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	{{topquote\|You know what would be better than a gun? Two guns!\|Basic American}}		{{topquote\|You know what would be better than a gun? Two guns!\|Basic American}}

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	Added in with the Deathwatch army, it's just as it sounds, a heavy bolter with an under-slung heavy flamer, whoever made this must have been high off their tits because that shit is ridiculous. Maybe they've been hanging around orks too long because this sounds like a serious case of wanting more [[Dakka]]. You know though, it sort of makes sense that the guys dealing with [[Xenos]] filth all the time would take the most inspiration from them.		Added in with the Deathwatch army, it's just as it sounds, a heavy bolter with an under-slung heavy flamer, whoever made this must have been high off their tits because that shit is ridiculous. Maybe they've been hanging around orks too long because this sounds like a serious case of wanting more [[Dakka]]. You know though, it sort of makes sense that the guys dealing with [[Xenos]] filth all the time would take the most inspiration from them.

	Besides, when you only have a squad and are supposed to fight things an entire company of Astartes would normally face, you need as much dakka as possible. In any case, combining a heavy bolter with the ability to wipe out anyone who manages to get through the hail of fire without stopping the bolt-throwing is pretty dang good.		Besides, when you only have a squad and are supposed to fight things an entire company of Astartes would normally face, you need as much dakka as possible. In any case, combining a heavy bolter with the ability to wipe out anyone who manages to get through the hail of fire without stopping the bolt-throwing is pretty dang good.

	On tabletop, it costs 14 points and can be fired together like other combi-weapons, imposing a -1 to-hit penalty which the auto-hitting Heavy Flamer component gives precisely 0 shits about. Bear in mind that if you're shooting on the move, the Heavy Bolter already has a -1 to-hit penalty. The frag cannon is 6 points more, but simply does the job far better.		On tabletop, it costs 14 points and can be fired together like other combi-weapons, imposing a -1 to-hit penalty which the auto-hitting Heavy Flamer component gives precisely 0 shits about. Bear in mind that if you're shooting on the move, the Heavy Bolter already has a -1 to-hit penalty. The frag cannon is 6 points more, but simply does the job far better.
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	Another example was the Swedish NIVA XM1970 in the 1970’s. Not content to merely have Carl Gustav recoilless rifles and regular guns distributed within a platoon and wanting something with more firepower than rifle grenades, the Carl Gustav tried to mate a bullpup rifle with a recoilless rifle to give a soldier more dakka. Unfortunately they never figured out how to trim weight and size down. And nobody in the military was even interested in buying the thing.		Another example was the Swedish NIVA XM1970 in the 1970’s. Not content to merely have Carl Gustav recoilless rifles and regular guns distributed within a platoon and wanting something with more firepower than rifle grenades, the Carl Gustav tried to mate a bullpup rifle with a recoilless rifle to give a soldier more dakka. Unfortunately they never figured out how to trim weight and size down. And nobody in the military was even interested in buying the thing.

	But nobody out-riches the US Army, who tried to make their own combi-gun called the [[meme\|OICW]]YDT, combining a crummier version of an M4 carbine bolted to a computerized laser-ranged airbursting grenade launcher. The smart grenades for this thing cost more EACH than the gun it was combo-ed with. The whole thing weighed about 30 pounds and was as easy to carry as a similarly heavy sack of dog food. Eventually the combi-gun idea part of the whole deal was scrapped and the smart grenades were tested alone as the XM25 before being dropped for being too expensive and not reliable enough. The South Koreans built a similar weapon, the K11, which was likewise cancelled. The Chinese, meanwhile, came up with the QTS-11, which tries to solve these issues by making the grenade launcher portion a single-shot bolt-action weapon with less electronics in the warheard. It remains to be seen if this approach is at all more practical, because its still expensive hardware of questionable efficacy.		But nobody out-riches the US Army, who tried to make their own combi-gun called the [[meme\|OICW]]YDT, combining a crummier version of an M4 carbine bolted to a computerized laser-ranged airbursting grenade launcher. The smart grenades for this thing cost more EACH than the gun it was combo-ed with. The whole thing weighed about 30 pounds and was as easy to carry as a similarly heavy sack of dog food. Eventually the combi-gun idea part of the whole deal was scrapped and the smart grenades were tested alone as the XM25 before being dropped for being too expensive and not reliable enough. The South Koreans built a similar weapon, the K11, which was likewise cancelled. The Chinese, meanwhile, came up with the QTS-11, which tries to solve these issues by making the grenade launcher portion a single-shot bolt-action weapon with less electronics in the warheard. It remains to be seen if this approach is at all more practical, because its still expensive hardware of questionable efficacy.

