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	[[category:Game Mechanics]] [[Category:Roleplaying]]		[[category:Game Mechanics]] [[Category:Roleplaying]]
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	* ''Diana: Warrior princess'' uses additive with a target number that depends on the character's level (über characters succeed on 3+). All successes always explode, you keep re-rolling successful dice until there is none.		* ''Diana: Warrior princess'' uses additive with a target number that depends on the character's level (über characters succeed on 3+). All successes always explode, you keep re-rolling successful dice until there is none.
	* ''[[Legend of the Five Rings]]'' RPG game uses a unique variation of dice pool called "Roll & Keep". The system is fairly simple: you get a dice pool equal to one of your basic stats plus your skill level for a task, but you only get to add up a number of dice equal to your stat, and you try to hit a Target Number. For example, if you want to attack with a katana, you roll a number of dice equal to your Agility and Kenjutsu skill, but you can only count up a number of dice equal to Agility. If you roll a natural 10 on any of your kept dice, you can roll that dice again and add 10 to the total for that dice, and you actually get to keep doing it as long as you keep rolling a 10 on that dice. These "exploding" dice result in some [[Awesome\|truly incredible moments]] where [[The Guy Who Cried Grendel\|a character who normally sucks suddenly gets the luck or divine inspiration to achieve the impossible.]] (In fact, for every three 10s you get on a given roll, you regain a point of Void, which is the "luck" stat you spend for more dice to roll anyway.) To keep the number of dice rolled to a minimum, 3rd edition capped dice pools to ten, and said every two extra dice you would have rolled become kept dice instead.		* ''[[Legend of the Five Rings]]'' RPG game uses a unique variation of dice pool called "Roll & Keep". The system is fairly simple: you get a dice pool equal to one of your basic stats plus your skill level for a task, but you only get to add up a number of dice equal to your stat, and you try to hit a Target Number. For example, if you want to attack with a katana, you roll a number of dice equal to your Agility and Kenjutsu skill, but you can only count up a number of dice equal to Agility. If you roll a natural 10 on any of your kept dice, you can roll that dice again and add 10 to the total for that dice, and you actually get to keep doing it as long as you keep rolling a 10 on that dice. These "exploding" dice result in some [[Awesome\|truly incredible moments]] where [[The Guy Who Cried Grendel\|a character who normally sucks suddenly gets the luck or divine inspiration to achieve the impossible.]] (In fact, for every three 10s you get on a given roll, you regain a point of Void, which is the "luck" stat you spend for more dice to roll anyway.) To keep the number of dice rolled to a minimum, 3rd edition capped dice pools to ten, and said every two extra dice you would have rolled become kept dice instead.
	* ''[[Sentinel Comics Roleplaying Game]]'' has a very-novel approach, where all player (and major adversaries) rolls use a three-die pool, derived from three different headings on the character sheet, and then tracks the "min," "max," and "mid" dice, depending on which was lowest, highest, and in the middle, respectively. Standard tests use the mid die, but ~~player~~ special abilities often add the mid or max dice, or use them separately to apply additional effects.		* ''[[Sentinel Comics Roleplaying Game]]'' has a very-novel approach, where all player (and major adversaries) rolls use a three-die pool, derived from three different headings on the character sheet, and then tracks the "min," "max," and "mid" dice, depending on which was lowest, highest, and in the middle, respectively. Standard tests use the mid die, but special abilities often add the mid or max dice, or use them separately to apply additional effects.

	== Math ==		== Math ==

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	* being able to set one or more dice to a desired facing before or after rolling, usually to represent automatic successes granted by supernatural ability.		* being able to set one or more dice to a desired facing before or after rolling, usually to represent automatic successes granted by supernatural ability.

	A traditional pitfall of the system is extremely high variance in potential outcomes leading to a very-random play feel compared to other rolling systems. This problem is often exacerbated by the popularity of exploding dice within dice pools. This means that not only is there no "floor" under your rolls most of the time, so while the possibility of huge success goes up the chances of failure don't necessarily go down, but that it's hard to set reasonable target numbers since any possible criticism of high ones can be met with a shield of exploding dice. And, not to put too fine a point on it, many designers and GMs can't keep the d20 in their fucking pants, meaning that way-too-high target numbers or required successes are a constant issue.		A traditional pitfall of the system is extremely high variance in potential outcomes leading to a very-random play feel compared to other rolling systems. This problem is often exacerbated by the popularity of exploding dice within dice pools. This means that not only is there no "floor" under your rolls most of the time, so while the possibility of huge success goes up the chances of failure don't necessarily go down, but that it's hard to set reasonable target numbers since any possible criticism of high ones can be met with a shield of exploding dice. And, not to put too fine a point on it, many designers and GMs can't keep the [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\| d20]] in their fucking pants, meaning that way-too-high target numbers or required successes are a constant issue.

