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1d4chan>MrPhantom: /* Chapter Organisation */

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Chapter Organisation

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	{{Topquote\|But NO! You succeeded because you were trained by the book. The holy codex of our OH SO WONDERFUL I COULD SHIT MY '''POWER PANTS''' Spiritual Liege\|[[If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device\|Marneus Calgar's true thoughts on the Codex Astartes]]}}		{{Topquote\|But NO! You succeeded because you were trained by the book. The holy codex of our OH SO WONDERFUL I COULD SHIT MY '''POWER PANTS''' Spiritual Liege\|[[If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device\|Marneus Calgar's true thoughts on the Codex Astartes]]}}
	Under the Codex Astartes, the Space Marine legions were to be split into groups of 1000 fighting men called a [[Space Marine Chapter\|Chapter]]. While many people assume this means a chapter is composed of 1000 men, this is a bit misleading because that number does not include the chapter's upper echelons, support structure, auxiliary units (now including Scouts), dreadnought-interred veterans, the Librarius, honor guard, or other specialists (Techmarines, Apothecaries, Chaplains, pilots, permanent shipboard crews etc); this means that a chapter will commonly have upwards of 1100 space marines while still being codex compliant (1000 Brothers and Sergeants on the line, the rest officers and specialists) and many chapters will have large units of mortal retainers (including thousands of Voidship crew in their fleet) to serve as auxiliary forces. It's not uncommon for a chapter to have tens of thousands of soldiers to call upon, though only a minority of them will actually be Adeptus Astartes. It's important to note that the Chapter was already an existing subunit within the pre-Heresy legions, and those were organized much as they were in the Codex. Astartes chapters maintain a [[Fortress-Monastery]] that serves as their home and may maintain other garrisons as well. Fleet-based chapters are addressed below.		Under the Codex Astartes, the Space Marine legions were to be split into groups of 1000 fighting men called a [[Space Marine Chapter\|Chapter]]. While many people assume this means a chapter is composed of 1000 men, this is a bit misleading because that number does not include the chapter's upper echelons, support structure, auxiliary units (now including Scouts), dreadnought-interred veterans, the Librarius, honor guard, or other specialists (Techmarines, Apothecaries, Chaplains, pilots, permanent shipboard crews etc); this means that a chapter will commonly have upwards of 1100 space marines while still being codex compliant (1000 Brothers and Sergeants on the line, the rest officers and specialists) and many chapters will have large units of mortal retainers (including thousands of Voidship crew in their fleet, hell thousands to tens of thousands for a single ship isn't uncommon, so Chapters with big fleets pretty much have massive naval infantrymen just be default though of course the number doesn't hold a candle to [[Imperial Navy]] voidsmen) to serve as auxiliary forces. It's not uncommon for a chapter to have tens of thousands of soldiers to call upon, though only a minority of them will actually be Adeptus Astartes. It's important to note that the Chapter was already an existing subunit within the pre-Heresy legions, and those were organized much as they were in the Codex. Astartes chapters maintain a [[Fortress-Monastery]] that serves as their home and may maintain other garrisons as well. Fleet-based chapters are addressed below.

	It should be noted, however, that the numbers of Veterans in a Chapter is not limited. Most Veterans choose to stick with their parent Battle Company. Considering how the training pipeline goes from the Scouts and through each Reserve Company, some might suggest the Space Marine Chapters treat the Battle Companies as a final training and test and then make those who pass into Veterans to circumvent the recruitment limitations. That they have not change recruitment practices and rates despite their numerical limitations is at least a little suspicious and confusing. Then there's the Imperial Fists recruiting from countless worlds plus Terra yet somehow have only a thousand Marines.		It should be noted, however, that the numbers of Veterans in a Chapter is not limited. Most Veterans choose to stick with their parent Battle Company. Considering how the training pipeline goes from the Scouts and through each Reserve Company, some might suggest the Space Marine Chapters treat the Battle Companies as a final training and test and then make those who pass into Veterans to circumvent the recruitment limitations. That they have not change recruitment practices and rates despite their numerical limitations is at least a little suspicious and confusing. Then there's the Imperial Fists recruiting from countless worlds plus Terra yet somehow have only a thousand Marines.

