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		'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

		[[E. Gary Gygax]], designing a human-centered [[Robert Howard]] style of game, had problems with the whole notion of nonhuman PCs, to the extent [[Mary Sue\|they had abilities we don't]] and might force a world of human inferiority - in which world, many human players wouldn't play a human. Thus his rules tried to nerf them in several ways, depending on the version of D&D you were playing. [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] used the "race-as-class" system, where playing a non-human was in effect the same as playing a specific class as a human, so your demihuman abilities were very strictly defined and often not as good as the closest human counterpart. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] flat out mandated you had to have a specific [[Ability Scores]] set to be allowed to play a demihuman (but then, they also demanded the same for classes), and likewise restricted what classes those races could have, and what level they could reach in that class - in effect, the core demihumans were restricted to the [[Fighter]], [[Wizard]], [[Rogue]] and [[Cleric]] classes, and even then would cap out well before a human would. The only benefit demihumans universally got was a much simpler form of [[multiclassing]], and even with its hassling rules, dual-classing was still better because it recognized the [[Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards]] problem.

		Yes, that's right; in AD&D, humans made better [[wizard]]s than [[elf\|elves]] or [[gnome]]s, and neither [[elf\|elves]] nor their [[Half-Elf\|half-human spawn]] could be [[bard]]s.

		But the rest of D&D's designers, for better or worse, looked at what Gygax had decreed and collectively decided "Buddy, that's bullshit". As AD&D went on, new races and demihuman subraces were introduced that had broader class compatibilities and class level caps, whilst BECMI would use the [[Known World Gazetteers]] to provide rules so that demihuman PCs could properly reach for [[Mystaran Immortal\|Immortality]] alongside their human peers. Settings would introduce variant rules that modified existing demihumans, such as [[Al-Qadim]] being the first setting to let you play a [[dwarf]] [[wizard]]. [[Kits]] were invented to let demihumans at least emulate the likes of the [[druid]], [[bard]] and [[paladin]]. Then the [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowed for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else, which opened the floodgates and led to books like the [[Complete Book Series\|Complete Books of Demihumans and Humanoids]]. And then there came ''[[From The Ashes]]'', for good or for ill. So much for all that, then.

		With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this whole term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still. Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, the [[Humanity Fuck Yeah]] skiff had long floated down the Svartjet to get [[rape\|pegged]] by [[drow]].

		Still, the term does occasionally pop up; aside from the obvious nostalgia appeal, the plain truth of the matter is that "demihuman" is a simple shorthand way of referencing all of the "traditionally non-evil humanoid races" with a single word. And what fa/tg/uy is opposed to the idea of having a shorthand name to call something, really?

		[[Anime]] has resurrected "demihuman" for [[monstergirl]]s, especially for human-mammal mixes like [[kitsune]] and [[catgirl]]s. Minotaurs would probably count but since they're bigger than us, they don't usually feature.

		[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Dungeons & Dragons Races]][[Category:Monstergirls]][[Category:Gamer Slang]]

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	'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

	[[E. Gary Gygax]], designing a human-centered [[Robert Howard]] style of game, had problems with the whole notion of nonhuman PCs, to the extent [[Mary Sue\|they had abilities we don't]] and might force a world of human inferiority - in which world, many human players wouldn't play a human. Thus his rules tried to nerf them in several ways, depending on the version of D&D you were playing. [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] used the "race-as-class" system, where playing a non-human was in effect the same as playing a specific class as a human, so your demihuman abilities were very strictly defined and often not as good as the closest human counterpart. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] flat out mandated you had to have a specific [[Ability Scores]] set to be allowed to play a demihuman (but then, they also demanded the same for classes), and likewise restricted what classes those races could have, and what level they could reach in that class - in effect, the core demihumans were restricted to the [[Fighter]], [[Wizard]], [[Rogue]] and [[Cleric]] classes, and even then would cap out well before a human would. The only benefit demihumans universally got was a much simpler form of [[multiclassing]], and even with its hassling rules, dual-classing was still better because it recognized the [[Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards]] problem.