	==See Also==		==See Also==

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	Generally speaking, despite obvious foreknowledge of underbarrel grenade launchers and other such equipment, combi-weapons in the modern sense were first developed during the [[Great Crusade]] in an effort to improve the firepower of Astartes wearing [[Terminator]] armour because a single [[Bolter]] was just not enough. So the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] started by simply slapping two Bolters together, creating the Combi-Bolter and it snowballed from there. Those weapons were just [[awesome]] enough that their use spread from Terminator units to the entirety of the Space Marine Legions and beyond. The Combi-Bolter was later upgraded further to the purpose-built Storm Bolter (while the traitors got stuck with the older variant), but the other combi-weapons remain much the same as they were back then, combining the 'take-all-comers' flexibility of a good Bolter with the extra punch of a secondary weapon.		Generally speaking, despite obvious foreknowledge of underbarrel grenade launchers and other such equipment, combi-weapons in the modern sense were first developed during the [[Great Crusade]] in an effort to improve the firepower of Astartes wearing [[Terminator]] armour because a single [[Bolter]] was just not enough. So the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] started by simply slapping two Bolters together, creating the Combi-Bolter and it snowballed from there. Those weapons were just [[awesome]] enough that their use spread from Terminator units to the entirety of the Space Marine Legions and beyond. The Combi-Bolter was later upgraded further to the purpose-built Storm Bolter (while the traitors got stuck with the older variant), but the other combi-weapons remain much the same as they were back then, combining the 'take-all-comers' flexibility of a good Bolter with the extra punch of a secondary weapon.

	Combi-weapons involving [[bolters]] tend to get a bit confusing and weirdly designed, while usually they are the sensible under-slung attachment, or the bolter itself being the underside weapon ~~(or alternatively~~ the attached to the topside instead). So basically you can have a full-auto explosive gyrojet machine gun with an under-slung attachment or have said explosive gyrojet machine gun ''be'' the under-slung weapon. Shockingly, the only weapon attachment that is usually under the bolter is the grenade launcher, who would have thunk it?		Combi-weapons involving [[bolters]] tend to get a bit confusing and weirdly designed, while usually they are the sensible under-slung attachment, some just go with the bolter itself being the underside weapon, the weapon attached to the topside instead or alternatively just welded to the side. So basically you can have a full-auto explosive gyrojet machine gun with an under-slung attachment or have said explosive gyrojet machine gun ''be'' the under-slung weapon. Shockingly, the only weapon attachment that is usually under the bolter is the grenade launcher, who would have thunk it?

	===Magna-Needle Mk.X Pattern Pistol===		===Magna-Needle Mk.X Pattern Pistol===
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	It was used by the Space Marine Legions during the [[Great Crusade]]. However, it has been replaced by the [[Storm Bolter]] among the Imperium, but it still sees some use here and there due to most Astartes and the [[Adeptus Mechanicus\|Mechanicus]] keeping some around as relics. But it is still mainly used by [[Chaos Space Marines]], more specifically by [[Bike_Squad#Chaos_Space_Marines\|the Chaos Space Marine Bike Squadrons]] where they can perform dakka in a quick and easy fashion.		It was used by the Space Marine Legions during the [[Great Crusade]]. However, it has been replaced by the [[Storm Bolter]] among the Imperium, but it still sees some use here and there due to most Astartes and the [[Adeptus Mechanicus\|Mechanicus]] keeping some around as relics. But it is still mainly used by [[Chaos Space Marines]], more specifically by [[Bike_Squad#Chaos_Space_Marines\|the Chaos Space Marine Bike Squadrons]] where they can perform dakka in a quick and easy fashion.

	Due to the fact that a Storm Bolter has twin recievers and hammers which allows for a smoother and faster fire rate, in theory, the Combi-Bolter should be inferior in almost every aspect, as you are basically firing two barrels with a split hammer. Think of it as this way, the Combi-Bolter functions similarly to a double-barrelled, magazine fed, fully automatic shotgun~~. Which~~ does sound [[awesome]] ~~granted~~.		Due to the fact that a Storm Bolter has twin recievers and hammers which allows for a smoother and faster fire rate, in theory, the Combi-Bolter should be inferior in almost every aspect, as you are basically firing two barrels with a split hammer. Think of it as this way, the Combi-Bolter functions similarly to a double-barrelled, magazine fed, fully automatic shotgun (granted that does sound pretty fucking [[awesome]]).