	== Examples ==		== Examples ==

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	Determining success or failure is usually done in one of three ways:		Determining success or failure is usually done in one of three ways:
	* '''Additive:''' Sum the ~~values~~ of all the dice rolled. ~~Used~~ in [[Shadowrun]], West End Games's [[Star Wars RPG\|Star Wars]] D6. White Wolf's [[Trinity]] and [[Exalted]] also use this system, where any D10 showing less than 7 counts as "0", 7-9 counts as "1" and 10 counts as "2." Some games come with special dice that have a 'success' colour on some sides with the others blank.		* '''Additive:''' Sum the number of successes achieved on all the dice rolled, with certain numbers generating successes or failures. The d6 version is used in [[Shadowrun]], West End Games's [[Star Wars RPG\|Star Wars]] D6. White Wolf's [[Trinity]] and [[Exalted]] also use this system, where any D10 showing less than 7 counts as "0", 7-9 counts as "1" and 10 counts as "2." Some games come with special dice that have a 'success' colour on some sides with the others blank.
	* '''Target Number:''' The GM sets a number for the difficulty of the circumstance; any dice rolled below that number count as "0", any dice above that count as "1". This method is used for White Wolf Games's older [[World of Darkness\|Storyteller]] system. It's often criticized because few people (game designers notwithstanding) understand when it's appropriate to modify the number of dice or to modify the difficulty number.		* '''Target Number:''' The GM sets a number for the difficulty of the circumstance; any dice rolled below that number count as "0", any dice above that count as "1". This method is used for White Wolf Games's older [[World of Darkness\|Storyteller]] system. It's often criticized because few people (game designers notwithstanding) understand when it's appropriate to modify the number of dice or to modify the difficulty number.
	* '''Highest Die:''' Only use the highest value showing on the dice rolled. In contests, compare each actor's highest die, and in case of ties compare their 2nd highest dice, then third, and so on, with absent dice as automatic losses. This system is used in Dream Pod 9's [[Heavy Gear]], Task Force Games's [[Prime Directive]], and [[Donjon]]. When two opponents are using dice of the same size, with pools of the same size, the odds are always 50/50.		* '''Highest Die:''' Only use the highest value showing on the dice rolled. In contests, compare each actor's highest die, and in case of ties compare their 2nd highest dice, then third, and so on, with absent dice as automatic losses. This system is used in Dream Pod 9's [[Heavy Gear]], Task Force Games's [[Prime Directive]], and [[Donjon]]. When two opponents are using dice of the same size, with pools of the same size, the odds are always 50/50.
	* '''Roll And Keep:''' The player rolls his dice pool, then keeps a certain number of dice; traditionally this is accomplished by making Attribute + Skill the pool, and keeping a number of dice equal to the Attribute score rolled. The numbers showing on the "kept" dice are then added up, and compared either to a static Target Number (no relation) or, in the case of a contested roll, the sum of the other party's kept dice. This system is used for both ''[[Legend of the Five Rings]]'' and ''[[7th Sea]]''.		* '''Roll And Keep:''' The player rolls his dice pool, then keeps a certain number of dice; traditionally this is accomplished by making Attribute + Skill the pool, and keeping a number of dice equal to the Attribute score rolled. The numbers showing on the "kept" dice are then added up, and compared either to a static Target Number (no relation) or, in the case of a contested roll, the sum of the other party's kept dice. This system is used for both ''[[Legend of the Five Rings]]'' and ''[[7th Sea]]'' in the [[Alderac Entertainment Group]]'s catalogue.

	[[One Roll Engine]] uses something really weird, and has it's own page.		[[One Roll Engine]] uses something really weird, and has it's own page.