	~~Yes, that's right; in AD&D, humans made better [[wizard]]s than [[elf\|elves]] or [[gnome]]s, and neither [[elf\|elves]] nor their [[Half-Elf\|half-human spawn]] could be [[bard]]s.~~

	But the rest of D&D's designers, for better or worse, looked at what Gygax had decreed and collectively decided "Buddy, that's bullshit". As AD&D went on, new races and demihuman subraces were introduced that had broader class compatibilities and class level caps, whilst BECMI would use the [[Known World Gazetteers]] to provide rules so that demihuman PCs could properly reach for [[Mystaran Immortal\|Immortality]] alongside their human peers. Settings would introduce variant rules that modified existing demihumans, such as [[Al-Qadim]] being the first setting to let you play a [[dwarf]] [[wizard]]. [[Kits]] were invented to let demihumans at least emulate the likes of the [[druid]], [[bard]] and [[paladin]]. Then the [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowed for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else, which opened the floodgates and led to books like the [[Complete Book Series\|Complete Books of Demihumans and Humanoids]]. And then there came ''[[From The Ashes]]'', for good or for ill. So much for all that, then.

	With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this whole term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still. Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, the [[Humanity Fuck Yeah]] skiff had long floated down the Svartjet to get [[rape\|pegged]] by [[drow]].

	Still, the term does occasionally pop up; aside from the obvious nostalgia appeal, the plain truth of the matter is that "demihuman" is a simple shorthand way of referencing all of the "traditionally non-evil humanoid races" with a single word. And what fa/tg/uy is opposed to the idea of having a shorthand name to call something, really?

	[[Anime]] has resurrected "demihuman" for [[monstergirl]]s, especially for human-mammal mixes like [[kitsune]] and [[catgirl]]s. Minotaurs would probably count but since they're bigger than us, they don't usually feature.

	~~[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Dungeons & Dragons Races]][[Category:Monstergirls]][[Category:Gamer Slang]]~~

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	'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).		'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

	[[E. Gary Gygax]], designing a human-centered [[Robert Howard]] style of game, had problems with the whole notion of nonhuman PCs, to the extent [[Mary Sue\|they had abilities we don't]] and might force a world of human inferiority - in which world, many human players wouldn't play a human. Thus his rules tried to nerf them in several ways, depending on the race. [[~~Basic~~ Dungeons & Dragons]] for its ~~part imposed~~ level~~-limits~~, ~~although~~ [[~~Companion Set~~]] would ~~walk~~ that ~~back some~~. Then the [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowed for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. And then there came ''[[From The Ashes]]'', for good or for ill. So much for all that, then.		[[E. Gary Gygax]], designing a human-centered [[Robert Howard]] style of game, had problems with the whole notion of nonhuman PCs, to the extent [[Mary Sue\|they had abilities we don't]] and might force a world of human inferiority - in which world, many human players wouldn't play a human. Thus his rules tried to nerf them in several ways, depending on the version of D&D you were playing. [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] used the "race-as-class" system, where playing a non-human was in effect the same as playing a specific class as a human, so your demihuman abilities were very strictly defined and often not as good as the closest human counterpart. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] flat out mandated you had to have a specific [[Ability Scores]] set to be allowed to play a demihuman (but then, they also demanded the same for classes), and likewise restricted what classes those races could have, and what level they could reach in that class - in effect, the core demihumans were restricted to the [[Fighter]], [[Wizard]], [[Rogue]] and [[Cleric]] classes, and even then would cap out well before a human would. The only benefit demihumans universally got was a much simpler form of [[multiclassing]], and even with its hassling rules, dual-classing was still better because it recognized the [[Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards]] problem.

			Yes, that's right; in AD&D, humans made better [[wizard]]s than [[elf\|elves]] or [[gnome]]s, and neither [[elf\|elves]] nor their [[Half-Elf\|half-human spawn]] could be [[bard]]s.

