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	To have Gaunt be that tall could be excused, he's a remarkable individual in most other respects anyway, and it would help excuse some of his martial feats. When you start having multiple characters of this height running around it just starts to feel like Abnett has never actually met a tall person.		To have Gaunt be that tall could be excused, he's a remarkable individual in most other respects anyway, and it would help excuse some of his martial feats. When you start having multiple characters of this height running around it just starts to feel like Abnett has never actually met a tall person.

	The verdict? That's up to you. Abnett's still a kickass writer, but whether or not he's always made the best choices in 40k is up to debate. Just focus on his ideas of the Space Marines demigod-like power and the Guardsmen being effective through overwhelming firepower (the normal Guardsmen in his stories seem to be more of a mop-up crew post-bombardment than human waves) and you'll be fine.		The verdict? That's up to you. Abnett's still a kickass writer, but whether or not he's always made the best choices in 40k is up to debate. Just focus on his ideas of the Space Marines demigod-like power and the Guardsmen being effective through overwhelming firepower (the normal Guardsmen in his stories seem to be more of a mop-up crew post-bombardment than human waves) and you'll be fine. It should be mentioned that Abnett was the first HH writer to have a battle scene that had nothing to do with Space Marines in "Legion", a really excellent one involving the main Imperial Army regiment of that book vs a bunch of renegade lizard-worshiping cultists resisting Compliance.

	++ To add to the back and forth of that infamous poison dart debate, a marine, chaos or otherwise, has inhuman reactions, toxicity resistance, and speed. The narrative's asking for multiple 100-to-1 shots. This is just as implausible as a marine being hit by a half dozen las-shots to the face in perfect synchronicity. It will forever be a hot potato to debate, but did a great deal to diminish the fear level of traitor astartes.		++ To add to the back and forth of that infamous poison dart debate, a marine, chaos or otherwise, has inhuman reactions, toxicity resistance, and speed. The narrative's asking for multiple 100-to-1 shots. This is just as implausible as a marine being hit by a half dozen las-shots to the face in perfect synchronicity. It will forever be a hot potato to debate, but did a great deal to diminish the fear level of traitor astartes.

1d4chan>Gilten: /* Not to Say He's Perfect */ You need to explain futher more if you want to add something. And no, there is no "chaos" custodes. Their mind were psychically break, that's all.

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Not to Say He's Perfect: You need to explain futher more if you want to add something. And no, there is no "chaos" custodes. Their mind were psychically break, that's all.

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	++ To add to the back and forth of that infamous poison dart debate, a marine, chaos or otherwise, has inhuman reactions, toxicity resistance, and speed. The narrative's asking for multiple 100-to-1 shots. This is just as implausible as a marine being hit by a half dozen las-shots to the face in perfect synchronicity. It will forever be a hot potato to debate, but did a great deal to diminish the fear level of traitor astartes.		++ To add to the back and forth of that infamous poison dart debate, a marine, chaos or otherwise, has inhuman reactions, toxicity resistance, and speed. The narrative's asking for multiple 100-to-1 shots. This is just as implausible as a marine being hit by a half dozen las-shots to the face in perfect synchronicity. It will forever be a hot potato to debate, but did a great deal to diminish the fear level of traitor astartes.

	~~Chaos Custodes and Time Scissors. Abnett is a hack.~~

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	++ To add to the back and forth of that infamous poison dart debate, a marine, chaos or otherwise, has inhuman reactions, toxicity resistance, and speed. The narrative's asking for multiple 100-to-1 shots. This is just as implausible as a marine being hit by a half dozen las-shots to the face in perfect synchronicity. It will forever be a hot potato to debate, but did a great deal to diminish the fear level of traitor astartes.		++ To add to the back and forth of that infamous poison dart debate, a marine, chaos or otherwise, has inhuman reactions, toxicity resistance, and speed. The narrative's asking for multiple 100-to-1 shots. This is just as implausible as a marine being hit by a half dozen las-shots to the face in perfect synchronicity. It will forever be a hot potato to debate, but did a great deal to diminish the fear level of traitor astartes.

			Chaos Custodes and Time Scissors. Abnett is a hack.