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Examples

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	* ''Diana: Warrior princess'' uses additive with a target number that depends on the character's level (über characters succeed on 3+). All successes always explode, you keep re-rolling successful dice until there is none.		* ''Diana: Warrior princess'' uses additive with a target number that depends on the character's level (über characters succeed on 3+). All successes always explode, you keep re-rolling successful dice until there is none.
	* ''[[Legend of the Five Rings]]'' RPG game uses a unique variation of dice pool called "Roll & Keep". The system is fairly simple: you get a dice pool equal to one of your basic stats plus your skill level for a task, but you only get to add up a number of dice equal to your stat, and you try to hit a Target Number. For example, if you want to attack with a katana, you roll a number of dice equal to your Agility and Kenjutsu skill, but you can only count up a number of dice equal to Agility. If you roll a natural 10 on any of your kept dice, you can roll that dice again and add 10 to the total for that dice, and you actually get to keep doing it as long as you keep rolling a 10 on that dice. These "exploding" dice result in some [[Awesome\|truly incredible moments]] where [[The Guy Who Cried Grendel\|a character who normally sucks suddenly gets the luck or divine inspiration to achieve the impossible.]] (In fact, for every three 10s you get on a given roll, you regain a point of Void, which is the "luck" stat you spend for more dice to roll anyway.) To keep the number of dice rolled to a minimum, 3rd edition capped dice pools to ten, and said every two extra dice you would have rolled become kept dice instead.		* ''[[Legend of the Five Rings]]'' RPG game uses a unique variation of dice pool called "Roll & Keep". The system is fairly simple: you get a dice pool equal to one of your basic stats plus your skill level for a task, but you only get to add up a number of dice equal to your stat, and you try to hit a Target Number. For example, if you want to attack with a katana, you roll a number of dice equal to your Agility and Kenjutsu skill, but you can only count up a number of dice equal to Agility. If you roll a natural 10 on any of your kept dice, you can roll that dice again and add 10 to the total for that dice, and you actually get to keep doing it as long as you keep rolling a 10 on that dice. These "exploding" dice result in some [[Awesome\|truly incredible moments]] where [[The Guy Who Cried Grendel\|a character who normally sucks suddenly gets the luck or divine inspiration to achieve the impossible.]] (In fact, for every three 10s you get on a given roll, you regain a point of Void, which is the "luck" stat you spend for more dice to roll anyway.) To keep the number of dice rolled to a minimum, 3rd edition capped dice pools to ten, and said every two extra dice you would have rolled become kept dice instead.
			* ''[[Sentinel Comics Roleplaying Game]]'' has a very-novel approach, where all player (and major adversaries) rolls use a three-die pool, derived from three different headings on the character sheet, and then tracks the "min," "max," and "mid" dice, depending on which was lowest, highest, and in the middle, respectively. Standard tests use the mid die, but player special abilities often add the mid or max dice, or use them separately to apply additional effects.

	== Math ==		== Math ==

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	Determining success or failure is usually done in one of three ways:		Determining success or failure is usually done in one of three ways:
	* '''Additive:''' Sum the values of all the dice rolled. Used in [[Shadowrun]], West End Games's [[Star Wars RPG\|Star Wars]] D6. White Wolf's [[Trinity]] and [[Exalted]] also use this system, where any ~~die~~ showing less than 7 counts as "0", 7-9 counts as "1" and 10 counts as "2." Some games come with special dice that have a 'success' colour on some sides with the others blank.		* '''Additive:''' Sum the values of all the dice rolled. Used in [[Shadowrun]], West End Games's [[Star Wars RPG\|Star Wars]] D6. White Wolf's [[Trinity]] and [[Exalted]] also use this system, where any D10 showing less than 7 counts as "0", 7-9 counts as "1" and 10 counts as "2." Some games come with special dice that have a 'success' colour on some sides with the others blank.
	* '''Target Number:''' The GM sets a number for the difficulty of the circumstance; any dice rolled below that number count as "0", any dice above that count as "1". This method is used for White Wolf Games's older [[World of Darkness\|Storyteller]] system. It's often criticized because few people (game designers notwithstanding) understand when it's appropriate to modify the number of dice or to modify the difficulty number.		* '''Target Number:''' The GM sets a number for the difficulty of the circumstance; any dice rolled below that number count as "0", any dice above that count as "1". This method is used for White Wolf Games's older [[World of Darkness\|Storyteller]] system. It's often criticized because few people (game designers notwithstanding) understand when it's appropriate to modify the number of dice or to modify the difficulty number.
	* '''Highest Die:''' Only use the highest value showing on the dice rolled. In contests, compare each actor's highest die, and in case of ties compare their 2nd highest dice, then third, and so on, with absent dice as automatic losses. This system is used in Dream Pod 9's [[Heavy Gear]], Task Force Games's [[Prime Directive]], and [[Donjon]]. When two opponents are using dice of the same size, with pools of the same size, the odds are always 50/50.		* '''Highest Die:''' Only use the highest value showing on the dice rolled. In contests, compare each actor's highest die, and in case of ties compare their 2nd highest dice, then third, and so on, with absent dice as automatic losses. This system is used in Dream Pod 9's [[Heavy Gear]], Task Force Games's [[Prime Directive]], and [[Donjon]]. When two opponents are using dice of the same size, with pools of the same size, the odds are always 50/50.

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	* being able to set one or more dice to a desired facing before or after rolling, usually to represent automatic successes granted by supernatural ability.		* being able to set one or more dice to a desired facing before or after rolling, usually to represent automatic successes granted by supernatural ability.

	A traditional pitfall of the system is extremely high variance in potential outcomes leading to a very-random play feel compared to other rolling systems. This problem is often exacerbated by the popularity of exploding dice within dice pools.		A traditional pitfall of the system is extremely high variance in potential outcomes leading to a very-random play feel compared to other rolling systems. This problem is often exacerbated by the popularity of exploding dice within dice pools. This means that not only is there no "floor" under your rolls most of the time, so while the possibility of huge success goes up the chances of failure don't necessarily go down, but that it's hard to set reasonable target numbers since any possible criticism of high ones can be met with a shield of exploding dice. And, not to put too fine a point on it, many designers and GMs can't keep the d20 in their fucking pants, meaning that way-too-high target numbers or required successes are a constant issue.

	== Examples ==		== Examples ==