	Despite the differences, it is functionally identical to a Storm Bolter in 8th Edition.		Despite the differences, it is functionally identical to a Storm Bolter in 8th Edition.
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	Streumon-studio-shdw-w-combi-bolter02-games-workshop.jpg\|Dark Angels Combi-Bolter		Streumon-studio-shdw-w-combi-bolter02-games-workshop.jpg\|Dark Angels Combi-Bolter
	Streumon-studio-shdw-w-combi-bolter01-games-workshop.jpg\|Ditto		Streumon-studio-shdw-w-combi-bolter01-games-workshop.jpg\|Ditto
	File:StormBolterCataphractii.jpg\|~~Cataphractii~~ Combi-Bolter		File:StormBolterCataphractii.jpg\|Phobos Pattern Combi-Bolter
			StormBolterTartaros.jpg\|Tigris Pattern Combi-Bolter
			InfernoCombiBolterPict.jpg\|Inferno Combi-Bolter
			InfernoCombiBolter.jpg\|Ditto
			File:Seeker_Umbra-Ferrox_Combi-Bolter.jpeg.jpg\|Umbra-Ferrox Pattern Combi-Bolter used by a [[Seeker Squad\|Seeker]]
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1d4chan>Derpysaurus: Honestly, I don't think there should be one mega-gallery as it looks like a mess. I think each weapon section should have its gallery like all weapons with galleries on this wiki. So if I want to look at more Combi-Flamers, I don't have to scroll all the way down.

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Honestly, I don't think there should be one mega-gallery as it looks like a mess. I think each weapon section should have its gallery like all weapons with galleries on this wiki. So if I want to look at more Combi-Flamers, I don't have to scroll all the way down.

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 Like all Combi-Weapons in 8th edition, you can fire either/or as per normal, or shoot both at a -1 penalty. Because of its Flamer attachment, you can now autohit all enemies and defend [[Your Dudes|your dudes]] when they are being charged.
 ===Combi-Melta===
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 Like all Combi-Weapons in 8th edition, you can fire either/or as per normal, or shoot both at a -1 penalty. Because of its Melta attachment, you now have immense flexibility in the tankbusting and troopbusting compartment. Tanks and Terminators would stay the fuck out of your effective range and would make a good deterrent against charging TEQs.
 ===Combi-Grenade Launcher===
 [[File:Combi-GL.PNG|200px|right|thumb|Combi-Grenade Launcher (House Goliath)]]
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 ===Combi-Plasma===
-[[File:Rb6-54-combi-plasma.jpg|200px|right|thumb|Combi-Plasma; somehow, the bolter rounds aren't incinerated as they go through the plasma chamber.]]
+[[File:Rb6-54-combi-plasma.jpg|200px|right|thumb|Combi-Plasma]]
 The most prevalent type of combi-weapon among loyalists, combi-plasma guns are extremely useful. A popular tactic is to fire a [[plasma]] blast first, allowing the plasma to burn through whatever armor is present, then fire a bolt, which will be able to pierce the exposed flesh and explode inside the target. It is best used against MEQs, which in a Space Marine's combat tour, is a relatively common enemy to face.
 Like all Combi-Weapons in 8th edition, you can fire either/or as per normal, or shoot both at a -1 penalty. Because of its Plasma attachment, you have an extremely versatile weapon that can deal with a wide range of infantry scaling from GEQs to TEQs. However, like all plasma weapons, you can overcharge to boost its strength and damage with the added risk of it blowing up.
 ===Combi-Grav===
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 Despite being powerful and looking pretty damn sweet, this weapon was only available on the limited edition 30th anniversary [[Imperial Pattern Armour|"Imperial Space Marine"]] model, so you had to deal with eBay scalpers or learn how to convert one of your own if you want one. With Horus Heresy 2.0 turning the combi-disintegrator into a regular combi-weapon that can be taken on certain units (Nullificators and HQs, mostly), one would think that GW would include the bits necessary to see this weapon in a more modern context... [[derp|but then again, GW doesn't think like normal people]], and thus we're still waiting for combi-weapon kits for these and the grenade launchers.
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	Like all Combi-Weapons in 8th edition, you can fire either/or as per normal, or shoot both at a -1 penalty. Because of its Flamer attachment, you can now autohit all enemies and defend [[Your Dudes\|your dudes]] when they are being charged.		Like all Combi-Weapons in 8th edition, you can fire either/or as per normal, or shoot both at a -1 penalty. Because of its Flamer attachment, you can now autohit all enemies and defend [[Your Dudes\|your dudes]] when they are being charged.
	~~<gallery>~~
	~~image:SternguardCombiFlamer.jpg\|<center>Sternguard Issue</center>~~
	~~image:BloodAngelsCombiFlamer.jpg\|<center>Blood Angels Sternguard</center>~~
	~~</gallery>~~