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Space Book says this bad

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	{{Topquote\|The Codex Astartes is a set of rules. They guide us. Shape us as Ultramarines. Teach us how to hold duty and honor sacred above all. But how we live with those rules is the true test of a Space Marine.\|[[Captain Titus]], [[Ultramarines]] 2nd Company}}		{{Topquote\|The Codex Astartes is a set of rules. They guide us. Shape us as Ultramarines. Teach us how to hold duty and honor sacred above all. But how we live with those rules is the true test of a Space Marine.\|[[Captain Titus]], [[Ultramarines]] 2nd Company}}

	{{Topquote\|Space Book says no.\|Leandros, [[Ultramarines]] 2nd Company}}		{{Topquote\|Space Book says this bad.\|Leandros, [[Ultramarines]] 2nd Company}}

	{{Topquote\|They tell me Guilliman wrote a book- maybe, with all that time on his hands, he might have seen this coming.\|Leman Russ, during the Horus Heresy}}		{{Topquote\|They tell me Guilliman wrote a book- maybe, with all that time on his hands, he might have seen this coming.\|Leman Russ, during the Horus Heresy}}

1d4chan>MrPhantom: /* Non-Codex Chapters */

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Non-Codex Chapters

1d4chan>MrPhantom: /* Chapters with differences in formations or composition */

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Chapters with differences in formations or composition

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	*The Ultramarines still have an [[Ultramarines Honour Company\|"apparent" 11th company]] that guards the Eye of Terror; made up of volunteer squads donated from their successors but all wearing Ultramarine uniforms.		*The Ultramarines still have an [[Ultramarines Honour Company\|"apparent" 11th company]] that guards the Eye of Terror; made up of volunteer squads donated from their successors but all wearing Ultramarine uniforms.
	*After Guilliman's return, he appointed Decimus Felix as an 11th captain/equerry ''(no particular company assigned at this time)''. The break with the codex was enough to give Felix cause for concern. Later, Guilliman appointed him Tetrarch and gave him authority over Ultramar's Eastern expanses.		*After Guilliman's return, he appointed Decimus Felix as an 11th captain/equerry ''(no particular company assigned at this time)''. The break with the codex was enough to give Felix cause for concern. Later, Guilliman appointed him Tetrarch and gave him authority over Ultramar's Eastern expanses.
	*[[Cato Sicarius]] is still the 11th ''(12th/13th?)'' Captain. He now commands the [[Victrix Guard]], which is a new formation of Veterans who act as Guilliman's bodyguards and envoys.		*[[Cato Sicarius]] is still the 11th ''(12th/13th?)'' Captain. He now commands the [[Victrix Guard]], which is a new formation of Veterans who act as Guilliman's bodyguards and envoys. This might actually set a precedent by creating separate a Honour Guard for the Primarch from a First Founding Chapter's normal Honour Guard, who for the Ultramarines still serve with Chapter Master [[Marneus Calgar]].
	*There is also Captain Demeter and the Fulminata, which are a Demi-Company outside the main companies.		*There is also Captain Demeter and the Fulminata, which are a Demi-Company outside the main companies.

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Chapters with differences in formations or composition

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	'''[[Dark Angels]] and Successors (collectively "The Unforgiven")'''		'''[[Dark Angels]] and Successors (collectively "The Unforgiven")'''
	*The [[Deathwing]] & [[Ravenwing]] instead of First and Second companies. As of the start of the [[Indomitus Crusade]] (8th edition), this modification has been officially approved by Guilliman, ostensibly on account of their proven effectiveness.		*The [[Deathwing]] & [[Ravenwing]] instead of First and Second companies. Veteran elite Deathwing Knights (each squad lead by a Knight Master) and Ravenwing Black Knights present in Deathwings and Ravenwings. As of the start of the [[Indomitus Crusade]] (8th edition), this modification has been officially approved by Guilliman, ostensibly on account of their proven effectiveness. Deathwing Lieutenants are called Strikemasters and Ravenwing Lieutenants are called Talonmasters.
	*Inner Circle in place of the usual chapter command structure.		*Inner Circle in place of the usual chapter command structure.
	*Chaplains taking the additional role of [[Chaplain#Dark_Angels_Interrogator-Chaplain\|Interrogators]].		*Chaplains taking the additional role of [[Chaplain#Dark_Angels_Interrogator-Chaplain\|Interrogators]].