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81.128.176.130 at 00:02, 28 December 2022

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	Abnett has written some fantastic sci-fi, true, but recently there have been a lot of grumblings on /tg/ about the changes he's made to the Horus Heresy fluff. A lot of fa/tg/uys feel that additions such as the Perpetuals, the Cabal, and Enuncia were shoehorned into 40k fluff and don't belong, or at the very least come off as (comparatively) clunky. The change of Ollanius Pius from a badass regular guardsman to an immortal Perpetual has received a mixed response, and a lot of people felt the addition of the Alpha Legion's subplot with the Cabal (You guys gotta' help Chaos to destroy Chaos or else the Emperor will become a god and by the way humanity has to go extinct too sorry guys) was retarded and poorly thought out. Y'know, since the Emperor is anti-Chaos and because Chaos was afraid of humanity since humanity was the only thing that could defeat Chaos. Stupid xenos. On the other hand the Cabal came off a lot more as wanting to have their own empires return than wanting to destroy Chaos so that explains it. Also, Unremembered Empire is generally agreed to be a shit burrito, but much of that was the result of Abnett trying to tie together a long line of shit produced over the course of the Horus Heresy series. Also, he's the one at least partly responsible for unleashing the veritable [[skub]][[rage\|storm]] that is [[Erda]], and consequently creating more skub than all the previous stuff mentioned ''combined''. Make of that what you will. A subplot and character so dumb it, at least partially, reduces the overall guilt on [[Erebus\|fucking Erebus]] on ruining everything. We can only say that when he fucks something up, he certainly does it in the most awful ways possible. That's got to count for something...right?		Abnett has written some fantastic sci-fi, true, but recently there have been a lot of grumblings on /tg/ about the changes he's made to the Horus Heresy fluff. A lot of fa/tg/uys feel that additions such as the Perpetuals, the Cabal, and Enuncia were shoehorned into 40k fluff and don't belong, or at the very least come off as (comparatively) clunky. The change of Ollanius Pius from a badass regular guardsman to an immortal Perpetual has received a mixed response, and a lot of people felt the addition of the Alpha Legion's subplot with the Cabal (You guys gotta' help Chaos to destroy Chaos or else the Emperor will become a god and by the way humanity has to go extinct too sorry guys) was retarded and poorly thought out. Y'know, since the Emperor is anti-Chaos and because Chaos was afraid of humanity since humanity was the only thing that could defeat Chaos. Stupid xenos. On the other hand the Cabal came off a lot more as wanting to have their own empires return than wanting to destroy Chaos so that explains it. Also, Unremembered Empire is generally agreed to be a shit burrito, but much of that was the result of Abnett trying to tie together a long line of shit produced over the course of the Horus Heresy series. Also, he's the one at least partly responsible for unleashing the veritable [[skub]][[rage\|storm]] that is [[Erda]], and consequently creating more skub than all the previous stuff mentioned ''combined''. Make of that what you will. A subplot and character so dumb it, at least partially, reduces the overall guilt on [[Erebus\|fucking Erebus]] on ruining everything. We can only say that when he fucks something up, he certainly does it in the most awful ways possible. That's got to count for something...right?

	His Gaunt's Ghosts series is another victim of obscene reasoning, be it their ability to wear hobbit cloaks that make them so sneaky they cannot be found with Auspex, Chaos Space Marines falling to crossbow darts (although, to be fair, the darts were also poisoned, it took turning the marine's entire face into a dart pincushion to kill him, and his face was focused on as his only weak point due to him not wearing a helmet)++, or simply wearing more plot armour than Batman. His love for the colour ochre was worrying, pre-dating Tau fashionistas. Perhaps his worst sin is obsessing with pretty mary sues whose gorgeous looks prevent execution, despite the chapter prior saying they had just died (I'm looking at you Beaquin who died... but didn't, and Mersadie who was killed by that daemon... but ~~didn~~'t). Sometimes the women of the Ghosts read like Baywatch in Camo. He also seems to enjoy putting female characters in tight black bodygloves, whatever you’d like to read into that (this is an extremely common aspect to Abnett's books - female characters are either beholden to the manly hero, or sex objects, or both, kind of the polar opposite of ADB). Related to this, he has a bit of a thing for characters being very specifically copper-skinned, but that's more harmless recycling.		His Gaunt's Ghosts series is another victim of obscene reasoning, be it their ability to wear hobbit cloaks that make them so sneaky they cannot be found with Auspex, Chaos Space Marines falling to crossbow darts (although, to be fair, the darts were also poisoned, it took turning the marine's entire face into a dart pincushion to kill him, and his face was focused on as his only weak point due to him not wearing a helmet)++, or simply wearing more plot armour than Batman. His love for the colour ochre was worrying, pre-dating Tau fashionistas. Perhaps his worst sin is obsessing with pretty mary sues whose gorgeous looks prevent execution, despite the chapter prior saying they had just died (I'm looking at you Beaquin who died... but didn't, and Mersadie who was killed by that daemon... but wasn't). Sometimes the women of the Ghosts read like Baywatch in Camo. He also seems to enjoy putting female characters in tight black bodygloves, whatever you’d like to read into that (this is an extremely common aspect to Abnett's books - female characters are either beholden to the manly hero, or sex objects, or both, kind of the polar opposite of ADB). Related to this, he has a bit of a thing for characters being very specifically copper-skinned, but that's more harmless recycling.