			But the rest of D&D's designers, for better or worse, looked at what Gygax had decreed and collectively decided "Buddy, that's bullshit". As AD&D went on, new races and demihuman subraces were introduced that had broader class compatibilities and class level caps, whilst BECMI would use the [[Known World Gazetteers]] to provide rules so that demihuman PCs could properly reach for [[Mystaran Immortal\|Immortality]] alongside their human peers. Settings would introduce variant rules that modified existing demihumans, such as [[Al-Qadim]] being the first setting to let you play a [[dwarf]] [[wizard]]. [[Kits]] were invented to let demihumans at least emulate the likes of the [[druid]], [[bard]] and [[paladin]]. Then the [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowed for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else, which opened the floodgates and led to books like the [[Complete Book Series\|Complete Books of Demihumans and Humanoids]]. And then there came ''[[From The Ashes]]'', for good or for ill. So much for all that, then.

	With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this whole term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still. Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, the [[Humanity Fuck Yeah]] skiff had long floated down the Svartjet to get [[rape\|pegged]] by [[drow]].		With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this whole term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still. Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, the [[Humanity Fuck Yeah]] skiff had long floated down the Svartjet to get [[rape\|pegged]] by [[drow]].

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	'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).		'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

	[[E. Gary Gygax]], designing a human-centered [[Robert Howard]] style of game, had problems with the whole notion of nonhuman PCs, to the extent [[Mary Sue\|they had abilities we don't]] and might force a world of human inferiority. Thus his rules tried to nerf them in several ways, depending on the race. [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] for its part imposed level-limits, although [[Companion Set]] would walk that back some. Then the [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowed for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. And then there came ''[[From The Ashes]]'', for good or for ill. So much for all that, then.		[[E. Gary Gygax]], designing a human-centered [[Robert Howard]] style of game, had problems with the whole notion of nonhuman PCs, to the extent [[Mary Sue\|they had abilities we don't]] and might force a world of human inferiority - in which world, many human players wouldn't play a human. Thus his rules tried to nerf them in several ways, depending on the race. [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] for its part imposed level-limits, although [[Companion Set]] would walk that back some. Then the [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowed for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. And then there came ''[[From The Ashes]]'', for good or for ill. So much for all that, then.

	With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this whole term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still. Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, the [[Humanity Fuck Yeah]] skiff had long floated down the Svartjet to get [[rape\|pegged]] by [[drow]].		With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this whole term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still. Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, the [[Humanity Fuck Yeah]] skiff had long floated down the Svartjet to get [[rape\|pegged]] by [[drow]].

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	'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).		'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

	~~Somewhere around here are the super~~-~~SUPER~~ [[~~Mary Sue~~]]s, ~~even over elves (if~~ the ~~setting has those). These are giant races who live among men (sort~~ of~~). These rule us~~, ~~or try~~ to ~~rule us, or used to rule us, or some combination~~ of ~~same~~. ~~In Jewish lore~~, ~~those would be~~ the ~~nephilim~~. [[~~Dragonlance~~]], ~~which started as a Latter Day Saint expy, perhaps-unsurprisingly pioneered this with~~ the [[~~Irda~~]]~~. Since then we've seen Raymond Feist's dragon lords aka Valheru, Stephen Donaldson's giants (as expied in~~ [[~~Arcana Unearthed~~]]), ~~the Deverenians in~~ [[~~Larisnar~~]], and [[~~Avadnu~~]]'s ~~Sulwynarii~~. ~~At Epic level:~~ [[~~Epic_Level_Handbook#Monsters\|LeShay~~]]. ~~Nobody human~~ much ~~wants to play a human in a nonhuman-dominated setting~~, ~~so most such settings end up quarantining their nephilim somehow~~.		[[E. Gary Gygax]], designing a human-centered [[Robert Howard]] style of game, had problems with the whole notion of nonhuman PCs, to the extent [[Mary Sue\|they had abilities we don't]] and might force a world of human inferiority. Thus his rules tried to nerf them in several ways, depending on the race. [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] for its part imposed level-limits, although [[Companion Set]] would walk that back some. Then the [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowed for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. And then there came ''[[From The Ashes]]'', for good or for ill. So much for all that, then.