1d4chan>MrPhantom: /* Fire Support */

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Fire Support

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	====Fire Support====		====Fire Support====
	*'''[[Devastator Squad]]''': Devastator Marines can be summed up in three words: Blow shit up. The purpose of the Devastator is to provide artillery strikes and heavy weapons fire in battle, and hunt tanks. Once a Scout earns his Black Carapace and Power Armor, he will be attached to a Devastator Squad, allowing him to gain battlefield experience by watching the conflict from afar with the added perk of allowing a new marine to bond with his armor while learning its strengths by lugging heavy weapons around. Unlike [[Sisters of Battle]], the Devastator title refers to organization rather than weapon skill. Devastator squads will contain both heavy weapons and bolter marines who act as spotters and loaders; likewise, the heavy weapon marines in tactical squads are tactical marines, not devastators.		*'''[[Devastator Squad]]''': Devastator Marines can be summed up in three words: Blow shit up. The purpose of the Devastator is to provide artillery strikes and heavy weapons fire in battle, and hunt tanks. Once a Scout earns his Black Carapace and Power Armor, he will be attached to a Devastator Squad, allowing him to gain battlefield experience by watching the conflict from afar with the added perk of allowing a new marine to bond with his armor while learning its strengths by lugging heavy weapons around. Unlike [[Sisters of Battle]], the Devastator title refers to organization rather than weapon skill. Devastator squads will contain both heavy weapons and bolter marines who act as spotters and loaders; likewise, the heavy weapon marines in tactical squads are tactical marines, not devastators.
	**'''Devastator [[Centurion Squad]]:''' Devastators trained to wear Centurion Warsuits, allowing them to carry considerably more firepower than any other marine short of a dreadnought. Centurion squads are organised in combat squads of three rather than five, which means that the reorganization of the codex to accommodate more variety actually means leftover soldiers can bulk up other Demi-squads without interfering with the 100 man standard.		**'''Devastator [[Centurion Squad]]:''' Devastators trained to wear Centurion Warsuits, allowing them to carry considerably more firepower than any other marine short of a dreadnought. Centurion squads are organised in combat squads of three rather than five, which means that the reorganization of the codex to accommodate more variety actually means leftover soldiers can bulk up other Demi-squads without interfering with the 100 man standard.
	*'''[[Hellblaster]] Squad:''' Primaris Marines who show a particular talent for marksmanship are elevated to the position of Hellblaster, which makes them a sort of elite promotion rather than Devastators who are often newbies. The reason for this is because the Plasma Incinerators they wield are very rare and difficult to maintain, and so are be entrusted to the care of a warrior who can put them to best use. Their role is to provide dedicated anti-armor firepower without sacrificing mobility in the process, and assault and heavy variants of the Plasma Incinerator also exist for greater effectiveness against massed light infantry and vehicles, respectively.		*'''[[Hellblaster]] Squad:''' Primaris Marines who show a particular talent for marksmanship are elevated to the position of Hellblaster, which makes them a sort of elite promotion rather than Devastators who are often newbies. The reason for this is because the Plasma Incinerators they wield are very rare and difficult to maintain, and so are be entrusted to the care of a warrior who can put them to best use. Their role is to provide dedicated anti-armor firepower without sacrificing mobility in the process, and assault and heavy variants of the Plasma Incinerator also exist for greater effectiveness against massed light infantry and vehicles, respectively.

