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	It's important to note that the normal Company Captains are simply referred to as "Master" and there is no requirement that they even be members of the Inner Circle at all. There are instances in the novels where Company Masters have been outranked by Deathwing Sergeants and Interrogator Chaplains when matters involving the Fallen have arisen, such is the way that the Inner Circle operates. This is also particularly true with the addition of Primaris Marines to the Chapter while the Unforgiven attempt to assess their loyalties, and only one example seems to have made it into the Inner Circle so far (to be fair, he was an established member of the Chapter to underwent the Rubicon Primaris rather than a fresh face).		It's important to note that the normal Company Captains are simply referred to as "Master" and there is no requirement that they even be members of the Inner Circle at all. There are instances in the novels where Company Masters have been outranked by Deathwing Sergeants and Interrogator Chaplains when matters involving the Fallen have arisen, such is the way that the Inner Circle operates. This is also particularly true with the addition of Primaris Marines to the Chapter while the Unforgiven attempt to assess their loyalties, and only one example seems to have made it into the Inner Circle so far (to be fair, he was an established member of the Chapter to underwent the Rubicon Primaris rather than a fresh face).

	Company Masters may also have different responsibilities to their equivalent codex Captains, and this is often irrespective of their position within the Inner Circle.		Company Masters may also have different responsibilities to their equivalent codex Captains, and this is often irrespective of their position within the Inner Circle.

	For instance: rather than being the Master of the Marches and overseeing the logistical deployment of the Chapters assets, the Captain of the 5th Company is instead the '''Master of the Unseen Ritual''', whose purpose is to collate knowledge of the ancient Orders of Caliban. While this sounds like somewhat a trivial task better left to a librarian, it must be remembered that even at the Legion's height, there were hundreds of secret orders of the ''Hekatonystika'' each with their own specialist fragments of lore, ritual, and experience in different aspects of warfare and against opponents both living and since extinct, that was also kept secret from non-members. Making it a much larger and deeper role than it seems and presumably makes the Captain of the 5th the go-to guy for information on obscure or esoteric subjects.		For instance: rather than being the Master of the Marches and overseeing the logistical deployment of the Chapters assets, the Captain of the 5th Company is instead the '''Master of the Unseen Ritual''', whose purpose is to collate knowledge of the ancient Orders of Caliban. While this sounds like somewhat a trivial task better left to a librarian, it must be remembered that even at the Legion's height, there were hundreds of secret orders of the ''Hekatonystika'' each with their own specialist fragments of lore, ritual, and experience in different aspects of warfare and against opponents both living and since extinct, that was also kept secret from non-members. Making it a much larger and deeper role than it seems and presumably makes the Captain of the 5th the go-to guy for information on obscure or esoteric subjects.

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Other Masters

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	For instance: rather than being the Master of the Marches and overseeing the logistical deployment of the Chapters assets, the Captain of the 5th Company is instead the '''Master of the Unseen Ritual''', whose purpose is to collate knowledge of the ancient Orders of Caliban. While this sounds like somewhat a trivial task better left to a librarian, it must be remembered that even at the Legion's height, there were hundreds of secret orders of the ''Hekatonystika'' each with their own specialist fragments of lore, ritual, and experience in different aspects of warfare and against opponents both living and since extinct, that was also kept secret from non-members. Making it a much larger and deeper role than it seems and presumably makes the Captain of the 5th the go-to guy for information on obscure or esoteric subjects.		For instance: rather than being the Master of the Marches and overseeing the logistical deployment of the Chapters assets, the Captain of the 5th Company is instead the '''Master of the Unseen Ritual''', whose purpose is to collate knowledge of the ancient Orders of Caliban. While this sounds like somewhat a trivial task better left to a librarian, it must be remembered that even at the Legion's height, there were hundreds of secret orders of the ''Hekatonystika'' each with their own specialist fragments of lore, ritual, and experience in different aspects of warfare and against opponents both living and since extinct, that was also kept secret from non-members. Making it a much larger and deeper role than it seems and presumably makes the Captain of the 5th the go-to guy for information on obscure or esoteric subjects.