	With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) ~~[[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|~~those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still.]] Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, [[~~Basic Dungeons & Dragons~~]] had [[~~Known World Gazetteers~~\|~~GAZ10~~]] ~~allowing for full-on~~ [[~~orc~~]] ~~PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. That ship had sailed~~.		With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this whole term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still. Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, the [[Humanity Fuck Yeah]] skiff had long floated down the Svartjet to get [[rape\|pegged]] by [[drow]].

	Still, the term does occasionally pop up; aside from the obvious nostalgia appeal, the plain truth of the matter is that "demihuman" is a simple shorthand way of referencing all of the "traditionally non-evil humanoid races" with a single word. And what fa/tg/uy is opposed to the idea of having a shorthand name to call something, really?		Still, the term does occasionally pop up; aside from the obvious nostalgia appeal, the plain truth of the matter is that "demihuman" is a simple shorthand way of referencing all of the "traditionally non-evil humanoid races" with a single word. And what fa/tg/uy is opposed to the idea of having a shorthand name to call something, really?

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	'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).		'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

	Somewhere around here are the super-SUPER [[Mary Sue]]s, even over elves (if the setting has those). These are giant races who live among men (sort of). These rule us, or try to rule us, or used to rule us, or some combination of same. In Jewish lore, those would be the nephilim. [[Dragonlance]], which started as a Latter Day Saint expy, perhaps-unsurprisingly pioneered this with the Irda. Since then we've seen Raymond Feist's dragon lords aka Valheru, Stephen Donaldson's giants (as expied in [[Arcana Unearthed]]), the Deverenians in [[Larisnar]], and [[Avadnu]]'s Sulwynarii. At Epic level: [[Epic_Level_Handbook#Monsters\|LeShay]]. Nobody human much wants to play a human in a nonhuman-dominated setting, so most such settings end up quarantining their nephilim somehow.		Somewhere around here are the super-SUPER [[Mary Sue]]s, even over elves (if the setting has those). These are giant races who live among men (sort of). These rule us, or try to rule us, or used to rule us, or some combination of same. In Jewish lore, those would be the nephilim. [[Dragonlance]], which started as a Latter Day Saint expy, perhaps-unsurprisingly pioneered this with the [[Irda]]. Since then we've seen Raymond Feist's dragon lords aka Valheru, Stephen Donaldson's giants (as expied in [[Arcana Unearthed]]), the Deverenians in [[Larisnar]], and [[Avadnu]]'s Sulwynarii. At Epic level: [[Epic_Level_Handbook#Monsters\|LeShay]]. Nobody human much wants to play a human in a nonhuman-dominated setting, so most such settings end up quarantining their nephilim somehow.

	With the release of 3rd edition, this term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still.]] Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] had [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowing for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. That ship had sailed.		With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still.]] Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] had [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowing for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. That ship had sailed.

	Still, the term does occasionally pop up; aside from the obvious nostalgia appeal, the plain truth of the matter is that "demihuman" is a simple shorthand way of referencing all of the "traditionally non-evil humanoid races" with a single word. And what fa/tg/uy is opposed to the idea of having a shorthand name to call something, really?		Still, the term does occasionally pop up; aside from the obvious nostalgia appeal, the plain truth of the matter is that "demihuman" is a simple shorthand way of referencing all of the "traditionally non-evil humanoid races" with a single word. And what fa/tg/uy is opposed to the idea of having a shorthand name to call something, really?