1d4chan>MrPhantom: /* Others */

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Others

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	The first and tenth companies '''very''' rarely take to the field as single formations; instead the veterans are seconded to other companies, often serving as commanding officers and sergeants to other squads, so as to spread their experience and skill as widely as possible. The same is also said of Scouts, who are attached to other companies as auxiliary units so that they can learn their trades alongside their more experienced brothers, which was in fact the standard operating procedure as putting all scouts together was only done in major battles in desperate situations where the entire chapter was at war before the reforms dispersed the scouts by default to all companies and made the Tenth Company into a full vanguard company. Now, Vanguard squads are far more likely to be dispersed and if the Vanguard Company is working as one there is a direly critical objective to infiltrate which will likely draw most of the Chapter anyway. If the Veteran Company is fighting all together shit has officially hit the fan.		The first and tenth companies '''very''' rarely take to the field as single formations; instead the veterans are seconded to other companies, often serving as commanding officers and sergeants to other squads, so as to spread their experience and skill as widely as possible. The same is also said of Scouts, who are attached to other companies as auxiliary units so that they can learn their trades alongside their more experienced brothers, which was in fact the standard operating procedure as putting all scouts together was only done in major battles in desperate situations where the entire chapter was at war before the reforms dispersed the scouts by default to all companies and made the Tenth Company into a full vanguard company. Now, Vanguard squads are far more likely to be dispersed and if the Vanguard Company is working as one there is a direly critical objective to infiltrate which will likely draw most of the Chapter anyway. If the Veteran Company is fighting all together shit has officially hit the fan.

	On top of listed equipment pretty much every marine not in Terminator or Gravis armor carries multiple frag and krak [[Grenades ~~and~~ Explosives\|grenades]] and their combat knives.		On top of listed equipment pretty much every marine not in Terminator or Gravis armor carries multiple frag and krak [[Grenades & Explosives\|grenades]] and their combat knives.

	A very common codex variant is to keep a company's veterans attached to their parent company permanently, acting as an additional squad in a company and assisting the captain and his command staff where necessary, filling the role of Champion, Standard Bearer and any other administrative positions as the Command Squad. These men are very seldom counted as part of the 100 man structure of the company and are instead counted among the command staff. More rarely the Veterans will supplant one of the tactical squads, particularly when they act autonomously from the Captain and form the line of battle, instead of as a command squad - or in an even greater deviation from the codex, are added as an extra squad that is counted amongst the company's order of battle. This organization is used by the [[Space Sharks]], [[Iron Hands]] (and most of their successors due to the ancient Clan-Company tradition), [[Iron Snakes]], [[Executioners]], and [[Dark Angels]] (and their successors, as their first and second companies are the [[Deathwing]] and [[Ravenwing]] and they have... special duties, see below and their articles) among others.		A very common codex variant is to keep a company's veterans attached to their parent company permanently, acting as an additional squad in a company and assisting the captain and his command staff where necessary, filling the role of Champion, Standard Bearer and any other administrative positions as the Command Squad. These men are very seldom counted as part of the 100 man structure of the company and are instead counted among the command staff. More rarely the Veterans will supplant one of the tactical squads, particularly when they act autonomously from the Captain and form the line of battle, instead of as a command squad - or in an even greater deviation from the codex, are added as an extra squad that is counted amongst the company's order of battle. This organization is used by the [[Space Sharks]], [[Iron Hands]] (and most of their successors due to the ancient Clan-Company tradition), [[Iron Snakes]], [[Executioners]], and [[Dark Angels]] (and their successors, as their first and second companies are the [[Deathwing]] and [[Ravenwing]] and they have... special duties, see below and their articles) among others.

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	{{Topquote\|The Codex Astartes is a set of rules. They guide us. Shape us as Ultramarines. Teach us how to hold duty and honor sacred above all. But how we live with those rules is the true test of a Space Marine.\|[[Captain Titus]], [[Ultramarines]] 2nd Company}}		{{Topquote\|The Codex Astartes is a set of rules. They guide us. Shape us as Ultramarines. Teach us how to hold duty and honor sacred above all. But how we live with those rules is the true test of a Space Marine.\|[[Captain Titus]], [[Ultramarines]] 2nd Company}}

	{{Topquote\|Space Book says no.\|Leandros, [[Ultramarines]] 2nd Company}}		{{Topquote\|Space Book says this bad.\|Leandros, [[Ultramarines]] 2nd Company}}