	Similarly, instead of a Chief Victualler overseeing the serfs, the Captain of the 7th is styled '''Master of the Watchers'''. Their duty is to oversee a [[Alpha Legion\|network of thousands of mortal sleeper agents all over the Imperium]], who feed back sightings or rumours of the Fallen, often under heavy hypno-indoctrination so that they are not even aware of what they are doing and in such a way that it seems innocuous to outsiders. This is how the Chapter is able to perpetuate their Hunt without Space Marines being directly present. It is interesting that this role is assigned irrespective of the Captain's own ~~mebership~~ in the Inner Circle and knowledge of the Fallen. Therefore there may be instances where the Captain must rely on his companions and subordinates to appropriately act upon the intelligence gathered.		Similarly, instead of a Chief Victualler overseeing the serfs, the Captain of the 7th is styled '''Master of the Watchers'''. Their duty is to oversee a [[Alpha Legion\|network of thousands of mortal sleeper agents all over the Imperium]], who feed back sightings or rumours of the Fallen, often under heavy hypno-indoctrination so that they are not even aware of what they are doing and in such a way that it seems innocuous to outsiders. This is how the Chapter is able to perpetuate their Hunt without Space Marines being directly present. It is interesting that this role is assigned irrespective of the Captain's own membership in the Inner Circle and knowledge of the Fallen. Therefore there may be instances where the Captain must rely on his companions and subordinates to appropriately act upon the intelligence gathered, in such a way as to not compromise the secret within the Chapter itself.

	The head of the [[Techmarines]] is also ranked as a "Master", yet not Grand Master, not least because of the dual loyalties of the [[Techmarines]] to the Priesthood of Mars which specifically disqualifies him from the role, but because he is physically hooked up into [[The Rock]] and cannot participate in the Hunt to any appreciable degree and the less know the better.		The head of the [[Techmarines]] is also ranked as a "Master", yet not Grand Master, not least because of the dual loyalties of the [[Techmarines]] to the Priesthood of Mars which specifically disqualifies him from the role, but because he is physically hooked up into [[The Rock]] and cannot participate in the Hunt to any appreciable degree and the less know the better.

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Overview

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	Contrary to most Chapters which are led by Chapter Masters, the Dark Angels and their Successors maintain close ties, bound by an Inner Circle of Grand Masters sworn to hunt down the <s>[[Fallen Angels\|Fallen]]</s> FOUL TRAITORS AND HERETICS FROM 9 TRAITOR LEGIONS THAT HAVE NO CONNECTIONS TO THE FIRST LEGION WHATSOEVER!		Contrary to most Chapters which are led by Chapter Masters, the Dark Angels and their Successors maintain close ties, bound by an Inner Circle of Grand Masters sworn to hunt down the <s>[[Fallen Angels\|Fallen]]</s> FOUL TRAITORS AND HERETICS FROM 9 TRAITOR LEGIONS THAT HAVE NO CONNECTIONS TO THE FIRST LEGION WHATSOEVER!

	Unforgiven Grand Masters are often given leadership over specific duties and organizations, The Dark Angels themselves maintain six Grand Masters: '''[[Belial]]''' of the [[Deathwing]], '''[[Sammael]]''' of the [[Ravenwing]], '''[[Ezekiel]]''' of the Librarius, '''Sapphon''' of Chaplains, '''Razaek''' of the Apothecarion, and '''Nephalor''' of the Fleet.		Unforgiven Grand Masters are often given leadership over specific duties and organizations, The Dark Angels themselves maintain six Grand Masters:
			*'''[[Belial]]''' of the [[Deathwing]]
			*'''[[Sammael]]''' of the [[Ravenwing]]
			*'''[[Ezekiel]]''' of the Librarius
			*'''Sapphon''' of Chaplains
			*'''Razaek''' of the Apothecarion, and
			*'''Nephalor''' of the Fleet.

	Other Unforgiven successor chapters also use the rank of "GRAND Master" to refer to the commanders of their 1st and 2nd companies which mirror the Deathwing and Ravenwing in function and mission, though it is uncertain how they award the position to other individuals within their own hierarchies, though it would be a safe bet to assume they follow the Dark Angels Chapter closely.		Other Unforgiven successor chapters also use the rank of "GRAND Master" to refer to the commanders of their 1st and 2nd companies which mirror the Deathwing and Ravenwing in function and mission, though it is uncertain how they award the position to other individuals within their own hierarchies, though it would be a safe bet to assume they follow the Dark Angels Chapter closely.

			They should also not be confused with the similarly named [[Grey Knights]] counterpart also known as [[Grand Master]], though Azrael himself continuously ''([[troll\|and intentionally]])'' confused the rank of [[Kaldor Draigo]] to make him out as his inferior.

			===Other Masters===
	It's important to note that the normal Company Captains are simply referred to as "Master" and there is no requirement that they even be members of the Inner Circle at all. There are instances in the novels where Company Masters have been outranked by Deathwing Sergeants and Interrogator Chaplains when matters involving the Fallen have arisen, such is the way that the Inner Circle operates. This is also particularly true with the addition of Primaris Marines to the Chapter while the Unforgiven attempt to assess their loyalties, and only one example seems to have made it into the Inner Circle so far (to be fair, he was an established member of the Chapter to underwent the Rubicon Primaris rather than a fresh face).		It's important to note that the normal Company Captains are simply referred to as "Master" and there is no requirement that they even be members of the Inner Circle at all. There are instances in the novels where Company Masters have been outranked by Deathwing Sergeants and Interrogator Chaplains when matters involving the Fallen have arisen, such is the way that the Inner Circle operates. This is also particularly true with the addition of Primaris Marines to the Chapter while the Unforgiven attempt to assess their loyalties, and only one example seems to have made it into the Inner Circle so far (to be fair, he was an established member of the Chapter to underwent the Rubicon Primaris rather than a fresh face).