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	'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).		'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

	Somewhere around here are the super-SUPER [[Mary Sue]]s, even over elves (if the setting has those). These are giant races who live among men (sort of). These rule us, or try to rule us, or used to rule us, or some combination of same. In Jewish lore, those would be the nephilim. [[Dragonlance]], which started as a Latter Day Saint expy, perhaps-unsurprisingly pioneered this with the Irda. Since then we've seen Raymond Feist's dragon lords, Stephen Donaldson's giants (as expied in [[Arcana Unearthed]]), the Deverenians in [[Larisnar]], and [[Avadnu]]'s Sulwynarii. At Epic level: [[Epic_Level_Handbook#Monsters\|LeShay]]. Nobody human much wants to play a human in a nonhuman-dominated setting, so most such settings end up quarantining their nephilim somehow.		Somewhere around here are the super-SUPER [[Mary Sue]]s, even over elves (if the setting has those). These are giant races who live among men (sort of). These rule us, or try to rule us, or used to rule us, or some combination of same. In Jewish lore, those would be the nephilim. [[Dragonlance]], which started as a Latter Day Saint expy, perhaps-unsurprisingly pioneered this with the Irda. Since then we've seen Raymond Feist's dragon lords aka Valheru, Stephen Donaldson's giants (as expied in [[Arcana Unearthed]]), the Deverenians in [[Larisnar]], and [[Avadnu]]'s Sulwynarii. At Epic level: [[Epic_Level_Handbook#Monsters\|LeShay]]. Nobody human much wants to play a human in a nonhuman-dominated setting, so most such settings end up quarantining their nephilim somehow.

	With the release of 3rd edition, this term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still.]] Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] had [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowing for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. That ship had sailed.		With the release of 3rd edition, this term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still.]] Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] had [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowing for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. That ship had sailed.

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	'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).		'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

	Somewhere around here are giant races who live among men (sort of). These rule us, or try to rule us, or used to rule us, or some combination of same. In Jewish lore, those would be the nephilim. [[Dragonlance]], which started as a Latter Day Saint expy, perhaps-unsurprisingly pioneered this with the Irda. Since then we've seen Raymond Feist's dragon lords, Stephen Donaldson's giants (as expied in [[Arcana Unearthed]]), the Deverenians in [[Larisnar]], and [[Avadnu]]'s Sulwynarii. At Epic level: [[Epic_Level_Handbook#Monsters\|LeShay]]. Nobody human much wants to play a human in a nonhuman-dominated setting, so most such settings end up quarantining their nephilim somehow.		Somewhere around here are the super-SUPER [[Mary Sue]]s, even over elves (if the setting has those). These are giant races who live among men (sort of). These rule us, or try to rule us, or used to rule us, or some combination of same. In Jewish lore, those would be the nephilim. [[Dragonlance]], which started as a Latter Day Saint expy, perhaps-unsurprisingly pioneered this with the Irda. Since then we've seen Raymond Feist's dragon lords, Stephen Donaldson's giants (as expied in [[Arcana Unearthed]]), the Deverenians in [[Larisnar]], and [[Avadnu]]'s Sulwynarii. At Epic level: [[Epic_Level_Handbook#Monsters\|LeShay]]. Nobody human much wants to play a human in a nonhuman-dominated setting, so most such settings end up quarantining their nephilim somehow.

	With the release of 3rd edition, this term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still.]] Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] had [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowing for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. That ship had sailed.		With the release of 3rd edition, this term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still.]] Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] had [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowing for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. That ship had sailed.

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	'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).		'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

	[[E. Gary Gygax]], designing a human-centered [[Robert Howard]] style of game, had problems with the whole notion of nonhuman PCs, to the extent [[Mary Sue\|they had abilities we don't]] and might force a world of human inferiority - in which world, many human players wouldn't play a human. Thus his rules tried to nerf them in several ways, depending on the race. [[~~Basic~~ Dungeons & Dragons]] for its ~~part imposed~~ level~~-limits~~, ~~although~~ [[~~Companion Set~~]] would ~~walk~~ that ~~back some~~. Then the [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowed for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. And then there came ''[[From The Ashes]]'', for good or for ill. So much for all that, then.		[[E. Gary Gygax]], designing a human-centered [[Robert Howard]] style of game, had problems with the whole notion of nonhuman PCs, to the extent [[Mary Sue\|they had abilities we don't]] and might force a world of human inferiority - in which world, many human players wouldn't play a human. Thus his rules tried to nerf them in several ways, depending on the version of D&D you were playing. [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] used the "race-as-class" system, where playing a non-human was in effect the same as playing a specific class as a human, so your demihuman abilities were very strictly defined and often not as good as the closest human counterpart. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] flat out mandated you had to have a specific [[Ability Scores]] set to be allowed to play a demihuman (but then, they also demanded the same for classes), and likewise restricted what classes those races could have, and what level they could reach in that class - in effect, the core demihumans were restricted to the [[Fighter]], [[Wizard]], [[Rogue]] and [[Cleric]] classes, and even then would cap out well before a human would. The only benefit demihumans universally got was a much simpler form of [[multiclassing]], and even with its hassling rules, dual-classing was still better because it recognized the [[Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards]] problem.