	Abnett also has a big problem with endings. More often than not, his books will end with a large explosion and then a one page wrap-up. This is especially noticeable in his earlier Ghosts books, which trend towards the shorter side, culminating in a ridiculous number of plot threads in Sabbat Martyr being resolved in the span of about twenty pages. Also rears its ugly head in Legion, which is essentially a book worth of build-up to a single paragraph. He has a bad habit of occasionally retconning earlier books in a series for the sake of narrative, like when Merrt shows up with a new face three full novels after being killed (and avenged). A particularly glaring example is forgetting that Kolea’s youngest child was male (this was "fixed" with a massive tweeeest in the latest couple of books) and writing them as a girl in later books, apparently because little girls are creepier. Still, most of these changes are positive, so it’s not a big deal.		Abnett also has a big problem with endings. More often than not, his books will end with a large explosion and then a one page wrap-up. This is especially noticeable in his earlier Ghosts books, which trend towards the shorter side, culminating in a ridiculous number of plot threads in Sabbat Martyr being resolved in the span of about twenty pages. Also rears its ugly head in Legion, which is essentially a book worth of build-up to a single paragraph. He has a bad habit of occasionally retconning earlier books in a series for the sake of narrative, like when Merrt shows up with a new face three full novels after being killed (and avenged). A particularly glaring example is forgetting that Kolea’s youngest child was male (this was "fixed" with a massive tweeeest in the latest couple of books) and writing them as a girl in later books, apparently because little girls are creepier. Still, most of these changes are positive, so it’s not a big deal.

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	He wrote "I Am Slaughter" for the Beast Arises series. Which while a good book, did not have Orks until the last couple of chapters. And even then, they didn't do anything except show up. You can argue that their attack moon was the entire plot of the book, but who wants to read a book where the main antagonist is the gravitational pull of an artificial moon?		He wrote "I Am Slaughter" for the Beast Arises series. Which while a good book, did not have Orks until the last couple of chapters. And even then, they didn't do anything except show up. You can argue that their attack moon was the entire plot of the book, but who wants to read a book where the main antagonist is the gravitational pull of an artificial moon?

	Another, albeit minor, issue, is that he seems to REALLY struggle with physical proportions. In "Ghostmaker" he flat out states that Gaunt is 220 centimeters tall (7 feet 2 inches). This puts Gaunt in space marine territory, and would make him incredibly, remarkably tall for a normal human. This could perhaps be excused, if not for the fact that other human characters are described as being even taller than Gaunt himself. Again in "Ghostmaker", an officer of another regiment is described as being 2.5 meters ( 8 feet 2 inches (!!!??)) tall. This is the upper limit of space marine height according to most lore, and far taller than any human known in the real world. A number of other characters of unspecified height are also variously described as being taller than Gaunt. This becomes more than a bit ridiculous, as while there are known examples of people growing to above 220 cm in height, only about ~150 people in recent history are or have been taller than that. That's 150 people out of a population of eight billion, and that's not even accounting for the fact that that number includes people who died more than a hundred years ago.		Another, albeit minor, issue, is that he seems to REALLY struggle with physical proportions. In "Ghostmaker" he flat out states that Gaunt is 220 centimeters tall (7 feet 2 inches). This puts Gaunt in space marine territory, and would make him incredibly, remarkably tall for a normal human. This could perhaps be excused, if not for the fact that other human characters are described as being even taller than Gaunt himself. Again in "Ghostmaker", an officer of another regiment is described as being 2.5 meters ( 8 feet 2 inches (!!!??)) tall. This is the upper limit of space marine height according to most lore, and far taller than almost any human known in the real world. A number of other characters of unspecified height are also variously described as being taller than Gaunt. This becomes more than a bit ridiculous, as while there are known examples of people growing to above 220 cm in height, only about ~150 people in recent history are or have been taller than that. That's 150 people out of a population of eight billion, and that's not even accounting for the fact that that number includes people who died more than a hundred years ago.
	To have Gaunt be that tall could be excused, he's a remarkable individual in most other respects anyway, and it would help excuse some of his martial feats. When you start having multiple characters of this height running around it just starts to feel like Abnett has never actually met a tall person.		To have Gaunt be that tall could be excused, he's a remarkable individual in most other respects anyway, and it would help excuse some of his martial feats. When you start having multiple characters of this height running around it just starts to feel like Abnett has never actually met a tall person.

