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1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* Dungeons and Dragons 4e's Named Roles */

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 ** Class differentiation within the role was usually based on very little, as Controllers were all based on "the same as Wizards, but slightly different in some way".
 ** Examples from the original PHB: Wizard
 ===[[Lancer (RPG)|Lancer]] Roles===

1d4chan>Saarlacfunkel: /* In MMOs */

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	* '''Burst''', who does a lot of healing/damage all at once, but is usually fairly slow about it, '''DPS''' ("damage per second") who focuses on doing damage at quick bursts (and yes, "Healing Per Second" is a thing), and '''DoT/HoT''', "damage/heal over time", spells and abilities which inflict status effects that do damage/heal continuously.		* '''Burst''', who does a lot of healing/damage all at once, but is usually fairly slow about it, '''DPS''' ("damage per second") who focuses on doing damage at quick bursts (and yes, "Healing Per Second" is a thing), and '''DoT/HoT''', "damage/heal over time", spells and abilities which inflict status effects that do damage/heal continuously.
	* '''Area of Effect''' (AoE), which focuses on large groups and areas, as opposed to a '''Single Target''' specialist. Both have value, as sometimes you're fighting a horde<ref>And so the multiplicative effect of AoE is useful</ref>, and sometimes you're fighting a singular big monster.<ref>And thus, the multiplicative bonus of AoE is lost, leaving you with a fairly weak spell that doesn't do much.</ref>		* '''Area of Effect''' (AoE), which focuses on large groups and areas, as opposed to a '''Single Target''' specialist. Both have value, as sometimes you're fighting a horde<ref>And so the multiplicative effect of AoE is useful</ref>, and sometimes you're fighting a singular big monster.<ref>And thus, the multiplicative bonus of AoE is lost, leaving you with a fairly weak spell that doesn't do much.</ref>
			* '''Preferred distance''': How far away from the enemy the character likes to stand. Usually, Tanks are up close, while Healers are further back (unless they're Off-Tanks themselves), with DPS varying between the two, although there are exceptions. For example, PvP games can have Ranged Tanks who, while they can stay out of the fight, can survive just about anything the enemy team throws at them; they usually have some trade-off to make them balanced.<ref>For example: "Tanky ranged damage dealer who takes forever to set that damage up" or "Can survive a surprisingly long time taking damage, but is slow to move, so if his teammates don't take down his attackers, he's fucked"</ref>

	There are a plethora of side roles, usually one of the above with a little bit below, or two or more of the below:		There are a plethora of side roles, usually one of the above with a little bit below, or two or more of the below:

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	Originally fully developed as an MMO concept<ref>There was ''some'' discussion in tabletop RPGs, but game balance is '''much''' more noticeable in video games than in tabletop RPGs, in part because the base idea of "balance" is different.</ref>, '''Combat Roles''' are a somewhat useful concept in designing individual combat systems. These roles have been imported into Tabletop games over the years, most notably by Dungeons & Dragons [[4e]].		Originally fully developed as an MMO concept<ref>Well, ''originally'' originally, in wargames and actual war, but this article is currently pretty much purely about RPGs and similar.</ref><ref>There was ''some'' discussion in tabletop RPGs, but game balance is '''much''' more noticeable in video games than in tabletop RPGs, in part because the base idea of "balance" is different.</ref>, '''Combat Roles''' are a somewhat useful concept in designing individual combat systems. These roles have been imported into Tabletop games over the years, most notably by Dungeons & Dragons [[4e]].