			Yes, that's right; in AD&D, humans made better [[wizard]]s than [[elf\|elves]] or [[gnome]]s, and neither [[elf\|elves]] nor their [[Half-Elf\|half-human spawn]] could be [[bard]]s.

			But the rest of D&D's designers, for better or worse, looked at what Gygax had decreed and collectively decided "Buddy, that's bullshit". As AD&D went on, new races and demihuman subraces were introduced that had broader class compatibilities and class level caps, whilst BECMI would use the [[Known World Gazetteers]] to provide rules so that demihuman PCs could properly reach for [[Mystaran Immortal\|Immortality]] alongside their human peers. Settings would introduce variant rules that modified existing demihumans, such as [[Al-Qadim]] being the first setting to let you play a [[dwarf]] [[wizard]]. [[Kits]] were invented to let demihumans at least emulate the likes of the [[druid]], [[bard]] and [[paladin]]. Then the [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowed for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else, which opened the floodgates and led to books like the [[Complete Book Series\|Complete Books of Demihumans and Humanoids]]. And then there came ''[[From The Ashes]]'', for good or for ill. So much for all that, then.

	With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this whole term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still. Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, the [[Humanity Fuck Yeah]] skiff had long floated down the Svartjet to get [[rape\|pegged]] by [[drow]].		With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this whole term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still. Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, the [[Humanity Fuck Yeah]] skiff had long floated down the Svartjet to get [[rape\|pegged]] by [[drow]].

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	'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).		'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

	[[E. Gary Gygax]], designing a human-centered [[Robert Howard]] style of game, had problems with the whole notion of nonhuman PCs, to the extent [[Mary Sue\|they had abilities we don't]] and might force a world of human inferiority. Thus his rules tried to nerf them in several ways, depending on the race. [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] for its part imposed level-limits, although [[Companion Set]] would walk that back some. Then the [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowed for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. And then there came ''[[From The Ashes]]'', for good or for ill. So much for all that, then.		[[E. Gary Gygax]], designing a human-centered [[Robert Howard]] style of game, had problems with the whole notion of nonhuman PCs, to the extent [[Mary Sue\|they had abilities we don't]] and might force a world of human inferiority - in which world, many human players wouldn't play a human. Thus his rules tried to nerf them in several ways, depending on the race. [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] for its part imposed level-limits, although [[Companion Set]] would walk that back some. Then the [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowed for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. And then there came ''[[From The Ashes]]'', for good or for ill. So much for all that, then.

	With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this whole term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still. Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, the [[Humanity Fuck Yeah]] skiff had long floated down the Svartjet to get [[rape\|pegged]] by [[drow]].		With the release of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd edition]], this whole term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still. Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, the [[Humanity Fuck Yeah]] skiff had long floated down the Svartjet to get [[rape\|pegged]] by [[drow]].

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	'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).		'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