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	He wrote "I Am Slaughter" for the Beast Arises series. Which while a good book, did not have Orks until the last couple of chapters. And even then, they didn't do anything except show up. You can argue that their attack moon was the entire plot of the book, but who wants to read a book where the main antagonist is the gravitational pull of an artificial moon?		He wrote "I Am Slaughter" for the Beast Arises series. Which while a good book, did not have Orks until the last couple of chapters. And even then, they didn't do anything except show up. You can argue that their attack moon was the entire plot of the book, but who wants to read a book where the main antagonist is the gravitational pull of an artificial moon?

			Another, albeit minor, issue, is that he seems to REALLY struggle with physical proportions. In "Ghostmaker" he flat out states that Gaunt is 220 centimeters tall (7 feet 2 inches). This puts Gaunt in space marine territory, and would make him incredibly, remarkably tall for a normal human. This could perhaps be excused, if not for the fact that other human characters are described as being even taller than Gaunt himself. Again in "Ghostmaker", an officer of another regiment is described as being 2.5 meters ( 8 feet 2 inches (!!!??)) tall. This is the upper limit of space marine height according to most lore, and far taller than any human known in the real world. A number of other characters of unspecified height are also variously described as being taller than Gaunt. This becomes more than a bit ridiculous, as while there are known examples of people growing to above 220 cm in height, only about ~150 people in recent history are or have been taller than that. That's 150 people out of a population of eight billion, and that's not even accounting for the fact that that number includes people who died more than a hundred years ago.
			To have Gaunt be that tall could be excused, he's a remarkable individual in most other respects anyway, and it would help excuse some of his martial feats. When you start having multiple characters of this height running around it just starts to feel like Abnett has never actually met a tall person.

	The verdict? That's up to you. Abnett's still a kickass writer, but whether or not he's always made the best choices in 40k is up to debate. Just focus on his ideas of the Space Marines demigod-like power and the Guardsmen being effective through overwhelming firepower (the normal Guardsmen in his stories seem to be more of a mop-up crew post-bombardment than human waves) and you'll be fine.		The verdict? That's up to you. Abnett's still a kickass writer, but whether or not he's always made the best choices in 40k is up to debate. Just focus on his ideas of the Space Marines demigod-like power and the Guardsmen being effective through overwhelming firepower (the normal Guardsmen in his stories seem to be more of a mop-up crew post-bombardment than human waves) and you'll be fine.

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	It should be noted that his cosmic Marvel comics with probably-best friend Andy Lanning are not at all shit, and are in fact some of the greatest modern Marvel comics. ''The Thanos Imperative'' stands out amongst them, and is worth a read even if you have no familiarity with Cosmic Marvel or the Marvel Universe at all. D'n'A also wrote the reboot of ''Guardians of the Galaxy'', which now has a movie. A movie that is pretty much loved universally, and considered one of, if not THE best in the MCU (which you may have heard of). He also helped write the script for the new Aliens Isolation game just so you know.		It should be noted that his cosmic Marvel comics with probably-best friend Andy Lanning are not at all shit, and are in fact some of the greatest modern Marvel comics. ''The Thanos Imperative'' stands out amongst them, and is worth a read even if you have no familiarity with Cosmic Marvel or the Marvel Universe at all. D'n'A also wrote the reboot of ''Guardians of the Galaxy'', which now has a movie. A movie that is pretty much loved universally, and considered one of, if not THE best in the MCU (which you may have heard of). He also helped write the script for the new Aliens Isolation game just so you know.

