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	Though diplomancers are well-equipped for non-violent solutions, that does '''not''' mean they can't be evil freaking assholes in their own right, [[Sociopathic diplomancer gets shut the fuck down \|as this story proves]].		Though diplomancers are well-equipped for non-violent solutions, that does '''not''' mean they can't be evil freaking assholes in their own right, [[Sociopathic diplomancer gets shut the fuck down \|as this story proves]].

			Since the highest D&D level of NPC Attitudes are Helpful (Will take risks to help you) and Fanatic (Will give life to serve you), optimized Diplomancer can effectively turn enemies into allies under his control. In turn, this allows to get [[Experience]] under some win condition variants. NPC's level doesn't matter; recruiting Epic monster or ''Deity'' is as easy as recruiting commoner. Optimized Diplomancer can get Diplomacy checks so high as to be impossible to fail.

	=== Diplomancers in other systems ===		=== Diplomancers in other systems ===

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	'''''ADEPT''': No problem. I seduce them too.''		'''''ADEPT''': No problem. I seduce them too.''

	~~=== Recruiting powerful NPC's ===~~
	~~# Be a Diplomancer~~
	~~# Get means to locate and contact incredibly powerful NPC, preferably from range, preferably remotely~~
	~~# Win at Diplomacy Check, therefore turning said powerful NPC into allied character fanatically loyal to you~~
	# Remind the GM, that getting [[Experience]] doesn't require killing; your act counts as "Forcibly turning enemy into ally under your control" and "Incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm you" - both are possible win conditions, so you get EXP as if you defeated that NPC
	~~# ...~~
	~~# PROFIT! Now you have powerful ally ''and'' mountain of EXP!~~

	Difficulty of Diplomacy checks doesn't scale up with levels of NPC; negotiating with Gods and epic-level monsters is as easy, as negotiating with commoners. You just need to have common language with NPC, and have means of communicating (normal dialogue, telepathy, walkie-talkie, megaphone, mail, e-mail, hologram, being near object of god's portfolio, etc); 1) many NPC's share language with you (and even if they don't know Common, there are workarounds), and 2) it's rather easy to communicate even from range.

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Sdhjk at 21:06, 23 July 2025

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	'''''ADEPT''': No problem. I seduce them too.''		'''''ADEPT''': No problem. I seduce them too.''

			=== Recruiting powerful NPC's ===
			# Be a Diplomancer
			# Get means to locate and contact incredibly powerful NPC, preferably from range, preferably remotely
			# Win at Diplomacy Check, therefore turning said powerful NPC into allied character fanatically loyal to you
			# Remind the GM, that getting [[Experience]] doesn't require killing; your act counts as "Forcibly turning enemy into ally under your control" and "Incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm you" - both are possible win conditions, so you get EXP as if you defeated that NPC
			# ...
			# PROFIT! Now you have powerful ally ''and'' mountain of EXP!

			Difficulty of Diplomacy checks doesn't scale up with levels of NPC; negotiating with Gods and epic-level monsters is as easy, as negotiating with commoners. You just need to have common language with NPC, and have means of communicating (normal dialogue, telepathy, walkie-talkie, megaphone, mail, e-mail, hologram, being near object of god's portfolio, etc); 1) many NPC's share language with you (and even if they don't know Common, there are workarounds), and 2) it's rather easy to communicate even from range.

	''[[Category: Dungeons & Dragons]]''		''[[Category: Dungeons & Dragons]]''

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Diplomancers in other systems

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	=== Diplomancers in other systems ===		=== Diplomancers in other systems ===
	The equivalent of a diplomancer in [[Shadowrun]] is called a '''pornomancer''', invariably an Adept with a high Charisma score, the Improved Attribute (Charisma) adept power, high ranks in either the Influence/Con skill group or one of its specialties and possibly some bioware or spells to boost Charisma rolls further. This isn't as annoying as it sounds, since it all comes at the expense of combat power and the nature of Shadowrun means the GM has a lot of leeway to hard counter your shenanigans.		The equivalent of a diplomancer in [[Shadowrun]] is called a '''pornomancer''', invariably an Adept with a high Charisma score, the Improved Attribute (Charisma) adept power, high ranks in either the Influence/Con skill group or one of its specialties and possibly some bioware or spells to boost Charisma rolls further. This isn't as annoying as it sounds, since it all comes at the expense of combat power, social skill roles very much ''aren't'' mind control (unless you're using Control Thoughts, of course) and the nature of Shadowrun means the GM has a lot more leeway to hard counter your shenanigans.

	The name comes from [http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=11911&st=25&start=25 a minmaxing thread on the Dumpshock forums] where the user Glyph posted a build which - with all of its situational bonuses stacked together - could throw a whopping 33 dice at any given Seduction check. (With later supplements you can go even higher by abusing SURGE qualities, and this is all ''before'' you apply Edge to get [[Exploding die\|the Rule of 6]].) This was immortalized in the following exchange:		The name comes from [http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=11911&st=25&start=25 a minmaxing thread on the Dumpshock forums] where the user Glyph posted a build which - with all of its situational bonuses stacked together - could throw a whopping 33 dice at any given Seduction check. (With later supplements you can go even higher by abusing SURGE qualities, and this is all ''before'' you apply Edge to get [[Exploding die\|the Rule of 6]].) This was immortalized in the following exchange:

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 The name comes from [http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=11911&st=25&start=25 a minmaxing thread on the Dumpshock forums] where the user Glyph posted a build which - with all of its situational bonuses stacked together - could throw a whopping 33 dice at any given Seduction check. (With later supplements you can go even higher by abusing SURGE qualities, and this is all ''before'' you apply Edge to get [[Exploding die|the Rule of 6]].) This was immortalized in the following exchange:
-''GM: Three guards at the door. They want to see your SIN.ADEPT: Are they women?GM: No.ADEPT: Are they gay?GM: No.ADEPT:
+'''''GM''': Three guards at the door. They want to see your SIN.''
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+'''''ADEPT''': Are they women?''