	{{Topquote\|They tell me Guilliman wrote a book- maybe, with all that time on his hands, he might have seen this coming.\|Leman Russ, during the Horus Heresy}}		{{Topquote\|They tell me Guilliman wrote a book- maybe, with all that time on his hands, he might have seen this coming.\|Leman Russ, during the Horus Heresy}}

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	*Although they do however take some useful tactics from the codex because they like them, they see them as just that: useful tactics, and nothing more.		*Although they do however take some useful tactics from the codex because they like them, they see them as just that: useful tactics, and nothing more.
	*Fenrisian Wolves/Thunderwolves used by the Chapter. This may or may not be heresy.		*Fenrisian Wolves/Thunderwolves used by the Chapter. This may or may not be heresy.
	*Have more than a thousand marines, yet not that much as the Black Templars. If anything, its just a few more hundred.		*Have more than a thousand marines, yet not that much as the Black Templars. If anything, its just a few more hundred. Well, until recently that is. They now have straight up multiple thousands in at least one Great Company and nobody cares anymore due to the Great Rift.
	*Threw the typical training process out the window because of the Canis Helix which must be taken prior to the rest of the [[Gene-seed]], otherwise the rest of the organs will not work. That the Helix is also incompatible with anyone outside of Fenris is another reason why they go past the Codex-mandated limit to help recover from losses.		*Threw the typical training process out the window because of the Canis Helix which must be taken prior to the rest of the [[Gene-seed]], otherwise the rest of the organs will not work. That the Helix is also incompatible with anyone outside of Fenris is another reason why they go past the Codex-mandated limit to help recover from losses.
	*A newly trained initiate as thrown into their assault companies called [[Blood Claw]]s, to allow them to express and better-control their savage nature. Particularly rowdy Blood Claws end up in the [[Skyclaw]]s, the ''actual'' [[Assault Marines\|Assault Marine]] counterparts.		*A newly trained initiate as thrown into their assault companies called [[Blood Claw]]s, to allow them to express and better-control their savage nature. Particularly rowdy Blood Claws end up in the [[Skyclaw]]s, the ''actual'' [[Assault Marines\|Assault Marine]] counterparts.
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	*Tactical Marines are known as [[Grey Hunter]]s, and any Blood Claws who have worked out their aggression are moved here.		*Tactical Marines are known as [[Grey Hunter]]s, and any Blood Claws who have worked out their aggression are moved here.
	*Their Devastators are called [[Long Fang]]s and rather than an immediate position, it is reserved for the most battle-hardened veterans who have proven themselves capable enough of being entrusted with the ownership and handling of the chapter's heavy weaponry.		*Their Devastators are called [[Long Fang]]s and rather than an immediate position, it is reserved for the most battle-hardened veterans who have proven themselves capable enough of being entrusted with the ownership and handling of the chapter's heavy weaponry.
			*Squads/Packs can be oversized, and if they lose all but one member they aren't reinforced. Said lone survivor becomes a Lone Wolf, who seeks death in battle against the strongest foes to atone for the shame. If against all odds said Marine does manage to kill a big ugly creature/huge tank/massive horde without dying, they get promoted to Wolf Guard.
			*Honour Guard renamed Wolf Guard, who are not limited in number and anyone can be promoted there after sufficient valor and heroic feats, including Lone Wolves. Each Wolf Lord (Captain) has a Wolf Guard, each Wolf Lord has two Wolf Guard Battle Leaders (Lieutenant) and The Great Wolf (Chapter Master) has the largest Wolf Guard.
			*The Great Wolf directly leads the First Company, though as mentioned previously this is not a unique arragement.
	*In the previous editions, they had access to [[Leman Russ Battle Tank]]s, since the tank was named after their Primarch.		*In the previous editions, they had access to [[Leman Russ Battle Tank]]s, since the tank was named after their Primarch.
	*Wolf Priests combine both Chaplain and Apothecary roles.		*Wolf Priests combine both Chaplain and Apothecary roles.