	He also wrote a [[Judge Dredd]] comic called Insurrection, <s>not sure on quality but</s> it's pretty awesome and the villains look like Necrons (but are just SJS forces) on the cover. It's military sci-fi with power armored Mega City 1 Spess Mehreens going Exterminatus-lite on what essentially amount to the heretics of that universe which he wrote based on the 2000AD people asking for a story "like the stuff you do for the other guys". Also there's a hostile alien race. It should be noted that the 'heretic' equivalents are portrayed as the good guys, in a change for not just its 40k inspiration but 2000AD's usual conventions as well. Go on, just read it.		He also wrote a [[Judge Dredd]] comic called Insurrection, <s>not sure on quality but</s> it's pretty awesome and the villains look like Necrons (but are just SJS forces) on the cover. It's military sci-fi with power armored Mega City 1 Spess Mehreens going Exterminatus-lite on what essentially amount to the heretics of that universe which he wrote based on the 2000AD people asking for a story "like the stuff you do for the other guys". Also there's a hostile alien race. It should be noted that the 'heretic' equivalents are portrayed as the good guys, in a change for not just its 40k inspiration but 2000AD's usual conventions as well. Go on, just read it, it even has the artist from the old WHM Bloodquest series.

	[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta7pEier2MQ He's doing the writing] for [[Warhammer 40K: Darktide]], Praise the Emperor		[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta7pEier2MQ He's doing the writing] for [[Warhammer 40K: Darktide]], Praise the Emperor

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	It should be noted that his cosmic Marvel comics with probably-best friend Andy Lanning are not at all shit, and are in fact some of the greatest modern Marvel comics. ''The Thanos Imperative'' stands out amongst them, and is worth a read even if you have no familiarity with Cosmic Marvel or the Marvel Universe at all. D'n'A also wrote the reboot of ''Guardians of the Galaxy'', which now has a movie. A movie that is pretty much loved universally, and considered one of, if not THE best in the MCU (which you may have heard of). He also helped write the script for the new Aliens Isolation game just so you know.		It should be noted that his cosmic Marvel comics with probably-best friend Andy Lanning are not at all shit, and are in fact some of the greatest modern Marvel comics. ''The Thanos Imperative'' stands out amongst them, and is worth a read even if you have no familiarity with Cosmic Marvel or the Marvel Universe at all. D'n'A also wrote the reboot of ''Guardians of the Galaxy'', which now has a movie. A movie that is pretty much loved universally, and considered one of, if not THE best in the MCU (which you may have heard of). He also helped write the script for the new Aliens Isolation game just so you know.

	He also wrote a [[Judge Dredd]] comic called Insurrection, <s>not sure on quality but</s> it's pretty awesome and the villains look like Necrons (but are just SJS forces) on the cover. It's military sci-fi with power armored Mega City 1 Spess Mehreens going Exterminatus-lite on what essentially amount to the heretics of that universe which he wrote based on the 2000AD people asking for a story "like the stuff you do for the other guys". Also there's a hostile alien race. It should be noted that the 'heretic' equivalents are portrayed as the good guys, in a change for not just its 40k inspiration but 2000AD's usual conventions as well.		He also wrote a [[Judge Dredd]] comic called Insurrection, <s>not sure on quality but</s> it's pretty awesome and the villains look like Necrons (but are just SJS forces) on the cover. It's military sci-fi with power armored Mega City 1 Spess Mehreens going Exterminatus-lite on what essentially amount to the heretics of that universe which he wrote based on the 2000AD people asking for a story "like the stuff you do for the other guys". Also there's a hostile alien race. It should be noted that the 'heretic' equivalents are portrayed as the good guys, in a change for not just its 40k inspiration but 2000AD's usual conventions as well. Go on, just read it.

	[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta7pEier2MQ He's doing the writing] for [[Warhammer 40K: Darktide]], Praise the Emperor		[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta7pEier2MQ He's doing the writing] for [[Warhammer 40K: Darktide]], Praise the Emperor