declared persona non grata and struck out on his own. Not that he minded, as he was more interested in his research and he's still the best biologist the Traitor Legions have, so they begrudgingly let him live in exchange for his latest batch of (non-Primarch) clones for new recruits and whatever drugs he and his cronies have cooked up, presumably paying Bile with whatever slaves and/or cultists the Legions consider expendable for Fabius to work his magic on.		*His second success was none other than [[Horus]] himself, or at least a "good enough" clone of him as [[Emperor\|Big E]] vaporized his soul back on the Vengeful Spirit (amusingly, the Ferrus clones were also imperfect, since his trademark metal-covered arms weren't "natural" and Fabius couldn't replicate that). [[Abbadon\|A certain armless failure]] caught wind of this, and [[Battle of Harmony\|besieged the Emperor's Children-held stronghold of Harmony]] both to kill the clone and to assert his de facto leadership over the Traitor Legions. Suffice to say, this did little to endear Bill with the surviving members of his Legion (as Harmony happened after [[Kharn]] [[Rape\|royally buttfucked]] both the [[Emperor's Children]] and the [[World Eaters]] at [[Battle of Skalathrax\|Skalathrax]]), on top of being disowned by Fulgrim for his "failure" with Ferrus and now being on the newly-minted Despoiler's shitlist. Bile was effectively declared persona non grata and struck out on his own. Not that he minded, as he was more interested in his research and he's still the best biologist the Traitor Legions have, so they begrudgingly let him live in exchange for his latest batch of (non-Primarch) clones for new recruits and whatever drugs he and his cronies have cooked up, presumably paying Bile with whatever slaves and/or cultists the Legions consider expendable for Fabius to work his magic on.
			*A lesser-known success was that of Fulgrim himself, which Bile hoped to use as the template for a new, untainted batch of Astartes to prepare the galaxy for his New Men. However, the clone retained Fulgrim's urge to go on crusades and after a series of disagreements Fabius put him into suspended animation and gave him to [[Trazyn the Infinite]] as a gift.

	Of course, Fabius keeps the best stuff for himself, and his cloning processes are no exception. He's made clones of himself both to improve manpower (as few people would want to associate with him lest they become his newest test subjects) and to stave off death from the Blight that once plagued his Legion (hopping bodies every time his current body started to fail). Indeed, his obsession with medical horrors stems from trying to find a cure from said Blight, which was only rectified when the Legion reunited with Fulgrim, so any marines from the old tainted batches were [[Blam\|discarded]] instead. Being the Chief Apothecary at the time put Fabius in a position to falsify his medical records, and start utilizing less ethical means of keeping the Blight at bay. [[Grimdark\|His path to damnation was indeed paved with good intentions]], and while he did find a way to escape the Blight's clutches through his work in cloning, a proper cure was ultimately never found.		Of course, Fabius keeps the best stuff for himself, and his cloning processes are no exception. He's made clones of himself both to improve manpower (as few people would want to associate with him lest they become his newest test subjects) and to stave off death from the Blight that once plagued his Legion (hopping bodies every time his current body started to fail). Indeed, his obsession with medical horrors stems from trying to find a cure from said Blight, which was only rectified when the Legion reunited with Fulgrim, so any marines from the old tainted batches were [[Blam\|discarded]] instead. Being the Chief Apothecary at the time put Fabius in a position to falsify his medical records, and start utilizing less ethical means of keeping the Blight at bay. [[Grimdark\|His path to damnation was indeed paved with good intentions]], and while he did find a way to escape the Blight's clutches through his work in cloning, a proper cure was ultimately never found.