	===Combi-Melta===		===Combi-Melta===
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	Like all Combi-Weapons in 8th edition, you can fire either/or as per normal, or shoot both at a -1 penalty. Because of its Melta attachment, you now have immense flexibility in the tankbusting and troopbusting compartment. Tanks and Terminators would stay the fuck out of your effective range and would make a good deterrent against charging TEQs.		Like all Combi-Weapons in 8th edition, you can fire either/or as per normal, or shoot both at a -1 penalty. Because of its Melta attachment, you now have immense flexibility in the tankbusting and troopbusting compartment. Tanks and Terminators would stay the fuck out of your effective range and would make a good deterrent against charging TEQs.
	~~<gallery>~~
	~~image:SternguardCombiMelta.jpg\|<center>Sternguard Issue</center>~~
	~~SternguardCombiMeltaModel.jpg\|<center>Ultramarines Sternguard</center>~~
	~~</gallery>~~

	===Combi-Grenade Launcher===		===Combi-Grenade Launcher===
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	Like all Combi-Weapons in 8th edition, you can fire either/or as per normal, or shoot both at a -1 penalty. Because of its Plasma attachment, you have an extremely versatile weapon that can deal with a wide range of infantry scaling from GEQs to TEQs. However, like all plasma weapons, you can overcharge to boost its strength and damage with the added risk of it blowing up.		Like all Combi-Weapons in 8th edition, you can fire either/or as per normal, or shoot both at a -1 penalty. Because of its Plasma attachment, you have an extremely versatile weapon that can deal with a wide range of infantry scaling from GEQs to TEQs. However, like all plasma weapons, you can overcharge to boost its strength and damage with the added risk of it blowing up.
	~~<gallery>~~
	~~image:SternguardCombiPlasma.jpg\|<center>Sternguard Issue</center>~~
	~~DevastatorCombiPlasma.jpg\|<center>Devastator Sergeant</center>~~
	~~</gallery>~~

	===Combi-Grav===		===Combi-Grav===
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	CassiusCombiFlamer.jpg\|<center>''[[Ortan Cassius\|Cassius]]'s''</center>		CassiusCombiFlamer.jpg\|<center>''[[Ortan Cassius\|Cassius]]'s''</center>
	HeresyCombiFlamer.jpg\|<center>Legion</center>		HeresyCombiFlamer.jpg\|<center>Legion</center>
			image:SternguardCombiFlamer.jpg\|<center>Sternguard Issue</center>
			image:BloodAngelsCombiFlamer.jpg\|<center>Blood Angels Sternguard</center>
			Cataphractii.jpg\|Cataphractii Terminator wielding a Combi-Flamer with [[Chain Weapon#Chainblade\|Chainblade]] attachment
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	====Combi-Melta====		====Combi-Melta====
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			image:SternguardCombiMelta.jpg\|<center>Sternguard Issue</center>
			SternguardCombiMeltaModel.jpg\|<center>Ultramarines Sternguard</center>
	BASternguardCombiMelta.jpg\|<center>Blood Angels Sternguard</center>		BASternguardCombiMelta.jpg\|<center>Blood Angels Sternguard</center>
	DeathwatchCombiMelta.jpg\|<center>Deathwatch</center>		DeathwatchCombiMelta.jpg\|<center>Deathwatch</center>
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	====Combi-Plasma====		====Combi-Plasma====
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			image:SternguardCombiPlasma.jpg\|<center>Sternguard Issue</center>
			DevastatorCombiPlasma.jpg\|<center>Devastator Sergeant</center>
	DeathwatchCombiPlasma.jpg\|<center>Deathwatch</center>		DeathwatchCombiPlasma.jpg\|<center>Deathwatch</center>
	AzraelCombiPlasma.jpg\|<center>''[[Azrael]]'s''</center>		AzraelCombiPlasma.jpg\|<center>''[[Azrael]]'s''</center>
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	Streumon-studio-shdw-w-combi-bolter02-games-workshop.jpg\|Dark Angels Combi-Bolter		Streumon-studio-shdw-w-combi-bolter02-games-workshop.jpg\|Dark Angels Combi-Bolter
	Streumon-studio-shdw-w-combi-bolter01-games-workshop.jpg\|Ditto		Streumon-studio-shdw-w-combi-bolter01-games-workshop.jpg\|Ditto
			File:StormBolterCataphractii.jpg\|Cataphractii Combi-Bolter
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