	==In MMOs==		==In MMOs==

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	* '''Burst''', who does a lot of healing/damage all at once, but is usually fairly slow about it, '''DPS''' ("damage per second") who focuses on doing damage at quick bursts (and yes, "Healing Per Second" is a thing), and '''DoT/HoT''', "damage/heal over time", spells and abilities which inflict status effects that do damage/heal continuously.		* '''Burst''', who does a lot of healing/damage all at once, but is usually fairly slow about it, '''DPS''' ("damage per second") who focuses on doing damage at quick bursts (and yes, "Healing Per Second" is a thing), and '''DoT/HoT''', "damage/heal over time", spells and abilities which inflict status effects that do damage/heal continuously.
	* '''Area of Effect''' (AoE), which focuses on large groups and areas, as opposed to a '''Single Target''' specialist. Both have value, as sometimes you're fighting a horde <ref>And so the multiplicative effect of AoE is useful</ref>, and sometimes you're fighting a singular big monster. <ref>And thus, the multiplicative bonus of AoE is lost, leaving you with a fairly weak spell that doesn't do much.</ref>		* '''Area of Effect''' (AoE), which focuses on large groups and areas, as opposed to a '''Single Target''' specialist. Both have value, as sometimes you're fighting a horde<ref>And so the multiplicative effect of AoE is useful</ref>, and sometimes you're fighting a singular big monster.<ref>And thus, the multiplicative bonus of AoE is lost, leaving you with a fairly weak spell that doesn't do much.</ref>

	There are a plethora of side roles, usually one of the above with a little bit below, or two or more of the below:		There are a plethora of side roles, usually one of the above with a little bit below, or two or more of the below:

1d4chan>Newerfag: /* Outside of 4e */

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Outside of 4e

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	* The '''[[CoDzilla]]''', who breaks game balance neatly in half with as many self-buffs as will fit.		* The '''[[CoDzilla]]''', who breaks game balance neatly in half with as many self-buffs as will fit.
	* The '''[[That guy]]''', who annoys the rest of the group to no end.		* The '''[[That guy]]''', who annoys the rest of the group to no end.
	* The '''[[Rules lawyer]]''', ~~who~~ makes the DM break down and cry.		* The '''[[Rules lawyer]]''', whose nitpicking over semantics makes the DM break down and cry.

	(Admittedly, those last two are more "kick out of the gaming group" roles, but still...)		(Admittedly, those last two are more "kick out of the gaming group" roles, but still...)

1d4chan>Agiletek: /* As applied to /tg/ */

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As applied to /tg/

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	These roles are typically filled by the [[Fighter]], [[Rogue]], [[Wizard]] and [[Cleric]]. This has even been enforced in a handful of instances, such as [[RPGA]] campaigns that lets a player use a pregen of one of those classes without penalty (applying all earnings to their “real” character) if no applicable class was present among the characters of the players that showed up for the game.		These roles are typically filled by the [[Fighter]], [[Rogue]], [[Wizard]] and [[Cleric]]. This has even been enforced in a handful of instances, such as [[RPGA]] campaigns that lets a player use a pregen of one of those classes without penalty (applying all earnings to their “real” character) if no applicable class was present among the characters of the players that showed up for the game.

	In practice, these four classes are [[Tier System\|wildly imbalanced against each other]]~~<ref>~~The Martial has no part in non-combat challenges, the Skill Monkey has only limited combat applicability, and the Casters both have a great deal of both.~~</ref>~~, the exact division of duties falls apart even with more typical classes (A Wizard and a [[Ranger]] together have the skill points to handle most mundane skills without sacrificing their ability as a caster or martial, many divine casters can smash heads as well as, if not better than, typical pure martials ect.,) and hybrid characters work weirdly in the doctrine. Still, despite the issues present, the four roles are considered reasonable as rough guidelines for party composition.		In practice, these four classes are [[Tier System\|wildly imbalanced against each other]] (The Martial has no part in non-combat challenges, the Skill Monkey has only limited combat applicability, and the Casters both have a great deal of both.), the exact division of duties falls apart even with more typical classes (A Wizard and a [[Ranger]] together have the skill points to handle most mundane skills without sacrificing their ability as a caster or martial, many divine casters can smash heads as well as, if not better than, typical pure martials ect.,) and hybrid characters work weirdly in the doctrine. Still, despite the issues present, the four roles are considered reasonable as rough guidelines for party composition.

			These roles would be referenced in [[Magic: The Gathering]] starting with ''[[Zendikar]] Rising'' in the Gather Your Party mechanic, presumably so it can be reused for ''Adventures in the [[Forgotten Realms]]''. With this mechanic, cards gain more power for every one of the classic roles (Soldier, Rogue, Wizard and Cleric) you have summoned. The cards with this mechanic shown in the previews are less than impressive, but maybe the full set will be less trash (or have some degenerate infinite loop).