	~~The head of the [[Techmarines]] is~~ also ~~only a "Master", not least because of the dual loyalties of the [[Techmarines]]~~ to ~~the Priesthood of Mars which specifically disqualifies him from the role~~, ~~but because he~~ is ~~physically hooked up into [[The Rock]] and cannot participate in the Hunt to any appreciable degree and the less know~~ the ~~better~~.		Company Masters may also have different responsibilities to their equivalent codex Captains, and this is often irrespective of their position within the Inner Circle.

	~~They should~~ also not be ~~confused with~~ the ~~similarly named~~ [[~~Grey Knights~~]] ~~counterpart~~ also ~~known~~ as [[Grand Master]], ~~though Azrael himself continuously ''(~~[[~~troll\|and intentionally~~]]~~)'' confused~~ the ~~rank~~ of [[~~Kaldor Draigo~~]] to ~~make him out as his inferior~~.		For instance: rather than being the Master of the Marches and overseeing the logistical deployment of the Chapters assets, the Captain of the 5th Company is instead the '''Master of the Unseen Ritual''', whose purpose is to collate knowledge of the ancient Orders of Caliban. While this sounds like somewhat a trivial task better left to a librarian, it must be remembered that even at the Legion's height, there were hundreds of secret orders of the ''Hekatonystika'' each with their own specialist fragments of lore, ritual, and experience in different aspects of warfare and against opponents both living and since extinct, that was also kept secret from non-members. Making it a much larger and deeper role than it seems and presumably makes the Captain of the 5th the go-to guy for information on obscure or esoteric subjects.

			Similarly, instead of a Chief Victualler overseeing the serfs, the Captain of the 7th is styled '''Master of the Watchers'''. Their duty is to oversee a [[Alpha Legion\|network of thousands of mortal sleeper agents all over the Imperium]], who feed back sightings or rumours of the Fallen, often under heavy hypno-indoctrination so that they are not even aware of what they are doing and in such a way that it seems innocuous to outsiders. This is how the Chapter is able to perpetuate their Hunt without Space Marines being directly present. It is interesting that this role is assigned irrespective of the Captain's own mebership in the Inner Circle and knowledge of the Fallen. Therefore there may be instances where the Captain must rely on his companions and subordinates to appropriately act upon the intelligence gathered.

			The head of the [[Techmarines]] is also ranked as a "Master", yet not Grand Master, not least because of the dual loyalties of the [[Techmarines]] to the Priesthood of Mars which specifically disqualifies him from the role, but because he is physically hooked up into [[The Rock]] and cannot participate in the Hunt to any appreciable degree and the less know the better.

	==Supreme Grand Master==		==Supreme Grand Master==

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Supreme Grand Master

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	The Chapter Masters of Dark Angels successors are still only referred to as Grand Master; the title of Supreme Grand Master exists solely within the Dark Angels as the head of the entire Unforgiven. While this might sound like it can cause issues of uncertain authority when Captains hold the same title as their Chapter Master; the rank also tends to come with additional honorific titles such as "Master of Souls", "Finder of Secrets", or "Holder of the Keys" etc etc, which indicate their role within the Inner Circle. But chains of command within Space Marine Chapters are short enough that they would be able to identify their superiors easily enough even without standardized designations of rank.		The Chapter Masters of Dark Angels successors are still only referred to as Grand Master; the title of Supreme Grand Master exists solely within the Dark Angels as the head of the entire Unforgiven. While this might sound like it can cause issues of uncertain authority when Captains hold the same title as their Chapter Master; the rank also tends to come with additional honorific titles such as "Master of Souls", "Finder of Secrets", or "Holder of the Keys" etc etc, which indicate their role within the Inner Circle. But chains of command within Space Marine Chapters are short enough that they would be able to identify their superiors easily enough even without standardized designations of rank.

	Anyways, [[Azrael]] is the present Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels Chapter and he carries the honorific title of Keeper of the Truth as he is that trusted with the Chapter's most closely guarded secrets.		Anyways, [[Azrael]] is the present Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels <s>Legion</s> Chapter and he carries the honorific title of Keeper of the Truth as he is that trusted with the Chapter's most closely guarded secrets.