	Somewhere around here are the super-SUPER [[Mary Sue]]s, even over elves (if the setting has those). These are giant races who live among men (sort of). These rule us, or try to rule us, or used to rule us, or some combination of same. In Jewish lore, those would be the nephilim. [[Dragonlance]], which started as a Latter Day Saint expy, perhaps-unsurprisingly pioneered this with the Irda. Since then we've seen Raymond Feist's dragon lords, Stephen Donaldson's giants (as expied in [[Arcana Unearthed]]), the Deverenians in [[Larisnar]], and [[Avadnu]]'s Sulwynarii. At Epic level: [[Epic_Level_Handbook#Monsters\|LeShay]]. Nobody human much wants to play a human in a nonhuman-dominated setting, so most such settings end up quarantining their nephilim somehow.		Somewhere around here are the super-SUPER [[Mary Sue]]s, even over elves (if the setting has those). These are giant races who live among men (sort of). These rule us, or try to rule us, or used to rule us, or some combination of same. In Jewish lore, those would be the nephilim. [[Dragonlance]], which started as a Latter Day Saint expy, perhaps-unsurprisingly pioneered this with the Irda. Since then we've seen Raymond Feist's dragon lords aka Valheru, Stephen Donaldson's giants (as expied in [[Arcana Unearthed]]), the Deverenians in [[Larisnar]], and [[Avadnu]]'s Sulwynarii. At Epic level: [[Epic_Level_Handbook#Monsters\|LeShay]]. Nobody human much wants to play a human in a nonhuman-dominated setting, so most such settings end up quarantining their nephilim somehow.

	With the release of 3rd edition, this term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still.]] Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] had [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowing for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. That ship had sailed.		With the release of 3rd edition, this term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still.]] Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] had [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowing for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. That ship had sailed.

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	'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).		'''Demihuman''' is a term adopted into the [[/tg/]] lexicon from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] prior to 3rd edition. It referred to "those nonhuman humanoid races you can play in-game" - that is, those in such parties as [[Tolkien]] would assemble, the [[elf]], [[dwarf]], and [[halfling]]. Other races, such as [[orc]]s, [[goblinoid]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[xvart]]s, [[ogre]]s and so forth were all lumped together as basic "humanoids" which you had to fight. [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D]] also allowed the [[gnome]] (which was fine) and the [[half-orc]] (stretching the concept).

	Somewhere around here are giant races who live among men (sort of). These rule us, or try to rule us, or used to rule us, or some combination of same. In Jewish lore, those would be the nephilim. [[Dragonlance]], which started as a Latter Day Saint expy, perhaps-unsurprisingly pioneered this with the Irda. Since then we've seen Raymond Feist's dragon lords, Stephen Donaldson's giants (as expied in [[Arcana Unearthed]]), the Deverenians in [[Larisnar]], and [[Avadnu]]'s Sulwynarii. At Epic level: [[Epic_Level_Handbook#Monsters\|LeShay]]. Nobody human much wants to play a human in a nonhuman-dominated setting, so most such settings end up quarantining their nephilim somehow.		Somewhere around here are the super-SUPER [[Mary Sue]]s, even over elves (if the setting has those). These are giant races who live among men (sort of). These rule us, or try to rule us, or used to rule us, or some combination of same. In Jewish lore, those would be the nephilim. [[Dragonlance]], which started as a Latter Day Saint expy, perhaps-unsurprisingly pioneered this with the Irda. Since then we've seen Raymond Feist's dragon lords, Stephen Donaldson's giants (as expied in [[Arcana Unearthed]]), the Deverenians in [[Larisnar]], and [[Avadnu]]'s Sulwynarii. At Epic level: [[Epic_Level_Handbook#Monsters\|LeShay]]. Nobody human much wants to play a human in a nonhuman-dominated setting, so most such settings end up quarantining their nephilim somehow.

	With the release of 3rd edition, this term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still.]] Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] had [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowing for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. That ship had sailed.		With the release of 3rd edition, this term was dropped from the official D&D lexicon. Some suspect worries over its hidden assumptions; using "demihuman" to refer to playable humanoids could be taken to imply that 1) all civilized/nonevil humanoid races are related to humans, and 2) [[Humanity Fuck Yeah\|those races are somehow inferior to "real" humans, while "humanoids" are shittier still.]] Note that neither of these assumptions are at all true in most D&D settings, despite what most editions' crunch would have you believe. And anyway even before 2e, [[Basic Dungeons & Dragons]] had [[Known World Gazetteers\|GAZ10]] allowing for full-on [[orc]] PCs, and [[hobgoblin]]s and [[gnoll]]s and whatever else. That ship had sailed.