	===[[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition\|Dungeons and Dragons 4e]]'s Named Roles===		===[[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition\|Dungeons and Dragons 4e]]'s Named Roles===

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	* '''Tank'''. The guy who goes up front, and absorbs all the damage from the monsters<ref>For the purposes of this article, all enemies, human or not, are called "monsters", just to keep things simpler when a "is the enemy of my enemy my friend?" situation comes up.</ref>.		* '''Tank'''. The guy who goes up front, and absorbs all the damage from the monsters<ref>For the purposes of this article, all enemies, human or not, are called "monsters", just to keep things simpler when a "is the enemy of my enemy my friend?" situation comes up.</ref>.
	* '''Healer'''. The guy who makes sure the Tank and Damage stay in combat, rather than dying or needing to retreat.		* '''Healer'''. The guy who makes sure the Tank and Damage stay in combat, rather than dying or needing to retreat.
	* '''Damage'''. The guy who actually kills the monsters. ~~Usually comes in three varieties~~, '''Burst''', who does a lot of damage all at once, but is usually fairly slow about it, '''DPS''' ("damage per second") who focuses on doing damage at quick bursts, and '''DoT''', "damage over time", spells and abilities which inflict status effects that do damage continuously.		* '''Damage'''. The guy who actually kills the monsters.

			Further, the Healer and Damage generally get subdivided or modified a bit:

			* '''Burst''', who does a lot of healing/damage all at once, but is usually fairly slow about it, '''DPS''' ("damage per second") who focuses on doing damage at quick bursts (and yes, "Healing Per Second" is a thing), and '''DoT/HoT''', "damage/heal over time", spells and abilities which inflict status effects that do damage/heal continuously.
			* '''Area of Effect''' (AoE), which focuses on large groups and areas, as opposed to a '''Single Target''' specialist. Both have value, as sometimes you're fighting a horde <ref>And so the multiplicative effect of AoE is useful</ref>, and sometimes you're fighting a singular big monster. <ref>And thus, the multiplicative bonus of AoE is lost, leaving you with a fairly weak spell that doesn't do much.</ref>

	There are a plethora of side roles, usually one of the above with a little bit below, or two or more of the below:		There are a plethora of side roles, usually one of the above with a little bit below, or two or more of the below:

	* The '''Area of Effect''' (AoE) guy, who focuses on large groups and areas, as opposed to a '''Single Target''' specialist. More a modifier for the trinity; both have value, as sometimes you're fighting a horde <ref>And so the multiplicative effect of AoE is useful</ref>, and sometimes you're fighting a singular big monster. <ref>And thus, the multiplicative bonus of AoE is lost, leaving you with a fairly weak spell that doesn't do much.</ref>
	* The '''Off Tank''', who could fill in for the Tank for a short while so he could heal or reposition.		* The '''Off Tank''', who could fill in for the Tank for a short while so he could heal or reposition.
	* The '''Buffer''', who boosts his teammates' abilities. May ''sound'' useless, but most systems go out of their way to make Buffs valuable. Likely to be combined with Healer, Tank, or Debuffer.		* The '''Buffer''', who boosts his teammates' abilities. May ''sound'' useless, but most systems go out of their way to make Buffs valuable<ref>And anybody who's played a incremental game like Cookie Clicker can tell you that multiplicative bonuses that stack can get small numbers really big '''really''' quickly.</ref>. Likely to be combined with Healer, Tank, or Debuffer.
	* The '''Debuffer''', who penalizes his enemies' abilities. Similar to the Buffer, but for enemies. Likely to be combined with Tank, Damage (frequently a DoT type), or Buffer.		* The '''Debuffer''', who penalizes his enemies' abilities. Similar to the Buffer, but for enemies. Likely to be combined with Tank, Damage (frequently a DoT type), or Buffer.
	* The '''Petmaster''' or '''Summoner''', who has a pet or pets, who are either an Off-Tank or extra Damage.		* The '''Petmaster''' or '''Summoner''', who has a pet or pets, who are either an Off-Tank or extra Damage.