Pachinko Man: Shadowrun info

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Shadowrun info

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	Though diplomancers are well-equipped for non-violent solutions, that does '''not''' mean they can't be evil freaking assholes in their own right, [[Sociopathic diplomancer gets shut the fuck down \|as this story proves]].		Though diplomancers are well-equipped for non-violent solutions, that does '''not''' mean they can't be evil freaking assholes in their own right, [[Sociopathic diplomancer gets shut the fuck down \|as this story proves]].

			=== Diplomancers in other systems ===
			The equivalent of a diplomancer in [[Shadowrun]] is called a '''pornomancer''', invariably an Adept with a high Charisma score, the Improved Attribute (Charisma) adept power, high ranks in either the Influence/Con skill group or one of its specialties and possibly some bioware or spells to boost Charisma rolls further. This isn't as annoying as it sounds, since it all comes at the expense of combat power and the nature of Shadowrun means the GM has a lot of leeway to hard counter your shenanigans.

			The name comes from [http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=11911&st=25&start=25 a minmaxing thread on the Dumpshock forums] where the user Glyph posted a build which - with all of its situational bonuses stacked together - could throw a whopping 33 dice at any given Seduction check. (With later supplements you can go even higher by abusing SURGE qualities, and this is all ''before'' you apply Edge to get [[Exploding die\|the Rule of 6]].) This was immortalized in the following exchange:

			''GM: Three guards at the door. They want to see your SIN.ADEPT: Are they women?GM: No.ADEPT: Are they gay?GM: No.ADEPT:
			I'm going to seduce them anyway. rolls 28 successes They're gay for
			me now! I release my godlike tower of man-meat, and it is pleased.GM: Stop! Stop!ADEPT: I say to the guards: "Behold my enormous SIN!"GM:
			Every police station in town saw your SIN. Lone Star surrounds you.
			They're about to arrest you for violating every public nudity law ever
			made.ADEPT: No problem. I seduce them too.''

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	[[Image:Diplomancer.jpg\|right\|thumb\|With enough ranks in Bluff, one does not need combat skills.]]		[[Image:Diplomancer.jpg\|right\|thumb\|With enough ranks in Bluff, one does not need combat skills.]]
	A rare D&D archetype character, the Diplomancer is a character - usually a Bard, but sometimes a Cleric, Multiclassed Rogue, Binder, or (rarely) Wizard or Sorcerer that focuses heavily on diplomatic abilities. The idea is that by having a high enough Charisma score, shittons of ranks in Bluff, Diplomacy, Gather Information, and Sense Motive, and if all else fails, a few spells to nudge things along, you have a character that can very effectively find non-violent ends to encounters, often with hilarious results.		A rare D&D archetype character, the '''Diplomancer''' is a character - usually a Bard, but sometimes a Cleric, Multiclassed Rogue, Binder, or (rarely) Wizard or Sorcerer that focuses heavily on diplomatic abilities. The idea is that by having a high enough Charisma score, shittons of ranks in Bluff, Diplomacy, Gather Information, and Sense Motive, and if all else fails, a few spells to nudge things along, you have a character that can very effectively find non-violent ends to encounters, often with hilarious results.

	A truly optimized diplomancer can make any intelligent creature his ally in seconds. One infamous variant of this idea is the "Jumplomancer", which impresses NPCs into fanatical loyalty with his ability to jump 94 feet in the air.		A truly optimized diplomancer can make any intelligent creature his ally in seconds. One infamous variant of this idea is the "Jumplomancer", which impresses NPCs into fanatical loyalty with his ability to jump 94 feet in the air.

1d4chan>Emerald Claw: not sure how common binder is, but pretty sure there is a solid diplomonster build

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not sure how common binder is, but pretty sure there is a solid diplomonster build

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	[[Image:Diplomancer.jpg\|right\|thumb\|With enough ranks in Bluff, one does not need combat skills.]]		[[Image:Diplomancer.jpg\|right\|thumb\|With enough ranks in Bluff, one does not need combat skills.]]
	A rare D&D archetype character, the Diplomancer is a character - usually a Bard, but sometimes a Cleric, Multiclassed Rogue, or (rarely) Wizard or Sorcerer that focuses heavily on diplomatic abilities. The idea is that by having a high enough Charisma score, shittons of ranks in Bluff, Diplomacy, Gather Information, and Sense Motive, and if all else fails, a few spells to nudge things along, you have a character that can very effectively find non-violent ends to encounters, often with hilarious results.		A rare D&D archetype character, the Diplomancer is a character - usually a Bard, but sometimes a Cleric, Multiclassed Rogue, Binder, or (rarely) Wizard or Sorcerer that focuses heavily on diplomatic abilities. The idea is that by having a high enough Charisma score, shittons of ranks in Bluff, Diplomacy, Gather Information, and Sense Motive, and if all else fails, a few spells to nudge things along, you have a character that can very effectively find non-violent ends to encounters, often with hilarious results.

	A truly optimized diplomancer can make any intelligent creature his ally in seconds. One infamous variant of this idea is the "Jumplomancer", which impresses NPCs into fanatical loyalty with his ability to jump 94 feet in the air.		A truly optimized diplomancer can make any intelligent creature his ally in seconds. One infamous variant of this idea is the "Jumplomancer", which impresses NPCs into fanatical loyalty with his ability to jump 94 feet in the air.