	{{Dark Angels}}		{{Dark Angels}}

1d4chan>MrPhantom at 12:42, 23 April 2020

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	It's important to note that the normal Company Captains are simply referred to as "Master" and there is no requirement that they even be members of the Inner Circle at all. There are instances in the novels where Company Masters have been outranked by Deathwing Sergeants and Interrogator Chaplains when matters involving the Fallen have arisen, such is the way that the Inner Circle operates. This is also particularly true with the addition of Primaris Marines to the Chapter while the Unforgiven attempt to assess their loyalties, and only one example seems to have made it into the Inner Circle so far (to be fair, he was an established member of the Chapter to underwent the Rubicon Primaris rather than a fresh face).		It's important to note that the normal Company Captains are simply referred to as "Master" and there is no requirement that they even be members of the Inner Circle at all. There are instances in the novels where Company Masters have been outranked by Deathwing Sergeants and Interrogator Chaplains when matters involving the Fallen have arisen, such is the way that the Inner Circle operates. This is also particularly true with the addition of Primaris Marines to the Chapter while the Unforgiven attempt to assess their loyalties, and only one example seems to have made it into the Inner Circle so far (to be fair, he was an established member of the Chapter to underwent the Rubicon Primaris rather than a fresh face).

	The head of the [[Techmarines]] is also only a "Master", not least because of the dual loyalties of the [[Techmarines]] to the Priesthood of Mars which specifically disqualifies him from the role, but because he is physically hooked up into [[The Rock]] and cannot participate in the Hunt to any appreciable degree.		The head of the [[Techmarines]] is also only a "Master", not least because of the dual loyalties of the [[Techmarines]] to the Priesthood of Mars which specifically disqualifies him from the role, but because he is physically hooked up into [[The Rock]] and cannot participate in the Hunt to any appreciable degree and the less know the better.

	They should also not be confused with the similarly named [[Grey Knights]] counterpart also known as [[Grand Master]], though Azrael himself continuously ''([[troll\|and intentionally]])'' confused the rank of [[Kaldor Draigo]] to make him out as his inferior.		They should also not be confused with the similarly named [[Grey Knights]] counterpart also known as [[Grand Master]], though Azrael himself continuously ''([[troll\|and intentionally]])'' confused the rank of [[Kaldor Draigo]] to make him out as his inferior.

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Overview

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	The head of the [[Techmarines]] is also only a "Master", not least because of the dual loyalties of the [[Techmarines]] to the Priesthood of Mars which specifically disqualifies him from the role, but because he is physically hooked up into [[The Rock]] and cannot participate in the Hunt to any appreciable degree.		The head of the [[Techmarines]] is also only a "Master", not least because of the dual loyalties of the [[Techmarines]] to the Priesthood of Mars which specifically disqualifies him from the role, but because he is physically hooked up into [[The Rock]] and cannot participate in the Hunt to any appreciable degree.

	They should also not be confused with the similarly named [[Grey Knights]] counterpart also known as [[Grand Master]], though Azrael himself continuously ''(and intentionally)'' confused the rank of [[Kaldor Draigo]] to make him out as his inferior.		They should also not be confused with the similarly named [[Grey Knights]] counterpart also known as [[Grand Master]], though Azrael himself continuously ''([[troll\|and intentionally]])'' confused the rank of [[Kaldor Draigo]] to make him out as his inferior.

	==Supreme Grand Master==		==Supreme Grand Master==

1d4chan>Dark Angel 2020: Undo revision 650484 by 71.220.143.20 (talk) Azrael's history is reasonably well documented

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Undo revision 650484 by 71.220.143.20 (talk) Azrael's history is reasonably well documented

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	Anyways, [[Azrael]] is the present Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels Chapter and he carries the honorific title of Keeper of the Truth as he is that trusted with the Chapter's most closely guarded secrets.		Anyways, [[Azrael]] is the present Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels Chapter and he carries the honorific title of Keeper of the Truth as he is that trusted with the Chapter's most closely guarded secrets.

	It seems unfair that only Dark Angels can command the Unforgiven, buuuut with how secretive the legion is it's entirely possible that Azrael himself isn't even from the Dark Angels Chapter but everyone just took it at his predecessor's word that "Yeah sure, this guy's totally always been in this Chapter. Yeppers."

	{{Dark Angels}}		{{Dark Angels}}

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Supreme Grand Master

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	Anyways, [[Azrael]] is the present Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels Chapter and he carries the honorific title of Keeper of the Truth as he is that trusted with the Chapter's most closely guarded secrets.		Anyways, [[Azrael]] is the present Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels Chapter and he carries the honorific title of Keeper of the Truth as he is that trusted with the Chapter's most closely guarded secrets.

			It seems unfair that only Dark Angels can command the Unforgiven, buuuut with how secretive the legion is it's entirely possible that Azrael himself isn't even from the Dark Angels Chapter but everyone just took it at his predecessor's word that "Yeah sure, this guy's totally always been in this Chapter. Yeppers."

	{{Dark Angels}}		{{Dark Angels}}